Suites Re-named

[Secret Site Agent]

Is this further Cortese bashing without all the facts?

 

I am a member of the Executive Club at the Rose Bowl. It is called the executive club. My pass says Executive Club. It is situated in the Robin Smith Suite.

 

Could it be the names of the "rooms" are the same and that all the club have done is be a bit clearer what the product offers?

I'm sorry but what is wrong with everyone? this time last year we didn't have a club, he has come with someone with a big wad of cash and justs wants us to be a success, a big club once again. And all people do is slag him of for the littlest things and MIND READ. Leave him alone for **** sake for five minutes and whne he does something of note, Like saking pardew for only having a 95 % success rate, or he sells Ricky for £10k then give him ****, overwise lets just let him do his job, which is to do what is in the best interst of the majority of Stakeholders. And guess what? that aint just made up of fans.

 

(By the way, just to clarify I was agreeing with Weston where he was showing the trivialities, not picking him out for scorn.)

[hypochondriac]

I'm sorry but what is wrong with everyone? this time last year we didn't have a club, he has come with someone with a big wad of cash and justs wants us to be a success, a big club once again. And all people do is slag him of for the littlest things and MIND READ. Leave him alone for **** sake for five minutes and whne he does something of note, Like saking pardew for only having a 95 % success rate, or he sells Ricky for £10k then give him ****, overwise lets just let him do his job, which is to do what is in the best interst of the majority of Stakeholders. And guess what? that aint just made up of fans.

 

(By the way, just to clarify I was agreeing with Weston where he was showing the trivialities, not picking him out for scorn.)

 

If someone uses this line one more time! FFS. I will say it again. JUST BECAUSE MARKUS BOUGHT US, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CANNOT QUESTION AND CRITICISE DECISIONS WHICH WE BELIEVE TO NOT BE GREAT OF WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN MANY IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. Got it? Good.

[Scummer]

In December the Carvery was called the Terry Paine Carvery:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1905597,00.html

 

Although those stories on the website are dated last May, I think they may have been edited since then.

[buctootim]

Of all the Cortese obsessed threads Stu has started recently, this is the most laughable. Do you have homo erotic thoughts Stu?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

In December the Carvery was called the Terry Paine Carvery:

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1905597,00.html

 

Although those stories on the website are dated last May, I think they may have been edited since then.

 

P*rtsmouth FC Cup Hospitality details...

 

http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1947783,00.html

 

( I wonder if Dulldays will ignore this fact that he has been proven wrong again )

[hypochondriac]

Certainly looks like they have renamed them...

[OldNick]

I wouldnt be surprised if NC would wish to take away MLT and there names off the suites in revenge for criticism given.

DBP has an axe to grind and will look at anything to have a bit of poison injected.

[channonball]

If Cortese f***s off because he is sick of all the baiting and bashing he gets, let see where end up then.

 

Dave, you should pick your battles and make a fuss about issues that genuinely matter and then work out a way of communicating them to the club so you don't get their backs up. I accept you are probably right to complain about the ticketing issues, but if you don't approach the club in the right way, they are less likely to help you.

[hypochondriac]

If Cortese f***s off because he is sick of all the baiting and bashing he gets, let see where end up then.

 

Dave, you should pick your battles and make a fuss about issues that genuinely matter and then work out a way of communicating them to the club so you don't get their backs up. I accept you are probably right to complain about the ticketing issues, but if you don't approach the club in the right way, they are less likely to help you.

 

If you truly believe we will be f*cked if Cortese leaves then lol@u. Seriously.

[rallyboy]

Never let your ignorance of the facts prevent you from having a strong opinion on any subject - and imposing it on anyone who is dim enough to listen.

 

I see no facts, no story - until the names are dropped I will remain bubbling under in a pre-outraged state, just in case - ready to launch at short notice.

[hypochondriac]

Never let your ignorance of the facts prevent you from having a strong opinion on any subject - and imposing it on anyone who is dim enough to listen.

 

I see no facts, no story - until the names are dropped I will remain bubbling under in a pre-outraged state, just in case - ready to launch at short notice.

