70's Mike Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 signings have been put on hold until we have paid for car park meters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Katalinic's 'tache Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Anyway the first team is going away on the 8th according to the OS, so surely we'll want any major signings that are likely to be first team regulars to be with them by then ..and that's only days away. K. Presumably the plan is to reveal details of new signings on 7th July, at 11.30pm, to ensure news is broken first on the OS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I dont think it is essential that new players go away for a few days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I dont think it is essential that new players go away for a few days... It is 10 days of pre season training/team bonding/gelling and 2 matches. If they don't go they'd be left to train with the youth team and play local non league sides. It would be ideal if they did sign to fly out together with the squad on the 8th. However they could sign on the 9th or later and fly out separately, so the 8th is by no means a barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 It is 10 days of pre season training/team bonding/gelling and 2 matches. If they don't go they'd be left to train with the youth team and play local non league sides. It would be ideal if they did sign to fly out together with the squad on the 8th. However they could sign on the 9th or later and fly out separately, so the 8th is by no means a barrier. of course it will be good..but I doubt our promotion prospects are hinged on them going away for 10 days.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If Lowe and Poortvliet were in charge of signings I would be dismayed. As it's Pardew and Cortese, a team that has proved itself capable of signing the best available players at our level, I am not remotely concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beancounter saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I was really surprised and disappointed we didn't sign Antonio btw. He could well develop like Kenwynne Jones did ..young ,with lots of raw talent that just needs developing the right way. Maybe there's still time, but there's been no gossip about a deal with Reading. K. I agree entirely about Antonio. However, perhaps the "no gossip" bit is a positive sign of something happening given the new regime! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 (edited) At this time we have a first team squad of one goalkeeper, three left backs, three centre backs plus Aaron Martin, two central midfielders plus Paul Wotton, two wide midfielders Lallana and Puncheon, only two strikers, Bialkowski and Connolly have not signed yet and Antonio and Waigo have not been replaced. This gives us only 10 starting players in their correct positions with Harding at right back and a bench of Forecast, Seaborne, Martin, Mills, Wotton, Holmes plus youngsters provided nobody is injured before then. This squad needs radical reinforcement or we will be playing four or five youngsters by October as injury attrition kicks in. Seven to nine players need to be signed to turn it into the squad some people think it is including resignings, free transfers, loans, and bought players otherwise we are going to be mid table at the best. If we don't sign good reinforcements some of the better players may see this as a sign to look for a move to a better team before the window closes. Edited 5 July, 2010 by derry added Holmes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Three centre backs plus Aaron Martin? What's that supposed to mean? He was outstanding at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 At this time we have a first team squad of one goalkeeper, three left backs, three centre backs plus Aaron Martin, two central midfielders plus Paul Wotton, two wide midfielders Lallana and Puncheon, only two strikers, Bialkowski and Connolly have not signed yet and Antonio and Waigo have not been replaced. This gives us only 10 starting players in their correct positions with Harding at right back and a bench of Forecast, Seaborne, Martin, Mills, Wotton plus youngsters provided nobody is injured before then. This squad needs radical reinforcement or we will be playing four or five youngsters by October as injury attrition kicks in. Seven to nine players need to be signed to turn it into the squad some people think it is including resignings, free transfers, loans, and bought players otherwise we are going to be mid table at the best. If we don't sign good reinforcements some of the better players may see this as a sign to look for a move to a better team before the window closes. Has Holmes been released? It certainly does look a bit threadbare if that's the best bench we can offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Three centre backs plus Aaron Martin? What's that supposed to mean? He was outstanding at the end of last season. If a couple of the experienced centre backs are injured no matter how well he is or isn't performing he will have to play, and if there are a couple of injuries in the middle/front that team will be poor. He played two matches and looked a decent prospect but that won't get us promoted. We need experienced competition for all positions or all the pre season hype will be just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_clark Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If a couple of the