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Thedelldays

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1 week to go, nothing done about midfield, width, or attack, and still no decent second keeper officially.

 

3 defenders brought in, one crocked already.

 

A poor summer's work.

 

(Just to remind a lot of you who sneered at this thread but said they would be worried at the beginning of August....)

I am tending to agree

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believe two of signings can/have played in midfield, one CM in CCC last year with good reviews, another CM apparently played quite well on trial this week, club and Bart both said he is going to sign contract, plenty of window left imho

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believe two of signings can/have played in midfield, one CM in CCC last year with good reviews, another CM apparently played quite well on trial this week, club and Bart both said he is going to sign contract, plenty of window left imho

well, no excuses...and all that

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Thedelldays

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although slightly worried....will be a let down and a concern if the squad we have now is what we have till jan....it is good enough for the top IF we dont get injuries...

 

however, like to think at least 1 more major signing in the AM/ST role will happen in the next month....that should see us nicely till jan IMO

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this side and squad if it performs as a team is good enough to win this league. I agree with AP on that.

 

He has said there maybe two or three in by season starts - even then there is the busiest part of window left.

 

With the very little you know not sure how you can judge this as poor summers work - best bit of business is keeping squad together (or is it early days still!!)

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What did he say that you disagreed with exactly?

 

It's writing off people's comments like that without bothering to even make a reasonable case that has you on many people's ignore button.

 

Look, what makes you think I care ?

 

I call his post straw-clutching because he's strung together a series of weak half-facts or technicalities trying to compose a strong tour-de-force of an argument that we will be strong next season as we stand, which is of course nonsense.

 

As for the rest of your frothing rants here this afternoon, I am tired of pointing out that when I post such things it is due to exasperation, worry or frustration at what is going on, not to set myself up to say "I am right". I would be happy to be proven wrong. I have never crowed on the occasions when my negative outlook on a given issue has turned out to be correct, though considering the amount of abuse I have received for expressing that thought, you could hardly blame me for doing so if I did.

 

People on here seem to throw temper-tantrums at negativtiy or pessimism. I cant for the life of me think why, unless this place is some sort of therapists sanctuary for some people.

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Look, what makes you think I care ?

 

I call his post straw-clutching because he's strung together a series of weak half-facts or technicalities trying to compose a strong tour-de-force of an argument that we will be strong next season as we stand, which is of course nonsense.

 

As for the rest of your frothing rants here this afternoon, I am tired of pointing out that when I post such things it is due to exasperation, worry or frustration at what is going on, not to set myself up to say "I am right". I would be happy to be proven wrong. I have never crowed on the occasions when my negative outlook on a given issue has turned out to be correct, though considering the amount of abuse I have received for expressing that thought, you could hardly blame me for doing so if I did.

 

People on here seem to throw temper-tantrums at negativtiy or pessimism. I cant for the life of me think why, unless this place is some sort of therapists sanctuary for some people.

 

Although we have not got in as many I was expecting it does not mean that we will not from what Pardew has said he is expecting to get in some new players soon.

 

I dont think we can expect to make an offer and the player will come rushing to St Mary's

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alpine_saint

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Although we have not got in as many I was expecting it does not mean that we will not from what Pardew has said he is expecting to get in some new players soon.

 

I dont think we can expect to make an offer and the player will come rushing to St Mary's

 

That's one interpretation, a perfectly valid one.

 

Another one is that we are going about it half-arsed. Now, loads of people on here can get as uppity as they like at me saying it, but it remains a potential explanation.

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Maybe the players just aren't out there? Not point spunking 500k on a player we would have to replace in 12 months.

 

We've signed three very good players, if we can add Carter and someone like Waigo, Antonio or Tyson before the end of the window I'll be chuffed. Adding a central midfielder and a winger/striker to the squad and we would have two (quality) players for each position.

 

GK - Davis - Bart

DR - Richardson - Butterfield

DL - Harding - Dickson - Mills

DC - Fonte - Jaidi - Seaborne - Martin - Butterfield

MR - Puncehon - Oxo-Chamblerlain

ML - Lallana - Mills - Tyson?

