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Saints67

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From Twitter........50 mins: Sochaux take the lead, left winger beats Butterfield for pace, pulls it back for the striker to fire it in. Oh oh the doom & gloom merchants will be on to that one!

Saints67

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Not having a great pre-season fixtures wise, huh.
I think you're saying this tongue in cheek but to be honest we are playing the two toughest teams in our pre-season fixture list first. Think we'll 'do' the others (including Reading).
Saint_clark

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I think you're saying this tongue in cheek but to be honest we are playing the two toughest teams in our pre-season fixture list first. Think we'll 'do' the others (including Reading).

 

Not tongue in cheek tbh. I'm really not bothered about the results, I don't think it makes a difference, but there's no point in trying to make out that we're doing well in these games.

John B

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Not tongue in cheek tbh. I'm really not bothered about the results, I don't think it makes a difference, but there's no point in trying to make out that we're doing well in these games.

 

Well we are doing well away from home against better teams

shurlock

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Sounds like an amateur goal- long ball/cross swung in from the left and a header in and around the penalty spot. where did the marking go...

saints_is_the_south

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16th in a League of 20 is not top half. ;)

 

Even so, not a bad effort against a decent outfit who have qualified for the UEFA Cup in recent years. Also won the French cup only 3 years ago.

 

As somebody else mentioned having testing games against good opposition is a far better way of obtaining match fitness than playing and beating amateur swedish teams 8-0.

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Window Cleaner

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Rather we are having stern test's than thrashing teams 6-0 getting complacent!

 

Although I did think we might do a little better against Sochaux, still it's only pre-season.FCSM haven't had a smooth ride either, they lost 5-0 against FC Bale and lost again against non-league Evian as well.They really aren't very good and losing 2-0 today...... wel I'll just put it down as warm up game.

Window Cleaner

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16th in a League of 20 is not top half. ;)

 

Agreed, Sochaux are poor, thought we'd be better myself.Anything below 8th or 9th in Ligue 1 doesn't compare to most CCC sides, they're dirt poor and play in front of less than 10000. I doubt that Sochaux's average home gate is much above 12000, it's a Peugeot town and since they've laid off over half their workers in the last 10 years no-one bothers much will football there.

kpturner

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Two crap results against teams nobody has heard of (well most people anyway). Bit of a laugh trying to paint FC Thun And Sochaux as decent outfits IMHO......puts our current third tier status into perspective I think. Here's is to a brighter future ;-)

ericofarabia

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Two crap results against teams nobody has heard of (well most people anyway). Bit of a laugh trying to paint FC Thun And Sochaux as decent outfits IMHO......puts our current third tier status into perspective I think. Here's is to a brighter future ;-)

 

To be honest at the same build up stage in the previous seasons we have struggled against the likes of Eastleigh and Farnborough.

 

It isn't a result orientated period of the build up, more getting rid of cobwebs and experimenting different formations etc. And to do it against established teams rather than non league pub teams is more testing than being runaway at a stroll :uhoh: winners over lower standard teams proves zilch.

 

But just in case ... NC out.... AP out . :p

Clifford Nelson

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For all those who think that losing friendlies doesn't matter, can I remind you that this is the attitude of excuses that we were served up by previous regimes. The result matters for a very specific reason, that it contributes to the winning feeling. Winning games is the best habit you can have, because it does wonders to your expectations and the team morale. Losing games does the opposite. I thought that the teams we have signed friendlies against are too good for the exercise, which should be to hone our own game and gather match fitness, and not struggling to contain superior opposition. That teaches you very little apart from how to lose your confidence.

 

For the same reason it is worrying to me that the U-21 elite squad isn't up to beating Havant & Waterlooville or Basingstoke. So far the club has managed 4 losses and to beat Winchester. I'm sure they are feeling on top of the world, and that none of the results matter....

Nexstar

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For all those who think that losing friendlies doesn't matter, can I remind you that this is the attitude of excuses that we were served up by previous regimes. The result matters for a very specific reason, that it contributes to the winning feeling. Winning games is the best habit you can have, because it does wonders to your expectations and the team morale. Losing games does the opposite. I thought that the teams we have signed friendlies against are too good for the exercise, which should be to hone our own game and gather match fitness, and not struggling to contain superior opposition. That teaches you very little apart from how to lose your confidence.

 

For the same reason it is worrying to me that the U-21 elite squad isn't up to beating Havant & Waterlooville or Basingstoke. So far the club has managed 4 losses and to beat Winchester. I'm sure they are feeling on top of the world, and that none of the results matter....

 

I wouldn't get too worried just yet, Leyton Orient thrashed a full-strength Newcastle team 6-1 just 2 weeks before the start of this last season and the latter went on to be champions.

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Mind you, we often seem to have had good results in pre-season, but disappoint once the league games begin. I'm hopeful that this awful pre-season is going to pan out in exactly the opposite way.

Katalinic

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This debate comes up every pre-season and every season it is the same...pre-season results have absolutely no bearing on league results for any team. The end of the world is not nigh based a few meaningless friendlies.

John B

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This debate comes up every pre-season and every season it is the same...pre-season results have absolutely no bearing on league results for any team. The end of the world is not nigh based a few meaningless friendlies.

 

The last two seasons we have been poor in Pre Season and gone on to be poor in the League

 

If we had been playing well in the recent games you may have a different view

 

So I think it does matter but we will see how we perform in the rest of the Preseason

Katalinic

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The last two seasons were exceptional circumstances with the Lowe experiment followed by having no players last season. I am talking about a traditional pre-season having no bearing - someone earlier pointed out that last year Leyton orient beat Newcastle 6-1.

