NickG Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Can we please have the poll, then we can all vote, the results of that can then be declared as the Forum opinion and all Cortese threads locked for a couple of months. This way we can get back to football.................or at least that one about who's had a dump at St. Mary's............ +1.
John B Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Can we please have the poll, then we can all vote, the results of that can then be declared as the Forum opinion and all Cortese threads locked for a couple of months. This way we can get back to football.................or at least that one about who's had a dump at St. Mary's............ The problem is that some on here know little about football but know how to run a large football club
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 FFS lets bring back Wupert shall we?? Fookin hysterical tarts !!!
dune Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 FFS lets bring back Wupert shall we?? Fookin hysterical tarts !!! As I have said before, there is little to pick and choose between Cortese and Lowe. The difference is that Cortese is working for a rich owner, and Lowe was working for a PLC. Putting aside the similarities between the CEO's we are in a far better position now because we have financial stability. That all said it doesn't mean that we, as fans, are not allowed to voice our concerns for the future. Attending football matches has become very expensive in recent times and it's set to become much more expensive - the writing is on the wall with the introduction of the booking tax on tickets and the other price rises we have seen. As much as I want to see a successful Saints team, I also want to have a club that is affordable to support.
Scudamore Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I wonder if other clubs are this obsessed with their chairman's every single action...
saint_stevo Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I have heard Cortese will go into the Big Brother house for the final week
dune Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I wonder if other clubs are this obsessed with their chairman's every single action... I'd like to think we are the most dilligent supporters. If Pompey fans had been a little more "obsessed" maybe, just maybe, they'd have uncovered the charlatans before they got a foot in the door...
eelpie Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 As I have said before, there is little to pick and choose between Cortese and Lowe. How naive.
ottery st mary Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Surely COYWs with the sash Absolutely right Uncle John.... COYWs with the Red sash
Scudamore Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I'd like to think we are the most dilligent supporters. If Pompey fans had been a little more "obsessed" maybe, just maybe, they'd have uncovered the charlatans before they got a foot in the door... And what exactly could they have done to stop it? F::ck all.
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 As I have said before, there is little to pick and choose between Cortese and Lowe. I agree, very little ............... Apart from Cortese, ie Leibherr have Saved OUR Club from extinction INVESTED Millions already as opposed to Lowe INVESTING NIL Pounds, ie NOTHING, ie ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in either of his tenures Yup, you are right ...... not a lot to choose between them PS You're post WAS a joke wasn't it ????
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I agree, very little ............... Apart from Cortese, ie Leibherr have Saved OUR Club from extinction INVESTED Millions already as opposed to Lowe INVESTING NIL Pounds, ie NOTHING, ie ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in either of his tenures Yup, you are right ...... not a lot to choose between them PS You're post WAS a joke wasn't it ???? How much has Cortese personally invested?
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I agree, very little ............... Apart from Cortese, ie Leibherr have Saved OUR Club from extinction INVESTED Millions already as opposed to Lowe INVESTING NIL Pounds, ie NOTHING, ie ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, in either of his tenures Yup, you are right ...... not a lot to choose between them PS You're post WAS a joke wasn't it ???? I think your post is a joke. Maybe you want to go and have a look at the difference of a PLC and Ltd Company. Cortese is not spending HIS money, he is spending Liebherrs. Oh, and where, apart from the purchase of the club, has Liebherr invested millions? Spending profits does not constitute investing. Lowe and Cortese have invested exactly the same amount into SFC as each other - NOTHING
BARCELONASAINT Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 ITK my ass ! They all have an agenda more like ! There is a very small group of fans who had a foolishly high expectation of "Mike" Wilde and then when that fell flat hoped for a fan-pandering Pinnacle takeover with the likes of Lawrie Mac and MLT involved. This would lead in their deluded eyes to jobs with the club (historian anyone ? ) or the ultimate **** fantasy becoming a "fan on the board". Again this has been dashed by a successful board taking the club in the right direction. Unfortunately for this deluded but vocal minority the set up has remained popular so they have set about undermining the club with tittle tattle that the less perceptive members of the fan-base have fallen for. Add to that some pompous bed-wetting whinging about the installment plan fanned by a very desperate local rag. Forchrissakes this is the first settled close season for years and most of us look forward to the coming season with great excitement so can the whingers shut the **** up. It will upset a MINORITY, but your not far wrong!
