Tennis

[Turkish]

is it me or is it a really **** game played by Toffs. I am a member of Hampshire Tennis and Health club and all the tennis members there seem to be absolute bell ends, to be fair some of the posh female players would probably get it but they are all so up their own arse.

As for the crowd at Wimbledon, well its nothing short of embarassing, middle class people trying to be crazy. All of the players seem like idiots too, Andy Murray being casing point. Going back to when i was a kid at least John Mcenroe, Jimmy Connors, Andre Aggassi etc had a bit of character, these days they are all boring ****s.

All that apart though, its just generally a **** sport.

[Gorgiesaint]

The problem with tennis in this country is the LTA - they have made much of the game only accessible to the middle classes, despite they supposedly spend millions on grass-routes tennis. They actually make the FA look like they're doing a good job - they're that bad!!

 

Other countries do make the game accessible to all. I used to play a lot when I was a kid, just sneaked on courts during the summer hols and played all day. The problem is, that rather than encouraging kids to play, we got chased off (when there were 6 courts not being used at all). It is a good game but yes, Wimbledon & the LTA do not help the image of the game IMO.

[Hatch]

Agree with opening post. Tennis is Shyte.

 

The fact that they have to sit down for a rest every two games does my head in. There should only be a rest after every set.

Play for 5 mins, sit down for 3. Load of bllloollox

[saint_bert]

I tend to dislike any sport your not supposed to make a sound at during play

 

Tennis=gash IMO

[saintwarwick]

We all have a liking, yes it does seem like a posh sport in this country but we are not forced to watch so just give a wide berth if it don't agree with your liking of the sport.

[Thedelldays]

as a kid used to play (or try to) when wimbledon was on....we used to climb the fence and use the courts on Green Park, Millbrook...only for the warden or who ever he was to chase us off...

[Turkish]

We all have a liking, yes it does seem like a posh sport in this country but we are not forced to watch so just give a wide berth if it don't agree with your liking of the sport.

 

Hard not to up the Hampshire club when all the posh ****s are wondering around the bar bleating on about it. All a bunch of lemons.

[saintwarwick]

Hard not to up the Hampshire club when all the posh ****s are wondering around the bar bleating on about it. All a bunch of lemons.

 

Then pick another sport if you don't like the current opponents, simples or pick another club. If I went to a pub and didn't like the company I would pick another one.

[Kadeem Hardison]

Andy Murray is an excellent casing point. Maybe he could have been the solution to the BP oil disaster?

[Turkish]

Then pick another sport if you don't like the current opponents, simples or pick another club. If I went to a pub and didn't like the company I would pick another one.

 

Its not as easy as that when you are 3 months into a 12 month non cancellable membership.

[saintwarwick]

Its not as easy as that when you are 3 months into a 12 month non cancellable membership.

 

Oh dear, then enjoy the pimms

[fish fingers]

Most people in this country think tennis only exists for 2 weeks a year.

 

I agree though its a **** sport and Andy Murray is a tw4t

[bridge too far]

Most people in this country think tennis only exists for 2 weeks a year.

 

I agree though its a **** sport and Andy Murray is a tw4t

 

I bet you wish you were as tw4tish as him, earning his tw4t money.

Edited 5 July, 2010 by bridge too far

[Hatch]

I disagree that it is an elitist sport,

 

Just have a look at the young Brit that won the doubles thing yesterday.

 

Tom Farquharson. A South London Council Estate name if ever I heard one.

[saintwarwick]

Most people in this country think tennis only exists for 2 weeks a year.

 

I agree though its a **** sport and Andy Murray is a tw4t

 

Then you know nothing about tenis, I am sure Andy Murray, the world number 4, is crying into his millions

[Turkish]

I bet you wish you were as tw4tish as him, earning his tw4t money.

 

He is a **** and no i dont, what is the point of being rich and famous if everyone thinks your a knob??

[bridge too far]

He is a **** and no i dont, what is the point of being rich and famous if everyone thinks your a knob??

