RedAndWhite91 Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 Went down there this morning to get our STs, couldn't get 3 together in Block 42. Had to go in Block 41 which is still pretty full. Seems to be going well in the Northam, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 Went down there this morning to get our STs, couldn't get 3 together in Block 42. Had to go in Block 41 which is still pretty full. Seems to be going well in the Northam, Despite many opinions to the contrary on here, I actually think the number of STs will be up on last year, and maybe significantly so. We will have lost a few fans through the lack of installment plan etc but I think the prospects of our season plus non-option of the half-season ticket could well mean that we'll push on for 15K season ticket holders. I personally know of at least 5 people who have bought their first full ST this year, and still hope to do the same myself before the season kicks off. But I've also previously said that I don't think the club will actually publish the number sold, so perhaps we'll never know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 But I've also previously said that I don't think the club will actually publish the number sold, so perhaps we'll never know Well the only way to really find out is for every non-ST holder to boycott a match, then when the attendance is announced we know how many ST holders we have. Seemples P.S. Mods can we have an Alexander emoticon?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 Despite many opinions to the contrary on here, I actually think the number of STs will be up on last year, and maybe significantly so. We will have lost a few fans through the lack of installment plan etc but I think the prospects of our season plus non-option of the half-season ticket could well mean that we'll push on for 15K season ticket holders. I personally know of at least 5 people who have bought their first full ST this year, and still hope to do the same myself before the season kicks off. But I've also previously said that I don't think the club will actually publish the number sold, so perhaps we'll never know There will be those that counteract that by buying more than you would normally, I have only ever bought one before but this season I have two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 There will be those that counteract that by buying more than you would normally, I have only ever bought one before but this season I have two I think you may be in the minority there. I personally know of several families that have opted for less or even zero renewals and will now cherry pick their games. And no matter what your view is on Stu's opinions, you cannot argue with the fact that once someboby has stopped being a ST holder :- a/ they will go to a lot less games per season, and b/ once they've found they can survive without a footie fix every other weekend, they will not be banging down the doors next year to renew either. Obviously IF we reach the Big Time of The Prem again, it may become a viable option again, as the chances of getting a ticket when it suits is far less likely to happen. Maybe The Club are looking much further afield and will keep renewals at a realistic rate (with or without installments!!) but "newbys'will be hit. Financially good business for The Club IF we do well. People will turn up to see a winning team, and a sniff of promotion will add thousands each week. Who knows a Goodwill half season ticket (perfect Xmas gift) might yet appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 I reckon they'll release the final amount sold, but nothing until then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 I reckon they'll release the final amount sold, but nothing until then. Certainly no need for a "Hurry Hurry"selling like hot cakes, get yours before it's too late" rallying call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 15 July, 2010 Share Posted 15 July, 2010 I have no doubt that if Saints have a good season Cortese's plan of having fewer Season Ticket holders will make the club more money. No Saints fan under 40 has a clue what it's like to be at the top of the league, I think a lot of people will be surprised at the size of our crowds IF we run away with the league. Don't forget, we effortlessly sold close to 50K tickets for the country's least glamourous cup final against one of the country's least glamourous teams. Just because we might make more money doesn't make the way the fans have been treated is right though. Crowds will go up, that much is obvious but who's to say that total average crowds would have been bigger if we had got more ST holders? Unless the stadium is sold out ever game its not a case of swapping a season ticket holder for a buyer of 23 individual games. A season ticket holder that reverts to paying every week will go to far less games, so average attendances actually go down if season ticket holders don't renew. As I said attendance will rise because of us winning but IMO attendances would have risen more with a bigger ST holder base and total income may well have been higher despite the lower seat price for ST holders. We will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 16 July, 2010 Share Posted 16 July, 2010 I think you may be in the minority there. I personally know of several families that have opted for less or even zero renewals and will now cherry pick their games. And no matter what your view is on Stu's opinions, you cannot argue with the fact that once someboby has stopped being a ST holder :- a/ they will go to a lot less games per season, and b/ once they've found they can survive without a footie fix every other weekend, they will not be banging down the doors next year to renew either. Obviously IF we reach the Big Time of The Prem again, it may become a viable option again, as the chances of