Suites Re-named

[ooohTerryHurlock]

This has probably been done as a corporate branding exercise. When we are in the top flight we will be looking to attract the sort of prawn sandwich brigade to whom the words "Terry Paine" etc are meaningless. "The Executive Club" etc. has more of a shoulder pad and champers feel to it, and that's what the clientele may be after.

 

It's really no big deal IMO.

 

If our "legends" were the likes of Maradonna, Best, Cruyff etc then there would be some cache to suites named after them... but Paine, Stokes and in a few years MLT - to anyone other than old Saints fans? Don't think so.

 

I'm glad that we had Stokes (R.I.P) Paine and MLT as apposed to Maradonna ( a cheating Coke Head) or Best (An Alcoholic) and to me it is a BIG DEAL that the suites have been renamed. Legends are legends regardless how old you are, and from traditions and history you get your heritage and your pride. If we start forgeting the people like Paine and Stokes and MLT we might as well all just give up. Obviousily something went seriously wrong in your up bringing to come up with a warped view as the one posted!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I'm glad that we had Stokes (R.I.P) Paine and MLT as apposed to Maradonna ( a cheating Coke Head) or Best (An Alcoholic) and to me it is a BIG DEAL that the suites have been renamed. Legends are legends regardless how old you are, and from traditions and history you get your heritage and your pride. If we start forgeting the people like Paine and Stokes and MLT we might as well all just give up. Obviousily something went seriously wrong in your up bringing to come up with a warped view as the one posted!

 

This, as I said earlier.

 

I take on board what you are saying but, as a Saints fan, the names Paine, Stokes, Channon et al hold far more in my heart than the likes of Cruyff, Best & Maradona.

 

But then business doesn't work with a heart and it does look like NC may have lost his way a tad, IMHO.

[krissyboy31]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchdayHopsitalityIndex/0,,10280,00.html

 

Mmmm have you noticed when these were posted? Last December and last May (don't let the facts get in the way of a good bit of Cortese bashing though). As Weston has stated the suite names haven't changed, the content and hospitality has. If I remember correctly, the "new" carvery is actually the The Terry Paine Carvery.

[saint_mears]

Mmmm have you noticed when these were posted? Last December and last May (don't let the facts get in the way of a good bit of Cortese bashing though). As Weston has stated the suite names haven't changed, the content and hospitality has. If I remember correctly, the "new" carvery is actually the The Terry Paine Carvery.

 

Wrong dates for sure

[Junction 9]

I would happily pay to dine in the Wiltshire saint suite.

 

Sorely missed, never forgotten.

[docker-p]

I would agree with you if it were a Wembley, but this is St Marys, home of Southampton FC, where MLT is a Legend. It's a sorry day when any football club feels unable to celebrate their footballing icons.

 

Maybe NC is just another CEO who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.

This has probably been done as a corporate branding exercise. When we are in the top flight we will be looking to attract the sort of prawn sandwich brigade to whom the words "Terry Paine" etc are meaningless. "The Executive Club" etc. has more of a shoulder pad and champers feel to it, and that's what the clientele may be after.

 

It's really no big deal IMO.

 

If our "legends" were the likes of Maradonna, Best, Cruyff etc then there would be some cache to suites named after them... but Paine, Stokes and in a few years MLT - to anyone other than old Saints fans? Don't think so.

[benjii]

Don't the words 'old' and 'history' tend to go together? Are you saying club history now doesn't count any more? So what does being a supporter mean - that "this week I bought a ticket"?

 

No, I'm saying that the target market for people who buy corporate hospitality for top end sports events (which we aspire to host) have no idea who Terry Paine is and couldn't give a **** and would rather sit in something called The Executive Handjob Lounge than the Terry Paine suite which sounds like something out of Phoenix Nights.

[John Smith]

So, let me get this right, someone (DBP), is having a hissy fit because someone has changed the 'name' of a corporate package? And he's aghast at the incredulous Saints fans that can't empathise with the position. Strange, when Stu changed his name, didn’t we all empathise about this then? Maybe we're all empathised out at having a go at someone for changing their name without telling us? It's almost ironic. And I could almost cry!

