Dave Benson Phillips Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 But how many of those who don't have a problem with high prices go to game regularly? Out of the vocal ones on this forum? Not many.
SNSUN Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 I'd rather see Cortese in that directors box than Lowe. I think a few of his decisions have raised eyebrows, but on the whole it's tough to fault him - he wants results, he wants promotion, and he won't stop until we get them.
Weston Saint Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Cortese will be judged on results within the business model including on the field success. He has taken up sorting out the whole business structure, not an easy task since the mess of feuding past directors and Administration. He has come in as a new broom and whilst he has sound and successful business experience he does lack the English Football business experience. Normally that would not be a problem as he would rely on the wise counsel of others within the club structure on such matters. However he seems to be so focussed on making the business self sufficient that he may not fully take on that counsel and that is a weakness that can cause issues. It is clear that he and Pardew do not see eye to eye. Pardew underestimated his single mindedness last season and nearly lost his job. He will be more careful this season but if you tie a Manager down too much and not give him room to do what he thinks best trouble will follow. He is mindful of the fan base and will not upset the majority but in achieving his aims within the business model there will be some of the minority who will feel aggrieved and he may lose their support for the club. The lateness in withdrawing the Instalment plan is really unforgivable even if the withdrawal itself has merit. He will be a risk taker, innovative, single minded and arrogant and will not let what he perceives as fools or under achievers getting in his way. Some of these are often strengths in business but in my opinion a lack of humility is a weakness that could damage the relationship with those good people in the club and hinder progress. Time will tell. He is still finding his feet. In short he needs to continue to be strong, innovative but with humility. Get the balance right and we will go places with him at the front. Just my opinion, you understand.
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 To say he has done brilliant is complete nonsense. If he had done brilliant we would be in the Championship having sold 20K season tickets.
Gator Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 not in a position to be critical. I have a club to support in 2010 and this apparently is thanks to Cortese. Do what you want old boy!
SparkySaint Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 No not irrelevant. Extremely relevant. I think the only real mistake he has made is falling out with the Echo. Negative press has led to a lot of "issues" that have been raised on here. Work is being done in the most important areas of the club i.e Youth system. Everyone see things differently though and is entitled to their own opinion.
Alejam Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Above is a prime example of the 'Blind Love' that I speak of so much. Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant Brilliant!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol:
musesaint Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Opinion seems to be divided between users on here as to how good a job they think Cortese is doing here, so perhaps we could have a poll just to see the general consensus on the subject? I know it's "yet another Cortese thread", but it would be interesting to see the actual percentages of people's opinions rather than just DBP rants. Poll options: Brilliant - I have 100% confidence in him Going well, but some decisions have worried me slightly Okay, but generally not a fan of him Poor, would prefer that somebody else took over Awful, Cortese out FFS! No Opinion Staggering! Opinion is divided??? Yes there are a very few critical fans who like to make lot of noise The majority are 100% behind him ...and thank God that the Pinnacle fiasco fell through
Fitzhugh Fella Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 I believe FF warned us over the difference of a privately owned enterprise - the above pretty much sums that up. But I'd much rather he continued focussing on the really important issues first instead of blowing flowers up our ass and pampering to the whim of the fans. I quite like his no nonsense less b*llsh1t approach. He'll come good on the other issuesand we can all have a love in again Indeed I did, and I took flak. The man is answerable to no one except Liebherr and we must accept that good and bad. Perhaps the missing link is a really astute Director of Football who knows the English game and the expectations of the English fans. Cortese would be foolish to alienate the true fans with bad PR, he is no fool, but he doesn't do humble either and sometimes a bit of humility gets you through.
niceandfriendly Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Wonderful job. We finally have owners/a management scheme who are doing things positively in a sensible business like way. The fact that we even have this thread shows that far far too many people on here (or perhaps on a larger scale as well) are ungrateful and demand way too much. We're so lucky to have Markus and Nicola. It's ****ing great to be honest.