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I think your post is a joke. Maybe you want to go and have a look at the difference of a PLC and Ltd Company. Cortese is not spending HIS money, he is spending Liebherrs. Oh, and where, apart from the purchase of the club, has Liebherr invested millions? Spending profits does not constitute investing. Lowe and Cortese have invested exactly the same amount into SFC as each other - NOTHING Sorry, I completely forgot about the MILLIONS that Lowe invested YOU are missing the point SFC have had INVESTMENT from Leibherr, fronted by Cortese Lowe INVESTED NOTHING, or did you forget that bit ???
manji Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I think that's the whole point, Cortese is a pretty nasty character. People on here don't seem to be bothered about the complete contempt for fans, staff and press/media that Cortese shows time and time again. Refusing someone maternity leave? Sums it all up. Have a look through the Echo, you'll find the SFC Crest has gone... why is that? Because Cortese has threatened them with legal action for using the club crest because it will apparantly damage the clubs chances of getting to the Premier League... yeah nice one Mr Cortese. Various others have also recieved threats of legal action for stupid little things, infact I await a letter saying I am being taken to court for posting this! Why has the training ground development been delayed? Because Cortese had a row with one contractor, expecting them to start the work without paying any money, because apparantly " his word is his honour " ... so quite understandably the contractor told him to f*ck right off, downed tools and walked away. Anyone that knows the in's and out's of Cortese's dispute with Francis Benali will also know what a complete **** Cortese is. For anyone that doesn't know, Cortese has rented Francis Benali's house... that's all I am prepared to say, but some of the things that have happened during his tenancy are beggars belief. Then we move on to the fans, where he is consistently treating fans with disrespect through lack of communication, disregard for the supporters charter and making every decision based on money and absolutely no thought or consideration for the fans. Many of you on here, infact most of you on her won't give a toss because you want to see Southampton win at any cost, so good luck you, nothing wrong with that view, everyone looks at their club in a different way and no way of supporting the club is wrong. There are many people that need to be treated with a bit of respect as a customer and not feel like they are being ripped off, or they will simply walk away... this will start happening this season, I am certain of that. Not every supporters wants Southampton to " win at any cost " . You are a complete bed-wetter. Have you never had a job ? Basically what you (hearsay/tittle-tattle) are describing is a manager who has upset a couple of members of staff. There is not an organsation in the world that does not have staff that are at some stage ****ed off with the boss. Especially if the new boss comes in and shakes up some complacent staff. As for the alleged Benali "story" all you are hearing is second-hand(at least] and only one side of the story.
Surman4no7shirt Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 "There's no pleasing some people" "That's just what Jesus said sir!"
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 How much has Cortese personally invested? You conveniently forget the fact that Cortese is WORKING FOR LEIBHERR, who, unless I am dreaming, has INVESTED in SFC Big Time
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 You conveniently forget the fact that Cortese is WORKING FOR LEIBHERR, who, unless I am dreaming, has INVESTED in SFC Big Time You conveniently forget that Lowe WORKED FOR SOUTHAMPTON LEISURE HOLDINGS PLC who, unless I am dreaming, has INVESTED in SFC Big Time
jam Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 as we went into admin with Lowe would anyone believe that a small number of posters would be slagging off his replacement over in the main petty non-football issues after he had found us a billionaire investor, hired top manager, supported him in transfer market, won a trophy etc etc - you would have thought it was a wind up......I still do! The short notice season ticket renewal + scrapping the instalment issues are not petty issues to a lot of fans. It's frankly depressing that so many of our fans take such an 'I'm alright, Jack' point of view...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 You conveniently forget that Lowe WORKED FOR SOUTHAMPTON LEISURE HOLDINGS PLC who, unless I am dreaming, has INVESTED in SFC Big Time I don't think there is any helping poor old Saint Richmond.
STEVEADAMS Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Going well, some people are never happy and have already forgotten the agony we have been through the last few years. The club is now heading in the right direction it would seem, in all areas with some great investment down to Cortese. I like his ambition and drive for the club to progress quickly.