MC - Schneiderlin - Hammond - Carter? - Butterfield

SC - Lambert - Connolly - Banard - Tyson?

 

Any more than that and we would end up with upset players, too many new players needing to gel etc.

 

Settled sides when leagues.

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That's one interpretation, a perfectly valid one.

 

Another one is that we are going about it half-arsed. Now, loads of people on here can get as uppity as they like at me saying it, but it remains a potential explanation.

 

What possible reason do you have for thinking that? It sound like a ludicrous assumption.

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I really haven't seen much transfer activity at all yet this summer.

 

You can go on about ''well Huddersfield and Wednesday signed, him, him and him'' - but they were either Free's, or players that wouldn't really improve us. Hudds are a team trying to get to our level, so their additions wouldn't have improved us really.

 

Generally though it has so far been a very very quiet window, in all the leagues. Alot of clubs keeping cards close to their chests and even decent bosmans are finding it hard to get locked down into contracts (look at Koren for e.g.) There is very little money out there at the moment, only city are splashing the mega bucks. I think that's what this window needs - a couple of massive transfers in the top flight, which should hopefully see the money trickle down and get the ball rolling, as i feels like a pretty big stalemate so far.

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That's one interpretation, a perfectly valid one.

 

Another one is that we are going about it half-arsed. Now, loads of people on here can get as uppity as they like at me saying it, but it remains a potential explanation.

 

Or might it be what AP said earlier this week, we dont want to buy a player only for a better one to become available. You'd moan like f*ck if for example we signed a Div 1 midfielder then Danns joined Swindon or Sheff Wed the day before the window shuts.

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Johnny Shearer

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1 week to go, nothing done about midfield, width, or attack, and still no decent second keeper officially.

 

3 defenders brought in, one crocked already.

 

A poor summer's work.

 

(Just to remind a lot of you who sneered at this thread but said they would be worried at the beginning of August....)

 

Mate there is a difference between sneering and people not being concerned - like me. Not fussed much at all.

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Maybe the players just aren't out there? Not point spunking 500k on a player we would have to replace in 12 months.

 

We've signed three very good players, if we can add Carter and someone like Waigo, Antonio or Tyson before the end of the window I'll be chuffed. Adding a central midfielder and a winger/striker to the squad and we would have two (quality) players for each position.

 

GK - Davis - Bart

DR - Richardson - Butterfield

DL - Harding - Dickson - Mills

DC - Fonte - Jaidi - Seaborne - Martin - Butterfield

MR - Puncehon - Oxo-Chamblerlain

ML - Lallana - Mills - Tyson?

MC - Schneiderlin - Hammond - Carter? - Butterfield

SC - Lambert - Connolly - Banard - Tyson?

 

Any more than that and we would end up with upset players, too many new players needing to gel etc.

 

Settled sides when leagues.

 

Sides without squad depth, pace or a plan B dont....

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Or might it be what AP said earlier this week, we dont want to buy a player only for a better one to become available. You'd moan like f*ck if for example we signed a Div 1 midfielder then Danns joined Swindon or Sheff Wed the day before the window shuts.

 

Another myth. I dont recall me moaning at the signing of any player.

 

Another piece of bullsh*t made up to fit the hype about me.

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Look, what makes you think I care ?

 

I call his post straw-clutching because he's strung together a series of weak half-facts or technicalities trying to compose a strong tour-de-force of an argument that we will be strong next season as we stand, which is of course nonsense.

 

As for the rest of your frothing rants here this afternoon, I am tired of pointing out that when I post such things it is due to exasperation, worry or frustration at what is going on, not to set myself up to say "I am right". I would be happy to be proven wrong. I have never crowed on the occasions when my negative outlook on a given issue has turned out to be correct, though considering the amount of abuse I have received for expressing that thought, you could hardly blame me for doing so if I did.

 

People on here seem to throw temper-tantrums at negativtiy or pessimism. I cant for the life of me think why, unless this place is some sort of therapists sanctuary for some people.

