Saints sign Butterfield

[Chez]

Pardew has already said we will sign someone to challenge Hammond for a place.

Did he really? That's bloody great. Pardew is going to get us promoted.

[Chez]

Interesting the Ox-C was about only player to play 90 mins in first friendly? Have they found winger in house?

 

He played the full game because there was no one else. Out of interest did he play out wide, because he played down the middle when he came onn as a sub last season.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

That's the whole point you see - I prefer to form judgments on what I see in front of me at St Marys , not on what other fans opinions may be .

 

I've seen many players come to this club with good or great reputations - a fair percentage never manage to live up to them in all honesty .

 

Wait and see .

 

[Chez]

 

to be fair that was his best ever game in a Pal arse shirt and he won't be playing up front for us. I'm with CEC on this. I like to see players before I pass judgement on them. I do wonder why Palace didn't resign him once their finances were sorted. If we only offered a one year deal it wasn't a case of them not offering a long enough contract. It strikes me they just didn't want him. I'm slightly dissapointed we have not signed a `flying' fullback like we have on the other side, but perhaps thats exactly the reason we didn't - to give us a little balance. Too many attackers leaves you short. I wonder who will get the shirt. Some great competition being created. A must if we are to win the league.

 

Oh by the way, the wrong side if 30 means in your 30s. Doesn't mean you are passed it though.

Edited 17 July, 2010 by Chez

[NickG]

like Richardson?

[Leicestersaint]

You starin' at my rhododendrons?

 

Let alone my hydrangeas!

[The Kraken]

to be fair that was his best ever game in a Pal arse shirt and he won't be playing up front for us. I'm with CEC on this. I like to see players before I pass judgement on them. I do wonder why Palace didn't resign him once their finances were sorted. If we only offered a one year deal it wasn't a case of them not offering a long enough contract. It strikes me they just didn't want him. I'm slightly dissapointed we have not signed a `flying' fullback like we have on the other side, but perhaps thats exactly the reason we didn't - to give us a little balance. Too many attackers leaves you short. I wonder who will get the shirt. Some great competition being created. A must if we are to win the league.

 

Oh by the way, the wrong side if 30 means in your 30s. Doesn't mean you are passed it though.

 

While Palace are out of administration they are still financially crippled. They can't afford to replace even a fraction of the number of the staff that were laid off whilst in admin, and supposedly have no funds for new players. I imagine the financial package they could afford to offer Butterworth was well below what he was on, and below what we are paying.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

to be fair that was his best ever game in a Pal arse shirt and he won't be playing up front for us. I'm with CEC on this. I like to see players before I pass judgement on them. I do wonder why Palace didn't resign him once their finances were sorted. If we only offered a one year deal it wasn't a case of them not offering a long enough contract. It strikes me they just didn't want him. I'm slightly dissapointed we have not signed a `flying' fullback like we have on the other side, but perhaps thats exactly the reason we didn't - to give us a little balance. Too many attackers leaves you short. I wonder who will get the shirt. Some great competition being created. A must if we are to win the league.

 

Oh by the way, the wrong side if 30 means in your 30s. Doesn't mean you are passed it though.

 

I agree with you and CEC, it is wise to see the goods perform before congratulating ourselves, however his higher league pedigree suggests we have reasons to be optimistic. As for "Palace's finances are sorted" I think you will find there is still little money there with the consortium taking over having just enough to get the club out of administration. I am loking forward to seeing how Burley gets on with no money. Would still like to see another midfielder signed and a back up for Lambert. Bart going walkabout is another concern.

[Matthew Le God]

Bart going walkabout is another concern.

 

He is in the starting eleven for Saints vs Basingstoke today so hasn't gone on walkabout too far.

[NickG]

Basingstoke is a strange place to end up tbf

[saintwarwick]

Basingstoke is a strange place to end up tbf

 

Basingstoke is a strange place tbf

[dannysfc]

I think this is an excellent signing and I would also like to extend my warm welcome to Danny Butterfield in welcoming him to Saints and that fingers crossed he will play some part in helping us get promoted or in the play offs at least this coming season !

COYR!!

[paulwantsapint]

How many subs are we allowed on the bench this season 5 or 7?