getting a ticket when it suits is far less likely to happen. Maybe The Club are looking much further afield and will keep renewals at a realistic rate (with or without installments!!) but "newbys'will be hit. Financially good business for The Club IF we do well. People will turn up to see a winning team, and a sniff of promotion will add thousands each week. Who knows a Goodwill half season ticket (perfect Xmas gift) might yet appear. I love it when people say this to suit their argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 16 July, 2010 Share Posted 16 July, 2010 (edited) I love it when people say this to suit their argument I assume you have also taken the time to comment on the dozens of people that have posted about " Their friend has bought a ticket for the first time " etc ? Looking on this thread, you have nailed your colours firmly on the mast, shouting people down and insisting our first 5 home games this season will attract a higher attendance than the 5 games last season. Willing to put your money where your mouth is? Edited 16 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 16 July, 2010 Share Posted 16 July, 2010 There will be those that counteract that by buying more than you would normally, I have only ever bought one before but this season I have two Did you put on that much weight in SA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffy Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2096359,00.html Over 13K according to OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 You would be very lucky if season ticket sales are half of 15000 we are lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Looks like they got the ST sales campaign spot on. With ticket sales moving onto 14k plus allthose fans that have committed to going on a match by match basis, we should have bumper crowds at the start of the season. Come January, if we're in a good position, I can see a sell out happening week in, week out. It would be a shame if some miss out that are going on a match by match basis, but, save up for next season and join us in the Champioship, fingers crossed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 a lower pricing would have attracted more new season ticket holders. other than that think we will have reasonable retention levels Will you admit you were wrong if season tickets are not at the expected level? ( I think we all agree that with our position and favourites for the league, we should have a significantly higher season ticket base ) ? will you admit you are wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~2096359,00.html Over 13K according to OS. But don't forget these numbers have been swelled by the players having to buy season tickets so that they are assured of getting into the ground on matchday and stand a chance of being picked for the starting XI Pulis's application is still in the pending tray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 a lower pricing would have attracted more new season ticket holders. other than that think we will have reasonable retention levels My guess is that we will sell roughly same as we did pre-season last season. If we do sell, say half the amount, then clearly I would be wrong! matching last year's 13,000 with 3 weeks to go is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 a lower pricing would have attracted more new season ticket holders. other than that think we will have reasonable retention levels Season ticket sales are now well past the 13,000 mark, far in excess of the total number from last year which also included half season ticket sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 what did dave/stu say we would get for midweek game - 8,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 will you admit you are wrong? Do you think that having 1500 extra Season tickets is a success and significantly more than last season? Dress it up and cream yourself as much as you want, come Xmas we will have about the same STH's as what we had last season. Well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 apology accepted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 what did dave/stu say we would get for midweek game - 8,000? Actual people attending or the 'official' figures that include season ticket holders who didn't show up? Given it's cheaper for people who attend on a regular basis to buy a season ticket (even more so this year) I'm sure there will be plenty who won't turn up to every game, especially the unglamourous midweek ones. Gosh. I'm defending Stu! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Do you think that having 1500 extra Season tickets is a success and significantly more than last season? Dress it up and cream yourself as much as you want, come Xmas we will have about the same STH's as what we had last season. Well done. With 3 weeks to go and you saying we wouldnt get anywhere near last season I would just graciously accept you were wrong to be honest. I'm surprised cos I felt, to a degree like yourself, that the club weren't pushing them enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 what did dave/stu say we would get for midweek game - 8,000? Is your whole life about trying to prove me wrong? You need to get a life and get out more. For a start, I will take them figures with a pinch of salt released, secondly I think SMS will look alot more empty than whatever attendance is given at the Daggers game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Do you think that having 1500 extra Season tickets is a success and significantly more than last season? For Cortese, yes, it is a success because he sees the club being more self sufficient if there is a balance between number of season ticket holders and number of PAYGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Is your whole life about trying to prove me wrong? You need to get a life and get out more. For a start, I will take them figures with a pinch of salt released, secondly I think SMS will look alot more empty than whatever attendance is given at the Daggers game. no, just a guilty pleasure (and quite easy) after all the personal abuse and insults you dish out. ok, accept your point - you can't be wrong saints are lying when they say tickets sales are significantly higher than this time last season! I thought they might be because without advertising..