[Gorgiesaint]

So, let me get this right, someone (DBP), is having a hissy fit because someone has changed the 'name' of a corporate package? And he's aghast at the incredulous Saints fans that can't empathise with the position. Strange, when Stu changed his name, didn’t we all empathise about this then? Maybe we're all empathised out at having a go at someone for changing their name without telling us? It's almost ironic. And I could almost cry!

 

Don't worry, it's only 5 weeks tomorrow to the start of the new season!!

 

[Weston Super Saint]

Wrong dates for sure

 

Lol.

 

So, are you saying it's all a conspiracy and that the evil NC cooked up a plan with the Joker to not only re-name the corporate packages, but also put up some articles on the OS and back date them to a couple of months before he even took over the running of the club.

 

Such a shame that his dastardly plan was foiled by those pesky kids and Dave Benson and Hedges Phillips

[Big Bad Bob]

SO basically the packages have been renamed, the Suites that the packages are held in though still have the same name!

 

Move along, nothing to see here

 

:badger:

[The Kraken]

No, I'm saying that the target market for people who buy corporate hospitality for top end sports events (which we aspire to host) have no idea who Terry Paine is and couldn't give a **** and would rather sit in something called The Executive Handjob Lounge than the Terry Paine suite which sounds like something out of Phoenix Nights.

 

Sold. Where do I sign up?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

If Rupert had done this there would have been uproar.

 

Yep... remember the comotion caused by the Doncaster train? Pages and pages saying what a disgrace.

 

Nicola renames all of the suites ( on matchdays at the very least ) which were named in honour of Southampton legends and he gets a pat on the back.

 

Amusing.

Edited 3 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Lol.

 

So, are you saying it's all a conspiracy and that the evil NC cooked up a plan with the Joker to not only re-name the corporate packages, but also put up some articles on the OS and back date them to a couple of months before he even took over the running of the club.

 

Such a shame that his dastardly plan was foiled by those pesky kids and Dave Benson and Hedges Phillips

 

1) The dates ARE wrong ( I haven't even see an article with earlier dates on but I have been in the Matt Le Tiss Suite last season )

 

2) I have posted the link to the supporters charter, written by Cortese himself in December talking about 'The Channon Club' and 'The Matt Le Tissier Suite'

[NickG]

Yep... remember the comotion caused by the Doncaster train? Pages and pages saying what a disgrace.

 

Nicola renames all of the suites ( on matchdays at the very least ) which were named in honour of Southampton legends and he gets a pat on the back.

 

Amusing.

 

There would not have been a commotion if Lowe had done that just before we went to Cardiff.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

There would not have been a commotion if Lowe had done that just before we went to Cardiff.

 

Am I missing something?

 

Could you explain... I've completely lost your point, for a minute there I thought we were in the FA Cup Final.

[NickG]

talking about PR - Lowe got away with a lot of his crap when we were doing well

[Daren W]

For what it's worth, yes, what the suites are called is an issue as they were named after Saints legends. Had Lowe done this there would be genuine outrage, why should it be any different as it's Cortese?

 

The problem here is the derision from people for whom certain issues don't affect them and therefore those issues are irrelevent.

 

Installment plans? Don't use them, no importance to me...

Half season tickets Don't use them, no importance to me...

Change of name at the hospitality suite? Don't use them, no importance to me...

 

At what stage would anything be of of any importance to some people on here? When it affects them? Are we that hard faced or shallow that we show such little empathy for others that we can overlook some rather serious issues?

 

Installment plans? Not everyone, at no notice, can russle up £350. Doesn't make them bad people, doesn't make them poor people. It just makes them people who expected an established payment method, that was promised to be kept by a recently published fans charter, to be upheld.

 

Half season tickets? Not one statement from the club as to why this has been withdrawn. Costs? No a point in any way shape or form and it's an issue that needs to be addressed.

 

Change of name at the executive rooms? In a year where we're celebrating our history, am I the only one finding it odd that the club suddenly ignores famous names of the past?

 

Take one of the above changes to the club and it's not an issue. Add them all up and it's a different picture and it shows a club slowly but surely ignoring the public and considering the past, that's an unhealthy route to follow. I'm sick of people on here slaughtering the likes of Dune, Stu and DBP and writing them off as being extremist nuts for simply questioning the club. This is now the third issue of concern and like installment plans, half season ticket prices, booking charges etc people on here are writing them off as being alarmist or being over the top.

