Howard Webb

[Gorgiesaint]

To be honest, I think he's had a fantastic world cup. Together with his assistants, they've got every big decision right and been one of the outstanding refereeing crews at the world cup.

 

But I've heard this morning that they have been overlooked for the semi-finals & final. Shocking decision IMO.

[alpine_saint]

Ridiculous.

 

Who has got them ? Those incompetent toe-rags from Uruguay ??

 

I remember that the Argentinian got the final in 2006 as his reward for sending Rooney off.

[stevegrant]

I remember that the Argentinian got the final in 2006 as his reward for sending Rooney off.

So he was rewarded for making the correct decision in a high-profile incident? No problem there for me.

 

Clearly there were some referees who were out of their depth even in the group stage, and as a result weren't retained for the knockout stages. From there, you would assume the officials from the two games on Sunday won't get another game after their blatant errors, but after that I'm not sure there have been much between the rest of them. The only reason the "good" job Howard Webb has done has been noticed is because the English commentator has made a point of emphasising what a "good" job he and his assistants have been doing. Praising them to the hilt for getting a marginal offside decision correct, whoopee-doo, strangely the foreign officials rarely get the same sort of glowing praise when they make a similar call. Webb dealt with the flashpoint in the Italy v Slovakia game very well, but I wouldn't call it "ridiculous" if he doesn't get the final.

[bungle]

Surely alpine_saint isn't wrong AGAIN?!

[Jez]

Webb and co have apparently missed out on the quarters, but still in contention for the semi's or final.

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8779351.stm

 

But would have thought if he was in contention, they'd use him for a quarters game, unless some other well performed refs have only done 2 games so far and they want to give them another to see if they may be fit for the semi's or final.

[sandwichsaint]

If we assume that 2 of the 8 QF refs won't be seen again that leaves 6 teams for 4 games - maths says they can't all get one!

 

Perhaps our boys have been fast forwarded to the last 3 games, the weakest team dropped, and positions 2-5 have been given the QF's?

 

Gives them the chance to use the best 2 from the QFs plus our boys in the last 3 real games (and a consolation prize for somebody or other to take the meaningless 3/4 place game).

 

Only IMHO of course .... but I would be very surprised if the 'top 4' had been given the quarters .. and we have been ranked 5 or 6.

[Ponty]

Why does anyone care? We all hate refs for most of the year so let them suffer...

[alpine_saint]

I dont reckon that Rooney deserved the sending off, so the whole premise of your comment was wrong.

He lost his balance and put his foot down, it was not premeditated.

[fish fingers]

To be honest, I think he's had a fantastic world cup. Together with his assistants, they've got every big decision right and been one of the outstanding refereeing crews at the world cup.

 

But I've heard this morning that they have been overlooked for the semi-finals & final. Shocking decision IMO.

 

He's only been overlooked for the quarter finals, which would suggest the final also. He may still get a semi-final.

 

Only one European ref is being used in the quarters and if the final happens to be 2 South American teams he has a good chance.

[Nellie]

I dont reckon that Rooney deserved the sending off, so the whole premise of your comment was wrong.

He lost his balance and put his foot down, it was not premeditated.

Lost his balance? You are joking, aren't you? If you are not, please feel free to forward to 1 minute 17 seconds of the following clip to be proven incorrect.

 

 

As for Howard Webb and his team, their competence has grown exponentially in the eyes of the media after England got stiffed. One of the commentators even said the other day that Graham Poll did well in 2006. That's the Graham Poll who yellow carded the same player three times in one game.

[Scummer]

LOne of the commentators even said the other day that Graham Poll did well in 2006. That's the Graham Poll who yellow carded the same player three times in one game.

 

Graham Poll was on the radio a few weeks ago saying that he'd have refereed the final that year if it wasn't for the 3 yellow card incident.

[alpine_saint]

Lost his balance? You are joking, aren't you? If you are not, please feel free to forward to 1 minute 17 seconds of the following clip to be proven incorrect.

 

 

As for Howard Webb and his team, their competence has grown exponentially in the eyes of the media after England got stiffed. One of the commentators even said the other day that Graham Poll did well in 2006. That's the Graham Poll who yellow carded the same player three times in one game.

 

Watched it again (twice) for your benefit. It is patently clear he was having 7 bales of sh*t kicked out of him by Petit and Carvalho, that tw*t of a referee doing nothing the whole time, and he was staggering against his loss of balance for most of it. Not surprised a foot landed in the wrong place by accident.