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 With 3 weeks to go and you saying we wouldnt get anywhere near last season I would just graciously accept you were wrong to be honest. I'm surprised cos I felt, to a degree like yourself, that the club weren't pushing them enough. O.K I will quite happily put my hands up and say that the club has sold more season tickets than I estimated. ( This is if them figures are true ) . Although they SHOULD have been selling 20,000 with the right marketing. 13,000 season tickets when we are nailed on to win the league is not a success in my opinion... or anywhere near. I still think our average attendances will be around the same/less than last season. That will be the judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modern matron Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Do you think that having 1500 extra Season tickets is a success and significantly more than last season? Dress it up and cream yourself as much as you want, come Xmas we will have about the same STH's as what we had last season. Well done. What are you moaning about? Increased season ticket sales indicates success. Very strange....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 no, just a guilty pleasure (and quite easy) after all the personal abuse and insults you dish out. ok, accept your point - you can't be wrong saints are lying when they say tickets sales are significantly higher than this time last season! I thought they might be because without advertising..... They blatantly lied about the installment plans, so excuse me if I take these figures with a pinch of salt. But you will see that I stated I was slightly wrong with regards to the figures. Not a big deal and wouldn't start creaming yourself because we have 1500 extra Season Tickets when we should have had 20k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 What are you moaning about? Increased season ticket sales indicates success. Very strange....... Does it? Really? When we had next to no chance of winning the league or even getting in the playoffs last season, only a 2 week window to sell the season tickets in comparison to this season when we are red hot favourites to win the league and the club could have marketed and sold the tickets since April? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefunkygibbons Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Seriously any way you spin it 13,000 is a glass half full Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torsaint Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Suspect we will have several 30000 crowds this season then. Anyone care to speculate how many? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 very much down to performance now, if we underperform it won't be much higher than season tickets, go on winning run and think we will have pretty full stadium for several games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Suspect we will have several 30000 crowds this season then. Anyone care to speculate how many? No more than 3. ( Bournemouth and last 2 of the season ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chin Strain Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 7,500 was a bit of an exaggeration. Its not just the installments though is it... there is another half a dozen or so reasons why people will not renew this year. I would strongly advise you to wait until the start of the season before calling me daft. :-) By the time the season starts, we will have around 9-10,000 season tickets. Slightly less than what we had last year ( half season tickets dont count at this stage ). So, just to be clear, you were wrong. Badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 They blatantly lied about the installment plans, so excuse me if I take these figures with a pinch of salt. But you will see that I stated I was slightly wrong with regards to the figures. Not a big deal and wouldn't start creaming yourself because we have 1500 extra Season Tickets when we should have had 20k 20K season tickets in division 3? You're having a laugh. We have already exceeded your expectations with still 3 weeks to go, now you are twisting things to suit your own argument. Here is a list of the first 5 games last season, keep an eye on the figures and see if we don't beat these, however if the attendances are higher you will no doubt say they are fictitious should they be higher Millwall: 20,101 Brentford: 19,169 Colchester: 17,070 Yeovil: 19,907 Bristol R: 19,724 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 They blatantly lied about the installment plans, so excuse me if I take these figures with a pinch of salt. But you will see that I stated I was slightly wrong with regards to the figures. Not a big deal and wouldn't start creaming yourself because we have 1500 extra Season Tickets when we should have had 20k Originally Posted by Dave Benson Phillips You would be very lucky if season ticket sales are half of 15000 Moving goalposts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Originally Posted by Dave Benson Phillips You would be very lucky if season ticket sales are half of 15000 Moving goalposts?? Selective post there, look at the posts above, I clearly stated that was exaggerated. I estimated 10k and the STH's are 13k Hardly a million miles out, but don't let that stop you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I