Is Cortese deliberately trying to annoy the fans.

[miserableoldgit]

At work. Isn't it great to be able to post whilst at work. Hardly equates to not having a life does it pops?

It wasn`t me who was having a go at somebody over their level of posting was it? Pot and Kettle? Glass houses etc.......?

[trousers]

You don't think they could have handled this year's season ticket sales any better then?

 

Yes, of course it could have been. I've never said otherwise. But just because the communication hasn't been great doesn't equate to a vast majority of Saints fans being up in arms about it. I could be wrong, and happy if someone can actually quantify the level of significant dissatisfaction amongst the Saints fan base as a whole.

[benjii]

Let me just respond to me apparantly being a liar.

 

Go and find me some cheaper 'cheapest' tickets then. ( Take into account the booking fee/matchday surcharge and don't pick the Cat A Sheff Weds tickets, there will only be a couple of them and the rest will be B or C so on a pro-rata basis we are more expensive )

 

I have done my research, have you?

 

Hope you get banned soon.

 

If you want to "pro-rata" it (whatever you mean by that - I assume you mean the average price of a ticket across all league games?).... Do we have the most expensive STs? No. Liar. Do one.

 

:vuvu:

Edited 29 June, 2010 by benjii

[EastleighSoulBoy]

"With whom one talks", surely? I can feel a grammar thread coming on! It`s been a while since we have had one.

 

You don't know how close I came to editing that as soon as I read it back.....but then couldn't be arsed.... ;-)

 

Pendant alert!

 

I used to love that smilie of a copper with a flashing light on his bonce!

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Yes, of course it could have been. I've never said otherwise. But just because the communication hasn't been great doesn't equate to a vast majority of Saints fans being up in arms about it. I could be wrong, and happy if someone can actually quantify the level of significant dissatisfaction amongst the Saints fan base as a whole.

 

I think you mean non-existant.

 

It is still a minority that have bad feeling towards the way the club is being ran... generally it is people who have been affected by the club removing benefits that have the gripes. The number of unhappy customers will only grow with every bad PR decision Cortese makes.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Hope you get banned soon.

 

If you want to "pro-rata" it (whatever you mean by that - I assume you mean the average price of a ticket across all league games?).... Do we have the most expensive STs? No. Liar. Do one.

 

:vuvu:

 

- Most expensive tickets in the league.:

 

Where does it mention season tickets?

 

Do you now agree with have the most expensive TICKETS ( not season tickets, they are the 3rd most expensive ) in the league?

 

Am I a liar?

[benjii]

Yes, of course it could have been. I've never said otherwise. But just because the communication hasn't been great doesn't equate to a vast majority of Saints fans being up in arms about it. I could be wrong, and happy if someone can actually quantify the level of significant dissatisfaction amongst the Saints fan base as a whole.

 

Probably about ten people IMO and half of those are clandestine-ITK-toy-throwing-nappy-wetting-SFC-duvet-cover-owning-one-issue-weirdos.

[dune]

Cortese Out

[Micky]

Stu - I think you have made your point. NC's PR skills are non existant, absolutely poo - we all agree with you.

 

Problem is though, most of us don't really care - we like what he has done for the club since he began, we like the direction we are headed and we believe he is doing what he does for the good and benefit of the club.

 

So there you have it. You are correct - we have a Chairman who lacks PR skills. Other than that though - it would appear that most here appear to back his judgement and business decissions thus far.

 

Give up - find another slave to flog huh.

[benjii]

Where does it mention season tickets?

 

Do you now agree with have the most expensive TICKETS ( not season tickets, they are the 3rd most expensive ) in the league?

 

What were you on about when you said "pro-rata" then?

 

No, I don't agree.

 

Please just go away. Everyone finds you to be a tiresome numpty.

 

Do you now agree you're a tiresome numpty?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

What were you on about when you said "pro-rata" then?

 

No, I don't agree.

 

Please just go away. Everyone finds you to be a tiresome numpty.

 

Do you now agree you're a tiresome numpty?

 

Pro-Rata as in Sheffield Weds have a Category A ticketing for their local derbies which work out slightly more, but over the course of the season their tickets are cheaper than ours because Cat B and C are alot cheaper.

 

So, you are changing the subject now because you are ranting off without looking at the facts?