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 You conveniently forget that Lowe WORKED FOR SOUTHAMPTON LEISURE HOLDINGS PLC who, unless I am dreaming, has INVESTED in SFC Big Time News to me, it must have been in a parallel universe How many millions was that then, and what Big Money players did Lowe, on behalf of Southampton Leisure Holdings, get to save us from RELEGATION Sounds like you were a High Flyer with SLH ???
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 The short notice season ticket renewal + scrapping the instalment issues are not petty issues to a lot of fans. It's frankly depressing that so many of our fans take such an 'I'm alright, Jack' point of view... Exactly, thats our retarded support for you though. I would say the issue of not being able to get your season ticket that you have had for years as a direct result of of the delibrate late removal of an installment plan is about as big an issue is there could possibly be, I would say having your car parking ( which you rely on ) prices almost double is a pretty big issue to those that it effect. Etc etc... But yet people come on here with the "I'm alright Jack" attitude, not only saying tough luck, but thinking they are qualified financial advisors, even some people saying if people need installment plans then they don't deserve a season ticket, and snobs like Weston Saint rubbishing peoples opinion, using reasons like not being able to afford £350 at 30 days notice as a reason for dis-crediting other peoples views. You really couldn't make some of this sh!t up, but unfortunately that is what happens when you get the chance to express your views anonymously.
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 I don't think there is any helping poor old Saint Richmond. And I don't think that there is much helping DBP, if he honestly thinks that there is any similarity between Cortese and Lowe Cortese, on behalf of Leibherr, has saved the Club, invested in the Club, and made SFC VIABLE Lowe nearly DESTROYED us And you think I need help ??? WHY exactly ???? Did you prefer us to be in Administration under Lowe ???
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 News to me, it must have been in a parallel universe How many millions was that then, and what Big Money players did Lowe, on behalf of Southampton Leisure Holdings, get to save us from RELEGATION Sounds like you were a High Flyer with SLH ??? What money has Liebherr INVESTED apart from the discounted purchase price of the club? ( Spending profits doesn't count )
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 And I don't think that there is much helping DBP, if he honestly thinks that there is any similarity between Cortese and Lowe Cortese, on behalf of Leibherr, has saved the Club, invested in the Club, and made SFC VIABLE Lowe nearly DESTROYED us And you think I need help ??? WHY exactly ???? Did you prefer us to be in Administration under Lowe ??? SFC PLC SFC Ltd I will discuss this further when you go away and do some research into the differences about how the club can and are run. Wilde nearly destroyed us. Lowe was indeed a t0sser at times and I hated him. FFS it was ME that started the " Stand up if you want Lowe out " at the Ipswich game a few years ago when the whole stadium rose... a Lowe Luvvie I am definately not.
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 News to me, it must have been in a parallel universe How many millions was that then, and what Big Money players did Lowe, on behalf of Southampton Leisure Holdings, get to save us from RELEGATION Sounds like you were a High Flyer with SLH ??? First of all, you do realise that SLH was separate from SFC, right? SLH secured the funding for a new stadium at St. Mary's. Whether or not that money was borrowed from the bank or otherwise is irrelevant; the "funding" came via SLH to the football club. In much the same way, Cortese has identified a source of revenue in Markus Liebherr and paid to buy the club using that source of revenue. Apart from the fact that Lowe was a complete pr!ck, I'm not too sure how you see there is such an enormous disparity between his and Cortese's roles.
Secret Site Agent Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Brilliant - Especially the way he **** off those that think it is their god given right to be in his face, question everything he does knowing full well that they have no come back if it fails, and mind read as to why he does things,(because if they werehim, that is how they would act. He can only get better, his ego can only get bigger, and we can only reap the rewards of this. His Success is Saints Success is Our Success is Marcus' Success.
trousers Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 First of all, you do realise that SLH was separate from SFC, right? Try telling that to Lord Mawhinney.....