 

One issue at a time and you have a point. Add them all together and you have real sign of some forthcoming, underlining issues...

 

Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it, and if we don't have fans questioning the new board and the new chairman then we may end up in a similar situation to before....

[Dave Benson Phillips]

That's the problem Daren,

 

Most people on this board are not affected by the installment plans, but they fail to see there is a real issue to some people who did rely on it and that, regardless of the numbers, there is an issue. I PROVED with FACTS that there is no/very minimal costs for the club to run one, yet people still used that as an excuse.

 

One person suggested defaulters were the reason... then all of a sudden a dozen jumped on the bandwagon using that an excuse, when it's clearly not the issue.

 

To my complete amazement we also had people on here giving financial advice and suggesting that people who relied on the installment plan don't deserve a season ticket... absolutely unbelievable and snobbery at its best.

 

The car parking has almost doubled, there are people scurrying round trying to find a legitimate reason... there's not one.

 

It really could not be more obvious that the club does not want season ticket holders, yet the super fans on here still dispute this.

 

The re-naming of the Suites ( or matchday packages ) is not a big issue on its own, but when you add it to everything else you get a picture of how Cortese views the club. It is his ball and he doesn't want to let anyone else play with it... simple as that. I am pretty sure there was a competition/poll to name the suites by the Echo or something. It is clear that Cortese views Southamptons history as starting in 2009 and anything before is irrelevent. Absolutely clear as day. But people refuse to accept this... some people actually have come out and said they are happy for history to start from last year and legends forgot! Absolutely mindblowing.

[Faz]

For what it's worth, yes, what the suites are called is an issue as they were named after Saints legends. Had Lowe done this there would be genuine outrage, why should it be any different as it's Cortese?

 

The problem here is the derision from people for whom certain issues don't affect them and therefore those issues are irrelevent.

 

Installment plans? Don't use them, no importance to me...

Half season tickets Don't use them, no importance to me...

Change of name at the hospitality suite? Don't use them, no importance to me...

 

At what stage would anything be of of any importance to some people on here? When it affects them? Are we that hard faced or shallow that we show such little empathy for others that we can overlook some rather serious issues?

 

Installment plans? Not everyone, at no notice, can russle up £350. Doesn't make them bad people, doesn't make them poor people. It just makes them people who expected an established payment method, that was promised to be kept by a recently published fans charter, to be upheld.

 

Half season tickets? Not one statement from the club as to why this has been withdrawn. Costs? No a point in any way shape or form and it's an issue that needs to be addressed.

 

Change of name at the executive rooms? In a year where we're celebrating our history, am I the only one finding it odd that the club suddenly ignores famous names of the past?

 

Take one of the above changes to the club and it's not an issue. Add them all up and it's a different picture and it shows a club slowly but surely ignoring the public and considering the past, that's an unhealthy route to follow. I'm sick of people on here slaughtering the likes of Dune, Stu and DBP and writing them off as being extremist nuts for simply questioning the club. This is now the third issue of concern and like installment plans, half season ticket prices, booking charges etc people on here are writing them off as being alarmist or being over the top.

 

One issue at a time and you have a point. Add them all together and you have real sign of some forthcoming, underlining issues...

 

Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it, and if we don't have fans questioning the new board and the new chairman then we may end up in a similar situation to before....

 

At the risk of appearing thick, and not wanting to ***** anyone's pomposity here:

 

1. Have the names of the rooms actually been changed, or is it merely the names of the Clubs which use them on Match Days? I ask because I recently atttended an event in the Mick Channon Suite

2. Did the change of Club/Room name happen before or after NC's arrival?

[Wes Tender]

I would happily pay to dine in the Wiltshire saint suite.

 

Sorely missed, never forgotten.

 

Ah, yes. The Spam fritters were to die for....*sigh*

[Dave Benson Phillips]

At the risk of appearing thick, and not wanting to ***** anyone's pomposity here:

 

1. Have the names of the rooms actually been changed, or is it merely the names of the Clubs which use them on Match Days? I ask because I recently atttended an event in the Mick Channon Suite

2. Did the change of Club/Room name happen before or after NC's arrival?

 

They are possibly still called MLT Suite, Mick Channon Suite etc possibly, but their names not being used. The hospitality packages were named after them and no longer are.

