Bumped into Mr Fulthorpe yesterday...

[Gemmel]

If that is the case, and I've no reason to believe or disbelieve it, it's a totally reasonable approach, IMO. Why get everyone's hopes up by going back into a bid situation if it's only going to turn out that they've not actually got the money?

 

Agreed. I am no fan of lowe, but given the history regarding supposed takeovers, it's the right way to approach it. (If that is the situation)

[saint1977]

Crikey - a sensible takeover thread! Whatever next?

[up and away]

You can forget the original plan, that will never see the light of day. What I believe we can expect is some form of activity the closer we get to administration or beyond. But I cannot see enough funds to even get us back to our current footballing position.

[itchen]

Wasn't Armstrong on Radio Hampshire?

 

You're right. It was Denis Rofe.

[Pongo]

Problem here is that myself and Um Pahars were sat on the same table as JF etc at the West Ham game pre season. He said exaclty the same thing about "one bit of documentation" to be sorted and that ity would be a done deal in a couple of weeks. Here we are 2/3 months on. SO if it happens then Ill be very happy

 

What is it with Saints and weirdos? Helpmerhonda, LLS, now Johnny Fulthorpe.

[Weston Super Saint]

What is it with Saints and weirdos? Helpmerhonda, LLS, now Johnny Fulthorpe.

 

At least this one hasn't registered on here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or has he

[Wes Tender]

Frank's cousin

 

I think though whatever the rights and wrongs of the current strategy, we should see it through... further wholescale changes do little for any form of consistency. What we need to be careful of is simple - A change of ownership and nothing more is currently of no advantage to SFC - only to those who despise the current regime. Its also unlikely to happen as Wilde has stated he is unlikely or will not sell simply to change ownership, but only where there is demonstratable cash for long term security - which is fair enough in MHO

 

 

Completely agree, a change of ownership by itself will be of no benefit. The new regime need to be given a good run at getting things right and what i have seen from the first few games fills me with promise....if only some people will have some patience and not be susceptible to knee jerk reactions!!

 

It depends on how you define the new regime. Is the new regime the board or the management? If it is the board, then they never gave the previous regime any chance to prove themselves, did they? And they would only constitute a new regime by virtue that Lowe and Wilde had not worked together previously. Apart from that, they both failed when they were chairman individually, weakening any argument that they should be given some latitude now.

 

If you mean that the new management team is the new regime, then the same argument used against the board holds good here too. The previous manager had only short shrift to prove himself too. I'm tired of these arguments that somebody should be given a chance to prove themselves for the sake of stability when the current lot provoked instability by deposing the previous board and then dismissing the manager to install their own candidate.

 

As you sow, so shall you reap.

[Pongo]

At least this one hasn't registered on here.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Or has he

 

If he's anything like Wilde he'll have posted on a thread about him e.g i think MW drives the DB9 posted by er Mike Wilde. My moneys on Saint Michael.

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

If that is the case, and I've no reason to believe or disbelieve it, it's a totally reasonable approach, IMO. Why get everyone's hopes up by going back into a bid situation if it's only going to turn out that they've not actually got the money?

 

Agreed but how bloody long does it take to fax over a copy of the bank statement?!

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Can't fault his betting tips - when a 125 to 1 comes in I do owe him at least a beer.

 

Maybe this is where the funds are coming from? And why he said 'Might' be in this week? Did you see how much he placed? was it a few million?

[Ivan Katalinic's 'tache]

Fax machine is broken and we could only afford to repair it if funds had come in from Rudi joining Ipswich.

[Pongo]

Maybe this is where the funds are coming from? And why he said 'Might' be in this week? Did you see how much he placed? was it a few million?

 

A Donny fan said to me after the game "how much did you pay the referee?"

 

Many a true word is said in jest...

 

[Long Shot]

Thats an interesting read Long Shot,so thanks for posting it.I don't put your observations into the "ITK" ramblings read by any means.

 

I note the greeting from Cowan,did you notice or detect anything in Fulthorpe meeting or speaking with Lowe ?

