Ghana v Uruguay

[chrisobee]

Decent game but it all happened in last minute of ET when Uruguay conceded a penalty, Suarez I think handling on the line and sent off. Ghana then miss the penalty so it's now a penalty shoot out:lol:

[latter day saint]

Come on Ghana! to much lady hair in the Uruguay team

[Ponty]

Come on Ghana! to much lady hair in the Uruguay team

 

Well that came back to bite you... lol

[bpsaint]

Gutted for Ghana, shouldn't have even gone to penalties,cheating Uruguay ******s.

[Smirking_Saint]

Why is it... that every team that has crashed out the players have broken down, england just wandered off like nothing happened

[latter day saint]

Well that came back to bite you... lol

oh well ? was waiting to see if Boateng would take one.

[St.Jeweller]

another cheating S.American handball story!!!

 

surely they should introduce some kind of penalty 'goal' when you cheat your way out of a situation like that.

[chrisobee]

Hmm, Uruguay essentially cheat to deny a clear goal which would have been the winner and then win the shoot out, no justice.

Holland should be far too good for Uruguay especially with Uruguay having a few players suspended.

Returning to the last minute penalty, "great call by the ref" says the commentator ( Jim Beglin I think) when you would have had to be blind to miss it !

Edited 2 July, 2010 by chrisobee
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[Ponty]

oh well ? was waiting to see if Boateng would take one.

 

It had to be a bloke with lady hair who scored the winner though.

[Ponty]

Hmm, Uruguay essentially cheat to deny a clear goal which would have been the winner and then win the shoot out, no justice.

Holland should be far too good for Uruguay especially with Uruguay having a few players suspended.

Returning to the last minute penalty, "great call by the ref" says the commentator ( Jim Beglin I think) when you would have had to be blind to miss out !

 

The justice was the red card and penalty. As it has always been.

[chrisobee]

another cheating S.American handball story!!!

 

surely they should introduce some kind of penalty 'goal' when you cheat your way out of a situation like that.

 

Of course but can you imagine FIFA introducing something as innovative as that ?

[Ponty]

another cheating S.American handball story!!!

 

surely they should introduce some kind of penalty 'goal' when you cheat your way out of a situation like that.

 

A bit knee-jerk, surely?

[chrisobee]

The justice was the red card and penalty. As it has always been.

 

Just because it always has been the case doesn't make it right, penalty tries are awarded regularly in Rugby, League and Union. They are light years ahead of football in just about everything, bizarre when football is supposed to be the "world game."

[latter day saint]

It had to be a bloke with lady hair who scored the winner though.

sods law that

Uruguay wont be very popular in Africa at the moment,knocking out the hosts & the last team from the continent.

[chrisobee]

A bit knee-jerk, surely?

 

Methinks you are too set in your ways;)

[stevegrant]

The stupid thing about the handball is that he could probably have just headed it off the line

 

Cost me loads of fantasy league points, -1 for conceding the penalty, -3 for the red card. I did get a surprise bonus though, +1 for a save

[Ponty]

Just because it always has been the case doesn't make it right, penalty tries are awarded regularly in Rugby, League and Union. They are light years ahead of football in just about everything, bizarre when football is supposed to be the "world game."

 

I don't think the rules should be changed just because of today's game. If a Saints player made that same instinctive "save", and the opponents missed the pen, we'd all claim that the sacrifice of the red card was worth it.

[alpine_saint]

I hope FIFA ban Suarez for more than 1 game so his WC is over, and that Holland bury Uruguay.

 

Ghana were the much better team, played some lovely stuff that would make England blush over posession, fight and ball control, and were totally f**king robbed.

[St.Jeweller]

I don't think the rules should be changed just because of today's game. If a Saints player made that same instinctive "save", and the opponents missed the pen, we'd all claim that the sacrifice of the red card was worth it.

 

but after all this is the world cup finals which does some what multiplies this kind of incidents

[chrisobee]

I hope FIFA ban Suarez for more than 1 game so his WC is over, and that Holland bury Uruguay.

 

Ghana were the much better team, played some lovely stuff that would make England blush over posession, fight and ball control, and were totally f**king robbed.

 

I think Holland will beat Uruguay but if Uruguay did win it would be a mockery if Suarez played in the final. That said how many players would not have handled the ball ?

[Ponty]

It will be a one game ban, as dictated by the laws by which the game is played.

 

And, Chris, almost every player would have done the same. I think I'd be disappointed if a ball went past a Saints player in the same situation.

[stevegrant]

I don't see the big deal about the handball really, I'd expect any player to do the same in that situation... last minute of extra time in a world cup quarter-final, if it goes in, you're out, if you keep it out with your hands at least the keeper's got a chance of saving the penalty and keeping you in the competition.

[alpine_saint]

I think Holland will beat Uruguay but if Uruguay did win it would be a mockery if Suarez played in the final. That said how many players would not have handled the ball ?