 

And the changes have happened over the last 6 months, so yes, in Cortese's reign.

 

As a single issue, not a massive problem, added to everything else and you get a picture what is happening. Also, as has been said on here... if Lowe had done that he would have been torn apart. Cortese really can seem to do no wrong by a small but very noisy and loyal group of people on here.

Edited 3 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips

[Charlie Wayman]

I'm sure the "we'll accept anything" brigade on here will still call us moaners if we keep highlighting waht's happening at our club.

 

Gentleman, wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. We are suffering one insult after another as has been listed on here repeatedly, Comes a time when even mushrooms won't grow if too much ****e is shovelled on them.

 

We are being re-invented step-by-step just like Wimbledon of yore. Chances are the team we support will end up in a fantastic new stadium in Basle or Geneva if this carries on...

 

Point is, what will there be left of our HISTORIC SFC CLUB when this bunch of winkers have finished with it?

 

Success at any cost? I don't think so and certainly not for me.

 

We have been truly disenfranchised and nothing we say or do seems to have any impact on slowing the momentum being built secretly in the boardroom and beyond. Heed the warning! The most discontented fans live in Manchester and Liverpool with private rich foreign owners, which cannot be a co-incidence.

 

How long before the statue disappears? How long indeed. If I were living closer, I'd pop round and see if it is still there every day. BET it turns up on the new charity Auction Site soon.

 

I am really wondering about sending my new ST back, really, really wondering.......

[buctootim]

At the risk of appearing thick, and not wanting to ***** anyone's pomposity here:

 

1. Have the names of the rooms actually been changed, or is it merely the names of the Clubs which use them on Match Days? I ask because I recently atttended an event in the Mick Channon Suite

2. Did the change of Club/Room name happen before or after NC's arrival?

 

No the room names havent been changed. The MLT suite, Channon etc will continue to host a variety of functions, each with its own name - just like St Mary's Church Hall will host a variety of clubs and societies during the week. Stu needs to understand that simply by hosting a get together round his gaffe doesnt mean his address changes to 37 Lemon Party Road.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

No the room names havent been changed. The MLT suite, Channon etc will continue to host a variety of functions, each with its own name - just like St Mary's Church Hall will host a variety of clubs and societies during the week. Stu needs to understand that simply by hosting a get together round his gaffe doesnt mean his address changes to 37 Lemon Party Road.

 

The hospitality packages have always been named after the legends. FACT

 

Like I said, not a big issue as an individual thing, but when you add it to the rest of the things happening at the club, in my opinion I do not like the direction the club is taking.

 

The people like yourself with the " success and Premiership at any cost " will accept everything that is thrown at them within reason.

 

I don't want success at any cost, I would rather stay in League 1 than be constantly treated like a c*nt by the club. I know for a fact I am not alone.

[scott_saints]

I don't come on here much in pre season as there is not really anything to talk about. I am not surprised you lot have found things to talk about.

 

Chill out people.

[buctootim]

The hospitality packages have always been named after the legends. FACT

 

Like I said, not a big issue as an individual thing, but when you add it to the rest of the things happening at the club, in my opinion I do not like the direction the club is taking.

 

The people like yourself with the " success and Premiership at any cost " will accept everything that is thrown at them within reason.

 

I don't want success at any cost, I would rather stay in League 1 than be constantly treated like a c*nt by the club. I know for a fact I am not alone.

 

Stu for what its worth I would guess that the club intend to make much more use of the grounds facilities during the week, not just on matchdays. If you are running several events a week in the same room you need to differentiate between the name of the room and the name of the event - otherwise people get confused and marketing is a nightmare. Also the club dont yet know how popular each of the new matchday packages is going to be. Once they know likely numbers they will proabably confirm which rooms and venues they are going to use for each and make more use of the room names. Its really not a conspiracy to **** people off - or even simple incompetence.

Edited 3 July, 2010 by buctootim

[Saint in Paradise]

 

I know for a fact I am not alone.

