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NickG

NickG

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after comments on pricing etc and some disagreement as to whether we are competitive just checked OS of few comparable clubs in our league and these are their prices: (without comment!)

 

Brighton Season tickets -£439 to £562

match prices not on site yet.

 

Bristol Rovers £414 to £598

match £18 to £26 on the day, £2 off if bought early.

 

Charlton £290 to £425

match details not on site yet

 

Saints £391 to £426 (for new tickets not renewal discounted price)

match £24 to £27, £2 off if bought early.

 

Huddersfield £360 to £499

can't see match prices

 

Sheff Wed

£381 to £535 (another group at £463)

matches £19 to £27 (discounts for online sales)

 

MK

£325 (for corner) to £550

can't see matches

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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So, comparable then? And favourably in many cases.

 

That's that put to bed then...

add that to someone being told today at the club that saints were running at a loss last season....

 

 

yep...no doubt cortese will be slated in about 10 posts time

Andy_Porter

Andy_Porter

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add that to someone being told today at the club that saints were running at a loss last season....

 

 

Is that true?

 

Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages.

benjii

benjii

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add that to someone being told today at the club that saints were running at a loss last season....

 

 

yep...no doubt cortese will be slated in about 10 posts time

 

I think that was a specific reference to the car parking operation.

 

 

 

This post was brought to you by the Rumour Control Police.

Thedelldays

Thedelldays

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Is that true?

 

Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages.

 

cortese has even said that we are still reliant on money from markus....

benjii

benjii

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Is that true?

 

Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages.

 

Sack the Rumour Control Police.... too slow!

trousers

trousers

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It's absolutely no surprise to hear 'confirmation' (of sorts) that the club was running at a loss last year (and obviously before that). I've posted as much before.

 

Why therefore the clamour for Cortese to make some sort of announcement given all he would be doing is stating the obvious (to most people)? Surely he would be compromising his bargaining power with suppliers etc if he was to reveal details of the company's financial position????

St Marco

St Marco

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If the owner is putting his own money in to cover the losses how is that bad exactly? If he took out loans in the clubs name then fair enough that would be bad.

The club is not under pressure to make any profit now. Didn't they say they only think they would make a return when we are in the PL?

To try and use that as a stick to beat him with is just dumb.

JonnyLove

JonnyLove

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If the owner is putting his own money in to cover the losses how is that bad exactly? If he took out loans in the clubs name then fair enough that would be bad.

The club is not under pressure to make any profit now. Didn't they say they only think they would make a return when we are in the PL?

To try and use that as a stick to beat him with is just dumb.

Yes but sadly allot of people on here are that stupid and so will. (If you don't agree then please feel free to prove me wrong)

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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Is that true?

 

Quite shocking, I would have thought after all our bumper crowds and cup runs we would have made a fair whack. Fonte, Lambert, Jaidi, Davis etc must be on huge wages.

 

When you factor in the transfer fees paid then yes of course we were running at a loss, but with regards to wages I genuinely believe we brought in enough money to cover it.

Chez

Chez

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cortese has even said that we are still reliant on money from markus....

 

If you don't mind could you point me to this, as I have asked the question many times about how reliant we are on Marcus and not got a decent response.

Saint_clark

Saint_clark

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It was common knowledge from the start that Cortese agreed with Liebherr a "fund" which would be enough to get Saints back to the Prem. Whether we spend all of it or some of it, only those two will know.

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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I could pick holes in them prices... which are incorrect ( I know this because I have them all to hand )

 

We have the 3rd most expensive 'cheapest' season tickets.

 

We have THE most expensive 'cheapest' matchday tickets.

 

FACTO

 

I will give you until the morning to amend your figures before I pwn you Nicky. xx

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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I could pick holes in them prices... which are incorrect ( I know this because I have them all to hand )

 

We have the 3rd most expensive 'cheapest' season tickets.

 

We have THE most expensive 'cheapest' matchday tickets.

 

FACTO

 

I will give you until the morning to amend your figures before I pwn you Nicky. xx

 

factors for pricing?

 

1) http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/league-one/promotion

2) stadium

3) Fonte / Lambert / Lallana / Schneiderlin

 

I think Nick got his reply in before you posted Stu.