Third Division South Days Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 I've noticed that the obsessionals on this Forum go very quiet for a few days following any positive news coming out of the club(i.e the signing of Richardson). Some of the posters appear to have progressed from understandable critiscism to organizing a hate campaign. We're not yet back to the RL vitriol but it's certainly building. As I understand it if NC walks so will ML which would be a shame because I for one hope to enjoy the ride for the next 5 years at least.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 I've noticed that the obsessionals on this Forum go very quiet for a few days following any positive news coming out of the club(i.e the signing of Richardson). Some of the posters appear to have progressed from understandable critiscism to organizing a hate campaign. We're not yet back to the RL vitriol but it's certainly building. As I understand it if NC walks so will ML which would be a shame because I for one hope to enjoy the ride for the next 5 years at least. Do you HONESTLY think that if Cortese leaves then Liebherr will right off the £20m or so he has invested and walk away, without even getting to where he needed to be to gain a return on his investment? Liebherr is not in it for sh!ts and giggles, he is here to make money. He won't walk away because one of his employees says he is leaving. Even if he does, he still has to sell the club one...
wightman35 Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Indeed I did, and I took flak. The man is answerable to no one except Liebherr and we must accept that good and bad. Perhaps the missing link is a really astute Director of Football who knows the English game and the expectations of the English fans. Cortese would be foolish to alienate the true fans with bad PR, he is no fool, but he doesn't do humble either and sometimes a bit of humility gets you through. Weston Saint (post 55) and your comments sum it up nicely. Without Cortese we would not have Liebherr, I am told, so that is worth my vote.
SuperMikey Posted 14 July, 2010 Author Posted 14 July, 2010 Do you HONESTLY think that if Cortese leaves then Liebherr will right off the £20m or so he has invested and walk away, without even getting to where he needed to be to gain a return on his investment? Liebherr is not in it for sh!ts and giggles, he is here to make money. He won't walk away because one of his employees says he is leaving. Even if he does, he still has to sell the club one... It's widely known that Liebherr said he'd only embark on the purchase of SFC if Cortese was his right hand man in running the club. I'm fairly sure if NC decided to go, for whatever reason, that ML would look to move on.
Genk Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Have no issues with his running of the club. Some might not like his style but hey ho, i doubt he signed up for a Mr popularity contest when he took on the job! This ^^. At the end of the day he is running a business and making business decisions. Nothing to complain about, the club is in a fantastic state and loving every moment of it.
Third Division South Days Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Do you HONESTLY think that if Cortese leaves then Liebherr will right off the £20m or so he has invested and walk away, without even getting to where he needed to be to gain a return on his investment? Liebherr is not in it for sh!ts and giggles, he is here to make money. He won't walk away because one of his employees says he is leaving. Even if he does, he still has to sell the club one... No I think they will walk together. The 5 year plan becomes sell the club plan. Remember they bought a bargain and they could probably walk away now and at least break even.
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 It's widely known that Liebherr said he'd only embark on the purchase of SFC if Cortese was his right hand man in running the club. I'm fairly sure if NC decided to go, for whatever reason, that ML would look to move on. And lose £20m in the process?? Really??
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Weston Saint (post 55) and your comments sum it up nicely. Without Cortese we would not have Liebherr, I am told, so that is worth my vote. Interesting the amount of "ITK" and connected posters who suggest that Cortese has quite a few character flaws which should be amended in order for SFC and the supporters to move forward successfully together. Steve, Ron and Duncan to name but three.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 And lose £20m in the process?? Really?? why would he lose anything..? he could start to recoup what he has put in..he could sell the club to a "faraj" type...
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 No I think they will walk together. The 5 year plan becomes sell the club plan. Remember they bought a bargain and they could probably walk away now and at least break even. And even then the club would be in a fantastic position.
