Saints sign Butterfield

[NickG]

he can cover as CM as well.

 

Got feeling Ox-Ch is seen as the pacy winger from the bench this season.

 

Wouldn't be stunned if we are done.

[NickG]

You take an somewhat 'unauthodox' view on simple mathematics . Players over the age of 30 are (as a rule) past their footballing/athletic prime and are more likely to pick up injury's you will concede ?

 

If we must talk about higher level players such as Gerrard & Lampard then I would point out how easily a much younger German midfield totally outplayed England in the World Cup just a few weeks ago . Had you chosen you could have employed another 30 year old big name footballer (Micheal Owen's) record last season to prove the polar opposite of the case you are trying to make .

 

The truth is that some 30 something players still have much to offer the game and some unfortunately (Paul Wotton for instance) are past it frankly .

 

stop teasing and enjoy it.

[alpine_saint]

he can cover as CM as well.

 

Got feeling Ox-Ch is seen as the pacy winger from the bench this season.

 

Wouldn't be stunned if we are done.

 

 

Then dont expect promotion.

[NickG]

I do, and so do you!

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

Bizarre.

 

What can we judge any new signing on other than - level playing at, how thought of by his manager (who offered him a contract for a team that was competing for CCC play offs) and fans?

 

There is no guarantee that he will be a good signing and as you see we will see as the season goes on, but it looks a very good signing to all (well apart from one!)

 

I asked you how often you have seen this player actually play recently - the forum will note you have declined to answer that rather pertinent question .

[The Cat]

Good signing.

 

Got a Palace supporting mate so I've seen him play a fair few times and always thought he was decent, and that was in the league above.

 

His versatility is such a bonus. Could easily fill in for Hammond in midfield, or on the right if needed.

 

Having 4 very good full backs for this league will make such a difference to the team. This should allow us to attack the flanks more and get crosses in from behind the oppositions defensive line. Crucially for me our right side with Richardson and/or Butterfield will now be a lot more solid and give more balance to the team. They are also much stronger and have better awareness than Otsemobor which will allow whoever is playing on the right (Puncheon?) to have more freedom.

[alpine_saint]

I do, and so do you!

 

I still think we are short in certain areas, you arent bothered if we are done on transfers.

[NickG]

I asked you how often you have seen this player actually play recently - the forum will note you have declined to answer that rather pertinent question .

 

I can't give an opinion on my personal viewing of him nor could I of Lambert, Connolly or Fonte but you have to be thick not to be able to the signing of them say to Otsembor?!

[NickG]

I still think we are short in certain areas, you arent bothered if we are done on transfers.

 

I would like this to continue, would particularly like a CM to run this campaign, but we have improved on the team we had for the latter part of last season - which was good enough for promotion.

[saintwarwick]

You take an somewhat 'unauthodox' view on simple mathematics . Players over the age of 30 are (as a rule) past their footballing/athletic prime and are more likely to pick up injury's you will concede ?

 

If we must talk about higher level players such as Gerrard & Lampard then I would point out how easily a much younger German midfield totally outplayed England in the World Cup just a few weeks ago . Had you chosen you could have employed another 30 year old big name footballer (Micheal Owen's) record last season to prove the polar opposite of the case you are trying to make .

 

The truth is that some 30 something players still have much to offer the game and some unfortunately (Paul Wotton for instance) are past it frankly .

So are you suggesting Butterfield is past it then because he has hit 30? A player can be past it at the age of 28 just as a player of 30 can be in his prime. There are no mathematics involved, quite simply a person called the wrong side of 30 is 35+ end of.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I can't give an opinion on my personal viewing of him nor could I of Lambert, Connolly or Fonte but you have to be thick not to be able to the signing of them say to Otsembor?!

 

I see , so you are basing an hypotenuse on little or no empirical evidence then .

 

Can I suggest you stick to your internet cheer-leading hobby and don't pursue a career in science ?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Saints flex financial muscle....

 

George Burley said: "I spoke with the boy Butterfield but he had already had an offer from another club and I felt we couldn't match that."

 

http://www.sportcroydon.co.uk/footballnews/Exclusive-Butterfield-Lawrence-allowed-leave-Crystal-Palace/article-2363947-detail/article.html

 

With that article dated 30th June if the club mentioned was us then fair play to Saints, again, for keeping the deal out of the press.