 

Its a toughie, I know. But I resent Suarez being made out to have made some sort of noble sacrifice, as Chris Waddle has done on the BBC website.

[chrisobee]

I don't think the rules should be changed just because of today's game. If a Saints player made that same instinctive "save", and the opponents missed the pen, we'd all claim that the sacrifice of the red card was worth it.

 

Don't think I would if I'm being honest, I hate cheating and that was cheating at it's worst. Anyway something else for FIFA to mull over and do nothing !

[chrisobee]

Its a toughie, I know. But I resent Suarez being made out to have made some sort of noble sacrifice, as Chris Waddle has done on the BBC website.

 

Noble sacrifice, that's clearly nonsense.

[alpine_saint]

It will be a one game ban, as dictated by the laws by which the game is played.

 

And, Chris, almost every player would have done the same. I think I'd be disappointed if a ball went past a Saints player in the same situation.

 

Your attitude saddens me. And I reckon FIFA have the power to upgrade the ban.

[Ponty]

I don't see the big deal about the handball really, I'd expect any player to do the same in that situation... last minute of extra time in a world cup quarter-final, if it goes in, you're out, if you keep it out with your hands at least the keeper's got a chance of saving the penalty and keeping you in the competition.

Absolutely!

 

We might be outraged at the injustice of it all but it should be expected to happen.

If I was a Ghanaian I'd be more annoyed at the shocking pen which followed.

[Ponty]

Your attitude saddens me. And I reckon FIFA have the power to upgrade the ban.

 

Which attitude? The one where I accept the laws of the game or the one where I'd want Saints to avoid a last minute of extra time defeat?

[alpine_saint]

Which attitude? The one where I accept the laws of the game or the one where I'd want Saints to avoid a last minute of extra time defeat?

 

The fact that you try to justify such behaviour.

 

I guess sportmanship has nothing to do with the modern game anymore. As I said, very sad. I suppose you think Thierry Henry is a hero too.

[Saint Martini]

I think Holland will beat Uruguay but if Uruguay did win it would be a mockery if Suarez played in the final. That said how many players would not have handled the ball ?

 

Exactly! If a random England player would have done that to reach the semis you would all be applauding him for "taking one for the team". Suarez did it knowing very well what the penalty was and accepted it. Gamemanship yes, cheating no.

[chrisobee]

I don't see the big deal about the handball really, I'd expect any player to do the same in that situation... last minute of extra time in a world cup quarter-final, if it goes in, you're out, if you keep it out with your hands at least the keeper's got a chance of saving the penalty and keeping you in the competition.

 

Which attitude? The one where I accept the laws of the game or the one where I'd want Saints to avoid a last minute of extra time defeat?

 

And you're 2 of the admin team on here, I'm sure that's no coincidence

[Ponty]

The fact that you try to justify such behaviour.

 

I guess sportmanship has nothing to do with the modern game anymore. As I said, very sad. I suppose you think Thierry Henry is a hero too.

 

Don't be foolish. Why, in any debate, do you have to liken an opinion opposing yours to supporting some mental extreme? No wonder people snap at you, Alps.

[alpine_saint]

Don't be foolish. Why, in any debate, do you have to liken an opinion opposing yours to supporting some mental extreme? No wonder people snap at you, Alps.

 

What, calling the attitude you defend sad (and I meant sad, as in tragic, unfortunate, opposite of happy - I didnt mean pathetic), thats supporting a "mental extreme" ?

 

Seems you are a bit touchy and having trouble with your conscience about this.

[chrisobee]

Exactly! If a random England player would have done that to reach the semis you would all be applauding him for "taking one for the team". Suarez did it knowing very well what the penalty was and accepted it. Gamemanship yes, cheating no.

 

No, I was just trying to make the point that most players would have handled the ball, not that it was right. It's still cheating and 100% no I would never want England/Saints to win that way.

However, to avoid any doubt I'm not trying to take the moral high ground, I can see both points of view but I only agree with one which is a reasonable stance to take!

[chrisobee]

Don't be foolish. Why, in any debate, do you have to liken an opinion opposing yours to supporting some mental extreme? No wonder people snap at you, Alps.

 

Very unfair TBH

[alpine_saint]

For my part I can deep down grudginly accept this happens and if a team that I support benefited from it I wouldnt bleat about cheating, but in balance knowing my team could suffer from it or benefit from it, I would like to see a significant ban permissible for such actions. In the case of a WC or Euro, the tournament should automatically be over for that person. For something like the FA Cup, they should not be allowed to play in any following rounds.

[.comsaint]

The Uruguay player (Suarez) did the only thing he could do - handle it on the line and (rightfully) got sent off.

 

Can't see the problem or the issue here. Ghana got their reward for the incident - a penalty - and right at the very death.

 

The fact that they missed it is their hard luck. The gilt chance was there - but it wasn't taken. That's life (and football) ffs!