 

'Everyone' doesn't think he's a knob. I imagine that most people who appreciate excellence in sport recognise that he's the best British male tennis player we've had in the modern era.

[Turkish]

'Everyone' doesn't think he's a knob. I imagine that most people who appreciate excellence in sport recognise that he's the best British male tennis player we've had in the modern era.

 

I appreciate excellence in sport, hence why i like Nadal and Federer (as tennis players go) their match last year (?) was incedible, even me, someome totally apathetic to tennis, enjoyed it. Andy Murray is not sporting excellence, best british male for a while yes, but that is like being the slimest bloke at weight watchers.

[saintwarwick]

I appreciate excellence in sport, hence why i like Nadal and Federer (as tennis players go) their match last year (?) was incedible, even me, someome totally apathetic to tennis, enjoyed it. Andy Murray is not sporting excellence, best british male for a while yes, but that is like being the slimest bloke at weight watchers.

 

So Murraay, the world number 4 (has reached number 3) is not excellent at his sport? I appreciate Federer and Nadal are the best but Murray has beaten both these, Federer on numerous occasions. Yes he hasn't won a major yet but he has been close and won numerous titles, you could say he is excelllent at what he does wouldn't you agree.

[Baj]

LTA and FA have a lot to answer for in terms of development of world class performers.

 

 

being casing point.

Sorry, a... what?

[Saintandy666]

I'd maybe agree with you that tennis is generally played by people in the middle class, but I don't know about the 'toffs only' point. I'm a member of a tennis club, and you get a wide range of people, chavs and that included. Tennis just isn't the number 1 sport in this country though, easily in the chasing group behind though with Rugby(though I bet less people play that), and other sports like Cricket. Tennis might even sneak into second place really... The popularity 'sports' like snooker and darts shouldn't be underestimated either.

 

Anyone who says Andy Murray isn't good at what he does is clearly an idiot and knows nothing about tennis.

Edited 19 July, 2010 by Saintandy666

[Turkish]

So Murraay, the world number 4 (has reached number 3) is not excellent at his sport? I appreciate Federer and Nadal are the best but Murray has beaten both these, Federer on numerous occasions. Yes he hasn't won a major yet but he has been close and won numerous titles, you could say he is excelllent at what he does wouldn't you agree.

 

I dont agree, Feder and Nadal are excellent, as was Samprass, Borg, they actually won things, Murray hasn't. Its like arguing someone is a really great salesman that has never made a sale, the argument that 'well i've got close a few times' doesn't quite wash does it.

[Turkish]

I'd maybe agree with you that tennis is generally played by people in the middle class, but I don't know about the 'toffs only' point. I'm a member of a tennis club, and you get a wide range of people, chavs and that included. Tennis just isn't the number 1 sport in this country though, easily in the chasing group behind though with Rugby(though I bet less people play that), and other sports like Cricket. Tennis might even sneak into second place really... The popularity 'sports' like snooker and darts shouldn't be underestimated either.

 

Anyone who says Andy Murray isn't good at what he does is clearly an idiot and knows nothing about tennis.

 

I didn't say he wasn't good, but he has never won anything, to be considered excellent then surely titles ae the benchmark of this? If Murray goes his whole career without winning anything will he be remember of as a great, like Samprass, Nadal, Feder etc? No, he'll be remembered as yet another Tim Henman, a nearly man never quite up to it.

[Barry the Badger]

I didn't say he wasn't good, but he has never won anything, to be considered excellent then surely titles ae the benchmark of this? If Murray goes his whole career without winning anything will he be remember of as a great, like Samprass, Nadal, Feder etc? No, he'll be remembered as yet another Tim Henman, a nearly man never quite up to it.

 

Saying Andy Murray hasn't won anything is just plain wrong.

 

He hasn't won any Grand Slams is what you mean.

 

That's like saying Chelsea haven't won anything, because they haven't won the Champions league.

[Turkish]

Saying Andy Murray hasn't won anything is just plain wrong.

 

He hasn't won any Grand Slams is what you mean.