[manji]

Sometimes I feel like I'm dreaming when I'm reading these pages. I seriously cannot believe that we have the team we have and are still building. If you had told me last May that this season we'd have the likes of Lambert and Barnard with Connolly as backup, Puncheon, Hammond, Harding, Frazer, Jaidi, Fonte, Dickson and now Butterfield, I would laugh in your face so loudly, it would turn it inside out!

 

This coming season, we now have THE best defence in this league, particularly with Kelvin in goal. Could we play a 5 at the back Fonte, Jaidi, Butterfield, with Frazer and Dickson acting as wing backs. Stick Morgan and Hammond in front of them and allow Puncheon, Lallana and Lambert to run riot up front.

 

Anyway, leaving strategy behind, we have the best defence, arguably the best midfield in Morgan, Hammond, Lallana and Puncheon and then THE highest scoring strikers in this league last season (or there abouts), 3 words O MY GOD!

 

Yes we could do with another CM, maybe a Papa would fit nicely in this team, someone that can throw a curve ball if you like and Papa certainly fits into that category. Now, look at the ages of these players, apart from Jaidi and Kelvin, the team ranges from young flyers to peak key players. Keep this team together this season, no more major changes, and this team will be flying for next season, hopefully in the new Chamionship. Add a couple of players to this team and we have agreat Championship squad (if we have those two additional players, not so vital this season, but for next, it will make a real impact) and one that can challenge for promotion that season. Now, and forgive me for my headiness and jumping the gun, but how many of these players can play in the Premk IF they stick together as a team for this season and next? Hmmm, now there's one for future discussion, sometime into next season when we're topping the Championship maybe?

 

Anyway, back to what I started off saying, I LOVE this team, what a great bunch of players! I couldn;t ask for more, I really couldn't. Are the days of fast flowing attacking football returning to Southampton? AND will a new tradition be born? One that creates the legend at the back, in DEFENCE? Surely not, surely the age old addage of scoring 5 if the opposition gets 4 hasn't gone? Surely Saints won't have the best defensive record in all the leagues? Nah, I surely would be dreaming then!

 

Yes but what about Cortese being horrid to The Echo and some bint that works for us ? Get some perspective man lol !

[Window Cleaner]

30-34 is the right side of 30, 35-39 is the wrong side of 30. As someone has pointed out guess Gerrard, Lampard etc are obviously too old for us then.

 

wouldn't want Gerrard really (well in League 1 maybe) Awful season at Liverpool who were relying on him and he really let them down, seems to be going down the wrong path just now.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

ANYONE should have gone in place of Heskey

 

Ali Dia?

[NickG]

I see , so you are basing an hypotenuse on little or no empirical evidence then .

 

Can I suggest you stick to your internet cheer-leading hobby and don't pursue a career in science ?

 

you are moaning like a tired 3 year old based on him being 30! lol

 

I am happy based on:

 

experienced but not old.

played career at higher level

manager at CCC offered him a contract

seem universal support of him on their fans forum - with them wishing he would stay - in CCC!

plays in our weakest position last season - RB

has also, by reports, performed well in two other position we lack back up CM and CB

 

Can I sugggest you...

[saintwarwick]

Then dont expect promotion.

 

You are unbelievable, we know our first 11 already and we have some very good backup, we may yet have a few more in the pipeline who knows. The season is 3 weeks away, transfer window over 6 weeks away then the loan window, if we do sign any more players I doubt they would walk straight into the team but as cover in some areas. We maybe need another CM and forward but there is no urgent requirement. You moan about lack of signings and when we do sign someone you still moan. Then again it wouldn't be alpine if you wasn't moaning.

[Barry the Badger]

But I.... I..... I don't.....understand.....

 

How have we been able to make a signing whilst Cortese is away from St. Mary's? It simply doesn't make any sense.

[Turkish]

You take an somewhat 'unauthodox' view on simple mathematics . Players over the age of 30 are (as a rule) past their footballing/athletic prime and are more likely to pick up injury's you will concede ?