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 why would he lose anything..? he could start to recoup what he has put in..he could sell the club to a "faraj" type... Doesn't really sound like the sort of Liebherr that has been portrayed now does it.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Interesting the amount of "ITK" and connected posters who suggest that Cortese has quite a few character flaws which should be amended in order for SFC and the supporters to move forward successfully together. Steve, Ron and Duncan to name but three. I wonder how open abramovic is with chelsea fans...have you ever heard him speak...? I wonder who does not have character flaws.. ffs
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Doesn't really sound like the sort of Liebherr that has been portrayed now does it. and what was that and by who exactly..?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 I wonder how open abramovic is with chelsea fans...have you ever heard him speak...? I wonder who does not have character flaws.. ffs I'm not asking for a personal message. Look if you don't think that some things should have been explained and more notice given for other decisions then you need your head testing. All people are doing is pointing out the fairly obvious character flaws which are p*ssing off a good percentage of the fans. Why is that wrong?
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 why would he lose anything..? he could start to recoup what he has put in..he could sell the club to a "faraj" type... Well he won't walk away then will he... he might sell up... so be it, we will still be in a healthy position and he will not sell up Gaydamak stylee to any fake arab that comes along... he has one of the most respected family names in the world to look after. Liebherr might well be a billionaire, but that means absolutely fook all because he and Cortese have said the club will live within it's means and be self-sufficient.
saintsmike25 Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 He's done well as a chairman, but he just needs to be a bit better with the communication side.
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 and what was that and by who exactly..? We have gone over this TDD. If you wish to look at past business done by Liebherr along with interviews with Cortese then you will find your answer.
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 100% Extremely foolish position to take IMO. Blind faith leaves you open to be exploited.
SuperMikey Posted 14 July, 2010 Author Posted 14 July, 2010 And lose £20m in the process?? Really?? What, you think he'd sell the club for 20p or something? NC and ML have increased the value of this club immensely after wiping out the debts and assembling an esteemed playing and coaching staff, i'm sure if they wanted to pack up and leave tomorrow (God forbid!) that they'd be able to recoup their money at least.
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Well he won't walk away then will he... he might sell up... so be it, we will still be in a healthy position and he will not sell up Gaydamak stylee to any fake arab that comes along... he has one of the most respected family names in the world to look after. Liebherr might well be a billionaire, but that means absolutely fook all because he and Cortese have said the club will live within it's means and be self-sufficient. Exactly. TDD knows this as well, he is just disagreeing with me because he likes an argument.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 We have gone over this TDD. If you wish to look at past business done by Liebherr along with interviews with Cortese then you will find your answer. does he say is a lovely and friendly chap etc..? what did he say that backs up your point that it would not be liebhers way..?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 What, you think he'd sell the club for 20p or something? NC and ML have increased the value of this club immensely after wiping out the debts and assembling an esteemed playing and coaching staff, i'm sure if they wanted to pack up and leave tomorrow (God forbid!) that they'd be able to recoup their money at least. Erm I think that was Stu's point...
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 does he say is a lovely and friendly chap etc..? what did he say that backs up your point that it would not be liebhers way..? OK TDD, does he sound like the type of man to sell us down the river? When you hear about him going to sleep with a smile on his face? When you see him at the JPT final with his camera? When you hear about his business ethos? When you realise the family name he has and how he clearly would not harm its good name by heaping bad PR on himself? Don't be a tool.
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 OK TDD, does he sound like the type of man to sell us down the river? When you hear about him going to sleep with a smile on his face? When you see him at the JPT final with his camera? When you hear about his business ethos? When you realise the family name he has and how he clearly would not harm its good name by heaping bad PR on himself? Don't be a tool. He's a businessman, he would sell to whoever offered the most money - it's that simple.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 OK TDD, does he sound like the type of man to sell us down the river? When you hear about him going to sleep with a smile on his face? When you see him at the JPT final with his camera? When you hear about his business ethos? When you realise the family name he has and how he clearly would not harm its good name by heaping bad PR on himself? Don't be a tool. "sleep with a smile on his face"...have you ever thought that comments like that are said to humour the fans..? as for being the type...I have no idea..I have no idea of what goes on in his head, what he is personally like at negotiating...seriously, you just see a smiliing fat man and think he is some sort of softy...we have no idea what he is like what was he like in his last TV interview..? where are your cries to be "communicated" by markus..?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 He's a businessman, he would sell to whoever offered the most money - it's that simple. Even if that group then bankrupted the club, generating bad PR for globally renowned family name?