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 What money has Liebherr INVESTED apart from the discounted purchase price of the club? ( Spending profits doesn't count ) Sorry, am I using the wrong word ?? Has all the money for PLAYERS come from a bucket collection ??? I misguidedly thought it came from Leibherr Silly me, you will no doubt tell me that it was a donation from Lowe ??? I'm not interested in whether I have the correct technical jargon as you obviously have The stark reality is that SFC are now a viable concern, and the future looks good The future NEVER looked good under Lowe
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 First of all, you do realise that SLH was separate from SFC, right? SLH secured the funding for a new stadium at St. Mary's. Whether or not that money was borrowed from the bank or otherwise is irrelevant; the "funding" came via SLH to the football club. In much the same way, Cortese has identified a source of revenue in Markus Liebherr and paid to buy the club using that source of revenue. Apart from the fact that Lowe was a complete pr!ck, I'm not too sure how you see there is such an enormous disparity between his and Cortese's roles. Yes, and the way it was FUNDED meant that we owed Megabucks, because it was on the "Never Never" Leibherr PURCHASED the Cliub, and we now have NO DEBTS, unless of course you now tell me that we are in the Financial Mire ????
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Yes, and the way it was FUNDED meant that we owed Megabucks, because it was on the "Never Never" Leibherr PURCHASED the Cliub, and we now have NO DEBTS, unless of course you now tell me that we are in the Financial Mire ???? The way that the stadium was funded was not on the never never at all; the club had a perfectly serviceable mortgage on the stadium. Some very reckless spending on transfers and chasing the promotion dream meant that we racked up huge debts which became the reason we went into administration. And while you rightly point to the fact that Liebherr PURCHASED the club, you're missing the point again in that Cortese himself is not providing the financial backing.
BARCELONASAINT Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 You can't win SaintRichmond, he and a minority and lets be clear on this IT IS A MINORITY can do nothing but moan moan moan.
up and away Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Originally Posted by Third Division South Days No I think they will walk together. The 5 year plan becomes sell the club plan. Remember they bought a bargain and they could probably walk away now and at least break even. And even then the club would be in a fantastic position. What sort of fantastic position is this? As if there is a stack of Liebherrs around the corner and everything will be ok. The reality is odds on for only the cherrypips round that corner, complete with monkey chickens. Financed by loans and a money trail that would make Pompey look solid, we would already be in debt before the team kicked a ball under new management. And after a few seasons of chasing the pot of gold under the rainbow, we could easily find ourselves back where we were. There are no other Liebherrs in the Football League. There are some with money, but no where near prepared for the spend to take us to the Premier, let alone keep us there. I doubt Liebherr would up sticks if Cortese was no longer here, but another couple of years and not being able to find someone he trusts and is happy with, could well do it.
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 You can't win SaintRichmond, he and a minority and lets be clear on this IT IS A MINORITY can do nothing but moan moan moan. What is there to "win"? In your black and white world are people not entitled to hold differing but perfectly valid viewpoints about anything? Or must they all tow the BarcelonaSaint party line at all times? It is perfectly possible to accept that, while the Liebherr period of ownership is a million miles removed from the Lowe era and much more benficial to the long term success of the club, that the roles of Cortese and Lowe are really not too far apart. Which, despite all the posturing and pointless analogies to the contrary, is what the original point made by St Richmond refers to.
Weston Saint Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Exactly, thats our retarded support for you though. I would say the issue of not being able to get your season ticket that you have had for years as a direct result of of the delibrate late removal of an installment plan is about as big an issue is there could possibly be, I would say having your car parking ( which you rely on ) prices almost double is a pretty big issue to those that it effect. Etc etc... But yet people come on here with the "I'm alright Jack" attitude, not only saying tough luck, but thinking they are qualified financial advisors, even some people saying if people need installment plans then they don't deserve a season ticket, and snobs like Weston Saint rubbishing peoples opinion, using reasons like not being able to afford £350 at 30 days notice as a reason for dis-crediting other peoples views. You really couldn't make some of this sh!t up, but unfortunately that is what happens when you get the chance to express your views anonymously. You appear to have missed the point. You are the one going on about sales/marketing issues like you are successful in that field. If so I would have expected you to be earning enough to pay for your season ticket. That was the point I was making. As for discrediting others views I leave you with one of your favoutite words of late "retards". You suggested MarkSFC was one. I was just drawing a comparison in my post. I think others may have seen my point but let us move on. Everyone is entitled to a view and opinion, not just you Stu.
Third Division South Days Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 The way that the stadium was funded was not on the never never at all; the club had a perfectly serviceable mortgage on the stadium. Some very reckless spending on transfers and chasing the promotion dream meant that we racked up huge debts which became the reason we went into administration. And while you rightly point to the fact that Liebherr PURCHASED the club, you're missing the point again in that Cortese himself is not providing the financial backing. Quite correct but the purchase of the club was the idea of NC which he put to ML as a prospective investment. ML came on board with the condition that NC had complete control and ran the show. Without that the deal would not have happened. I am convinced that if one pulls out so will the other and they will go together. The 5 year plan will become the sell off plan. Be careful what you wish for because who knows what could follow.
