Hedgehog Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 We may be competitive in price, but do all these teams have a 32K stadium that could be filled every home game? Cheaper prices would encourage more people to watch Saints, thought this year the prices were going to be the same as last year to encourage more people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If you don't mind could you point me to this, as I have asked the question many times about how reliant we are on Marcus and not got a decent response. about 2 weeks ago (or so) someone posted a link to a BBC solent interview with NC from march...it clearly states that markus has agreed and is fully funding the 5 year plan to the prem...and the money he is STILL putting will not be returned...he gets his returns in enjoyment from going... have a look a few pages back on the main board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 We may be competitive in price, but do all these teams have a 32K stadium that could be filled every home game? Cheaper prices would encourage more people to watch Saints, thought this year the prices were going to be the same as last year to encourage more people. it does not work like that...as if you say a ticket costs £10...how do you justify a programme at £3..? etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 about 2 weeks ago (or so) someone posted a link to a BBC solent interview with NC from march...it clearly states that markus has agreed and is fully funding the 5 year plan to the prem That doesn't mean he's funding us right here, right now. With a midtable Championship wage bill, but a high-end Championship revenue stream (based on the attendances), even with the transfer outlay last season, we should still have been breaking even - particularly with nearly £1m made from the JPT final alone. Once we get into the Championship, that is when this "fund" might be required, as the transfer spending will have to be a bit more substantial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 That doesn't mean he's funding us right here, right now. With a midtable Championship wage bill, but a high-end Championship revenue stream (based on the attendances), even with the transfer outlay last season, we should still have been breaking even - particularly with nearly £1m made from the JPT final alone. Once we get into the Championship, that is when this "fund" might be required, as the transfer spending will have to be a bit more substantial. well..I know you dont believe what NC says.....doubt you will for some time...but I kind of listen to the man that is more in the know financially about the club than "back of fag packet" sums on here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 well..I know you dont believe what NC says.....doubt you will for some time...but I kind of listen to the man that is more in the know financially about the club than "back of fag packet" sums on here... But he's not said "Markus has funded our spending this season, we're still a loss-making business". He's said that Markus has allotted funds for this "5-year plan" (let's not forget, certain people on here were adamant that there was no such plan not too long ago), which obviously implies that there is a pot of money that is available - I don't dispute that - but I would imagine that money won't be used while they can run the club self-sufficiently in League One. They'll have to spend more on players in the Championship, so that'll be when that fund comes into play, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 We may be competitive in price, but do all these teams have a 32K stadium that could be filled every home game? Cheaper prices would encourage more people to watch Saints, thought this year the prices were going to be the same as last year to encourage more people. Exactly. Think Stu has a point on this thread, as much as many don't like to admit it. Yes, our ground is a bit smarter than others and we should be winning more games than most, but we've also got a 32k ground that will have a lot of empty seats next season. I don't have a particular problem with our ticket prices, I think they're ok, fingers crossed they don't effect next season's crowds too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 The prices Nick gives are the price of the tickets without discounts, and seeing as the majority of those discounts have now expired, you are talking about prices that you can no longer purchase, so, comparing actual ticket prices is a much better way of doing things, unless of course you have a time machine? OK Comparing actual ticket prices is indeed the best way. We have the most expensive tickets in the league, Brightons tickets are £1 more, however they don't have a booking fee or matchday surcharge, so infact we work out more expensive. How's that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 (edited) Exactly. Think Stu has a point on this thread, as much as many don't like to admit it. Yes, our ground is a bit smarter than others and we should be winning more games than most, but we've also got a 32k ground that will have a lot of empty seats next season. I don't have a particular problem with our ticket prices, I think they're ok, fingers crossed they don't effect next season's crowds too much. The prices are OK, I was just highlighting that Nick G's figures were wrong. You can't conveniently forget to include the early bird offers the clubs had, as they would have sold 80% of their tickets during this period! * I did get Brighton ticket prices of FGG as they are not published, so they may be last seasons prices. Edited 6 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 it does not work like that...as if you say a ticket costs £10...how do you justify a programme at £3..? etc etc What does programme prices have to do with anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 What does programme prices have to do with anything? everything is priced relatively...everything... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 everything is priced relatively...everything... Supply and demand Dulldays, supply and demand. We have 32,000 seats to sell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Supply and demand Dulldays, supply and demand. We have 32,000 seats to sell... you are right,...why not just give the seats away...if someone bought just one burger and beer...the club would have got something in..