 

I thought you were seeing as a skate just dumped you by text ?

 

 

.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I thought you were seeing as a skate just dumped you by text ?

 

 

.

 

It's ok, I still have the bird who has the boyfriend coming round later.

[Saint in Paradise]

It's ok, I still have the bird who has the boyfriend coming round later.

 

That's a relief then:lol:

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Stu for what its worth I would guess that the club intend to make much more use of the grounds facilities during the week, not just on matchdays. If you are running several events a week in the same room you need to differentiate between the name of the room and the name of the event - otherwise people get confused and marketing is a nightmare. Also the club dont yet know how popular each of the new matchday packages is going to be. Once they know likely numbers they will proabably confirm which rooms and venues they are going to use for each and make more use of the room names. Its really not a conspiracy to **** people off - or even simple incompetence.

 

Not really, matchday hospitality and conferencing and events are dealt with by 2 seperate departments at SFC ( or at least they were 18 months ago and I see no reason why they shouldn't be now ). And in any case, you would think they would retain the names for the football related events and change it for the non-matchday events if that was the case, wouldn't you?

 

It is just Cortese being completely out of touch with reality and probably included in that, being bitter with MLT.

Edited 3 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips

[Dave Benson Phillips]

That's a relief then:lol:

 

Yep, she has just gone home to get cleaned up. She will be back soon.

[buctootim]

Not really, matchday hospitality and conferencing and events are dealt with by 2 seperate departments at SFC ( or at least they were 18 months ago and I see no reason why they shouldn't be now ). And in any case, you would think they would retain the names for the football related events and change it for the non-matchday events if that was the case, wouldn't you?

 

It is just Cortese being completely out of touch with reality and probably included in that, being bitter with MLT.

 

But what happened 18 months ago is irrelevant. The clubs hospitality functions were contracted out to an an outside caterer then. The club have recently created a new company 'Halo' (Saints enough for you?) and appointed an new Head honcho from Lausanne (its on the OS somewhere) to bring the events in house. You dont appoint a new head with the intention of only running events one day a week.

 

edit here http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/SEMConference/0,,10280,00.html

Edited 3 July, 2010 by buctootim
add link

[Dave Benson Phillips]

But what happened 18 months ago is irrelevant. The clubs hospitality functions were contracted out to an an outside caterer then. The club have recently appointed an new Head honcho from Lausanne (its on the OS somewhere) to bring the events in house. You dont appoint a new head with the intention of only running events one day a week.

 

edit here http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/SEMConference/0,,10280,00.html

 

Fair comment it might have changed now, but Corporate Hospitality will still be done by the Sponsorship team and Events and Conferences by Halo in my opinion... they are 2 different revenues.

 

I do admire your loyal defence of Cortese.

 

If it was to do with marketing then surely they would have kept the Mick Channon, MLT etc names for the football related stuff and dropped them for the non-football related stuff? No?

[buctootim]

If it was to do with marketing then surely they would have kept the Mick Channon, MLT etc names for the football related stuff and dropped them for the non-football related stuff? No?

 

Lets see how it pans out when the season actually starts. I'll bet you a new organic feta cheese and spinach wrap that the players names are still prominent.

[Faz]

So let me get this straight.

 

* The names of the Suites have not changed. If you buy a ticket it won't say "Executive Club @ The Matt Le Tissier Suite", but instead will say "Executive Club", and presumably a clue on the ticket as to what Suite to turn up at.

* The instalment plan was insufficiently used to make it cost effective.

* Half-season tickets are insufficiently used to warrent the cost of marketing and administration

* The car parking, previously cross-subsidised by other matchday income, is now being charged at full cost

 

We are in danger of losing our club

[Dave Benson Phillips]

So let me get this straight.

 

* The names of the Suites have not changed. If you buy a ticket it won't say "Executive Club @ The Matt Le Tissier Suite", but instead will say "Executive Club", and presumably a clue on the ticket as to what Suite to turn up at.

 

No, it was known as Mick Channon Family Club, Terry Paine Carvery, Matt Le Tissier Executive Club etc etc Like I have said a million times, it's not a big issue on it's own, but add it to all the other stuff and Cortese's reluctance to recognise history is worrying.