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Quite correct but the purchase of the club was the idea of NC which he put to ML as a prospective investment. ML came on board with the condition that NC had complete control and ran the show. Without that the deal would not have happened. I am convinced that if one pulls out so will the other and they will go together. The 5 year plan will become the sell off plan. Be careful what you wish for because who knows what could follow. I don't disagree with any of that, and for the record would MUCH prefer NC and ML to stay. It's not even worth pointing out where we could have been had they come in when they did, so for that I'll be ever grateful. That said, we are in a much better position now than when they purchased the club. Make no mistake, ML's involvement with the club is through a desire to make money, although the non- tangible benefits of owning a football club are clearly evident too. If he decides to sell up then of course we are at potential risk to any incoming owner; however, that's not necessarily a bad thing, so it's unfair to suggest that we'll definitely be doomed if they do sell up. A debt-free club with a huge catchment area of customers is a very attractive proposition to any number of potential owners. Of course, as I stated, I hope it doesn't come to that.
Scudamore Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 You appear to have missed the point. You are the one going on about sales/marketing issues like you are successful in that field. If so I would have expected you to be earning enough to pay for your season ticket. That was the point I was making. As for discrediting others views I leave you with one of your favoutite words of late "retards". You suggested MarkSFC was one. I was just drawing a comparison in my post. I think others may have seen my point but let us move on. Everyone is entitled to a view and opinion, not just you Stu. Stu can't believe people can't have more empathy towards fellow Saints fans...for this they are retards. He empathises with the tards.
SaintRichmond Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 The way that the stadium was funded was not on the never never at all; the club had a perfectly serviceable mortgage on the stadium. Some very reckless spending on transfers and chasing the promotion dream meant that we racked up huge debts which became the reason we went into administration. And while you rightly point to the fact that Liebherr PURCHASED the club, you're missing the point again in that Cortese himself is not providing the financial backing. And how much of the Mortgage had been paid back by the time Administration loomed ???? I thought we owed more then than when it first started
Viking Warrior Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Have I missed something or has Stu of Romsey now changed his name to Dave benson bedwetter
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 And how much of the Mortgage had been paid back by the time Administration loomed ???? I thought we owed more then than when it first started Incorrect. In fact, during the more profitable years of Lowe's tenure we actually made overpayments on the mortagage to reduce the level of debt. The mortgage of the stadium was a well budgeted for and sustainable cost.
sambosa75 Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Not read everyone elses comments but I dont need to because I know I am right... Cortese is brilliant. He is beligerent, brash and driven. Exactly the type of guy we need at the helm if we are serious about attaining Premier League status again within 4 years. Him flogging Matty and banning Franny leaves a bit of a sour taste but business-wise, he is totally focussed on where we are moving and making sure we achieve it properly.
Wes Tender Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 What money has Liebherr INVESTED apart from the discounted purchase price of the club? ( Spending profits doesn't count ) You continue to disparage the sum spent by Liebherr in buying the club as somehow not equating to investment in your eyes and then you infer that others are a bit thick for being thankful that Liebherr deigned to put his hand in his pocket to save our bacon when nobody else was prepared to do it. Why do you seem incapable of grasping this? Are you somehow retarded yourself? And presumably by stating that spending profits doesn't count, you are acknowledging that the club is operating at a profit, despite the expenditure on players who are generally reckoned to be the best in the division, something that we were not able to afford under the former regimes. Therefore I'm inclined to think that Cortese is doing a great job. If you don't like it, then go into your little corner and have a good sulk.
Ponty Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Manji...what a c***!! Seriously. You really mean all that?! To be fair, your consistent. You've always posted sh*t & have the opinion of a conplete c**k!! Maybe you'd be happy then if your partner had a baby & was told to come back to work immediately or face being sacked?! Hardly legal either. That's assuming you like girls. Maybe not. You're certainly up Cortese's arse! Wind it in a bit, please, GM. That's some infractionable stuff right there.