 

Proving my point...

[View From The Top]

Stu - I think you have made your point. NC's PR skills are non existant, absolutely poo - we all agree with you.

 

Problem is though, most of us don't really care - we like what he has done for the club since he began, we like the direction we are headed and we believe he is doing what he does for the good and benefit of the club.

So there you have it. You are correct - we have a Chairman who lacks PR skills. Other than that though - it would appear that most here appear to back his judgement and business decissions thus far.

 

Give up - find another slave to flog huh.

 

In a nutshell I reckon.

[landford.saint]

Yes, of course it could have been. I've never said otherwise. But just because the communication hasn't been great doesn't equate to a vast majority of Saints fans being up in arms about it. I could be wrong, and happy if someone can actually quantify the level of significant dissatisfaction amongst the Saints fan base as a whole.

Up in arms, suggests some sort of civil uprising which I

am not suggesting or implying. However there is a growing minority of supporters who

are not happy about what appears to them to be an continual erosion of the consideration to the ordinary supporter.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I stand corrected about Sheff Weds having a more expensive ticket than us for their Cat A games, they have amended their ticketing system and dropped the prices last week.

 

So we are now undisputed most expensive match tickets.

 

Am I still a liar Benji?

[lordswoodsaints]

I have supported saints for over 40 years, and was vociferous in my desire to rid us of 'Duckhunter Lowe". N.C. came in saying all the right words of transparency, communication, and 'giving

the club back to the fans'. But despite promises in the charter, they have dropped the instalment plan at short notice, penalising the poorer fan. He has introduced £3 additions to sales, again penalising the poorer fan,

and now he has abandoned ST holers to 'claom' their usual seats. All of these things in isolation are not major things, but the culminative effect of these I know has p!ssed off slot of fans. I think NC needs to takeore advice from people like D. Luker, to repair some of this PR damage. If he was deliberately trying to gradually annoy people this would be the way to go. Deliberate? I don't think so. But definately avoidable.

 

You do realise you have a choice?

If you are unhappy with the product don't buy it.

[aintforever]

Yes, of course it could have been. I've never said otherwise. But just because the communication hasn't been great doesn't equate to a vast majority of Saints fans being up in arms about it. I could be wrong, and happy if someone can actually quantify the level of significant dissatisfaction amongst the Saints fan base as a whole.

 

Why does there need to be significant dissatisfaction to discuss the issue on a web forum?

 

That's the problem, someone raises a genuine issue and you get plebs crying like a bunch of babies. There is no reason why we should tread on egg shells around Cortese, if we think something has been done wrong it's right to say so, and you can discuss it in a rational manner without getting all defensive through fear of Leibherr doing a runner because of what a few saddos on a Web Forum have said.

[benjii]

Pro-Rata as in Sheffield Weds have a Category A ticketing for their local derbies which work out slightly more, but over the course of the season their tickets are cheaper than ours because Cat B and C are alot cheaper.

 

So, you are changing the subject now because you are ranting off without looking at the facts?

 

Proving my point...

 

Are there tickets available in League One that cost more than any Saints ticket?

 

Yes there are.

 

It is grossly simplistic (which, in your case, is quite fitting) to therefore say "Saints have the most expensive tickets".) Yes, it is.

 

Why won't you just admit you're upset because you can't afford a season ticket in one hit and you're having a little strop?

[ohwhenthesaints]

Do you think Sheffield Wednesday will be spending as much as us on players, Stu?

[benjii]

Why does there need to be significant dissatisfaction to discuss the issue on a web forum?

 

That's the problem, someone raises a genuine issue and you get plebs crying like a bunch of babies. There is no reason why we should tread on egg shells around Cortese, if we think something has been done wrong it's right to say so, and you can discuss it in a rational manner without getting all defensive through fear of Leibherr doing a runner because of what a few saddos on a Web Forum have said.

 

Agree completely. Unfortunately instead of discussion you get a few loud mouths banging their one-note drum over and over.

[Highfield Saint]

I stand corrected about Sheff Weds having a more expensive ticket than us for their Cat A games, they have amended their ticketing system and dropped the prices last week.

 

So we are now undisputed most expensive match tickets.

 

Am I still a liar Benji?