 

* The instalment plan was insufficiently used to make it cost effective.

 

Where did you get that one from? Seriously... nobody knows how many people used them ( I suspect it's more than the 10% that people have said. Even if it was, are you honestly telling me that it's not worth 1300 season ticket sales ( about £500,000 ) ? Not cost effective? Really?

 

* Half-season tickets are insufficiently used to warrent the cost of marketing and administration

 

We sold 2000 of them last season, I hope to god you don't run your own business if you think printing and posting out a little booklet is not worth £350,000

 

* The car parking, previously cross-subsidised by other matchday income, is now being charged at full cost

 

Can you show me a link and figures as to how it was cross-subsidised? Where did you get this information from? Can I see it? Or as per all you other points, are you talking rubbish.

 

We are in danger of losing our club

 

Now I have heard some rubbish spouted by people trying to stick up for Cortese in my time, but your post takes the biscuit fella!

[SuperMikey]

Stu, have you ever thought about writing for The Daily Mail?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Stu, have you ever thought about writing for The Daily Mail?

 

Put me in contact.

[Faz]

[quote=dave benson phillips;771725 originally posted by faz

so let me get this straight.

 

* the names of the suites have not changed. If you buy a ticket it won't say "executive club @ the matt le tissier suite", but instead will say "executive club", and presumably a clue on the ticket as to what suite to turn up at.

 

No, it was known as mick channon family club, terry paine carvery, matt le tissier executive club etc etc like i have said a million times, it's not a big issue on it's own, but add it to all the other stuff and cortese's reluctance to recognise history is worrying.your're right, its a non-issue

 

* the instalment plan was insufficiently used to make it cost effective.

 

Where did you get that one from? Seriously... Nobody knows how many people used them ( i suspect it's more than the 10% that people have said. Even if it was, are you honestly telling me that it's not worth 1300 season ticket sales ( about £500,000 ) ? Not cost effective? Really? why, on good god's earth would nc cut off his nose to spite his face?

 

* half-season tickets are insufficiently used to warrent the cost of marketing and administration

 

we sold 2000 of them last season, i hope to god you don't run your own business if you think printing and posting out a little booklet is not worth £350,000see answer above, i think i'll stck with nc's business acumen rather than stueynomics

 

* the car parking, previously cross-subsidised by other matchday income, is now being charged at full cost

 

can you show me a link and figures as to how it was cross-subsidised?no where did you get this information from? t'internet - posted on thatthread, can't be arsed to look it upcan i see it? Or as per all you other points, are you talking rubbish.of course i'm talking rubbish. My post is based on supposition, rumour, inuendo and a loose understanding of what facts are in the public domain. Sound familiar?

 

we are in danger of losing our club]now i have heard some rubbish spouted by people trying to stick up for cortese in my time, but your post takes the biscuit fella!

 

hth

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Faz, if you are going to come to the table with theories as to why decisions are made, if you want them to be taken seriously then back it up with figures.

 

Installment plan creates AT LEAST £1/2m of revenue. FACT

 

Half-season tickets cost next to no administration time and created £350,000 of revenue. FACT

 

With regards to the last point, you have taken someone posting that maybe the parking was previously subsidised and you are now posting it as a fact.

 

Seriously, lol.

[NickG]

To keep it off the other thread.

 

It seems Bobby Stokes, Mick Channon, Matt Le Tissier and Terry Paine have had the honour of having suites names after them removed, as well as the Ambassadors Club for former players being stopped.

 

The Suites are now called...

 

1885 Club

Executive Club

The New Carvery

 

Why does the new regime appear to be so reluctant to appreciate our history. Kind of ironic seeing as though they are working so hard plugging the '125th Anniversary Kit'

 

genuinely confused about this - yes or no, is this first post accurate?

[buctootim]

genuinely confused about this - yes or no, is this first post accurate?

 

Nick. Suppose you want to hold a corporate training event for telesales staff on a Tuesday at SMS. Do you think you will be offered : A) The Terry Paine Suite or B) The New Carvery. Stu knows its just the names of the Saturday hospitality packages which have been renamed - not the names of the rooms themselves - but he has his own agenda.