 

You can't compare 23 games stood for example in the Exeter, Yeovil etc terrace at the bottom of the league with 23 games sat at St Mary's and a title challenge. Prices rise if the product(quality of football) and the facilities (the stadium) are better. St Mary's will likely be top of both of these next season and this of course will be reflected in prices.

 

Do you expect watching Arsenal to be the same price and experience as watching Fulham?

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NickG

NickG

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anyone not sure of those prices, easy way, go to BBC league 1 site, link to all OS sites, those prices all from there today - all accurate.

djharvey

djharvey

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I could pick holes in them prices... which are incorrect ( I know this because I have them all to hand )

 

We have the 3rd most expensive 'cheapest' season tickets.

 

We have THE most expensive 'cheapest' matchday tickets.

 

FACTO

 

I will give you until the morning to amend your figures before I pwn you Nicky. xx

 

If you have them to hand then lets go! Or are you gonna cherry pick the figures you want from each club.

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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I think Nick got his reply in before you posted Stu.

 

You can't compare 23 games stood for example in the Exeter, Yeovil etc terrace at the bottom of the league with 23 games sat at St Mary's and a title challenge. Prices rise if the product(quality of football) and the facilities (the stadium) are better. St Mary's will likely be top of both of these next season and this of course will be reflected in prices.

 

Nick is posting figures which are wrong. He has always told me, if you are going to start a debate, use FACTS... his figures are wrong.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Nick is posting figures which are wrong. He has always told me, if you are going to start a debate, use FACTS... his figures are wrong.

 

If his figures are wrong can you please show where Nick is wrong with a few examples and links to the clubs official websites with the correct figures.

 

Even if Nick is wrong and Saints are the most or one of the most expensive that still doesn't answer my point...

 

1) You can't compare 23 games stood for example in the Exeter, Yeovil etc terrace at the bottom of the league with 23 games sat at St Mary's and a title challenge with a wage budget and overheads to match. Prices rise if the product(quality of football) and the facilities (the stadium) are better. St Mary's will likely be top of both of these next season and this of course will be reflected in prices. Do you agree YES/NO

 

2) Do you expect watching Arsenal to be the same price and experience as watching Fulham?

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djharvey

djharvey

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Nick is posting figures which are wrong. He has always told me, if you are going to start a debate, use FACTS... his figures are wrong.

 

I give you until 11pm tonight to support that with your facts! :-)

Chez

Chez

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If you take Huddersfield for example, their cheapest tickets for an adult renewing was £305 compared to our £328. But their family centre adult price renewel was just £140 + £25 for under 8 year old kids. Ours were £328 + £0 for under 8s. You have to a little deeper at the pricing before comparing them in simple one line terms.

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Go easy on Stu, he is scrabbling around now trying to get his Facts together!

Tick tock Tick tock.

 

Not really... allow me just to post one... Nick says adult season tickets at Hudds start at £360

 

Our survey says... £305

 

http://www.htafc.com/page/SeasonTicketsDetail/0,,10312~1997128,00.html

 

Thats the only one I can be arsed to find, I know pretty much all of Nickys figures are wrong, I will post them tommorow as they are all saved on my work PC.

djharvey

djharvey

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Not really... allow me just to post one... Nick says adult season tickets at Hudds start at £360

 

Our survey says... £305

 

http://www.htafc.com/page/SeasonTicketsDetail/0,,10312~1997128,00.html

 

Thats the only one I can be arsed to find, I know pretty much all of Nickys figures are wrong, I will post them tommorow as they are all saved on my work PC.

 

Yes that was for renewals back in early april, Nick has posted the price for new tickets (as he has also for saints).

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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Stu if your using that arguement i would argue ours start at £277 then, its a question of perspective really.

 

Not that it really matters, for the 'product' Saints are offering it is bound to be more expensive. As CUSTOMERS we need to be aware of that.

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Yes that was for renewals back in early april, Nick has posted the price for new tickets (as he has also for saints).

 

And what is the point posting about new tickets? 80% of tickets are sold during the early bird... if not more.

 

The only FAIR way to compare prices is look at the cheapest seats... not the most expensive. Comparing NEW season tickets is pointless...

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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And what is the point posting about new tickets? 80% of tickets are sold during the early bird... if not more.

 

The only FAIR way to compare prices is look at the cheapest seats... not the most expensive. Comparing NEW season tickets is pointless...

 

Ours would be £277 then. So, it still proves we are pretty cheap

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Stu if your using that arguement i would argue ours start at £277 then, its a question of perspective really.

