alpine_saint Posted 2 July, 2010 Share Posted 2 July, 2010 His presence hexed the England team, and today his presence hexed Andy Murray... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 2 July, 2010 Share Posted 2 July, 2010 Sorry Alps, but that is a crock of sh*te. Beckham gave the England team a much needed lift in passion, Capello couldn't provide it. As for Murray, i didn't watch, but i guess he choked, but he was playing Nadal, last time i checked he was a pretty good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 2 July, 2010 Share Posted 2 July, 2010 Not always been a fan of him but it seemed to me his presence in South Africa was potentially beneficial,as the squad were likely to respect him - as far as any of the overpaid prima doona tossers can 'respect' any other living person - and when he was seen on camera he seemed to display some semblance of caring and calling out of instruction.That was a damned sight more than Mr Cornetto or the morose and inarticulate Pearce could muster. As for today,he was at Wimbledon on a day out with his son.Good luck to him. Shame Beckham did not wave a flag of St George when the rat faced caber tosser lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 3 July, 2010 Share Posted 3 July, 2010 Alps ypu really are a mong Beckham is a legend. enough said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Beckham a legend ? Dont make me laugh. He has never done it in the WC for England, and his club career is now a mess. Sure, him and his missus are great clothes horses though. What the f**k he thought about his football career when he signed for that American pub team, I'll never know. He certainly didnt need the money. He started all the WAGs b*ll*cks. The more I think of it, the more I think your post was ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Sorry Alps, but that is a crock of sh*te. Beckham gave the England team a much needed lift in passion, Capello couldn't provide it. As for Murray, i didn't watch, but i guess he choked, but he was playing Nadal, last time i checked he was a pretty good player. Wow, wonder how bad we would have been without him ?? Personally, I think he just saw it as another gilt-edged chance for brand promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Alps, why are you so belligerent? Genuine question. You're very arrogant and condescending when anyone's opinion is different to yours and almost always resort to ridiculing their opinion rather than giving your own some substance. Fair enough, it's why few take you seriously these days, but it's annoying to then get "Report To Moderator" emails from you everytime someone gives a bit back. Can you not live and let live a little and respect others and their opinions a bit more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Alps, why are you so belligerent? Genuine question. You're very arrogant and condescending when anyone's opinion is different to yours and almost always resort to ridiculing their opinion rather than giving your own some substance. Fair enough, it's why few take you seriously these days, but it's annoying to then get "Report To Moderator" emails from you everytime someone gives a bit back. Can you not live and let live a little and respect others and their opinions a bit more? Very simple, very fair point. It truly isn't that hard A_S . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Beckham a legend ? Dont make me laugh. He has never done it in the WC for England, and his club career is now a mess. Sure, him and his missus are great clothes horses though. What the f**k he thought about his football career when he signed for that American pub team, I'll never know. He certainly didnt need the money. He started all the WAGs b*ll*cks. The more I think of it, the more I think your post was ridiculous. Clearly you were not at Old Trafford vs Greece. Just for that he is a legend in my eyes. The more I think of it,the more I think my post was brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Clearly you were not at Old Trafford vs Greece. Just for that he is a legend in my eyes. The more I think of it,the more I think my post was brilliant. I wasn't at OT but vividly remember sitting at home watching the game, but 93rd minute I was no longer sitting but jumping across the room like a lunatic ! One of the great moments but of course more than the free kick Becks carried the whole team that day. A superb footballer and a genuinely decent, family guy. Deserves no criticism in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 beckham is one of the very few greats of english football in this generation... the last one before him was Gazza IMO when it was announced he was going with the coaching staff, I remember a journo was on talksport, and seemingly frothing at the mouth with anger about this..saying he takes away attention from the team and he will generate more inches in the papers that the players themselves.... a caller phoned up and simply said to this idiot..."stop writing about him then".....to which he fumbled some sort of answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperm_john Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Sorry Alps, but that is a crock of sh*te. Beckham gave the England team a much needed lift in passion, Capello couldn't provide it. As for Murray, i didn't watch, but i guess he choked, but he was playing Nadal, last time i checked he was a pretty good player. 100% agree, beckham was passionate on the bench, more passionate than most of the guys out there, and who gives a care what happens with Murray anyway .