 

If we must talk about higher level players such as Gerrard & Lampard then I would point out how easily a much younger German midfield totally outplayed England in the World Cup just a few weeks ago . Had you chosen you could have employed another 30 year old big name footballer (Micheal Owen's) record last season to prove the polar opposite of the case you are trying to make .

 

The truth is that some 30 something players still have much to offer the game and some unfortunately (Paul Wotton for instance) are past it frankly .

 

So some players over 30 are good enough but some aren't and some players under 30 are good enough but some aren't. Who would you rather have in the centre of your defence Jaidi or Lancashire? Surely ability is the most important thing? Has Butterfield still got it? Judging by comments from his previous club it would seems so.

[Barry the Badger]

30-34 is the right side of 30, 35-39 is the wrong side of 30..

 

You are mental btw ;-)

[saintwarwick]

you are moaning like a tired 3 year old based on him being 30! lol

 

I am happy based on:

 

experienced but not old.

played career at higher level

manager at CCC offered him a contract

seem universal support of him on their fans forum - with them wishing he would stay - in CCC!

plays in our weakest position last season - RB

has also, by reports, performed well in two other position we lack back up CM and CB

 

Can I sugggest you...

 

I think what CHAPEL END CHARLIE is saying is we should only sign players who are under 30 because the day they reach 30 they are finished and we should only sign them if we have seen them play. Guess AP and our scouting have never seeen him play

[saintwarwick]

You are mental btw ;-)

 

It helps on some of these threads

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

So some players over 30 are good enough but some aren't and some players under 30 are good enough but some aren't. Who would you rather have in the centre of your defence Jaidi or Lancashire? Surely ability is the most important thing? Has Butterfield still got it? Judging by comments from his previous club it would seems so.

 

That's the whole point you see - I prefer to form judgments on what I see in front of me at St Marys , not on what other fans opinions may be .

 

I've seen many players come to this club with good or great reputations - a fair percentage never manage to live up to them in all honesty .

 

Wait and see .

[killer fan]

thats a great singing hopefully is team mate neil dans will follow him to

[Turkish]

That's the whole point you see - I prefer to form judgments on what I see in front of me at St Marys , not on what other fans opinions may be .

 

I've seen many players come to this club with good or great reputations - a fair percentage never manage to live up to them in all honesty .

 

Wait and see .

 

I dont see what point you are trying to make, no one he is saying he is the best right back in the history of football, just that it is a good signing. A player who has played his whole career at a higher level, was rated by his previous clubs fans and manager, can player in 3 positions and is experenced but not old. Is this not a good signing?

[corsacar saint]

Another excellent signing.

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

I think what CHAPEL END CHARLIE is saying is we should only sign players who are under 30 because the day they reach 30 they are finished and we should only sign them if we have seen them play. Guess AP and our scouting have never seeen him play

 

I of course said no such think but thankfully for you the libel laws are seldom applied on fans forums . Never mind you're not the 1st (or last) person to lie on here .

 

You and little Nick can play your silly games , I will rise above it .

[NickG]

You all seem convinced this is a great signing but the facts are he's the wrong side of 30 and his previous club released him . Perhaps a pause for thought may be in order .

 

I welcome new players to this great club and I hope he does well , but I think I'll wait to see him play for us before passing any judgment .

 

Nothing wrong with waiting to see how he will do, but he is 30. Not old, around the latter stages of peak for a player and could easily have 4 years or more at a good level. Its an irrelevant points, as I said would you really say it for Alonso, Gerrard or the much older Lampard? No. You were looking for a moan.

 

He was not released by his club his contract ended and they offered him a new one.

 

Judge when you see him, but there are a lot of positive facts about him on here and yours seems short on fact.

[Window Cleaner]

thats a great singing hopefully is team mate neil dans will follow him to

 

Danns will not sign for Saints.

[NickG]

44 appearances for team competing for play offs in CCC *****il deducting points). Must be passed it.

[saintwarwick]

Danns will not sign for Saints.

 

Are you Danns?

[hypochondriac]

Pardew has already said we will sign someone to challenge Hammond for a place. A CM, pacy winger and a Striker and we are laughing.

[VectisSaint]

Wrong side of 30 means 35+ he is 30 years of age, hth.