 

The only temper tantrum is yours, others are just disagreeing.

 

Including Pardew

 

but we're still hoping to bring one or two players in before we start.

 

"We might not secure them but we'll be pretty close - I'm pretty confident we can start the season with the squad we've got but we do want a couple more additions - maybe three."

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Another myth. I dont recall me moaning at the signing of any player.

 

Another piece of bullsh*t made up to fit the hype about me.

 

You'd be moaning that we had gone for average when better was available, i know i would do. So what you are saying is it doesn't matter who we sign or how good they are, as long as we sign someone?

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Erm, judging the results ?

 

what have the results got to do with it? You have stated that we are going about half-arsed to sign players and not putting much effort in. To know that you would need access to Pardews and Cortese's diary and scouting list, the fact you don't have access to either suggests it's a great big over-hyped assumption.

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If we have 10 points out of a possible 12 by the end of August, I'll accept that people who have defended the lack of signings other than the FBs will have been right. If we only have 6 out of 12, will others accept that they were wrong?

 

Points dropped in August can never be recovered so a home draw against Plymouth could be the two points that drop us down a crucial place at the end of the season.

 

Loyalty to the manager is all very well but criticism by critical friends is sometimes more valuable than just listening to 'Yes' men.

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Sides without squad depth, pace or a plan B dont....

 

That's a 22 man squad, what do you expect a 45 man squad ala Man City?

 

As for pace we might not have any 'sprinters' this season but we have Dickson, Puncheon, Connolly, Barnard, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lallana who aren't exactly slow.

 

Not really sure how we have a lack of plan B either, we played 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 in equal measures last season and Pardew showed on several occasions he could change games with his subs. Look at the triple sub against Yeovil, three strikers brought on with one of them playing right back despite being down to ten men, results in a last minute winner.

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If we have 10 points out of a possible 12 by the end of August, I'll accept that people who have defended the lack of signings other than the FBs will have been right. If we only have 6 out of 12, will others accept that they were wrong?

 

Points dropped in August can never be recovered so a home draw against Plymouth could be the two points that drop us down a crucial place at the end of the season.

 

Loyalty to the manager is all very well but criticism by critical friends is sometimes more valuable than just listening to 'Yes' men.

 

That's fair, but the time to moan will be when we don't have the points on the board. Not now - we haven't kicked a ball yet.

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That's a 22 man squad, what do you expect a 45 man squad ala Man City?

 

As for pace we might not have any 'sprinters' this season but we have Dickson, Puncheon, Connolly, Barnard, Oxlade-Chamberlain and Lallana who aren't exactly slow.

 

Not really sure how we have a lack of plan B either, we played 4-5-1 and 4-4-2 in equal measures last season and Pardew showed on several occasions he could change games with his subs. Look at the triple sub against Yeovil, three strikers brought on with one of them playing right back despite being down to ten men, results in a last minute winner.

 

Young holder-spooner (great name) is lightening quick too.

 

..and ps. alpine, I'm not basing our promotion hopes in a young kid.

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If we have 10 points out of a possible 12 by the end of August, I'll accept that people who have defended the lack of signings other than the FBs will have been right. If we only have 6 out of 12, will others accept that they were wrong?

 

Points dropped in August can never be recovered so a home draw against Plymouth could be the two points that drop us down a crucial place at the end of the season.

 

Loyalty to the manager is all very well but criticism by critical friends is sometimes more valuable than just listening to 'Yes' men.

 

 

6 points dropped by the end of August - we're doomed!

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I found this quote on a Web Site with Regard to our situation

 

Persuading an experienced goalscorer to sign with no guarantee of a regular starting place will be difficult and young forwards that will guarantee you goals when required are rare and therefore difficult to find.

 

So it is not easy to get in new players

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If we have 10 points out of a possible 12 by the end of August, I'll accept that people who have defended the lack of signings other than the FBs will have been right. If we only have 6 out of 12, will others accept that they were wrong?

 

Points dropped in August can never be recovered so a home draw against Plymouth could be the two points that drop us down a crucial place at the end of the season.