experienced centre backs are injured no matter how well he is or isn't performing he will have to play, and if there are a couple of injuries in the middle/front that team will be poor. He played two matches and looked a decent prospect but that won't get us promoted. We need experienced competition for all positions or all the pre season hype will be just that. As i've said to people plenty of times, you won't be able to build a squad of experienced players who can all perform at a promotion winning level, as they won't be happy sitting on the bench. You have to get the right mix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Has Holmes been released? It certainly does look a bit threadbare if that's the best bench we can offer. You are right, he figured so little that I completely forgot him. I thought he was a decent player but it looks like Pardew still doesn't rate him. You could add him to the bench at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If a couple of the experienced centre backs are injured no matter how well he is or isn't performing he will have to play, and if there are a couple of injuries in the middle/front that team will be poor. He played two matches and looked a decent prospect but that won't get us promoted. We need experienced competition for all positions or all the pre season hype will be just that. I'd disagree with that; we just need competition for all positions, experience is not absolutely necessary to make an impact. Antonio could not be described as experienced when he arrived, nor Jacob Mellis. Even Lallana wasn't massively experienced before the start of the season. Aaron Martin falls into that sort of category, he won't be a starting centre back but he is more than capable of coming in to the team and making a significant contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Here's a genuine answer. I am not sure that something is going on about transfers, tbh. There are signs that the club is somehow consolidating revenue streams, it could be we are not going to make signings. Maybe ML was so p*ssed off at least seasons result, he has told the club to stand on its own two feet now. In which case, maybe Cortese now has to work under the same constraints as Lowe did, but without the smug supercillious attitude. Nice to see you about again, derry. You're very clearly right and I find it surprising that there has been no news at all apart from the signing of Ryan Dickson. Deciding to buy ourselves a third left back made me think that there was to be a rather heavy influx, including two RBs, one or two CMs, a couple of wide men and another striker. And then......... This isn't news management, but a news blackout, which doesn't serve very well to keep supporters at least reasonably content. It's difficult to believe that nothing is going on. It is something, alright, but I'm not convinced that it is the signings of a number of players. Whether good news or nor, we have to wait and see. I think it could all have been handled rather better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 As i've said to people plenty of times, you won't be able to build a squad of experienced players who can all perform at a promotion winning level, as they won't be happy sitting on the bench. You have to get the right mix. The present squad has no right back only four proper midfielders and two strikers. you are quite right about mix but it hasn't stopped us having three left backs, the requirement is at least two full backs, two midfielders, replacement for Waigo/Antonio and two strikers including a target man to cover Lambert and another centre back wouldn't be out of the question. Two or three high class Premier youngsters plus experience would be about right but apart from Dickson plus 'maybe signings' Bialkowski and Connolly with Murty doing pre season there has been no signings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 I'd disagree with that; we just need competition for all positions, experience is not absolutely necessary to make an impact. Antonio could not be described as experienced when he arrived, nor Jacob Mellis. Even Lallana wasn't massively experienced before the start of the season. Aaron Martin falls into that sort of category, he won't be a starting centre back but he is more than capable of coming in to the team and making a significant contribution. If what is required is a competitive division one side, yes but if what is required is a championship winning team, the cover has to maintain the strength of the team. If like last year there was a run of injuries, three or four inexperienced youngsters being thrown in together would weaken the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Nice to see you about again, derry. You're very clearly right and I find it surprising that there has been no news at all apart from the signing of Ryan Dickson. Deciding to buy ourselves a third left back made me think that there was to be a rather heavy influx, including two RBs, one or two CMs, a couple of wide men and another striker. And then......... This isn't news management, but a news blackout, which doesn't serve very well to keep supporters at least reasonably content. It's difficult to believe that nothing is going on. It is something, alright, but I'm not convinced that it is the signings of a number of players. Whether good news or nor, we have to wait and see. I think it could all have been handled rather better. Hi Bert, It is a bit disconcerting especially as I thought with the clearout they would have lined up replacements a while ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikee Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 must not click on this silly thread again must not click on this silly thread again must not click on this silly thread again must not click on this silly thread again must not click on this silly thread again repeat 95 more times... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibMcdo Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 For me it does seem a little bizarre that so many of our fans have forgotten the impact Antonio and Papa had as subs, and what ability they gave AP to mix things up when needed. They also seem to have forgotten how rudderless we were without Schneiderlin in midfield when injured or suspended...... They also seem to have forgotten how many times we conceeded goals from attacks down the opponents left flank.............. They also seem to have forgotten how many of our goals Rickie Lambert scored, and how unusual it is for a player to get through a season without some sort of injury... We probably have the strongest first XI in L1, but its a house of cards... Complete rubbish. Nobody says we don't need signings. People are saying that there is a lot of time to go until the first game. We need to negotiate with clubs over fees, then negotiate with the players. That takes time. We only signed Dickson early because we didn't have to deal with Brentford. Players of the calibre we will be looking at are unlikely to be free agents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clifford Nelson Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Hi Bert, It is a bit disconcerting especially as I thought with the clearout they would have lined up replacements a while ago. Yes Dave, I also thought that there was some kind of master plan. There was also AP saying that the squad was to be much stronger next season, and NC talking about us aiming to play a special style to be known as the Southampton Style. If I take all that information as read, there are some cracking signings still to come, but then the Echo reported that there will not be many new signings at all, wherever they got that information from. It's not easy to read the runes. I don't know whether there are reasons to worry, but I don't like the lack of news management, since it causes worries. At the moment it seems like AP and NC have both left and handed the rudder to somebody called Jason, Andy Gray and Mo Gimpel. We ought to do better. Pre-season is also upon us, which means that new players should be here, ready to train and to go to Switzerland with the team. Hmmm. As for the Forum I have suddenly been relegated to Registered User in spite of having paid my sub, and I fail to see the advantage of the new format. Bring back the days of the pidgeon post, I say, when men were men and strikers generally were bald. In spite the niggles the season ticket is payed for and I have even bought the new shirt. It looked too good to be left in the shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 For me it does seem a little bizarre that so many of our fans have forgotten the impact Antonio and Papa had as subs, and what ability they gave AP to mix things up when needed. They also seem to have forgotten how rudderless we were without Schneiderlin in midfield when injured or suspended...... They also seem to have forgotten how many times we conceeded goals from attacks down the opponents left flank.............. They also seem to have forgotten how many of our goals Rickie Lambert scored, and how unusual it is for a player to get through a season without some sort of injury... We probably have the strongest first XI in L1, but its a house of cards... They haven't. Don't think anyone is suggesting we should not sign anyone, most -myself included would like about 4 or 5 (RB,CM, CF, winger). Not sure who you are arguing with. What just about everyone is saying is, Pardew has excellent transfer record for us and it is still early days. He has spoken about recruiting a CCC play off level squad this summer, and released players good enough to do a job at this level. All of this suggests there is no reason to panic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Yes Dave, I also thought that there was some kind of master plan. There was also AP saying that the squad was to be much stronger next season, and NC talking about us aiming to play a special style to be known as the Southampton Style. If I take all that information as read, there are some cracking signings still to come, but then the Echo reported that there will not be many new signings at all, wherever they got that information from. It's not easy to read the runes. I don't know whether there are reasons to worry, but I don't like the lack of news management, since it causes worries. At the moment it seems like AP and NC have both left and handed the rudder to somebody called Jason, Andy Gray and Mo Gimpel. We ought to do better. Pre-season is also upon us, which means that new players should be here, ready to train and to go to Switzerland with the team. Hmmm. As for the Forum I have suddenly been relegated to Registered User in spite of having paid my sub, and I fail to see the advantage of the new format. Bring back the days of the pidgeon post, I say, when men were men and strikers generally were bald. In spite the niggles the season ticket is payed for and I have even bought the new shirt. It looked too good to be left in the shop. We'll just have