assume you have also taken the time to comment on the dozens of people that have posted about " Their friend has bought a ticket for the first time " etc ? Looking on this thread, you have nailed your colours firmly on the mast, shouting people down and insisting our first 5 home games this season will attract a higher attendance than the 5 games last season. Willing to put your money where your mouth is? Ha ha yip nailed my colours to the mast, looks like you was wrong AGAIN. Check my post above about the first 5 games then come back and admit you was wrong when the attendances are higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Why is it selective? You posted it and there is no way that you twist the words to make the meaning different. It`s not my fault that you are posting so many different points using the "scatter-gun effect" so that you can also be selective with your own quotes. Just pick on the ones that seem to suit whatever your particular argument is today and ignore the ones that don`t. It works both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Ha ha yip nailed my colours to the mast, looks like you was wrong AGAIN. Check my post above about the first 5 games then come back and admit you was wrong when the attendances are higher. You were a bit slow there I have been waiting for Post for Twenty Minutes osr so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Selective post there, look at the posts above, I clearly stated that was exaggerated. I estimated 10k and the STH's are 13k Hardly a million miles out, but don't let that stop you... 30% higher than your expectations with 3 weeks to go, not a million miles no but certainly way above your estimation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Highly qualified, highly successful and highly experienced businessmen right, "University of Life" squaddie turned insurance salesman Stuey wrong. Who would have thought it? ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Selective post there, look at the posts above, I clearly stated that was exaggerated. I estimated 10k and the STH's are 13k Hardly a million miles out, but don't let that stop you... However I believe you lost the bet where I said we would have more than last year. Or are you going to come up with some excuse as to why you have not lost the bet?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Stu's estimations were wrong, but the fact remains the club handled things badly with the removal of the payment plan at short notice and no matter how you dress it up just over 13k season tickets is hardly a dramatic rise and one that would be totally expected given the change in quality of the side fans will come to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Stu's estimations were wrong, but the fact remains the club handled things badly with the removal of the payment plan at short notice and no matter how you dress it up just over 13k season tickets is hardly a dramatic rise and one that would be totally expected given the change in quality of the side fans will come to watch. I think people are more interested and coming in at me than looking at the big picture. I might have estimated that sales will be slightly less, and infact they are slightly more, but as you say, it should have been alot more than that and its hardly a dramatic rise considering the change in our fortunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgie Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I think people are more interested and coming in at me than looking at the big picture. I might have estimated that sales will be slightly less, and infact they are slightly more, but as you say, it should have been alot more than that and its hardly a dramatic rise considering the change in our fortunes. And the bet?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 Selective post there, look at the posts above, I clearly stated that was exaggerated. I estimated 10k and the STH's are 13k Hardly a million miles out, but don't let that stop you... I reckon being 30% out is a pretty huge gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 I think people are more interested and coming in at me than looking at the big picture. I might have estimated that sales will be slightly less, and infact they are slightly more, but as you say, it should have been alot more than that and its hardly a dramatic rise considering the change in our fortunes. People can see the bigger picture hence the upload in season ticket sales. You cannot grasp the fact that we have higher sales and we still have 17 days to go before the end of sales. Your estimation was well down, not slightly as you put it, you can dress it up all you want Dave but we have sold more than the last few seasons and that is fact. Whether you like it or not the fans will only come back if we are successful, seems we are expecting some success this season with the sales at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 July, 2010 Share Posted 20 July, 2010 You would be very lucky if season ticket sales are half of 15000 They won't announce season ticket numbers until August 9th... the last thing they want is more publicity reminding people they can buy one! LOL You have not got a clue. A typical example of our retarded support is shown in your post. I am happy to put my hands up, say sorry and admit I am wrong if SFC have sold a significant amount more season tickets next season. Is it unreasonable to ask the same of the people who have rubbished everything I have said? how many times has the great big expert in everything stu been right..? not many.. I reckon being 30% out is a pretty huge gap. im sure if the sales were 30% the other way he would be letting us all know about how he predicted this. lol at stu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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