 

I see no problem in commenting on a scenario. The fact the names have been dropped suggests that they have done away with them. IF that is the case then I will be very disappointed. IF not then fair enough.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

If Cortese f***s off because he is sick of all the baiting and bashing he gets, let see where end up then.

 

Dave, you should pick your battles and make a fuss about issues that genuinely matter and then work out a way of communicating them to the club so you don't get their backs up. I accept you are probably right to complain about the ticketing issues, but if you don't approach the club in the right way, they are less likely to help you.

 

I don't think Cortese will f*ck off because someone questions why they have dropped the legends names of the Corporate Hospitality packages, discussing it on an internet forum. Do you?

 

And I did contructively question the club about ticketing, spent hours and hours researching my case and presenting it to them, only to be told... 'tough luck, we are not going to talk about it' - I even waited 17 days for a reply before I sent a follow-up.

 

I am not getting my knickers in a twist over this, I just think it's a bit of a shame, that's all... and it ties in with Benali being banned and Le Tiss, Mac and Keegan getting slated.

[trousers]

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[Dave Benson Phillips]

Never let your ignorance of the facts prevent you from having a strong opinion on any subject - and imposing it on anyone who is dim enough to listen.

 

I see no facts, no story - until the names are dropped I will remain bubbling under in a pre-outraged state, just in case - ready to launch at short notice.

 

The names have been dropped from the hospitality packages, that is a fact. Regardless of whether the suites still have the 'name' above the door.

 

And the Ambassadors Club has gone, that also is a fact.

[NickG]

I don't think Cortese will f*ck off because someone questions why they have dropped the legends names of the Corporate Hospitality packages, discussing it on an internet forum. Do you?

 

And I did contructively question the club about ticketing, spent hours and hours researching my case and presenting it to them, only to be told... 'tough luck, we are not going to talk about it' - I even waited 17 days for a reply before I sent a follow-up.

 

I am not getting my knickers in a twist over this, I just think it's a bit of a shame, that's all... and it ties in with Benali being banned and Le Tiss, Mac and Keegan getting slated.

 

how were they "slated"?

[miserableoldgit]

Where do you suggest we find out from? A reply is hardly likely to be forthcoming from the club.

So we assume that the original post is 100% correct and march on SMS with our flaming torches and pitchforks? Or do we reserve judgment until the facts can be verified? Depends on your agenda, I suppose.

[hypochondriac]

So we assume that the original post is 100% correct and march on SMS with our flaming torches and pitchforks? Or do we reserve judgment until the facts can be verified? Depends on your agenda, I suppose.

 

No, we speculate and discuss something on a messageboard. It certainly seems from that article that the names have been removed. As I have already said that is disappointing if that is the case. I am simply speculating about if something is the case.

[Thedelldays]

No, we speculate and discuss something on a messageboard. It certainly seems from that article that the names have been removed. As I have already said that is disappointing if that is the case. I am simply speculating about if something is the case.

 

no, we dont speculate...others tell us it as "fact" and you are a **** if you dont agree

[Dave Benson Phillips]

So we assume that the original post is 100% correct and march on SMS with our flaming torches and pitchforks? Or do we reserve judgment until the facts can be verified? Depends on your agenda, I suppose.

 

Nobody is asking for anyone to protest, it's pre-season, not alot of news about, so discuss it. If it doesn't interest you, don't discuss it.

 

As an individual act, although not good ( the names have definately been taken off the packages, even if they have not the suites ) , I don't have a massive problem, but if you add it on to the wider picture, you get a better idea of how our club is being run / how it will be run in the future... unless of course you are part of the " Don't upset Nicola, he might leave us " group.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

no, we dont speculate...others tell us it as "fact" and you are a **** if you dont agree

 

It's a fact the names have been taken off the packages at the very least.

 

It's a fact the ambassadors club is no more ( although this was done in Decemberish time )

 

Its a fact you are wrong and they have been removed by Cortese and not the previous regime.

 

Its a fact you won't recognise this and admit you were wrong.

 

These are facts.