 

And for proof that he fell into the referee's oily Argie trap, have a look at how he brandished the red card. I am surprised he didnt cum all over Rooney's face as he did it...

[Nellie]

Watched it again (twice) for your benefit. It is patently clear he was having 7 bales of sh*t kicked out of him by Petit and Carvalho, that tw*t of a referee doing nothing the whole time, and he was staggering against his loss of balance for most of it. Not surprised a foot landed in the wrong place by accident.

 

And for proof that he fell into the referee's oily Argie trap, have a look at how he brandished the red card. I am surprised he didnt cum all over Rooney's face as he did it...

You need to watch it closely for your own benefit, not mine. If you honestly cannot spot the difference between a deliberate stamp, and someone putting their foot down because of a loss of balance (the clue here is the short, stabbing motion of his foot into the player) I pity you.

 

Yes, he was undoubtedly being fouled, several times over.

Yes, the referee was undoubtedly delighted to have sent off Rooney.

However, he is a hothead who lost his temper and he undoubtedly stamped on Carvalho.

Ergo, he undoubtedly deserved to be sent off.

[TijuanaTim]

To be honest, I think he's had a fantastic world cup. Together with his assistants, they've got every big decision right and been one of the outstanding refereeing crews at the world cup.

 

But I've heard this morning that they have been overlooked for the semi-finals & final. Shocking decision IMO.

 

He's in the filth, he has good authorative posture and body language. He stays calm, never over-reacts or dramatises things...he has everything going for except that he is pretty ¢rap at making decisions. So most of the rest of the World think he's lucky to have got this far.

 

If only we could blend his awesome control with a bit of decent refereeing.....

[fish fingers]

Graham Poll was on the radio a few weeks ago saying that he'd have refereed the final that year if it wasn't for the 3 yellow card incident.

 

He was one of the favourites for the final.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I think on the whole the refereeing has been quite a good standard this time. Yes, there have been 1 or 2 mistakes, but overall I would say it's been better than most recent WC's, so far.

[benjii]

I think on the whole the refereeing has been quite a good standard this time. Yes, there have been 1 or 2 mistakes, but overall I would say it's been better than most recent WC's, so far.

 

Yes, definitely. Rubbish world cup but some decent reffing.

 

My tuppence worth on England red cards:

 

Becks v Argentina - harsh, was not violent conduct. Just a tap.

Rooney v Portugal - stamp, definite red.

[Gorgiesaint]

Interesting that for the QF stage onwards, i.e. 8 matches, FIFA have kept 19 refereeing crews on. Not surprisingly, our friend from Uruguay isn't on the list.

 

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/tournament/competition/01/26/39/33/refereesandassistantrefereesforfifa.com1july.pdf

[chrisobee]

You need to watch it closely for your own benefit, not mine. If you honestly cannot spot the difference between a deliberate stamp, and someone putting their foot down because of a loss of balance (the clue here is the short, stabbing motion of his foot into the player) I pity you.

 

Yes, he was undoubtedly being fouled, several times over.

Yes, the referee was undoubtedly delighted to have sent off Rooney.

However, he is a hothead who lost his temper and he undoubtedly stamped on Carvalho.

Ergo, he undoubtedly deserved to be sent off.

 

No, it wasn't deliberate and it wasn't a sending off IN MY OPINION. In fact I'm not even sure he touched Carvalho. As Alpine Saint says Rooney was the one being fouled and then the Portugese, Ronaldo especially, start harranguing the referee, that was what was truly despicable.

That said we all view things differently, you need to accept that your view is valid from your perspective but the opposite view is equally valid. Sadly you have posted in keeping with the general trend on here that there are no grey areas rather than respecting an opposite point of view.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

I think they'll use eight of the 19 retained crews across the quarters, semis, play off and final. So Webb has a chance, and on merit is probably the sensible choice. but this is FIFA so they'll give it to the ref who is most likely to give the result Blatter and Platini want, once they know who is in the final.

[Hatch]

probably get the Final now that Uruguay are out

[dubai_phil]

probably get the Final now that Uruguay are out

 

All European final? Nah they'll give it to some "emerging nation" now

[Gorgiesaint]

All European final? Nah they'll give it to some "emerging nation" now

 

Well the ref from Uzbekistan was on tonight - think he was one of the other hotly tipped refs in the media.

[Jesus Reigned]

You need to watch it closely for your own benefit, not mine. If you honestly cannot spot the difference between a deliberate stamp, and someone putting their foot down because of a loss of balance (the clue here is the short, stabbing motion of his foot into the player) I pity you.