 

That's like saying Chelsea haven't won anything, because they haven't won the Champions league.

 

He hasn't won anything that matters then, what has he won? Queens? that is like Chelsea winning the charity shield, a nice to have but means FA.

[Trader]

He hasn't won anything that matters then, what has he won? Queens? that is like Chelsea winning the charity shield, a nice to have but means FA.

 

14 career titles, including 4 ATP World Masters wins, plus a little matter of $11.6 million in prize money, all at the age of 23 and apparently he hasn't won anything.

 

But these don't matter because they're not Grand Slams.

 

Oh, and he did briefly reach world no.2.

 

Not bad for a toff.

[saintwarwick]

I didn't say he wasn't good, but he has never won anything, to be considered excellent then surely titles ae the benchmark of this? If Murray goes his whole career without winning anything will he be remember of as a great, like Samprass, Nadal, Feder etc? No, he'll be remembered as yet another Tim Henman, a nearly man never quite up to it.

 

I suggest you look up his record before passing judgment, something you clearly haven't done yet. Never won anything? You're having a laugh.

[Turkish]

I suggest you look up his record before passing judgment, something you clearly haven't done yet. Never won anything? You're having a laugh.

 

As my post above Warwick, anything that matters, not the tennis equvilent of the charity shield, the Oxfordshire benevolent Cup or the ted Bates trophy, i suggest you realise the difference between a proper tournement and a meanless trophy before passing judgement. Won something that matters? You are having a laugh.

[hypochondriac]

As my post above Warwick, anything that matters, not the tennis equvilent of the charity shield, the Oxfordshire benevolent Cup or the ted Bates trophy, i suggest you realise the difference between a proper tournement and a meanless trophy before passing judgement. Won something that matters? You are having a laugh.

 

You do have a point IMO. It's why Federer doesn't really try in anything except the grand slams.

[Saintandy666]

I didn't say he wasn't good, but he has never won anything, to be considered excellent then surely titles ae the benchmark of this? If Murray goes his whole career without winning anything will he be remember of as a great, like Samprass, Nadal, Feder etc? No, he'll be remembered as yet another Tim Henman, a nearly man never quite up to it.

 

Andy Murray has won 14 tournaments, including 4 masters series tournaments(which are extremely prestigious). Infact, Miami which he won is often called the 'fifth grand slam' due to its size and prize money.

 

To Hatch who said it is ridiculous how much rest they get... well, you clearly have never played a high tempo game of tennis.

[Turkish]

Andy Murray has won 14 tournaments, including 4 masters series tournaments(which are extremely prestigious). Infact, Miami which he won is often called the 'fifth grand slam' due to its size and prize money.

 

To Hatch who said it is ridiculous how much rest they get... well, you clearly have never played a high tempo game of tennis.

 

Regardless of it being dubbed the 'fifth grand slam' it isn't one. Should he fail to win one of those when they look back on his career 0 - will be in the grand slams won column, which is the benchmark of tennis excellence, until then he cant be talked about in the same breathe as the others. That is the problem with british sport in general, we consider being a nearly man as being a legend and willing to admire unlucky losers and try hards . To me for someone to be considered truely excellent they have to be at the top of their game for a relavatively decent lenght of time, Joe Calzaghie is an example of a true british sporting great. A world champion for 10 years who beat everyone put in front of him.

Edited 22 July, 2010 by Turkish

[Saintandy666]

Regardless of it being dubbed the 'fifth grand slam' it isn't one. Should he fail to win one of those when they look back on his career 0 - will be in the grand slams won column, which is the benchmark of tennis excellence, until then he cant be talked about in the same breath as the others. That is the problem with british sport in general, we consider being a nearly man as being a legend and willing to admire unlucky losers and try hards . To me for someone to be considered truely excellent they have to be at the top of their game for a relavatively decent lenght of time, Joe Calzaghie is an example of a true british sporting great. A world champion for 10 years who beat everyone put in front of him.