 

It is also a fact that as we speak , the Ted Bates Trophy game won't be happening ( although there is still time )

 

Add them all together and there is reason to debate whether or not the club want to recognise players and managers who have contributed to Southampton FC's history, especially in our 125th anniversary year.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

If someone uses this line one more time! FFS. I will say it again. JUST BECAUSE MARKUS BOUGHT US, DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE CANNOT QUESTION AND CRITICISE DECISIONS WHICH WE BELIEVE TO NOT BE GREAT OF WHICH THERE HAVE BEEN MANY IN THE PAST FEW MONTHS. Got it? Good.

 

Hypo - I agree.

Now perhaps you can see what I was rattling on about 12 months ago?

[hypochondriac]

no, we dont speculate...others tell us it as "fact" and you are a **** if you dont agree

 

I never said that, nor have I called you a ****. I just think you are totally wrong.

[Arizona]

As far as I'm concerned they can call it the 'I take it up the batty from John W******d Suite'. Is this really the latest scandal we're getting outraged about?

[Saint Fan CaM]

It's a fact the names have been taken off the packages at the very least.

 

It's a fact the ambassadors club is no more ( although this was done in Decemberish time )

 

Its a fact you are wrong and they have been removed by Cortese and not the previous regime.

 

Its a fact you won't recognise this and admit you were wrong.

 

These are facts.

 

It is also a fact that as we speak , the Ted Bates Trophy game won't be happening ( although there is still time )

 

Add them all together and there is reason to debate whether or not the club want to recognise players and managers who have contributed to Southampton FC's history, especially in our 125th anniversary year.

 

Can we just try to get his thread to 134 pages please? I mean we really need the diversion and this subject is so vital that if we don't reach that many pages, I really don't think we'll have given it enough thought and exposure. So with that in mind please feel free to abuse me as that will add to the thread posts. You don't need to worry about presenting any viable problem or issue - just get that post count up. It really is a serious matter that needs debating.

[hypochondriac]

Hypo - I agree.

Now perhaps you can see what I was rattling on about 12 months ago?

 

Yes but in fairness mate there was absolutely no evidence for what you were saying 12 months ago, you knew things that the rest of us didn't. All I was ever saying was that I was prepared to give Cortese a chance and would judge for myself his actions. He has of course proven you right, but I still believe that the original cautious approach was the correct one given what I knew at the time and what I had witnessed myself at the fans forum.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

This has probably been done as a corporate branding exercise. When we are in the top flight we will be looking to attract the sort of prawn sandwich brigade to whom the words "Terry Paine" etc are meaningless. "The Executive Club" etc. has more of a shoulder pad and champers feel to it, and that's what the clientele may be after.

 

It's really no big deal IMO.

 

If our "legends" were the likes of Maradonna, Best, Cruyff etc then there would be some cache to suites named after them... but Paine, Stokes and in a few years MLT - to anyone other than old Saints fans? Don't think so.

 

Don't the words 'old' and 'history' tend to go together? Are you saying club history now doesn't count any more? So what does being a supporter mean - that "this week I bought a ticket"?

[Thedelldays]

ok..lets pretend for a mo that all this is deliberate..

 

then what..? do we ask NC to leave..?

[hypochondriac]

ok..lets pretend for a mo that all this is deliberate..

 

then what..? do we ask NC to leave..?

 

For a start I would suggest some publicity to highlight the strength of fan feeling over the issue. The likes of the Echo and Solent may be a good way to go.

[Thedelldays]

For a start I would suggest some publicity to highlight the strength of fan feeling over the issue. The likes of the Echo and Solent may be a good way to go.

 

 

strength...? what strength..?

you have numbers in mind..?

 

dont mistake this place for some sort of large swell of feeling within the fan base..

 

any one of these threads is frequested by about 15 different posters...not really massive is it..

[Dave Benson Phillips]

As far as I'm concerned they can call it the 'I take it up the batty from John W******d Suite'. Is this really the latest scandal we're getting outraged about?

 

It's not a scandal is it though?

 

Just more questioning why they would do such a thing? I think it's a bit odd... and put it together with several other things which have happened, it does seem as though the club doesn't feel it needs to recognise legends who have contributed to the success of Southampton FC.

 

The only people getting their knickers in a twist are the Cortese foot soldiers who jump on every thread which suggests something even slightly negative. It was just an observation, on its own it's not that much of a big deal I guess... yet look at the thread go...