 

Yes, he was undoubtedly being fouled, several times over.

Yes, the referee was undoubtedly delighted to have sent off Rooney.

However, he is a hothead who lost his temper and he undoubtedly stamped on Carvalho.

Ergo, he undoubtedly deserved to be sent off.

 

+1, intentional stamp IMO (albeit under provocation) = Deserved red card.

[Scudamore]

Why can none of them spot a foul throw?

[the saint in winchester]

And why can't they issue a yellow or red card for all the pushing and pulling in the box when a corner or free kick is about to come in?

Play may not be active but the players are!

That gets my gander up, does that.

[chrisobee]

Why can none of them spot a foul throw?

 

Yes, it is amazing !

[TBone-Tone]

Congratulations to Howard and his team who have been head and shoulders above any other officials in this tournament.

 

Hope you have a good final.

[alpine_saint]

Congratulations to Howard and his team who have been head and shoulders above any other officials in this tournament.

 

Hope you have a good final.

 

The right decision.

[Ponty]

It's just a shame that we'll have to hear the commentators eulogising about there being an Englishman in the final.

[Saint in Paradise]

It's just a shame that we'll have to hear the commentators eulogising about there being an Englishman in the final.

 

If you think that's bad what would you have thought if it was the England team itself :lol:

[Thedelldays]

I think we should be proud of web. Done brilliantly so far and very much deserved from a career of hard work

[dubai_phil]

Congratulations to Howard and his team who have been head and shoulders above any other officials in this tournament.

 

Hope you have a good final.

 

And Graham Poll sits at home and says arrrgghh, If Only.......

 

 

 

(I hadn't been such a ***t)

[Badger]

Howard Webb...he's come a long way since Saints v Villa c2002 or 3.The only man at St Marys to see an infringement in our 6 yard box and give a penalty.No one appealed for it and the Villa players were trotting back upfield thinking it was our frre kick for a push by one of their players ..before the horror of it set in !

[Badger]

If we are talking of World Cup referees this weekend the BBC will probably recall Jack Taylor in 1974 and remind us he was a butcher from Wolverhampton.

 

Please don't forget the first Englishman to ref a World Cup final, George Reader a former Saints chairman:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Reader

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Top ref from the Worlds leading League - good decision FIFA.

[Hatch]

and well done to his linesmen as well.

 

The two biggest f-ups this world cup have been made by linesmen not referees, so the linesmen are equally important.

 

FWIW, i hate linesmen more than referees.

[tartanowl]

Congratulations Mr Webb. I'm not a fan of his but I will admit he has had a good world cup. Probably because he had a mare on our biggest game of the season in May.

[Picard]

At half time in the final not doing too well. The Dutch deserve a couple of red cards.

[Draino76]

Congratulations to Howard for refereeing as if it were a Premiership game. This bodes very well for Holland. + £200.00 for me.x

[benjii]

Congratulations to Howard for refereeing as if it were a Premiership game. This bodes very well for Holland. + £200.00 for me.x

 

If it was a league game he would've shown a couple of red cards.

 

He's reffing it like it's a world cup final which is why he's been scared of making a big decision.

[Ponty]

The reds will come now it's the second half.

[Thedelldays]

he is trying to keep it a spectacle..the players are certainly not

[Ponty]

The reds will come now it's the second half.

Well it took a bit longer than I thought...

[stevegrant]

Got a few decisions wrong, but generally coped well in very testing circumstances, IMO.

 

I hate the collective ****athon over the Spanish team though, the perfect definition of bad winners. Yes, they were the best side, but they really didn't need to resort to playacting, rolling around all over the place, surrounding the ref, waving imaginary cards, etc.

[Kingsbridge Saint]

Good game by Webb - apart from maybe not giving the Dutch an obvious corner just before Spain went up the other end and scored - think we'll be hearing a bit more about that one.

[Draino76]

Coor blimey this hurts. I'm on beans on toast till payday. (15th)

[SuperMikey]

Good game by Webb - apart from maybe not giving the Dutch an obvious corner just before Spain went up the other end and scored - think we'll be hearing a bit more about that one.

 

Agreed, think the Dutch were hard done by there though, as it took 2 clear touches off Spanish players.

[alpine_saint]

On balance, he did a good job in trying circumstances; the Dutch came to stifle, kick and mug the Spanish. I am glad they failed, even though it cost me the swepstake at work. The result was the right one, and Webb did his bit to make sure that the game was won in the right manner.

[belgrave]

Webb had a shocker. Will be the last big game he gets