 

Butterfield sounds like the ideal man to sit on bench as it sounds like he can play anywhere

 

At 5ft9 sounds like Chris Perry sort of cb

[Matthew Le God]

How many subs are we allowed on the bench this season 5 or 7?

 

Exactly the same number as you were allowed last season in League One...7

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Until CEC watches him and passes comment on this board I have no opinion as only when CEC actually sees him will we know if he is a good player or not.

 

You can form any opinion you like shipmate , based on real knowledge of the player in question or the utterly uniformed (and often over-optimistic) speculation that this type of player signing thread habitually generates .

 

All I'm saying is that experience has taught me that it's better to wait and see new players perform for this club before pronouncing judgment on them . This is a simple enough concept I would have thought but obviously it's a tad too complex a notion for the forum's regular dullards to comprehend . I remain quite confident however that there are still enough thinking fans on here to make the point worth making .

 

As for those claiming that players who's 30th birthday celebrations are rapidly disappearing events in their rear view mirrors can still be in their 'prime' somehow .... well , I can only state that I favour Arsene Wenger's take on that subject over the esteemed opinions of little Nick and his ilk .

[VectisSaint]

I'm not meaning to read anything into this, merely an observation, but this transfer is not mentioned anywhere as far as I can see, other than on the OS, not on the Beeb, Sky or other places I've looked. I know for sure some people will now post links proving me wrong, but given some of the low league transfer news that is online or on the box, just seems a bit odd to me.

[buctootim]

I'm not meaning to read anything into this, merely an observation, but this transfer is not mentioned anywhere as far as I can see, other than on the OS, not on the Beeb, Sky or other places I've looked. I know for sure some people will now post links proving me wrong, but given some of the low league transfer news that is online or on the box, just seems a bit odd to me.

http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11719_6267453,00.html

[VectisSaint]

For defenders, 30 can be very much prime year(s), thats why Wenger played Campbell at the back towards end of last season at age 36, Silvestre 33, Gallas 33, even Sagna is 27. Exception would be Vermaelen at 25. Different to a large extent for MF, especially wide players, but for defenders 30 is not too old.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

For defenders, 30 can be very much prime year(s), thats why Wenger played Campbell at the back towards end of last season at age 36, Silvestre 33, Gallas 33, even Sagna is 27. Exception would be Vermaelen at 25. Different to a large extent for MF, especially wide players, but for defenders 30 is not too old.

 

I haven't said he's too old - only that he must be past his prime . I'm interested to hear why you think defenders need to be less athletic and injury free than any midfielder or forward ?

 

You can certainly have relatively slow centre halfs (such as Chris Perry or Claus Lundekvam for instance) that can still play because years of experience allows them to anticipate a dangerous situation before it becomes critical - but the more I see of the game the more convinced I become that sheer pace and athletic ability are priceless assets for any footballer in the modern game .

 

Danny Butterfield may be as quick as a racing pigeon for all I know , but I'm prepared to bet he was a sight quicker when he was 22 compared to how he is now ...... weren't we all .

[Sidney Fudpucker the 3rd]

I know why we got Butterfield on a free. He's massively over weight.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjnuBTPOaKY

[NickG]

For defenders, 30 can be very much prime year(s), thats why Wenger played Campbell at the back towards end of last season at age 36, Silvestre 33, Gallas 33, even Sagna is 27. Exception would be Vermaelen at 25. Different to a large extent for MF, especially wide players, but for defenders 30 is not too old.

 

lol - maybe Arsene has different view!

[derry]

We needed a right back as soon as Richardson was known to be out for three months after the operation on his shoulder.

[Arizona]

Not sure you can have any age complaints regarding Butters. He is only 30 and it's only a one year deal. When you consider these last 2 summers we've been offering contracts to the 35 year old Perry, Jaidi and Murty, he's a spring chicken.

[Saint Fan CaM]

I think this is a good signing whether Richardson was injured or not TBF...loads of experience, although perhaps his pace is a bit flat now - we'll see. I think it would have been wrong not to have had proper competition at the RB slot. Well done AP.

[Saint_clark]

It's a shame that, given the injury to Richardson, it now looks as if Butterfield was only ever going to stay for the one season...