Third Division South Days Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 And even then the club would be in a fantastic position. Very true but I would like to see how far ML is going to take us and surely we see the state of other clubs who have been taken over and not for the better. All we would need is a new owner who takes over with borrowed money for instance.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Even if that group then bankrupted the club, generating bad PR for globally renowned family name? selling say a division 3 team to someone who turns out to be a *****...is harldy going to make his lose that much sleep....come on was is "global news"..real headline stuff when he took over..?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 "sleep with a smile on his face"...have you ever thought that comments like that are said to humour the fans..? as for being the type...I have no idea..I have no idea of what goes on in his head, what he is personally like at negotiating...seriously, you just see a smiliing fat man and think he is some sort of softy...we have no idea what he is like what was he like in his last TV interview..? where are your cries to be "communicated" by markus..? Markus is not the chairman of SFC. Markus has not made questionable decisions with no explanation being given. Do you think, even if he is a hard nosed businessman that he would risk tarnishing his family name by selling to someone who promptly ruins the club? Of course I cannot know for absolute certain but he appears to be a much more professional and intelligent businessman to do that.
aintforever Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Even if that group then bankrupted the club, generating bad PR for globally renowned family name? He could sell to anyone, Gaydamak, Chanrai or Gadafi's son - it would be the people who he sold it to who would have any bad PR if the club then went bankrupt - it wouldn't make the slightest difference to Leibherr's name.
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Very true but I would like to see how far ML is going to take us and surely we see the state of other clubs who have been taken over and not for the better. All we would need is a new owner who takes over with borrowed money for instance. I don't want Markus or Cortese to leave. I want Cortese to realise where he is going wrong and amend his attitude accordingly. Even questionable decisions and p*ssing off ex players can be excused by me if we get explanations for the most basic things (installment plans, lack of programmes at last home game, pre season tour etc etc).
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Markus is not the chairman of SFC. Markus has not made questionable decisions with no explanation being given. Do you think, even if he is a hard nosed businessman that he would risk tarnishing his family name by selling to someone who promptly ruins the club? Of course I cannot know for absolute certain but he appears to be a much more professional and intelligent businessman to do that. how does he appear more professional..? tell us what you know about him then in detail.. of course, you are just using throw away lines that sound great.. seriously, lets say Cortese represents markus..?....why dont you demand to hear from markus about the your feelings on cortese mis-managing things..? after all..markus put the ***** in place....right..?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 He could sell to anyone, Gaydamak, Chanrai or Gadafi's son - it would be the people who he sold it to who would have any bad PR if the club then went bankrupt - it wouldn't make the slightest difference to Leibherr's name. Tell that to Sasha.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 Tell that to Sasha. has sasha gaydmack been effected globally by this...??? where is this shown..?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 how does he appear more professional..? tell us what you know about him then in detail.. of course, you are just using throw away lines that sound great.. seriously, lets say Cortese represents markus..?....why dont you demand to hear from markus about the your feelings on cortese mis-managing things..? after all..markus put the ***** in place....right..? He is the owner of a massively successful company who has earnt his money legitimately and built up his business on the principal of having no doubt. He is clearly professional. Cortese does not represent Markus because Markus has nothing to do with the running of the club. I have a problem with the attitude of Cortese.
Thedelldays Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 He is the owner of a massively successful company who has earnt his money legitimately and built up his business on the principal of having no doubt. He is clearly professional. Cortese does not represent Markus because Markus has nothing to do with the running of the club. I have a problem with the attitude of Cortese. you really think Cortese does not represent markus..? who does represent markus then..who answers to him...?
hypochondriac Posted 14 July, 2010 Posted 14 July, 2010 has sasha gaydmack been effected globally by this...??? where is this shown..? Sasha is a corrupt businessman. The Liebherr family is much more respected than the Gaydamak family. If SFC went bust it would generate bad press for them no doubt about it. It would not be welcomed I am sure. You are dull now TDD. Go away.
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