 

I share your doubts that this JF takeover will materialise,and on reading your post the very thought of "Walter Mitty" had sprung to mind before I read it in your last paragraph.

 

Something I don't understand from whatever I've read about JF and his "consortium",is whether he and his cohorts are the takeover,or is he arranging it as an agent for a client? Given his background as a barrister in planning,development etc I've considered this a possibility,as part of a larger scheme/development of the area.

 

No doubt JF is well intentioned and sincere in his ambitions for Saints,but for me the vague prospect of the "money coming from " one of three unknown or unspecified sources is an indication of how far this in still in Dreamland rather than reality.(even allowing for him not 'wanting to divulge sources..blah,blah'.)

 

Even if he can stump up the £,you have to wonder if the emotions of a supporter running things are better for us now than someone looking at it in cold terms of stark reality and survival.(I'm no supporter of Lowe either).

 

Oh,and where does John Cousins fit in ?What is his background in this in terms of connections ?

 

A few questions.

I was actually sitting very near Mr Fulthorpe and Mr Crouch. Mr Lowe and Cowans and Mr Richards were ony a few feet away in the director's box. Andrew Cowans came over and shook everyone's hand but (as far as I noticed) Rupert Lowe did not acknowledge either man.

 

Mr Fulthorpe made it clear that he is only a representative of the so called "consortium".

 

Yes his background is planning (he has in fact just retired) and although he didn't say this I have heard from friends of his that there is some sort of development aspirations.

 

I know nothing about John Cousins other than he was there on Saturday sitting alongside JF.

 

I believe RL is onside with JF's plans but quite understandably has now said "show us your money" before progressing further and undoubtedly that is a prudent position because all we have had so far is lots of talk.

[once_bitterne]

Problem here is that myself and Um Pahars were sat on the same table as JF etc at the West Ham game pre season. He said exaclty the same thing about "one bit of documentation" to be sorted and that ity would be a done deal in a couple of weeks. Here we are 2/3 months on. SO if it happens then Ill be very happy

 

Hmmm, so Godwin could well be part of the Walter Mitty takeover team? Makes perfect sense. Him and LLS could have been seperated at birth.

[Long Shot]

Maybe this is where the funds are coming from? And why he said 'Might' be in this week? Did you see how much he placed? was it a few million?

 

 

The same as the rest of us - a tenner. They didn't have enough to pay us so have had to pop down to Ladbrokes in Shirley to claim my winnings this morning. The manager wasn't too happy parting with nearly 4 grand. Mind you I didn't feel too safe walking up Shirley High St with that much in my pocket. Shirley is a bit different from what I remember it being in the 70s.

[cambsaint]

The only comment I will make on any take-over is that apparently our fishy 'friends' are for sale for twenty to thirty million. Their debts are apparently covered by player valuations, and Nottarf Krap comes nearly free.

This suggests that our goodwill value is almost nil, and the buyers will just take over the debt, and mortgage liabilities.

 

It could therefore come quite soon if existing major shareholders are prepared to accept such an offer.

 

I can't see any sane person actually paying any goodwill.

 

 

Cambsaint

[Window Cleaner]

The only comment I will make on any take-over is that apparently our fishy 'friends' are for sale for twenty to thirty million. Their debts are apparently covered by player valuations, and Nottarf Krap comes nearly free.

This suggests that our goodwill value is almost nil, and the buyers will just take over the debt, and mortgage liabilities.

 

It could therefore come quite soon if existing major shareholders are prepared to accept such an offer.

 

I can't see any sane person actually paying any goodwill.

 

 

Cambsaint

 

I don't think it's 20 or 30 million to be honest.

[ottery st mary]

I am sure I saw Pompey for sale on ebay but to be fair Saints were in the under a tenner section.

[Window Cleaner]

. Mind you I didn't feel too safe walking up Shirley High St with that much in my pocket. Shirley is a bit different from what I remember it being in the 70s.