[Ponty]

What, calling the attitude you defend sad (and I meant sad, as in tragic, unfortunate, opposite of happy - I didnt mean pathetic), thats supporting a "mental extreme" ?

 

Seems you are a bit touchy and having trouble with your conscience about this.

 

Erm, no. I meant comparing a split-second reaction "save" to Henry fielding the ball and passing it for a goal. Not that I jumped on the outrage-bandwagon over that either. Sometimes you just have to be a bit objective about these things that are so often very subjective at first.

[alpine_saint]

The Uruguay player (Suarez) did the only thing he could do - handle it on the line and (rightfully) got sent off.

 

Can't see the problem or the issue here. Ghana got their reward for the incident - a penalty - and right at the very death.

 

The fact that they missed it is their hard luck. The gilt chance was there - but it wasn't taken. That's life (and football) ffs!

 

You've taken a lot of penos in front of 50000 people in WC QFs, have you ?

 

Sorry, that was not a gilt-edge chance, it was a terrifying moment for the guy. When Suarez cheated, he handed an unfair advantage to Uruguay.

[chrisobee]

The Uruguay player (Suarez) did the only thing he could do - handle it on the line

 

No, that's blatantly not true.

[alpine_saint]

No, that's blatantly not true.

 

Indeed; his head was still attached to his neck at the time....

[Ponty]

You've taken a lot of penos in front of 50000 people in WC QFs, have you ?

 

Sorry, that was not a gilt-edge chance, it was a terrifying moment for the guy. When Suarez cheated, he handed an unfair advantage to Uruguay.

 

TBF, he scored a peach 2 minutes later, under arguably more pressure. He really should've put the first one away.

[.comsaint]

You've taken a lot of penos in front of 50000 people in WC QFs, have you ?

 

Sorry, that was not a gilt-edge chance, it was a terrifying moment for the guy. When Suarez cheated, he handed an unfair advantage to Uruguay.

 

lol. What did you want to see happen Alpine? A set of wheeled wooden gallows towed out onto the pitch & Suarez hanged in front of the 50,000 crowd? Beheaded? A firing squad perhaps?

 

He cheated & handled the ball. Ghana's best player took the spot kick...and missed. Perhaps he should have been allowed to re-take it several times until he scored?

 

And if a penalty's not a 'gilt-edged' chance in the world of football - I don't know what is!

[syd_barrett_saint]

I hope FIFA ban Suarez for more than 1 game so his WC is over, and that Holland bury Uruguay.

 

Ghana were the much better team, played some lovely stuff that would make England blush over posession, fight and ball control, and were totally f**king robbed.

 

I thought Uruguay were the better team - Ghana only played well in patches. And the free kick for Ghana that led to the penalty was NEVER a free-kick, so in the end justice was done.

[Badger]

Hmm, Uruguay essentially cheat to deny a clear goal which would have been the winner and then win the shoot out, no justice.

Holland should be far too good for Uruguay especially with Uruguay having a few players suspended.

Returning to the last minute penalty, "great call by the ref" says the commentator ( Jim Beglin I think) when you would have had to be blind to miss it !

 

I can think of at least one referee who would probably have missed it, and I think he might be from Uruguay as well).

[chrisobee]

I can think of at least one referee who would probably have missed it, and I think he might be from Uruguay as well).

 

The referee for England v Germany was Jorge Larrionda of Uruguay though it was his linesmen who should have seen it. I'm not totally sure but as officials work in teams I guess the assistant was Uruguayan as well ? Fair to say the Uruguayans are gaining nothing in the popularity stakes though in the unlikely event of them winning the WC they'll clearly not give a damn.

In this case the referee would have had no excuse for not seeing it.

[Smirking_Saint]

Jesus christ, they got a penalty and Uraguay got a man sent off, how much more punishment is needed ? Does he need to be taken out by a group of marksmen perched on top of the commentary box ?

[teamsaint]

well I for one think that missing the semi will be punishment enough for suarez.

 

i have long thought that refs should be able to give a penalty goal in these situations.Seems to me its a natural reaction on the part of the defender to keep the ball out with the hand, even if it is cheating. It IS cheating......but then players cheat all the time, from nicking two yards at a throw in to trying to con penalties out of the ref.

 

and it may not be a popular view right now, but Uruguay have been one of the more entertaining teams in the tournament.

 

Got to feel sorry for Ghana though.

 

And the dutch would likely have beaten either in the semi.

[Andy_Porter]

Fair play to Suarez, I would have done exactly the same in his situation, he should be comended for taking one for both his country and team.

 

I'd be idolising any Southampton player who done the same thing.

 

I will be following Uruguay for the rest of the tournament, also lol @ the purists.

[Smirking_Saint]

True, i have been there, it is a natural reaction to stick a hand out and stop the ball, it just is.

 

Luckily i convinced the ref it was behind the line and he gave the goal. Does this make me a cheat ? Yeah probably, but it is weird how in a split second event your sub concious takes control and before you realised you have f*cked up.