[miserableoldgit]

Nobody is asking for anyone to protest, it's pre-season, not alot of news about, so discuss it. If it doesn't interest you, don't discuss it.

 

As an individual act, although not good ( the names have definately been taken off the packages, even if they have not the suites ) , I don't have a massive problem, but if you add it on to the wider picture, you get a better idea of how our club is being run / how it will be run in the future... unless of course you are part of the " Don't upset Nicola, he might leave us " group.

TBH I am not really that worked up about it. If true, it would be a shame, but I am more hacked off that my enjoyment of this forum has been compromised by the advent of the DBP/SRS Show where all I see on virtually every thread is you banging your drum about what a ****** NC is. You do have some valid points but sadly they are being lost in the continual waterfall af anti- Cortese vitriol. Sometimes "Less is More"

[hypochondriac]

strength...? what strength..?

you have numbers in mind..?

 

dont mistake this place for some sort of large swell of feeling within the fan base..

 

any one of these threads is frequested by about 15 different posters...not really massive is it..

 

Equally, how do you know that there is not a strength of feeling about at least some of these issues? Certainly amongst the saints fans I know there is. I got a text yesterday from a mate who doesn't even know this forum exists with "Cortese is a ****." I believe he came to this conclusion all on his own.

[Arizona]

It's not a scandal is it though?

 

Just more questioning why they would do such a thing? I think it's a bit odd... and put it together with several other things which have happened, it does seem as though the club doesn't feel it needs to recognise legends who have contributed to the success of Southampton FC.

 

The only people getting their knickers in a twist are the Cortese foot soldiers who jump on every thread which suggests something even slightly negative. It was just an observation, on its own it's not that much of a big deal I guess... yet look at the thread go...

 

I really don't think this matters either way myself. Clearly the names have been changed for a reason and that reason isn't simply to spite the fans. Apparently there is some commercial reason why the new names are more appropriate for the people running the club.

[VectisSaint]

This has probably been done as a corporate branding exercise. When we are in the top flight we will be looking to attract the sort of prawn sandwich brigade to whom the words "Terry Paine" etc are meaningless. "The Executive Club" etc. has more of a shoulder pad and champers feel to it, and that's what the clientele may be after.

 

It's really no big deal IMO.

 

If our "legends" were the likes of Maradonna, Best, Cruyff etc then there would be some cache to suites named after them... but Paine, Stokes and in a few years MLT - to anyone other than old Saints fans? Don't think so.

To be honest, the Paine Club may attract the wrong sort of people, or the right sort depending on your outlook i suppose.

[Thedelldays]

Equally, how do you know that there is not a strength of feeling about at least some of these issues? Certainly amongst the saints fans I know there is. I got a text yesterday from a mate who doesn't even know this forum exists with "Cortese is a ****." I believe he came to this conclusion all on his own.

 

because...only here is where you hear about it...mates I have at home (who simply have not even heard of this place) are completely unaware or even care of details like this...

 

small number in the grand scheme of things..but not mistake this place as any sort of feeling within the fan base

 

but lets say, many think NC is a ****...and we tell him...how do we tell him..?

protest..? gather outside the ground and throw abuse at him..? write him a letter..?

 

then what..?

[sandwichsaint]

This has probably been done as a corporate branding exercise. When we are in the top flight we will be looking to attract the sort of prawn sandwich brigade to whom the words "Terry Paine" etc are meaningless. "The Executive Club" etc. has more of a shoulder pad and champers feel to it, and that's what the clientele may be after.

 

It's really no big deal IMO.

 

If our "legends" were the likes of Maradonna, Best, Cruyff etc then there would be some cache to suites named after them... but Paine, Stokes and in a few years MLT - to anyone other than old Saints fans? Don't think so.

 

Have a word with yourself, these are OUR legends, and it is entirely fitting that we remember and celebrate them.

 

'Champers and padded shoulders', are you sure you are supporting the right team?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

ok..lets pretend for a mo that all this is deliberate..

 

then what..? do we ask NC to leave..?

 

It seems again you are going to ignore that you were proven wrong again, so I will just answer the question in hand.