 

No-one is trying to pretend that Andy Murray is a great? Just that he is a very good tennis player. He is unfortunate that he is playing at the same time as 2 of the greatest players of all time(by the way he has beaten both of them several times).

[Turkish]

No-one is trying to pretend that Andy Murray is a great? Just that he is a very good tennis player. He is unfortunate that he is playing at the same time as 2 of the greatest players of all time(by the way he has beaten both of them several times).

 

Some one said he is an example of excellence, read above, i didn't say he wasn't good, just he is not an example of excellence, as he hasn't won anything major. Feder and Nadal are excellent, top players and winners, that is the difference. Each generation produces its greats though, would Murray have been in the same league as Samprass, Borg, Becker, Agassi, Mcenroe, Lendel, Effenberg etc? I dont think so.

Edited 22 July, 2010 by Turkish

[Saintandy666]

Some one said he is an example of excellence, read above, i didn't say he wasn't good, just he is not an example of excellence, as he hasn't won anything major. Feder and Nadal are excellent, top players and winners, that is the difference. Each generation produces its greats though, would Murray have been in the same league as Samprass, Borg, Becker, Agassi, Mcenroe, Lendel, Effenberg etc? I dont think so.

 

Murray is way better than anyone in past generations, all the top players are. The pace and level at which the game is played at today is miles ahead of what it was 20 years ago. Murray will win a Grand Slam, he's had 2 finals now and countless Semis. He will probably get a US open within the next few years. He is exceptionally good on hard courts, his form last year on them was amazing.

[Turkish]

Murray is way better than anyone in past generations, all the top players are. The pace and level at which the game is played at today is miles ahead of what it was 20 years ago. Murray will win a Grand Slam, he's had 2 finals now and countless Semis. He will probably get a US open within the next few years. He is exceptionally good on hard courts, his form last year on them was amazing.

 

Why in that case is Rod Laver rated by many as the best of all time?

 

And when he does win something then he can be described as excellent, until then he is not in the same league as the others.

[Saintandy666]

Why in that case is Rod Laver rated by many as the best of all time?

 

And when he does win something then he can be described as excellent, until then he is not in the same league as the others.

 

He has won stuff though, like I said before. And I agree, he isn't yet in the same league as Federer and so on, but I don't think he is that much worse of a tennis player considering the amount of times he has beaten Federer and Nadal. Rod Lever was in a weird period where you had to be amateur to win the slams, but yes Rod Lever was amazing, but he isn't in the same league as todays players. Think of it this way, look at sprinters today compared to 30 40 years ago...

[Turkish]

He has won stuff though, like I said before. And I agree, he isn't yet in the same league as Federer and so on, but I don't think he is that much worse of a tennis player considering the amount of times he has beaten Federer and Nadal. Rod Lever was in a weird period where you had to be amateur to win the slams, but yes Rod Lever was amazing, but he isn't in the same league as todays players. Think of it this way, look at sprinters today compared to 30 40 years ago...

 

BUt then with the training, diet and technology available today would they be? That is a whole different issue.

[ericofarabia]

All this talk of Murray, what about Emile Heskeys sterling showing this year, so soon after the disappointment of The World Cup

 

[Saintandy666]

BUt then with the training, diet and technology available today would they be? That is a whole different issue.

 

Exactly, so today's players are better. Thanks for admitting it!!!

[Durleyfos]

All this talk of Murray, what about Emile Heskeys sterling showing this year, so soon after the disappointment of The World Cup

 

 

Still got a couple of training ground footballs up his shirt as well.

[Badger]

All this talk of Murray, what about Emile Heskeys sterling showing this year, so soon after the disappointment of The World Cup

 

 

Looks more like Drogba in drag than Heskey.

[Turkish]

Exactly, so today's players are better. Thanks for admitting it!!!

 

I am neither agreeing or disagreeing. You cant really compare the two. Technology is better today, if Rod Laver played on the courts, had the racket, training, diet, coaches etc that todays players have would he be better? It's impossible to say.

[REDARMY79]

Tennis is gay! Fact