to sit on our hands for a bit longer. We have bought our tickets for next season plus John and Eric for the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackedoff Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Am beginning to gt a bit concerned. Yes we clearly have the core of a good team, but also we obviously do need a few signings ...especially a right back for god's sake. My concern is based on the fact that Pardew said last season, with justification, that he'd had no proper pre-season to work with the team, and that was why we had such a poor start to the season. Well I woud have thought we'd want the new right back and any other new regular first choice player signed pretty soon, or we will have another incomplete pre-season, with presumably another poor start. Any free agent for example will even be missing out on pre-season fitness training now. K.Yes, its all shaping up for another sluggish start to the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 or to match the Huddersfield at home result!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windmill Arm 2 Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 What a ridiculous thread, which hysterical tart started it FFS?....................................................................oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainchris Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 This squad without Antonio and Papa will not be good enough to get out of this division..........= we need new faces to replace them plus right back etc....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glasgow_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Jérémie Aliadière Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Its July 1st, and supposedly every contract in english football has ended or been dissolved. The World Cup, that other great block to trasnfer activity in the third Division of the English Football League, is almost over. The domestic game has been ended long enough for players and managers alike to buy and bring home their straw donkeys, kiss-me-quick hats and crap paintings of flamenco dancers. So all of those huge inconveniences to NC and AP bringing new players in, according to many of you, are gone. Whats your new excuses ???????? Aren't you the same person who was having a pop at national stereotyping a while back? Nice to see you that you have widened your net from the Scots/Northerners to the Spanish! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Aren't you the same person who was having a pop at national stereotyping a while back? Nice to see you that you have widened your net from the Scots/Northerners to the Spanish! this site could do with a bit more national stereotyping, may I suggest we start with the germans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 This squad without Antonio and Papa will not be good enough to get out of this division..........= we need new faces to replace them plus right back etc....... yes we all agree on that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Ok then. If we can get a kraut that is good enough then sign him. We will get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 this site could do with a bit more national stereotyping, may I suggest we start with the germans? beer drinking football lovers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 yes we all agree on that! the site is so dull. Everyone agrees on everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 This squad without Antonio and Papa will not be good enough to get out of this division..........= we need new faces to replace them plus right back etc....... quite. My guess is that NC and AP think that they can get the 3/4 + quality players that we need without paying big transfer fees. If that is the case its pretty sensible, but explains the delay in recuiting , since quality frees/loans will always be in demand. my guess.........1 RB,(with Harding/murty as cover if nee)d be Antonio returns,( to free puncheon as cover) papa doesn't(shame) we take 1 striker on loan, and sit on our hands till the near the end of August . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whizzpop Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If Wotton is our back up centre midfielder this year, we are f*cked Anthony Pulis? Surely his make or break year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 If Wotton is our back up centre midfielder this year, we are f*cked TBH this legless Llama could do a better job in midfield then wotton Although i question it being a Llama and perhaps a draught excluder and or a massive caterpiller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 quite. My guess is that NC and AP think that they can get the 3/4 + quality players that we need without paying big transfer fees. If that is the case its pretty sensible, but explains the delay in recuiting , since quality frees/loans will always be in demand. my guess.........1 RB,(with Harding/murty as cover if nee)d be Antonio returns,( to free puncheon as cover) papa doesn't(shame) we take 1 striker on loan, and sit on our hands till the near the end of August . Murty has been released. Not quite sure why so many people think otherwise. My shopping list would be 1. One right back 2. One utility defender. Cover for RB and CB, like Thomas but ideally a bit... a lot quicker. 3. One pacey wide man. Antonio would be ideal. 