[Ponty]

No.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Nick. Suppose you want to hold a corporate training event for telesales staff on a Tuesday at SMS. Do you think you will be offered : A) The Terry Paine Suite or B) The New Carvery. Stu knows its just the names of the Saturday hospitality packages which have been renamed - not the names of the rooms themselves - but he has his own agenda.

 

You are the one making it a bigger deal than it is, it was just an observatation to discuss, slow news day, once again the same old people jump onto the thread and start shouting Cortese's defences.

 

The fact they have taken the players names off the hospitality packages ( in our 125 year ) is just another example of many how our history is being forgotton.

 

It is also another example of how fickle people can be. I have no doubt if Lowe done that then he would have been publicly slaughtered, as he was for simply putting a picture of a train up.

 

I understand there are people like you that are obsessed with Saints getting to the Premiership and have a "success at any cost" attitude, I appreciate why you might think like that and as a result, can understand why you probably look at Cortese as a good thing to SFC.

 

For every person who wants "success at any cost" there is someone who simply just wants a club to be proud of and to feel part of the club. I and many people are not bothered about the Premiership and trying to compete with the Chelseas etc, give me League 1 and value for money / respect from the club / a history any day of the week.

 

Can you not understand there are 2 types of supporters?

[Daren W]

genuinely confused about this - yes or no, is this first post accurate?

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchdayHospitality/0,,10280~1656597,00.html

 

From the site it looks as if all mention of Bobby Stokes, Mick Channon, Matt Le Tissier and Terry Paine have been taken out...

 

Don't let the dates of the articles fool you as I booked places in the Mick Channon suite for the last game of the season and the site had it listed as the Mick Channon suite, now it's know as the 1885 club and it shows an increase 25% on last year...

 

No one seems to be commenting on it but as this year we're being told of the importance of history, is it not odd that the names of 4 of our greatest players have been taken off the suites?

 

Or are we going to ignore that as well?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/MatchdayHospitality/0,,10280~1656597,00.html

 

From the site it looks as if all mention of Bobby Stokes, Mick Channon, Matt Le Tissier and Terry Paine have been taken out...

 

Don't let the dates of the articles fool you as I booked places in the Mick Channon suite for the last game of the season and the site had it listed as the Mick Channon suite, now it's know as the 1885 club and it shows an increase 25% on last year...

 

No one seems to be commenting on it but as this year we're being told of the importance of history, is it not odd that the names of 4 of our greatest players have been taken off the suites?

 

Or are we going to ignore that as well?

 

I am afraid you are fighting a losing battle with the same old 10 faces that pop up on every single thread. It doesn't matter what proof you give them, what links you post, what figures you show them.

 

I think it is more to do with disagreeing with me than honestly disagreeing with what I and others have been saying, this is shown when you prove them wrong by posting links etc of factual information, which is just ignored by them.

 

Yet when they speak, they do so as if they have the facts, even though they can show no proof or give no reasoning... Buctootim is an example of this, he is speaking as if he KNOWS that the suites are still going to be advertised in the honour of our legends... yet he hasn't spoken to anyone and is just guessing.

 

It's impossible to try and have a serious debate with people when they are like that.

[Daren W]

Nick. Suppose you want to hold a corporate training event for telesales staff on a Tuesday at SMS. Do you think you will be offered : A) The Terry Paine Suite or B) The New Carvery. Stu knows its just the names of the Saturday hospitality packages which have been renamed - not the names of the rooms themselves - but he has his own agenda.

 

But surely it's the matchday names that count???? I can understand changing the names for non footballing corporate but on matchdays surely the name of the suite is the biggest deal????

 

I don't think it's about an agenda, if the name of the suites is changed on a matchday then that is a big deal.... end of story...

[SaintRobbie]

NC can called them the Portsmouth Suites for all I care as long as he delivers Saints to the Premiership!

[Thedelldays]

I can see both sides...but at the end of the day..they are rooms...that is it..

 

if people are getting upset that we COULD be changing the names of a room that (im guessing here) hardly any of us use...then that is a tad OTT imo

if we REALLY cared about remembering our greats..where are the campaigns to get the stands renamed after them..? hell, why not change the name of the ground or campaign for a statue of MLT...???