 

 

You mean when you could drop a fiver on the pavement on your way to work and it'd still be there when you passed by on your way home? yeah right :smt048:smt048:smt048

[ottery st mary]

Question for all you high powered money people on this forum

 

From all this financial news coming out of the USA and circulating the world, I saw a bit of financial information we could possibly use.

 

Every day more money is printed for Monopoly than the US Treasury. If this is the case all Saints supporters should pool their Monopoly money buy the club and hope Lowey and Wildey don't notice. Better than trying to pool our shares..Got to be worth a try.

[Weston Super Saint]

WSS when i said that I meant divulge any more details of the conversation - I am happy to clarify any misunderstandings and i wouldn't like people to have the impression that LC was working in tandem with JF.

 

A few questions.

I was actually sitting very near Mr Fulthorpe and Mr Crouch. Mr Lowe and Cowans and Mr Richards were ony a few feet away in the director's box. Andrew Cowans came over and shook everyone's hand but (as far as I noticed) Rupert Lowe did not acknowledge either man.

 

Mr Fulthorpe made it clear that he is only a representative of the so called "consortium".

Yes his background is planning (he has in fact just retired) and although he didn't say this I have heard from friends of his that there is some sort of development aspirations.

 

I know nothing about John Cousins other than he was there on Saturday sitting alongside JF.

 

I believe RL is onside with JF's plans but quite understandably has now said "show us your money" before progressing further and undoubtedly that is a prudent position because all we have had so far is lots of talk.

 

So in not wanting to divulge any more regarding your 'conversation', did you inadvertently 'mistype' that bit about Fulthorpe?

[trousers]

So,USA,Germany and Canada it seems are the cash cows,that's going to take some detective work,Trousers is going to be busy.

 

 

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[Weston Super Saint]

The same as the rest of us - a tenner. They didn't have enough to pay us so have had to pop down to Ladbrokes in Shirley to claim my winnings this morning. The manager wasn't too happy parting with nearly 4 grand. Mind you I didn't feel too safe walking up Shirley High St with that much in my pocket. Shirley is a bit different from what I remember it being in the 70s.

 

LOL.

 

You put £10 on a 125-1 [assuming on the nose], and walked away with four grand

 

Now I'm not Rupert's biggest fan, but with comical numbers like these, I'm not surprised he's told Fulthorpe and co to bugger off!

[bridge too far]

LOL.

 

You put £10 on a 125-1 [assuming on the nose], and walked away with four grand

 

Now I'm not Rupert's biggest fan, but with comical numbers like these, I'm not surprised he's told Fulthorpe and co to bugger off!

 

Praps he did it four times? :confused:

[stevegrant]

You put £10 on a 125-1 [assuming on the nose], and walked away with four grand

The same as the rest of us - a tenner.

That suggests to me that more than one person put a tenner on at 125/1...

[Weston Super Saint]

Praps he did it four times? :confused:

 

That suggests to me that more than one person put a tenner on at 125/1...

 

Not sure I'd want someone collecting £1250 for me

 

Oh and if four people did it, it would have been closer to £5k wouldn't it

[Window Cleaner]

Not sure I'd want someone collecting £1250 for me

 

Oh and if four people did it, it would have been closer to £5k wouldn't it

 

Did we establish the exact nature of this 125/1 miracle?? Sorry DIY'ing today, no time to keep up.

[Weston Super Saint]

Did we establish the exact nature of this 125/1 miracle?? Sorry DIY'ing today, no time to keep up.

 

"It's a Mystery" trained by Scooby and ****gy in the CITV race at 4:15pm

[Weston Saint]

Not sure I'd want someone collecting £1250 for me

 

Oh and if four people did it, it would have been closer to £5k wouldn't it

 

It was 3 people putting on a £10 bet each winning £1250 plus £10 stake = £3780

 

Not difficult really. Unless you think Long Shot is telling porkies!!!

[Weston Super Saint]

It was 3 people putting on a £10 bet each winning £1250 plus £10 stake = £3780

 

Not difficult really. Unless you think Long Shot is telling porkies!!!