4. One creative central midfielder 5. One industrious central midfielder 6. One pacey striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkSFC Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Murty has been released. Not quite sure why so many people think otherwise. My shopping list would be 1. One right back 2. One utility defender. Cover for RB and CB, like Thomas but ideally a bit... a lot quicker. 3. One pacey wide man. Antonio would be ideal. 4. One creative central midfielder 5. One industrious central midfielder 6. One pacey striker. Agree with the quantity but slightly different: One RB of course! One Centre Back better than Jaiidi....reckon it might be Paddy McCartney from Palace Antonio or equivalent definitely A real ball winning midfielder...Jimmy Case ilk Connolly to sign A pacey tall -ish striker.......Charlie Austin would be perfect...could play with any of RL,LB or DC Also need Bart to sign..... Murty I believe has been released but will be training with option to sign if fit....ideal back-up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint in Paradise Posted 5 July, 2010 Share Posted 5 July, 2010 Just a few seconds ago I looked on the official website as it's just past the time so the Echo can't steal anything and saw............ Nothing about new signings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westofshannonsaint Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 before I logged on I knew this thread would be top of the tree, well done Alpine. & alpine is right the squad does need to be strengthened, the lack of preseason/gelling excuse is unacceptable for the coming season & we have a bare bones squad. We have really trimmed the fat off the squad but this has freed up cash & Pardew has a very record at bringing in players either permanently or on loan over the last 11 months (has he done anything wrong?). The first team only needs to be added to in a couple of positions and it's stronger & more together than the team that started last season -10 points. the future is so bright its White (with a red sash). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red and White Army Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 They also seem to have forgotten how rudderless we were without Schneiderlin in midfield when injured or suspended...... You thought Schneiderlin was too lightweight, are we to assume you have corrected your opinion now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Murty has been released. Not quite sure why so many people think otherwise. My shopping list would be 1. One right back 2. One utility defender. Cover for RB and CB, like Thomas but ideally a bit... a lot quicker. 3. One pacey wide man. Antonio would be ideal. 4. One creative central midfielder 5. One industrious central midfielder 6. One pacey striker. He's been released but the club said a while back that he could use the club facilities to get fit and take part in pre-season training so I think it's fair to assume if that goes ok he will be offered a 12 month deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Anybody able to translate this (from Saturday's Italian sports press): Cesena, chiesto Papa Waigo alla Fiorentina. Sarebbe un ritorno in Romagna La tifoseria del Cesena sogna il ritorno dell'attaccante senegalese N'DiayePapa Waigo. Il giocatore ha fatto molto bene in passato con la casacca bianconera (dal 2005 al 2007, ndr) e la società romagnola starebbe valutando la possibilità di prelevarlo dalla Fiorentina, che non ha alcuna intenzione di mantenerlo in organico non rientrando nei piani futuri dei viola. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St.Patrik Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 From Google Translate : Cesena, asked Pope Waigo Fiorentina. It would be a return to Romagna The supporters of the return of the attacker Cesena dreams Senegal N'DiayePapa Waigo. The player did very well in the past with the Bianconeri shirt (from 2005 to 2007, ed) Romagna and the company is considering the possibility of withdrawing from Fiorentina, who has no intention of keeping it in staff not covered by future plans of purple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Connolly signs http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23654-Connolly-signs-new-deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 caught end of solent report this morning said it is likely to be busy fortnight - with a RB and Lambert style forward the priorities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 caught end of solent report this morning said it is likely to be busy fortnight - with a RB and Lambert style forward the priorities Wot...no engine room midfielder...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 Connolly signs http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23654-Connolly-signs-new-deal Tsk, tsk - off topic Mr Badger. The OP was asking about new signings rather than re-signing existing players.... :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutch Posted 6 July, 2010 Share Posted 6 July, 2010 From Google Translate : Cesena, asked Pope Waigo Fiorentina. It would be a return to Romagna The supporters of the return of the attacker Cesena dreams Senegal N'DiayePapa Waigo. The player did very well in the past with the Bianconeri shirt (from 2005 to 2007, ed) Romagna and the company is considering the possibility of withdrawing from Fiorentina, who has no intention of keeping it in staff not covered by future plans of purple. How about a translation of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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