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Causer

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I remember a couple of years ago seeing us play well in a draw against West Ham and being convinced we were set for a good season. David Mcgoldrick had scored twice and had looked like a top striker. A year later we were relegated bottom of the Championship and Mcgoaldrought had she was definitely not a top striker. Pre Season is for building fitness and does not show how good or how bad a side is.

Clifford Nelson

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An amazing amount of comments suggesting that pre-season doesn't matter. AP arrived to Saints discovering instantly that this was a club used to losing, and with an attitude full of excuses. He spelled out repeatedly thoughout the season that he was building that "winning attitude". This isn't just something you do for 'fun', but because it builds confidence in every player both individually and collectively.

 

To lose football games hasn't got any positive aspects to it, and I don't think that these two games were arranged with a plan that we were to lose them, regardless how the spin is applied afterwards. The truth is more that we aren't as good as we thought we were, and that teams like that will beat us. We will be better in September, but so will they! And if we now go and tumble against Sutton United or Reading (which is far from unlikely), that won't improve the confidence either.

 

Whether we also will start the season poorly is impossible to say, but what is clear is that a rake of losses won't help us to do well. About that we should all be able to agree.

Andyb1

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It's not a rake it's 2. I find the amount of worry and crap being spouted about lsing to two teams in much higher leagues than us pretty amazing.

 

An amazing amount of comments suggesting that pre-season doesn't matter. AP arrived to Saints discovering instantly that this was a club used to losing, and with an attitude full of excuses. He spelled out repeatedly thoughout the season that he was building that "winning attitude". This isn't just something you do for 'fun', but because it builds confidence in every player both individually and collectively.

 

To lose football games hasn't got any positive aspects to it, and I don't think that these two games were arranged with a plan that we were to lose them, regardless how the spin is applied afterwards. The truth is more that we aren't as good as we thought we were, and that teams like that will beat us. We will be better in September, but so will they! And if we now go and tumble against Sutton United or Reading (which is far from unlikely), that won't improve the confidence either.

 

Whether we also will start the season poorly is impossible to say, but what is clear is that a rake of losses won't help us to do well. About that we should all be able to agree.

Clifford Nelson

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I don't think you understand the argument, Andy, it is about how you build confidence to create the winning habit/feeling/attitude or whatever you want to call it. I'm not terribly worried at all, but just find it curious how you design pre-season friendlies seemingly without taking the very thing AP concerned himself with last season into consideration.

 

I think all these things matter one way or the other, and you don't seem to think they do. Maybe you are the lucky one.

Andyb1

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I think if we go through preseason without winning a game then you might have some issues. However, i think AP was probably more concerned with the fact we didn’t really have a preseason last time round. I'm not sure what you think the alternative solution is? It's obviously not to fill the schedule full off meaningless games against poor opposition. Perhaps we're not quite French premier division standard and perhaps AP thought we were but I’d rather being trying it and losing whilst having a worthwhile run out.

 

Losing is never good, however what effect losing a couple of preseason friendlies has is open for debate and in my opinion, minimal.

 

 

I don't think you understand the argument, Andy, it is about how you build confidence to create the winning habit/feeling/attitude or whatever you want to call it. I'm not terribly worried at all, but just find it curious how you design pre-season friendlies seemingly without taking the very thing AP concerned himself with last season into consideration.

 

I think all these things matter one way or the other, and you don't seem to think they do. Maybe you are the lucky one.

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I can't believe we lost this game, I was Sochaux we were going to win.

 

 

 

I love old jokes!

 

 

Ok, it was good.

suewhistle

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To lose football games hasn't got any positive aspects to it, and I don't think that these two games were arranged with a plan that we were to lose them, regardless how the spin is applied afterwards.

 

I suppose it's possible that these friendlies weren't originally in AP's plans and hence their late announcement: both teams in higher leagues and at a later stage of their preparations. It's a balance between difficulty and the opportunity to try out different formations and players. Getting a winning habit is one thing but there must be a place for the experimentation: how to do that is the issue.

Window Cleaner

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I suppose it's possible that these friendlies weren't originally in AP's plans and hence their late announcement: both teams in higher leagues and at a later stage of their preparations. It's a balance between difficulty and the opportunity to try out different formations and players. Getting a winning habit is one thing but there must be a place for the experimentation: how to do that is the issue.

 

I guess if we'd really wanted to win for some reason or other then we would have put our Ist XI (minus Lallana) on the pitch for at least the first hour.

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Window Cleaner

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Interestingly Sochaux are at the moment fifth in the top French division and are top scorers.

 

but StE are top so Ligue is completely crazy,seems that the habitual "top sides" have completely screwed up on their pre-season work, why I think Lyon have even changed the preparateur physique because they had an infirmary full of players all with roughly the same injury.

eelpie

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Interesting that this old thread has been revived with associated reminders of our poor form this pre-season, as the old topic of lack of fitness has been haunting us again.

 

I have been wondering if it could be possible that the reason that last season we were fitter than this is that last year's 'lost pre-season' was run by Wotte.

 

Could it be that Wotte succeeded in better fitness training in the important first weeks of last year than AP did this year?

Could it also be true that the players that AP brought in from other clubs last year (even over-weight Lambert) had better fitness preparation form their previous clubs than our own players this year? Wotte's team may have been demoralised losers, but were they fitter?

 

This year's evidence could suggest so. But why? That is the question we need to ask?

 

(This should really be on it's own thread, but I cannot start one))

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