Frank's cousin Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Jeez... this still going round and round? Ok twopeneth worth - cant resist. We seem to have developed this model chairman that we feel is suiatble for 'our' club. What we seem to forget is a couple of important things. 1. Whatever cliched crap fans like to talk about 'its in my blood' and its OUR club and the 'club is its fans' etc, there may be a few who actually believe this, but for teh vast majority of supporters we CHOSE to follow and support saints for a variety of reasons, but the important point is that its our choice. 2. The game has always evolved: from the old days of working men and players catching the bus with fans and local supporters often supporting ALL local sides, through the invention of the 'strife' by disaffected morons in te late sixties and 70s, to teh hooli in the 80s and to teh corporate machine it is today - advantges are that it cleaned up teh game to soem extent making it more attractive to a wider range of fans (although some dinosaurs obviously despise this) but its also means the costs have sadly closed the door to others. 3. The prem and sky revenues at the top as distorted the wage to revenue standards throughout the leagues - with it being almost impossible to compete in terms of quality players and associated wages within the normal revenue range - in effect without debt or benefactor - for years we never had one, so only saw profits reinvested, yet thought constantly bleeted on like a bunch of crying schoolgirls that teh club should invest more... no one has ever answered rationally about whose sh*t was going to miraculously change into greenback, but thats fans for you.... yet we hated Lowe because of it. Lets be honest, has he splashed cash from whatever source on players we loved, all teh other personality baggae would have been forgotten about - whatever some say now. 4. So we come to the crunch. We EXPECT promotion and investment in the team. We expect success because we are stable and have a rich owner who has stated we need to live within our means - yet how do we pay for that success? through our revenue, yet we moan about the ticket price.... what do we want more, success or cheap seats because you cant have both, not any more. Yes every so often a club does a Beyer Leverkusen and gets success because by soem miracle they have a decent crop of youngsters and a new manager who havae snuck under teh rader and have a good season... only to teh be decimated as tehy are raided by the 'big' (richer or more prepared to be in debt) clubs... and its over for another generation... we need to get used to that as well... 5. So what do we expect of NC FFS, why the need to like him? He is doing a job, from what I can see he is ambitious and wants success but not at any price and is not prepared to compromise his approach because of a minority of displeased fans... sure you can argue that keeping customers happy is part of any successful business strategy, but lets be honest, what eally keeps teh MAJORITY happy? will anyone really give a flying feck about ST dates and payment systems, or rumours and gossip about unhappy staff and the big long list from the whinging few if we win promotion and get some success? NO Yes there will be a few perrenniel 'what have the Roman's ever done for us' typees especially on here, for whom even if the famous Lucy and FOC oral pleasure at half time would still have them complaining if NC had not 'invested' in it personally.... Come on, some of you whinge like a bunch of kids - nothing is ever good enough. Mistakes in our eyes about communication are fair comment, during a quite time footballing wise, but some of the 'mistakes' dragged up are really just approaches we are not familiar with or just dont like and there is a big difference... Bring on teh games, goals, points and the numbers complaining will shrink to a few sad few...
Joensuu Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Actually, if this was a poll, might the result be conclusive enough to stop the tiny band of anti-Cortese nutters from spouting any more ****? On second thoughts I'm sure one of them would soon start up a new thread about how Cortese dared to visit the training pitch, or how he is rumoured to have bribed the medical staff to 'fail' Calderon just to spite Pardew, or some other completely fabricated, club-undermining nonsense. Stu, Stanley (etc), why not go back to Fratton if you hate the Saints so much?
Block 5 Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Dear oh dear. This has all become rather tedious hasn't it?
Thedelldays Posted 15 July, 2010 Posted 15 July, 2010 Dear oh dear. This has all become rather tedious hasn't it? Stus complaining at the "im alright jack" atitude is quite funny.. he was "alright" when bragging about getting 30 JPT final tickets..which he bragged was far more than he was entitled to (im sure he will say something different) his response to those not happy about the JPT ticket surchage was "stop moaning you girls" (or words to that effect) im sure upon reading this, he will send me YET ANOTHER PM asking to meet up for a "chat" to sort this matter out.. this place is like an obsessive soap opera.....for years we hoped for a chairman we never heard from and who did thing professionally etc...now we have one, all SOME can do is ***** about him...old habits die hard I guess
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