 

Cortese, through PR and Propaganda has convinced a large element of our support that it really is his way or the highway, many people have accepted this and effectively gagged themselves from having a public opinion on it. Take the same conversation away from this forum and into a pub and the reaction is completely different. With most people in agreement that the club have been making some very bad decisions.

 

People seem scared to challenge Cortese, Mr C has been very deliberate in my opinion in how he comes across, using 'buzz phrases' like " Southampton is my baby " and " nobody at this club makes the decisions but me " - this leads people to think that there is no alternative to Cortese, he also repeats that it was him that introduced Liebherr and Marcus wouldn't have taken the project on if it wasn't for him. Which makes people believe that if Cortese goes, then so will Liebherr.

 

In my opinion that's a load of old tosh, firstly Cortese is an employee and can be replaced, secondly Liebherr has invested millions and won't just p!ss it down the drain and walk away because Cortese does, thirdly even if Liebherr does want to walk away, he's still got to sell the club onto someone else. He might be a billionaire but he isn't / won't be spending Man City money... so he is also replaceable ( although I like the bloke to be fair )

 

So do I want Cortese to leave? Would rather not, he is building a good core to the management structure, I do however he needs to hire a good PR or let Luker and Jordon Sibley etc do their jobs, because in that customer facing department he is f*cking clueless.

 

If he is going to continue in the way he is now, with the scattergun 'like it or lump it ' attitude, then yes... he can go and take up his job at Milan ( lol )

[VectisSaint]

If you truly believe we will be f*cked if Cortese leaves then lol@u. Seriously.

If you truly belive we would not be f*cked if Cortese left then lol@u as well. No Cortese, no Markus, seriously.

[hypochondriac]

because...only here is where you hear about it...mates I have at home (who simply have not even heard of this place) are completely unaware or even care of details like this...

 

small number in the grand scheme of things..but not mistake this place as any sort of feeling within the fan base

 

but lets say, many think NC is a ****...and we tell him...how do we tell him..?

protest..? gather outside the ground and throw abuse at him..? write him a letter..?

 

then what..?

 

Speak for yourself.

[hypochondriac]

If you truly belive we would not be f*cked if Cortese left then lol@u as well. No Cortese, no Markus, seriously.

 

Eh? And even if that were the case (which it wouldn't be). How does that make us f*cked?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

If you truly belive we would not be f*cked if Cortese left then lol@u as well. No Cortese, no Markus, seriously.

 

Are you suggesting that Markus will just write off his investment and walk away?

 

Seriously?

 

Even if he does... he has to sell it, and he won't sell the club for a loss.

 

But there you go, that's the dangerous attitude I was talking about in my reply to Dulldays and the one that the club are exploiting.

Edited 2 July, 2010 by Dave Benson Phillips

[Thedelldays]

Speak for yourself.

 

but then what though..after we highlight the fact we dont like many of the decisions made...

he will then come out and tell us frankly (via a radio interview) why these decisions were made...no doubt SOME will be content

 

then what..? what if he is single minded enough to carry on with his own vision (that may well see us win a league and promoted along the way)

 

then what...?

[The Kraken]

because...only here is where you hear about it...mates I have at home (who simply have not even heard of this place) are completely unaware or even care of details like this...

 

small number in the grand scheme of things..but not mistake this place as any sort of feeling within the fan base

 

but lets say, many think NC is a ****...and we tell him...how do we tell him..?

protest..? gather outside the ground and throw abuse at him..? write him a letter..?

 

then what..?

 

To be fair DellDays, I don't see too much difference between the negativity on here towards Cortese from DBP, and yours and others previous negativity and criticism on match threads and beyond with regards to Pardew and team selections, tactics, substitutions etc. Previously you've been afforded the opportunity, many times, to air a number of grievances you've had with the manager of the club, so criticism of the chairman should be no different surely?

 

Message boards exist for the very purpose of fans to air their collective grievances; sometimes the local media will even pick up a groundsway of opinion and run with it, and it can have the effect of change, but most of the time its just an online oppoortunity for people to share opinions. People have the right to discussion, even if you don't agree with the sentiments.

[Thedelldays]

To be fair DellDays, I don't see too much difference between the negativity on here towards Cortese from DBP, and yours and others previous negativity and criticism on match threads and beyond with regards to Pardew and team selections, tactics, substitutions etc. Previously you've been afforded the opportunity, many times, to air a number of grievances you've had with the manager of the club, so criticism of the chairman should be no different surely?