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Beckham is the biggest legend in English football in many years. Would much rather have had him on the pitch than most of the other tosser players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Alps, why are you so belligerent? Genuine question. You're very arrogant and condescending when anyone's opinion is different to yours and almost always resort to ridiculing their opinion rather than giving your own some substance. Fair enough, it's why few take you seriously these days, but it's annoying to then get "Report To Moderator" emails from you everytime someone gives a bit back. Can you not live and let live a little and respect others and their opinions a bit more? You dont get "report to moderator" e-mails from me every time I am abused. I only do it when I think it has gone too far. I reckon I've done it twice in the past month, for truly outrageous comments compared to the things I seem to get infracted for. But yes, very good, you spread a myth about me which just makes the mob rule when someone like me posts something different all the more justifiable. You should ask yourself just how good a moderator you are. Especially as I think you and Arizona have been quite aggressive in your posting recently. Is the set of rules for this site supposed to be upheld by everybody or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 4 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Back to the thread... So, Beckham is a hero for one goal against Greece. Whoope-bloody-doo. In my opinion he had NO effect on the teams morale and performance in this WC, how worse than truly sh*t could they have been ? Never mind, a few more web-mongs on provincial football team chat-sites think you are "bloody nice bloke" (thinking Tim Nice-But-Dim here), so it might shift a few bottles of cologne or a few pairs of jeans.... John Barnes was getting in the England team on the back of that Brazil goal for a decade, look how sh*te his England peformances were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 The RTM feature doesn't immediately mean that the accusee will be infracted, be it you or anyone else. In fact, I'd say it results in fewer infractions than casual moderastion does so don't let it make you paranoid. It's handy for identifying recurrent problems towards a single poster or by a single poster, which would sometimes go unnoticed as various different moderators pick up on the posts. As to whether I'm a good moderator, I doubt I'm perfect, or even close to it, but then I doubt anyone is. That's why we have a team who basically police each other as well as the forum itself, so don't you worry about Arizona and me. If we get out of order we'll soon be pulled up. As a point of interest, would you care to point me at an "aggressive" post that either of us has made lately? I may be able to give you some perspective on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 As to whether I'm a good moderator, Hopeless is the word that springs immediately to mind Oops, could be RTM time !!! Seriously though I'd truly hate to moderate some of the very immoderate people on here, I'd just ban everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Wow, wonder how bad we would have been without him ?? Personally, I think he just saw it as another gilt-edged chance for brand promotion. Well, you clearly have an opinion all of your own regardless of his outstanding footballing pedigree. This is a player that IMO was one of the most creative (passing range) that we have had in a long long time, not only this but he was reportedly one of the very best trainers at Man Utd and would constantly push himself further and further. Everytime he pulled on an England shirt he seemed to give his all and during this world cup you could clearly see his angst that we were underperforming and one of the few that actually seemed bothered we had crashed out (Lampard laughing, smiling and simply swapping shirts will always leave a sour taste in my mouth). As for brand Beckham, fair play to him, he deserves it, he has been nothing more than a complete professional IMO both on and off the pitch and a fantastic ambassedor to the English game. Or do you think he got over 100 caps and captaincy at England and Man Utd for nothing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 John Barnes was getting in the England team on the back of that Brazil goal for a decade, look how sh*te his England peformances were. Really you should try and not only get some perspective but look at the facts before attacking yet another very good England player. He scored 11 goals in 79 games for England, a fair enough return for a winger. He was also the player who very nearly got us back into the 1986 game v Argentina, setting up Lineker's goal and an almost identical chance he missed. After the goal v Brazil Barnes was abused by supporters on the plane back from South America; racists claimed that England had only won 1-0 against because Barnes' goal "didn't count". At club level he scored 65 goals for Watford in 235 games and in the process helped them to finish 2nd in Div 1 in 82/83 and the Cup Final the following year. In 1987 he joined Liverpool at the time when Dalglish was manager ( I reckon he knew an exceptional player when he saw one ): he scored 84 goals in 314 games and Liverpool cruised to the title in his first season, Barnes was outstanding, scoring 15 goals and 2nd only to John Aldridge. The following year Liverpool won the FA Cup but lost the league title in the final game v Arsenal at Anfield. A game few will forget as Arsenal scored at the death to win 2-0. In spite of his great performances he still received much