[david in sweden]

suddenly from being a team with older, experienced players at the back ..it's become a lot younger and methinks that KD would like a bit more experience in front of him. Aside from Jaidi..Butterworth is the secong oldest defender....at 30.

 

Ted Bates old quote was always..." the right blend of youth and experience " ..well we've got a lot of the youth, but need an older head or two also.

[Bailey]

Good signing at this level. Palace fans clearly rated him and he should provide us with some much needed experience too.

 

Obviously the injury sustained by Richardson forced Pardew's hand a bit, but it's good to have two players for every position in the side.

 

Last season we had James and Otsemobor at right-back, now we have Richardson and Butterfield. A good improvement.

 

Lets just hope that FR can make a speedy recovery from injury now!

[NickG]

am I the only one who thinks he's got better pedigree than Richardson?

 

Wouldn't be sure who was seen as No1

[The Kraken]

am I the only one who thinks he's got better pedigree than Richardson?

 

Wouldn't be sure who was seen as No1

 

I don't know enough about Richardson to say either way, but its certainly very good to see (when Richardson comes back from injury) that we have fantastic competition for places at both full bck positions. Either Harding or Dickson, and Richardson or Butterfield, gives us some really good options. Add in Mills to cover at left back and Martin at right back and I think we're looking very good.

 

I'd just like to see a new CM and winger to give us the same options there; at the moment without a strong CM we have only Morgan and Hammond who would be considered first choice, and Puncheon and Lallana on the wings. Oxlade-Chamberlayne may well come through but he's still very young so can't be relied upon for a full season; and Mills is more a full back than a winger. Jury will be out on Holmes and whether he can cut it, but I'd hope he's at least good enough as backup for Lallana. So at least 2 players short of what I'd consider a full squad. But I have every faith that AP will get what he needs, ideally before the start of the season but if not by the end of the transfer window.

[hamster]

 

Chilworth Arms barman lookalike. FACT.

If he's as good a footballer as the barman is a barman, we shall be fine.

[St Landrew]

Suddenly realised who this picture of Butterfield reminded me of

 

Bluebottle

 

 

Butterfield

 

It's uncanny..!

[Cricketphilly]

Suddenly realised who this picture of Butterfield reminded me of

 

Bluebottle

 

 

 

Butterfield

 

It's uncanny..!

 

Ye Gods, you've just aged yourself!!

[Chez]

I Danny Butterfield may be as quick as a racing pigeon for all I know , but I'm prepared to bet he was a sight quicker when he was 22 compared to how he is now ...... weren't we all .

 

I've seen several mentions of him lacking pace from people that have watched him in Switzerland and at Farnborough. Slightly worrying.

[oxfordshire_saint]

I've seen several mentions of him lacking pace from people that have watched him in Switzerland and at Farnborough. Slightly worrying.

 

To be fair, at Fboro he was marking a pretty quick player, who was being supported by an equally speedy left back who wasn't being tracked by our right winger.

 

A lot of people would have been happy with a fit Murty at RB and he has zero pace. We had Otsemobor who was lightning quick, but simply couldn't defend.

 

If there's a right back who can do all the defensive work and possess blistering pace, they'll be playing at a much higher level than League One!

[Chez]

To be fair, at Fboro he was marking a pretty quick player, who was being supported by an equally speedy left back who wasn't being tracked by our right winger.

 

A lot of people would have been happy with a fit Murty at RB and he has zero pace. We had Otsemobor who was lightning quick, but simply couldn't defend.

 

If there's a right back who can do all the defensive work and possess blistering pace, they'll be playing at a much higher level than League One!

 

I've not seen him yet in a Saints shirt so I'll reserve my judgement, but he will be up against better and faster players in League 1. I wasn't happy with Murty. Too bloody slow. I might even prefer a fast Semi that never tackles than a full back that can tackle, but gets done for pace all day long - not sure about that though.

 

By the way we found Harding who could do both and I understand that Dickson can do both as well. They are out there, whether we have found one in either Richardson or Butterfield we will see. I include Richardson because everyone has taken it as red that he's mustard, I don't remember him in the Charlton games, is he class?

[100%Red&White]

I'd rather have a fast Semi

 

That's no good to anyone