 

To be fair it was meant as a flippant throw away comment regarding the maths and the fact that the money hasn't appeared for the alleged takeover.

 

But, since we are turning it into a psychological observation, the question still exists; 'would you trust someone to collect your £1250 [+ £10 stake], from the bookies for you'????

[bridge too far]

To be fair it was meant as a flippant throw away comment regarding the maths and the fact that the money hasn't appeared for the alleged takeover.

 

But, since we are turning it into a psychological observation, the question still exists; 'would you trust someone to collect your £1250 [+ £10 stake], from the bookies for you'????

 

If 'you' knew the person well, yes. So this begs the question - is LongShot a good buddy of Mr F?

 

If so, any guesses as to his identity?

[dubai_phil]

So the two people who put a bet on became 4 people and one who bumped into JF who'd never met before kept the winning ticket and collected all the money

 

Good glad that's straight then, helps make the rest of it clearer

 

:-)

 

Only joshing, but just to be sure LS - please tell us 1) you didn't take a briefcase with you at any point in the weekend and 2) weren't wearing a tank top jumper or short sleeves with a tie, 3) you aren't in the 2nd hand aircraft or construction business and 4) your first name isn't Barry and you've never tried to buy Bournemouth

[Window Cleaner]

If 'you' knew the person well, yes. So this begs the question - is LongShot a good buddy of Mr F?

 

If so, any guesses as to his identity?

 

Long Shot

Lifelong Saint

 

Bul LS hit

 

strange coincidence ehh, no offence meant gents.

[trousers]

Can't fault his betting tips - when a 125 to 1 comes in I do owe him at least a beer.

 

What was the name of the horse and at which race meeting please?

 

cheers

[Weston Super Saint]

What was the name of the horse and at which race meeting please?

 

cheers

 

"It's a Mystery" trained by Scooby and ****gy in the CITV race at 4:15pm

 

True story.

[trousers]

one sec....

[trousers]

UK Racing Results - Saturday, 27th September 2008

 

1:55 - Ascot

 

Eva's Request 12/1

Mekong Melody 12/1

Ghaidaa 11/2

Don't Forget Faith 25/1

 

2:30 - Ascot

 

Jukebox Jury 8/1

Cityscape 15/8

On Our Way 5/1

 

3:05 - Ascot

 

Rainbow View 4/7

Fantasia 7/2

Dreamtheimpossible 8/1

 

3:40 - Ascot

 

Furnace 12/1

Relative Order 9/1

We'll Come 16/1

Dhaular Dhar 16/1

 

4:15 - Ascot

 

Raven's Pass 3/1

Henrythenavigator 11/8

 

4:50 - Ascot

 

Meydan Princess 9/1

Medicea Sidera 16/1

Francesca d'Gorgio 12/1

 

5:25 - Ascot

Ascalon 11/2

Downhiller 8/1

Grande Caiman 20/1

 

2:15 - Chester

 

Purple Sage 5/4

Granny McPhee 20/1

Do The Deal 12/1

 

2:50 - Chester

 

Aldermoor 15/8

Doughnut 9/2

Just The Lady 14/1

 

3:20 - Chester

 

Hamalka 5/1

Filigree Lace 11/2

Surrealism 6/4

 

3:50 - Chester

 

Albaqaa 10/1

Upton Grey 15/2

Bowder Stone 14/1

 

4:25 - Chester

 

Guilded Warrior 9/2

Fathsta 6/1

Kay Es Jay 14/1

 

5:00 - Chester

 

Wyatt Earp 5/2

Makshoof 5/1

Methaaly 9/1

 

5:35 - Chester

 

Blimey O'Riley 11/8

Thorny Mandate 9/1

Apache Fort 7/1

 

2:25 - Haydock

 

Meshtri 11/4

Buddhist Monk 7/1

Jagger 11/1

 

3:00 - Haydock

 

Chief Editor 8/1

Barney McGrew 16/1

Lipocco 10/1

 