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 you are right,...why not just give the seats away...if someone bought just one burger and beer...the club would have got something in..? The point being, it's a balancing act. You price as expensive as you can to maximise your crowd, then push the add-ons ( programmes, burgers, beers, megastore etc ) when the customer is in your shop ( stadium ) . I don't think our prices are unreasonable, but I think the club could have made them a bit cheaper, or at the very least, graded the games like the old Gold, Silver and Bronze system at The Dell. That Dagenham and Redbridge game is going to be an embarrasingly low attendance. Home support of less than 10k imo. I really can't imagine many people stumping up £25 for Daggers on a cold November night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 everything is priced relatively...everything... Why? I'd much rather have tickets as cheap as possible and the additional money being made up from programmes, beers, kits being sold. Doesn't mean you give tickets away, just have them at a reasonable level. Buying shirts, programmes, beers etc are all fairly optional to the individual, they're "nice to haves" for a lot of fans, as oppossed to what is "essential", being able to afford a match ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 not going to get into boring tit for tat petty arguement as not sure what point "Dave" is trying to prove. The first post is correct. Those are the ticket prices. There are actually also some more expensive options at other clubs but I ignored those at seemed more executive type seats. I have not included anyones - including ours - renewal/early discounts. I would like to have paid less, and would like the ground to be full. However, for the area we are based in, the quality of the stadium, the players, the fact we are favorite for the league (Chelsea??!!) I would not have complained if we were the most expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 you are right,...why not just give the seats away...if someone bought just one burger and beer...the club would have got something in..? Lol and then you'd have 8,000 threads as to how the club had ripped off the ST holders (like we did last season at times when the club did specials) We don't HAVE to sell 32,000 tickets - we will HAVE to sell around some abstract number such as 18,000 every week to "break even", but we'll probably be getting close to 24/26 providing we get a good start and are on target for automatic promotion. Oh, and BTW, the variable costs of a crowd of 32,000 will still be a little higher than a crowd of 24,000 as the whole print runs, stewarding policing etc will need a bit more effort (remember the Ticket Office queus for walk ups at some games last season? The reason we WANT 32,000 is the atmosphere and getting the next generation of kids hooked it will get there with good football and good results (ie a Product that the un-committed customer would WANT to watch). Ain't no point having 32,000 watch (for example) The Dutch disaster. Field of Dreams this season, build it on the pitch and the results and they will come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 after comments on pricing etc and some disagreement as to whether we are competitive just checked OS of few comparable clubs in our league and these are their prices: (without comment!) Brighton Season tickets -£439 to £562 match prices not on site yet. Bristol Rovers £414 to £598 match £18 to £26 on the day, £2 off if bought early. Charlton £290 to £425 match details not on site yet Saints £391 to £426 (for new tickets not renewal discounted price) match £24 to £27, £2 off if bought early. Huddersfield £360 to £499 can't see match prices Sheff Wed £381 to £535 (another group at £463) matches £19 to £27 (discounts for online sales) MK £325 (for corner) to £550 can't see matches I believe these prices are correct, unless any odd typo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I must be missing the point here, but where has anyone complained at the season ticket pricing structure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I expect so - this is saintsweb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I must be missing the point here, but where has anyone complained at the season ticket pricing structure? Oi STOP IT. Everyone's bored, surely we can have a good argument about nothing to fill in the days until the squad fly to Interlaken with Owen, Heskey & Beckham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Oh, and BTW, the variable costs of a crowd of 32,000 will still be a little higher than a crowd of 24,000 as the whole print runs, stewarding policing etc will need a bit more effort (remember the Ticket Office queus for walk ups at some games last season? That's the thing that baffles me, the club have brought in the matchday surcharge to encourage people to buy in advance, but then bring in the booking fees that mean in many cases it's cheaper for people to take their chance with a big queue before the game than to buy in advance online where it's more convenient for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I must be missing the point here, but where has anyone complained at the season ticket pricing structure? I don't know Steve, I have no problems with the pricing ( although obviously, they could have given more options on how to pay for it, not sure if I have mentioned that before ), season tickets are pretty relative. I was just pointing out how Nick is cherry picking his figures... you can't not include other clubs early bird deals when that's what sells 80% of the tickets. Matchday prices however, are pricey and can't see people wanting to pay £25 to watch some of the less attractive games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 That's the thing that baffles me, the club have brought in the matchday surcharge to encourage people to buy in advance, but then bring in the booking fees that mean in many cases it's cheaper for people to take their chance with a big queue before the game than to buy in advance online where it's more convenient for everyone. The booking fee only starts to make any sense if it is only applied in say the last week before the game. If you book late over the phone, you still have to queue at the ticket office to collect the ticket - meaning that you take up 2 lots of tickets office time. If you just turn up and buy on the day, the ticket office only touches you once - and lets face it, its as quick to sell a ticket from scratch than it is to find an envelope with tickets & then check it is the right person collecting them. (remember NC is trying to make each dept cover its costs) If you could book tickets more than a week in advance without the booking fee then that would make sense, it would encourage people to book