 

Loyalty to the manager is all very well but criticism by critical friends is sometimes more valuable than just listening to 'Yes' men.

 

What about if we have 6 points out of 12 at the end of august but 50 out of 69 at Christmas? Or is it only the first 4 games which count? Will people still be bemoaning the 'lack' of summer signings then?

I dont get this percived lack of activity anyway. We have signed not one but two players who were better than the RB last season and the best left back in the division last season. The first XI on paper is better than last season now. yes the squad still needs strengthing, but in reality we have only lost two decent squad players, the rest such as lancashire and Molyneux were deadwood which needed moving on. 2 good players for every position is better than 3 average ones.

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If we have 10 points out of a possible 12 by the end of August, I'll accept that people who have defended the lack of signings other than the FBs will have been right. If we only have 6 out of 12, will others accept that they were wrong?

 

Points dropped in August can never be recovered so a home draw against Plymouth could be the two points that drop us down a crucial place at the end of the season.

 

Loyalty to the manager is all very well but criticism by critical friends is sometimes more valuable than just listening to 'Yes' men.

 

Can points dropped anytime be recovered?

 

Surely they always remain dropped points?

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Points dropped in August can never be recovered ...........

 

Ugh? POints is points mate. Win is worth 3 in August or April. The statsistics show that the teams that finish most strngly do better. Sure, i want 100% points in August as in every month, but just give me points, don't care when.

 

(Professor of what is it then that gives you this sort of bonkers logic? Professor of what-you-can-get-on-the-interweb-for $50 i suppose)

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Only ones that are dropped in August count as it'll prove the 'we should have a squad of 90 players' brigade right.

 

I sometimes think that having a large squad is a bit problematic as the manager is always tinkering with the squad

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I sometimes think that having a large squad is a bit problematic as the manager is always tinkering with the squad

 

Which is exactly the point!! 20-24 good players, or 35 average ones? I know which one i'd take EVERYTIME without fail. Look at the size of our squad when relegated from the PL, it was massive, yet only 2 or 3 players of that were up to it. Yet some people just want us to sign somone, anyone, regardless of how good they are.

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Which is exactly the point!! 20-24 good players, or 35 average ones? I know which one i'd take EVERYTIME without fail. Look at the size of our squad when relegated from the PL, it was massive, yet only 2 or 3 players of that were up to it. Yet some people just want us to sign somone, anyone, regardless of how good they are.

 

Yes I am with you but I still think we will get another two

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I agree, hopefully Carter and an attacking midfielder come striker.

 

Anymore than that would be counter-productive at this stage.

 

Yep, that is all we need. dont know much about Carter but he must have ability to have played his career at a higher level, fingers crossed for Tyson or similar too.

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If we have 10 points out of a possible 12 by the end of August, I'll accept that people who have defended the lack of signings other than the FBs will have been right. If we only have 6 out of 12, will others accept that they were wrong?

 

Points dropped in August can never be recovered so a home draw against Plymouth could be the two points that drop us down a crucial place at the end of the season.

 

Loyalty to the manager is all very well but criticism by critical friends is sometimes more valuable than just listening to 'Yes' men.

 

after 4 games, 8 points will be automatic promotion form or there abouts (although due to small number of games other teams may have more).

 

6 out of 12 is hardly an unrecoverable disaster...win next game and you are on 9 from 5 games -just about on target.

 

Having said that I will be disappointed if we are as low as that

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Yep, that is all we need. dont know much about Carter but he must have ability to have played his career at a higher level, fingers crossed for Tyson or similar too.

 

Carter looked decent in the first half on Tuesday, a bit of an all rounder like Hammond. Second half he couldn't really get into it with all the subs going on.

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Carter looked decent in the first half on Tuesday, a bit of an all rounder like Hammond. Second half he couldn't really get into it with all the subs going on.

 

If Pardew cannot get the squad with Carter plus ANO playing well then I think it will prove he is not up to it and will go.

 

However I think we will do really well and will be at the top of the League

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