 

Not that it really matters, for the 'product' Saints are offering it is bound to be more expensive. As CUSTOMERS we need to be aware of that.

 

No, I kept family enclosure tickets out of it... if I didn't then the gap would be even bigger.

 

These prices are cheapest renewal prices for a single adult non-family enclosure.

 

I am sure you agree that comparing these prices is the only fair way.

 

You can't say MK Dons have more expensive tickets than us when theirs have been on sale at a discounted price for months!

djharvey

djharvey

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And what is the point posting about new tickets? 80% of tickets are sold during the early bird... if not more.

 

The only FAIR way to compare prices is look at the cheapest seats... not the most expensive. Comparing NEW season tickets is pointless...

 

Which would mean the prices he posted for saints is also cheaper!

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Which would mean the prices he posted for saints is also cheaper!

 

How many times do you dullards need to be told before it goes in?

 

I didn't compare family enclosure prices... if I did then I would have posted up Hudds cheapest ticket at £125 for example.

 

These are standard adult seats.

Smirking_Saint

Smirking_Saint

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No, I kept family enclosure tickets out of it... if I didn't then the gap would be even bigger.

 

These prices are cheapest renewal prices for a single adult non-family enclosure.

 

I am sure you agree that comparing these prices is the only fair way.

 

You can't say MK Dons have more expensive tickets than us when theirs have been on sale at a discounted price for months!

 

Ok, but you agree that due to the product on offer at St Mary's this season we should be up towards the top of the expense list ??

 

As are Man Utd, Chelsea Etc in their respective division ?

NickG

NickG

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All prices for new tickets, non-family centre.

 

why someone would react in this way is very strange and insecure but best ignored.

NickG

NickG

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and currently available.

 

ours were cheaper before.

 

think perfectly reasonable if we were the most expensive due to location, team, stadium etc

djharvey

djharvey

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Once it has been established where we rank in price, would it then be fair to rank that against quality of experience (ground/facilities/ease of getting to/performances etc) to get a true reflection of value for money.

 

Not sure exactly how to do this but surely that would be Fair!

 

Maybe even the average regional salaries should also be taken into account!

Dave Benson Phillips

Dave Benson Phillips

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Ok, but you agree that due to the product on offer at St Mary's this season we should be up towards the top of the expense list ??

 

As are Man Utd, Chelsea Etc in their respective division ?

 

I don't think our prices are OTT,never said they were, what I said is they are the 3rd most expensive in the league, and our matchday prices are the most expensive in the league. You can't compare 'most expensive ticket' because some grounds have retardedly expensive centre areas... but comparing a standard adult price to other clubs, we have the most expensive matchday prices, and I believe at least all of the London clubs and Brighton should have more expensive tickets.

 

So in summary... our season tickets are acceptable value, our matchday tickets are pricey.

westofshannonsaint

westofshannonsaint

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...with your calculations where do we rank in price!

 

actually could Stu & Nick G pleas both post rankings at some stage, this little tiff has tweaked my interest.

 

...the 3rd most expensive in the league, and our matchday prices are the most expensive in the league..........

our season tickets are acceptable value, our matchday tickets are pricey.

 

sorry stu, you actually have done it already. I hope membership sorts out your problem.

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John Smith

John Smith

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How many times do you dullards need to be told before it goes in?

 

I didn't compare family enclosure prices... if I did then I would have posted up Hudds cheapest ticket at £125 for example.

 

These are standard adult seats.

 

So, why did you put up the TERRACE prices of £260 for Bristol?????????????????????????

 

You are making a right idiot of yourself.............. again.

 

If you don;t want to go, don;t if you do, the prices to pay have been given.

 

ST prices for Saints has gone down since we were relegated, all apart from the first season in the CCC, where they were the same.

 

However, our costs have been higher, our wage bill was higher, and all in all, the difference of £50 for a season as opposed to going to someone like Huddersfield, well, the travel alone each week would make up the difference. Land prices in the North are nearly in all cases cheaper. creating stadiums are also cheaper. The local wage is also lower. etc. etc. etc.

 

The prices Nick gives are the price of the tickets without discounts, and seeing as the majority of those discounts have now expired, you are talking about prices that you can no longer purchase, so, comparing actual ticket prices is a much better way of doing things, unless of course you have a time machine?

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