early. I'm not saying that is what is going to happen but it is interesting that people have booked tickets for Bournemouth and not been charged the fee. That has to help the club control its costs much better, how many stewards are required, buy in perishables (food & drink) and so on, all that can be controlled to reduce wastage and reduce costs. Whilst it would then encourage early purchase, it does discourage people making a late decision and coming to the game at the last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If you could book tickets more than a week in advance without the booking fee then that would make sense, it would encourage people to book early. I'm not saying that is what is going to happen but it is interesting that people have booked tickets for Bournemouth and not been charged the fee. I've just tried it online and the charge is now applied as soon as you add any tickets to your basket, so I would assume it was just a mistake which led some people to being able to buy online without the fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I've just tried it online and the charge is now applied as soon as you add any tickets to your basket, so I would assume it was just a mistake which led some people to being able to buy online without the fee. Thats a shame! As I said, I didn't think it would work the way I had speculated but that would have made some sense in having a £3 fee where the customer touches the ticket office twice (phone booking & collection) and a £2 matchday fee where the ticket office is touched once. Of course, it does nothing to explain why you get a £3 fee for booking on-line in advance as all they have to do is stick them in an envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 after comments on pricing etc and some disagreement as to whether we are competitive just checked OS of few comparable clubs in our league and these are their prices: (without comment!) Brighton Season tickets -£439 to £562 match prices not on site yet. Bristol Rovers £414 to £598 match £18 to £26 on the day, £2 off if bought early. Charlton £290 to £425 match details not on site yet Saints £391 to £426 (for new tickets not renewal discounted price) match £24 to £27, £2 off if bought early. Huddersfield £360 to £499 can't see match prices Sheff Wed £381 to £535 (another group at £463) matches £19 to £27 (discounts for online sales) MK £325 (for corner) to £550 can't see matches It will take quite some work to turn this into a Cortese basher thread. The evidence above is quite compelling. Hardly difficult to use those figures to make a case for our prices being more expensive. There are only 3 clubs' Match Prices listed, cheapest prices are Bristol Rovers £18 Sheff Weds £19 Saints £24 (or£22 if you get yourself to the TO at your own expense before match day). So of the evidence available, we are £5 more expensive than any other club for match day tickets. I personally don't have a problem with our ticket prices, just the add-ons, but to say it will "take some work" to find a reason to bash Cortese based on that evidence suggests you didn't look at the figures that were presented very hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Hardly difficult to use those figures to make a case for our prices being more expensive. There are only 3 clubs' Match Prices listed, cheapest prices are Bristol Rovers £18 Sheff Weds £19 Saints £24 (or£22 if you get yourself to the TO at your own expense before match day). So of the evidence available, we are £5 more expensive than any other club for match day tickets. I personally don't have a problem with our ticket prices, just the add-ons, but to say it will "take some work" to find a reason to bash Cortese based on that evidence suggests you didn't look at the figures that were presented very hard. Not just that, but he conveniently left out the early bird prices of all the clubs in his figures, which is their main selling window. You can't try and build a case saying our prices are competitive using cherry picked figures and ignoring other clubs main selling price ( early bird ) . I think it was more of a case of him trying to have another obsessed pop at me, but he has failed and made himself look like a bit of a troll. We have the most expensive match tickets in the league, we won't be far off having the most expensive tickets next season if we go up, and if we ever get to the Prem, we will be paying top 6 prices. Surely everyone can see this is the business model being constructed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I agree with stu that I would liked to have seen "gold, silver and bronze" games... playing sheff wed at home is clearly a bigger pull than playing notts county Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I agree with stu that I would liked to have seen "gold, silver and bronze" games... playing sheff wed at home is clearly a bigger pull than playing notts county Those are my thoughts too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I fully expect the club to phone and offer me a job. When they have less than 10,000 home fans through the gate against Daggers, I can say to everyone 'I told you so' ? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Stu There was no comment, just facts. I cherry picked in that went for some of the bigger for league 1 clubs. All ticket prices are correct and are prices currently available to read on their sites. I do have an opinion of you but not obsessed, you are not that important to me - sorry to disappoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Stu There was no comment, just facts. I cherry picked in that went for some of the bigger for league 1 clubs. All ticket prices are correct and are prices currently available to read on their sites. I do have an opinion of you but not obsessed, you are not that important to me - sorry to disappoint. You completely ignored the fact that everyones main selling period has been over and now tickets are charged at a premium, so your figures where not comparable as thanks to our tenant from hell Mr Cortese, he didn't bother his @rse to put our tickets on sale until most clubs had finished selling the majority of theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I didn't ignore it. I was interested in how our prices compared and after finding out put it on here. We also had renewal discount. We should have had March Madness and installment plans but we haven't. I don't like the idea of fees on top of prices. Really don't mind what you think (of me or Cortesse) for several reasons but please don't think this thread was for your benefit or interest at all - it wasn't, you were not even in my thoughts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Smith Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Exactly. Think Stu has a point on this thread, as much as many don't like to admit it. Yes, our ground is a bit smarter than others and we should be winning more games than most, but we've also got a 32k ground that will have a lot of empty seats next season. I don't have a particular problem with our ticket prices, I think they're ok, fingers crossed they don't effect next season's crowds too much. OK, last post of the day. WRONG. At £1 more, they are still more expensive. You don;t have to phone to get your ST! Also, I wasn;t charged a booking fee when I purchased my ST over the phone, not sure if it is still the case, but there you go, wrong again. 