 

Message boards exist for the very purpose of fans to air their collective grievances; sometimes the local media will even pick up a groundsway of opinion and run with it, and it can have the effect of change, but most of the time its just an online oppoortunity for people to share opinions. People have the right to discussion, even if you don't agree with the sentiments.

 

you are right...if you look back, I am not the one calling people "****s" or inviting them "to meet up"...

but, you are right

[hughieslastminutegoal]

because...only here is where you hear about it...mates I have at home (who simply have not even heard of this place) are completely unaware or even care of details like this...

 

small number in the grand scheme of things..but not mistake this place as any sort of feeling within the fan base

 

but lets say, many think NC is a ****...and we tell him...how do we tell him..?

protest..? gather outside the ground and throw abuse at him..? write him a letter..?

 

then what..?

 

As "DBP" put it, it ain't a big deal, no. But let's think for a bit - We now won't be playing in red & white stripes (despite 1885 or whatever, stripes are our league history), we stop naming suites after "legend" players .. what bit of club history do we forget about next? Stop calling ourselves "Saints"? Take down the Ted Bates statue? We dump season tickets but sell tickets like cinema seats? It'll just be another "entertainment product". But IMO thats where football is heading anyway.. NC just might be slightly ahead and being a trend-setter..... someone has already called him a visionary.

[JustMike]

what's in a name?

 

As far as ML and NC are concearned SFC started August 2009. Dont think they are too fussed with the romance of yesterday, apart from the kit of course. So long as we all know who has done what in out past im not too fussed about renaming a suite. Time for new legends

[hypochondriac]

but then what though..after we highlight the fact we dont like many of the decisions made...

he will then come out and tell us frankly (via a radio interview) why these decisions were made...no doubt SOME will be content

 

then what..? what if he is single minded enough to carry on with his own vision (that may well see us win a league and promoted along the way)

 

then what...?

 

I suppose that ultimately if it continues then attendances will be down. I doubt very much that we will see an increase in attendance this season and that will be a mistake on NC's part IMO. Cortese will eventually be forced into being more PR friendly if attendances are down and the reasons for this are highlighted in the media. I hope this is the case anyway because a short term small drop in attendance for a long term gain is preferable for me. I hope Cortese learns from the experience. No doubt I will be laughed at or dismissed for that opinion but oh well.

[Thedelldays]

I suppose that ultimately if it continues then attendances will be down. I doubt very much that we will see an increase in attendance this season and that will be a mistake on NC's part IMO. Cortese will eventually be forced into being more PR friendly if attendances are down and the reasons for this are highlighted in the media. I hope this is the case anyway because a short term small drop in attendance for a long term gain is preferable for me. I hope Cortese learns from the experience. No doubt I will be laughed at or dismissed for that opinion but oh well.

 

ok, so gaining a promotion or two..you really think attendances will be down from NOW when we are at the business end of the CCC (or what ever it is called) or the premier league..?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

As "DBP" put it, it ain't a big deal, no. But let's think for a bit - We now won't be playing in red & white stripes (despite 1885 or whatever, stripes are our league history), we stop naming suites after "legend" players .. what bit of club history do we forget about next? Stop calling ourselves "Saints"? Take down the Ted Bates statue? We dump season tickets but sell tickets like cinema seats? It'll just be another "entertainment product". But IMO thats where football is heading anyway.. NC just might be slightly ahead and being a trend-setter..... someone has already called him a visionary.

 

The next thing will be the withdrawal of the Ted Bates Trophy game I assume.

 

I agree he is trying to use Southampton as a toy, and yes be a trend-setter... but football all around Europe works around season tickets and uses the clubs history and the sense of being an army/family to get people interested and paying to come through the door and support their team.

 

If you don't care about your supporters, then sooner or later they will stop caring about you.

[hypochondriac]

ok, so gaining a promotion or two..you really think attendances will be down from NOW when we are at the business end of the CCC (or what ever it is called) or the premier league..?

 

No but I think they will be significantly lower than they could be if this attitude continues.