3:35 - Haydock

 

Judd Street 8/1

Fantasy Explorer 7/1

Quiet Elegance 18/1

 

4:05 - Haydock

 

Fallen In Love 11/8

Polly's Mark 4/1

Holamo 12/1

 

4:40 - Haydock

 

Imposing 5/2

Big Bound 7/2

Union Island 11/4

 

5:15 - Haydock

 

Princess Taylor 5/2

Encircled 11/1

Turban Heights 16/1

 

1:35 - Market Rasen

 

Maslak 9/4

Unfurled 11/4

Haddaaf 4/1

 

2:05 - Market Rasen

 

Katies Tuitor 12/1

Riguez Dancer 40/1

Truckers Delight 9/1

Sendani 11/2

 

2:40 - Market Rasen

 

Indian Groom 14/1

Black Jacari 9/4

Woolfall Treasure 7/4

 

3:15 - Market Rasen

 

Always Waining 7/1

Breaking Silence 8/1

Iron Man 14/1

 

3:55 - Market Rasen

 

My Turn Now 3/1

Lorum Leader 33/1

Commemoration Day 14/1

 

4:30 - Market Rasen

 

Mister Wiseman 15/2

Tide Slider 12/1

Scutch Mill 20/1

 

5:05 - Market Rasen

 

Frascati Park 10/11

Son of Flicka 3/1

Ardglen 11/2

[Weston Super Saint]

UK Racing Results - Saturday, 27th September 2008

 

1:55 - Ascot

 

Eva's Request 12/1

Mekong Melody 12/1

Ghaidaa 11/2

Don't Forget Faith 25/1

 

2:30 - Ascot

 

Jukebox Jury 8/1

Cityscape 15/8

On Our Way 5/1

 

3:05 - Ascot

 

Rainbow View 4/7

Fantasia 7/2

Dreamtheimpossible 8/1

 

3:40 - Ascot

 

Furnace 12/1

Relative Order 9/1

We'll Come 16/1

Dhaular Dhar 16/1

 

4:15 - Ascot

 

Raven's Pass 3/1

Henrythenavigator 11/8

 

4:50 - Ascot

 

Meydan Princess 9/1

Medicea Sidera 16/1

Francesca d'Gorgio 12/1

 

5:25 - Ascot

Ascalon 11/2

Downhiller 8/1

Grande Caiman 20/1

 

2:15 - Chester

 

Purple Sage 5/4

Granny McPhee 20/1

Do The Deal 12/1

 

2:50 - Chester

 

Aldermoor 15/8

Doughnut 9/2

Just The Lady 14/1

 

3:20 - Chester

 

Hamalka 5/1

Filigree Lace 11/2

Surrealism 6/4

 

3:50 - Chester

 

Albaqaa 10/1

Upton Grey 15/2

Bowder Stone 14/1

 

4:25 - Chester

 

Guilded Warrior 9/2

Fathsta 6/1

Kay Es Jay 14/1

 

5:00 - Chester

 

Wyatt Earp 5/2

Makshoof 5/1

Methaaly 9/1

 

5:35 - Chester

 

Blimey O'Riley 11/8

Thorny Mandate 9/1

Apache Fort 7/1

 

2:25 - Haydock

 

Meshtri 11/4

Buddhist Monk 7/1

Jagger 11/1

 

3:00 - Haydock

 

Chief Editor 8/1

Barney McGrew 16/1

Lipocco 10/1

 

3:35 - Haydock

 

Judd Street 8/1

Fantasy Explorer 7/1

Quiet Elegance 18/1

 

4:05 - Haydock

 

Fallen In Love 11/8

Polly's Mark 4/1

Holamo 12/1

 

4:40 - Haydock

 

Imposing 5/2

Big Bound 7/2

Union Island 11/4

 

5:15 - Haydock

 

Princess Taylor 5/2

Encircled 11/1

Turban Heights 16/1

 

1:35 - Market Rasen

 