3 times in such a little sentence, good work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sour Mash Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 OK, last post of the day. WRONG. At £1 more, they are still more expensive. You don;t have to phone to get your ST! Also, I wasn;t charged a booking fee when I purchased my ST over the phone, not sure if it is still the case, but there you go, wrong again. 3 times in such a little sentence, good work! What the hell are you on? You got the right post or thread? As that really doesn't make sense at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I can certainly live with the 10% increase in season ticket proces, but being charged £3 every time I buy a cup ticket or away ticket takes the ****ing ****. Thankfully there is a loop hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
100%Red&White Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I'd say many of us feel ST prices are reasonable but most have probably felt a little p*ssed (as mentioned a thousand times) at the 'no instalment/late notice/no half ST/No ST sales after August/etc.' but we were also probably one of very few that didn't offer existing ST holders an 'Early Bird' option. As mentioned the majority of ST fans at other clubs would have renewed at those far lower prices, for example, Swindon's was under £200. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 That's the thing that baffles me, the club have brought in the matchday surcharge to encourage people to buy in advance, but then bring in the booking fees that mean in many cases it's cheaper for people to take their chance with a big queue before the game than to buy in advance online where it's more convenient for everyone. If you want to queue for half an hour and risk missing the start of a match to save £1 then there's no helping you. I imagine most people who book match tickets in advance over the net/phone buy more than one per match. They like to sit with a mate, or two. Let's say just one mate. So that's a fee of £1.50 per ticket. Cheaper than on the day already. Let's say they agree, with that mate, to go to two games which are on sale. So that's a fee of 75p per ticket. It's even more of a saving, as they would have paid £8, rather than £3, had they bought all tickets on the day. I really think this is a non-issue, no? Can't wait for the footy to start so people can moan endlessly about that instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Benson Phillips Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If you want to queue for half an hour and risk missing the start of a match to save £1 then there's no helping you. I imagine most people who book match tickets in advance over the net/phone buy more than one per match. They like to sit with a mate, or two. Let's say just one mate. So that's a fee of £1.50 per ticket. Cheaper than on the day already. Let's say they agree, with that mate, to go to two games which are on sale. So that's a fee of 75p per ticket. It's even more of a saving, as they would have paid £8, rather than £3 had they bought all tickets on the day. I really think this is a non-issue, no? Can't wait for the footy to start so people can moan endlessly about that instead. I think the point is, that's it is an amateur mistake... which suggests Cortese set the prices and not Luker ( I am 99% sure Luker didn't have any say in these prices/structure ) Regardless of the non-issue, the £2 surcharge is to encourage people to book in advance - and get a £3 surcharge.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scummer Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 If you want to queue for half an hour and risk missing the start of a match to save £1 then there's no helping you. I imagine most people who book match tickets in advance over the net/phone buy more than one per match. They like to sit with a mate, or two. Let's say just one mate. So that's a fee of £1.50 per ticket. Cheaper than on the day already. Let's say they agree, with that mate, to go to two games which are on sale. So that's a fee of 75p per ticket. It's even more of a saving, as they would have paid £8, rather than £3, had they bought all tickets on the day. I really think this is a non-issue, no? Can't wait for the footy to start so people can moan endlessly about that instead. Agreed. How many seriously buy one ticket, for one match, at a time? How many billy-no-mates fans have we got? I'd be amazed if it was more than a couple of hundred people per match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnailOB Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 I think the point is, that's it is an amateur mistake... which suggests Cortese set the prices and not Luker ( I am 99% sure Luker didn't have any say in these prices/structure ) Regardless of the non-issue, the £2 surcharge is to encourage people to book in advance - and get a £3 surcharge.. I must say that i'm sure I recall you dismissing a number of fans (like myself) who complained about the £3 PER TICKET fee when booking JPT final tickets over the phone. At that time you thought we were 'moaning-minnies'. Why the self-righteous indignation now ? You've posted quite a lot recently with nothing in support of how the club are progressing, everything for you has a negative slant to it. Whilst i appreciate the time and effort you have put into a lot of your information and whilst i appreciate that there are fans out there who do not wish to accept everything we are spoon fed by the club and are trying to take the club to task (we never want another Wilde fiasco), you do seem to lose a bit of credibility with this campaign because of ALL the negativity and very little balance. What did NC do to you ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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