 

Wrong side of 30 means past his 30th birthday:

http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/be+the+wrong+side+of+30+etc

Still clearly got 3-4 seasons if he keeps fit, at 30 players really are in their prime, especially defenders

[NickG]

when did he say that? Maybe referring to Butterfield?

 

Interesting the Ox-C was about only player to play 90 mins in first friendly? Have they found winger in house?

 

AP has publically stated entering negotiations for Antonio, but last I heard he thought it was unlikely he would end up here (although would do so happily) but thought Leeds a good possibility

[saintwarwick]

I of course said no such think but thankfully for you the libel laws are seldom applied on fans forums . Never mind you're not the 1st (or last) person to lie on here .

 

You and little Nick can play your silly games , I will rise above it .

 

Ha ha you make me laugh, not. You said he was the wrong end of 30 which suggested he was past it. I've never seen him play except if he has played against us but then again I don't pay attention to the opposition when we play, I concentrate on our own players but if the management thinks he is good enough then I am happy to see him pull on the shirt for our club. The same could be said for Lambert, Fonte, Connelly, Puncheon, the list goes on. As for libel, get a life sadddo

[View From The Top]

You are unbelievable

 

More of a tolling cu*t who reads better on ignore.

[Macey_J2]

So much for the "thats all folks thread" regarding no more signings for at least two weeks, a week later and we've signed Butterfield! it seems i cant find the thread now either!

[View From The Top]

I dont see what point you are trying to make, no one he is saying he is the best right back in the history of football, just that it is a good signing. A player who has played his whole career at a higher level, was rated by his previous clubs fans and manager, can player in 3 positions and is experenced but not old. Is this not a good signing?

 

Until CEC watches him and passes comment on this board I have no opinion as only when CEC actually sees him will we know if he is a good player or not.

[Window Cleaner]

Are you Danns?

 

Nope, but then I'm not Princess Anne either and yet I know she won't be topless sunbathing on Weston Shore again ths summer either.

[Faz]

Nope, but then I'm not Princess Anne either and yet I know she won't be topless sunbathing on Weston Shore again ths summer either.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/Princessannetoplesswestonshore

[West End Saint]

Happy with this good cover for right back and midfield nice to get some more experience in the squad well done Saints.

 

A quality centre midfielder some pace and some cover for Lambo now please and I am a happy camper

[alpine_saint]

Pardew has already said we will sign someone to challenge Hammond for a place. A CM, pacy winger and a Striker and we are laughing.

 

you dont think we need a decent second-choice GK too ?

[hypochondriac]

you dont think we need a decent second-choice GK too ?

 

BB hasn't officially gone yet, even if he does I would be happy with a loan for a keeper. What half decent keeper would want to come here to sit on the bench virtually all season?

[hypochondriac]

you dont think we need a decent second-choice GK too ?

 

And if we do make a GK signing it will be for backup so it can still be made last minute because it is unlikely that they will play straight away.

[RobM]

BB hasn't officially gone yet, even if he does I would be happy with a loan for a keeper. What half decent keeper would want to come here to sit on the bench virtually all season?

 

A young promising one who knows KD wont be around forever and we could be heading towards the Prem when his time comes.

[NickG]

And if we do make a GK signing it will be for backup so it can still be made last minute because it is unlikely that they will play straight away.

 

always good keepers available on loan as well

[killer fan]

you got to be postive window cleaner no one thought we get jose fonte at the last transfer window and we did

[SNSUN]

Chuffed with this, the Lloyd James replacement, only better.

[Under Weststand]

So far NC & AP have done some excellent business in the transfer market, with not many mistakes. I see the signing of Danny Burterfield as another good solid signing. He has higher league experience, gives us some flexibility as he can play RB & CB & could even play as holding midfielder. Would be nice to complete the squad with another quality CM need to sort out the GK position if Bart goes & being a bit greedy I'd like to see another pacey winger/forward (Antonio or Papa please). We now have an excellent 1st eleven & plenty of back up.

[suewhistle]

Interesting the Ox-C was about only player to play 90 mins in first friendly? Have they found winger in house?

 

Having seen him at Thun I think we have. He didn't quite make the 90 minutes but when he went down I knew it was cramp as he'd been working so hard. But he is still a kid so I hope they introduce him carefully. If he avoids injury he'll be a player who will send an expectant buzz around the ground when he comes on as sub.