Maslak 9/4

Unfurled 11/4

Haddaaf 4/1

 

2:05 - Market Rasen

 

Katies Tuitor 12/1

Riguez Dancer 40/1

Truckers Delight 9/1

Sendani 11/2

 

2:40 - Market Rasen

 

Indian Groom 14/1

Black Jacari 9/4

Woolfall Treasure 7/4

 

3:15 - Market Rasen

 

Always Waining 7/1

Breaking Silence 8/1

Iron Man 14/1

 

3:55 - Market Rasen

 

My Turn Now 3/1

Lorum Leader 33/1

Commemoration Day 14/1

 

4:30 - Market Rasen

 

Mister Wiseman 15/2

Tide Slider 12/1

Scutch Mill 20/1

 

5:05 - Market Rasen

 

Frascati Park 10/11

Son of Flicka 3/1

Ardglen 11/2

 

Hmmmmmmm.

 

So there wasn't a 125/1 shot that came in, so either :

 

1. It wasn't a race in the UK - but was still covered by Ladbrookes.

2. It was a horse that came in on an Each Way bet, therefore more than 4 people are trusting enough to collect there [almost] four grand in winnings.

3. Once again it's all make believe.

 

[bridge too far]

Gosh Trousers! You know how to do the biz, for sure.

 

I don't ever remember hearing of odds of 125/1. Longest odds I recall are 100/1?

 

Or do I mix in the wrong circles :smt102

[trousers]

Actually, there's a fair chance I'm talking gibberish as there's no mention of horses in the original post (is there?)

 

And it may have been more than one horse of course.

 

Time for the bear..... :bear:

[Weston Saint]

Could it have been a football bet? After all he said he was at a football game. Sort of score and scorer combined?

[TopGun]

Actually, there's a fair chance I'm talking gibberish as there's no mention of horses in the original post (is there?)

 

And it may have been more than one horse of course.

 

Time for the bear..... :bear:

 

What might you bet on at a football match?

[Window Cleaner]

Hmmmmmmm.

 

So there wasn't a 125/1 shot that came in, so either :

 

1. It wasn't a race in the UK - but was still covered by Ladbrookes.

2. It was a horse that came in on an Each Way bet, therefore more than 4 people are trusting enough to collect there [almost] four grand in winnings.

3. Once again it's all make believe.

 

 

 

Could be a composite bet though.

I'm staggered that anyone bothered to look it up.

[bridge too far]

What might you bet on at a football match?

 

Actually the odds are about right for a Saints win.

[Weston Super Saint]

Actually, there's a fair chance I'm talking gibberish as there's no mention of horses in the original post (is there?)

 

And it may have been more than one horse of course.

 

Time for the bear..... :bear:

 

It wasn't in the first post.....

 

Can't fault his betting tips - when a 125 to 1 comes in I do owe him at least a beer.

 

It could have been an accumulator I suppose, but the wording DOES make it sound like one single bet, and the only place I can think of a 125/1 coming in, has to be the horses - maybe the dogs, but I doubt it....

[trousers]

Actually the odds are about right for a Saints win.

 

Doh....looks like I missed the bleedin' obvious...for once....

[TopGun]

Actually the odds are about right for a Saints win.

 

How about 2-0 Saints win with Surman to score? :cool:

[Weston Super Saint]

Could be a composite bet though.

I'm staggered that anyone bothered to look it up.

 

If no-one bothered to look these things up, we'd still be believing Barry and his Briefcase

[bridge too far]

How about 2-0 Saints win with Surman to score? :cool:

 

Now you're just being fanciful.

 

Oh.....

[Professor]

Obviously Fulthorpe is a very astute businessman if this report is true. Just as he is about to try to buy shares from Lowe, Wilde and any other substantial shareholders who he needs to persuade to sell, Fulthorpe meets a complete stranger at a bookmaker's table, and tells him about his plans to bid for shares in SLH plc. Excellent way of getting the share price up.

Or......maybe Long Shot's other assessment waas correct - Walter Mitty attention seeker.