racist abuse even from Liverpool fans but again as with England rose above it. 1989/90 saw Barnes score 22 goals as Liverpool once again won the League title. At the 1990 WC he was injured early on v Belgium having had a great goal disallowed ( wrongly) for offside. After 1990 Barnes was constantly plagued by injuries but continued to play well for Liverpool. One could argue that Barnes didn't quite reproduce his club form for England, that's debatable but in order to argue that point it simply isn't enough to use throw away remarks. For me Barnes was one of the best wingers I have seen, like Beckham was a great role model and a great supporter of many charities. Very far removed from many of the overpaid prima donas we have today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Well, you clearly have an opinion all of your own regardless of his outstanding footballing pedigree. This is a player that IMO was one of the most creative (passing range) that we have had in a long long time, not only this but he was reportedly one of the very best trainers at Man Utd and would constantly push himself further and further. Everytime he pulled on an England shirt he seemed to give his all and during this world cup you could clearly see his angst that we were underperforming and one of the few that actually seemed bothered we had crashed out (Lampard laughing, smiling and simply swapping shirts will always leave a sour taste in my mouth). As for brand Beckham, fair play to him, he deserves it, he has been nothing more than a complete professional IMO both on and off the pitch and a fantastic ambassedor to the English game. Or do you think he got over 100 caps and captaincy at England and Man Utd for nothing ? That's the key point IMO. Would much rather have kids with Beckham as a role model than that tw*t Rooney. A true ENglish legend. Not sure what games Alps has been watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott_saints Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 A good moderator would just ban Alpine, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 4 July, 2010 Share Posted 4 July, 2010 Beckham a legend ? Dont make me laugh. He has never done it in the WC for England, and his club career is now a mess. Sure, him and his missus are great clothes horses though. What the f**k he thought about his football career when he signed for that American pub team, I'll never know. He certainly didnt need the money. He started all the WAGs b*ll*cks. The more I think of it, the more I think your post was ridiculous. Wow, wonder how bad we would have been without him ?? Personally, I think he just saw it as another gilt-edged chance for brand promotion. You dont get "report to moderator" e-mails from me every time I am abused. I only do it when I think it has gone too far. I reckon I've done it twice in the past month, for truly outrageous comments compared to the things I seem to get infracted for. But yes, very good, you spread a myth about me which just makes the mob rule when someone like me posts something different all the more justifiable. You should ask yourself just how good a moderator you are. Especially as I think you and Arizona have been quite aggressive in your posting recently. Is the set of rules for this site supposed to be upheld by everybody or not ? Back to the thread... So, Beckham is a hero for one goal against Greece. Whoope-bloody-doo. In my opinion he had NO effect on the teams morale and performance in this WC, how worse than truly sh*t could they have been ? Never mind, a few more web-mongs on provincial football team chat-sites think you are "bloody nice bloke" (thinking Tim Nice-But-Dim here), so it might shift a few bottles of cologne or a few pairs of jeans.... John Barnes was getting in the England team on the back of that Brazil goal for a decade, look how sh*te his England peformances were. A good moderator would just ban Alpine, imo. What for;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Back to the thread... So, Beckham is a hero for one goal against Greece. Whoope-bloody-doo. In my opinion he had NO effect on the teams morale and performance in this WC, how worse than truly sh*t could they have been ? Never mind, a few more web-mongs on provincial football team chat-sites think you are "bloody nice bloke" (thinking Tim Nice-But-Dim here), so it might shift a few bottles of cologne or a few pairs of jeans.... John Barnes was getting in the England team on the back of that Brazil goal for a decade, look how sh*te his England peformances were. Did he turn you down for an autograph or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenevaSaint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 So, Beckham is a hero for one goal against Greece. Whoope-bloody-doo. In my opinion he had NO effect on the teams morale and performance in this WC, how worse than truly sh*t could they have been ? Never mind, a few more web-mongs on provincial football team chat-sites think you are "bloody nice bloke" (thinking Tim Nice-But-Dim here), so it might shift a few bottles of cologne or a few pairs of jeans.... John Barnes was getting in the England team on the back of that Brazil goal for a decade, look how sh*te his England peformances were. You cannot even begin to put Beckham in the same genre/mould as Barnes, I'm sorry Alps you're well off with this one. And while we're at it, personally I'm glad that Murray blew it again. ABM, never forget. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Some very good points on here from all but was he a great player? Everybody has an opinion I suppose but he wasn't a brilliant player imo, he was a good passer of the ball, scored the odd good goal, took an occasional good free kick but great? He couldn't tackle or dribble that well I know that. Shall we compare him to a certain Le god? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 You cannot even begin to put Beckham in the same genre/mould as Barnes, I'm sorry Alps you're well off with this one. And while we're at it, personally I'm glad that Murray blew it again. ABM, never forget. Don't know why people have a downer on Murray, our best hope of a grand slam in years yet we slag him down, brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Really you should try and not only get some perspective but look at the facts before attacking yet another very good England player. He scored 11 goals in 79 games for England, a fair enough return for a winger. He was also the player who very nearly got us back into the 1986 game v Argentina, setting up Lineker's goal and an almost identical chance he missed. After the goal v Brazil Barnes was abused by supporters on the plane back from South America; racists claimed that England had only won 1-0 against because Barnes' goal "didn't count". At club level he scored 65 goals for Watford in 235 games and in the process helped them to finish 2nd in Div 1 in 82/83 and the Cup Final the following year. In 1987 he joined Liverpool at the time when Dalglish was manager ( I reckon he knew an exceptional player when he saw one ): he scored 84 goals in 314 games and Liverpool cruised to the title in his first season, Barnes was outstanding, scoring 15 goals and 2nd only to John Aldridge. The following year Liverpool won the FA Cup but lost the league title in the final game v Arsenal at Anfield. A game few will forget as Arsenal scored at the death to win 2-0. In spite of his great performances he still received much racist abuse even from Liverpool fans but again as with England rose above it. 1989/90 saw Barnes score 22 goals as Liverpool once again won the League title. At the 1990 WC he was injured early on v Belgium having had a great goal disallowed ( wrongly) for offside. After 1990 Barnes was constantly plagued by injuries but continued to play well for Liverpool. One could argue that Barnes didn't quite reproduce his club form for England, that's debatable but in order to argue that point it simply isn't enough to use throw away remarks. For me Barnes was one of the best wingers I have seen, like Beckham was a great role model and a great supporter of many charities. Very far removed from many of the overpaid prima donas we have today. Why have you brought up racist abuse ? Are you accusing me of racism ? I thought John Barnes was sh*te for england because of his performances, not because of his skin colour. The bloke never put the effort in for England that he put in for Liverpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Why have you brought up racist abuse ? Are you accusing me of racism ? I thought John Barnes was sh*te for england because of his performances, not because of his skin colour. The bloke never put the effort in for England that he put in for Liverpool. I agree he scored one good goal for England then was given millions of other chances without actually performing. He was sh1te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Why have you brought up racist abuse ? Are you accusing me of racism ? I thought John Barnes was sh*te for england because of his performances, not because of his skin colour. The bloke never put the effort in for England that he put in for Liverpool. Paranoid ? No, I never meant or even implied that you/anybody was racist, isn't that clear ? It was just a statement of fact as to what he had to deal with. Anyway you still haven't put forward anything constructive so it's a pointless debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Why the aggression because some people like Beckham and others don't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Not only me who thinks he is a jinx, then... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-1292218/Australians-offer-David-Beckham-free-class-trip-watch-Ashes.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Congratulations, a jokey piece in the Daily Moan has solidified your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Give it to Ron Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Yep Beckham is so ****e with his club career that AC Milan wanted him back!! Never done it in the World Cup for England? Who scored the penalty against the Argies that won us the game? He started all the WAG ********....how ...I thought that was the media ? Beckham is such a clothes horse and fck all else that he has played for 3 of the top sides in the World...jeesh they all must be such poor judges of a footballers ability compared to you sat on your arse in front of a TV! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 9 July, 2010 Share Posted 9 July, 2010 You dont get "report to moderator" e-mails from me every time I am abused. I only do it when I think it has gone too far. I reckon I've done it twice in the past month, for truly outrageous comments compared to the things I seem to get infracted for. But yes, very good, you spread a myth about me which just makes the mob rule when someone like me posts something different all the more justifiable. You should ask yourself just how good a moderator you are. Especially as I think you and Arizona have been quite aggressive in your posting recently. Is the set of rules for this site supposed to be upheld by everybody or not ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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