 

I dont know if you are a liar but you are without doubt a boring pedant.

 

If you could do better then put your money in and take control. If I can afford it I will be happy to pay the extra ticket cost to see the club go forward in a sustainable way.

 

You may argue that this will put off season ticket holders but the alternative arguement by two very succesful businessmen is compelling.

 

Who to go with on this one - NC or you???

 

Hmmmm - toughie that

[Dave Benson Phillips]

You do realise you have a choice?

If you are unhappy with the product don't buy it.

 

Which is exactly what will happen.

 

This forum is not a good guage of customer satisfaction, as it is comprised nearly exclusively of the " I will renew whatever the costs " group. There are 3 groups in any type of sales.

 

a) Those that will, regardless.

 

b) Those that might, but need convincing by advertising, marketing, an offer, good value, big signings, good PR etc etc

 

c) Those that won't.

 

 

The club/Cortese are making absolutely no attempt with those in group B , no advertising, no marketing, no renewal packs, no installment facility, no publicity on the OS, no signings etc etc... they generally seem to think that the people in group b will just turn up and pay their money, which they won't.

 

It is quite a strange tactic by the club, one that no other club that I know of has ever tried. I think that no other club has tried it before for a reason... they know it won't work.

[View From The Top]

Most of us understand that not giving notice of the withdrawal of the payment plan was a mistake (I'd previously used it) and the short notice of renewals has left some people, especially families, struggling to find the ready cash but it's done now and most of us, I feel, hope that the club has learnt from these mistakes.

 

The vast majority of us are now looking forward to the new season and find the one rant ponies rather tiresome, especially as it's clear that nothing is going to change ahead of the season.

[aintforever]

Agree completely. Unfortunately instead of discussion you get a few loud mouths banging their one-note drum over and over.

 

Probably because many can't hear because they have their heads stuck firmly in the sand.

[Thedelldays]

you would think...stu knows more about running a multi million pound company than NC..

 

LMFAO

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Why does there need to be significant dissatisfaction to discuss the issue on a web forum?

 

That's the problem, someone raises a genuine issue and you get plebs crying like a bunch of babies. There is no reason why we should tread on egg shells around Cortese, if we think something has been done wrong it's right to say so, and you can discuss it in a rational manner without getting all defensive through fear of Leibherr doing a runner because of what a few saddos on a Web Forum have said.

 

Absolutely spot on, and that has been proved on this forum. People can say negative things about Cortese and give reasons as to why they feel this way in a constructive way, using statistics, facts and opinions, only to be shouted down bye the people who think we should tread on egg shells, even though they don't know what they are shouting down and can offer nothing to balance the debate.

 

Having a blind loyalty is a very dangerous thing.

 

Luckily this forum represents a minority of Saints fans, and they are almost exclusively in the " I will renew whatever " category. There are many many more fans that are not, and for whatever reason, won't renew.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

you would think...stu knows more about running a multi million pound company than NC..

 

LMFAO

 

Constructive DellDays. Now... am I wrong? If so, how about debating it in a constructive way? No? Because you don't have a clue? Thought so.

 

You would think that Cortese knows more about running a multi million pound football club than the other 91 teams... seeing as though every other one of them clubs encourage season ticket sales.

[Thedelldays]

LOL

 

stu, the financial expert...

 

stu, you must be minted with the level of your business accumen..?

 

lol

[Dave Benson Phillips]

LOL

 

stu, the financial expert...

 

stu, you must be minted with the level of your business accumen..?

 

lol

 

Basic sales DellDays, literally level one stuff on membership sales.

 

Now come on... add something constructive to the debate.

[MINIBARCELONASAINT]

Stu is a great antagonist behind a computer screen isn't he?

In the flesh he is probably a recluse that spends all his life behind a screen, I am actually suprised that football is your fancy. Don't oyu have mushrooms to eat, turtles to ride and a brother to run around with in a matching outfit?

[Charlie Wayman]

The lack of communication is a growing concern, it is certainly disdainful of fans and smacks of the arrogance of old fashioned 70's style top-down management - "take it or leave it, your views of no interest to me" At least Rupert Lowe had the guts to stand up front and tell fans to their face that their views didn't matter a golden toss to him - I was all for hanging that barsteward!

 

This new man did not seek inputs to kit choice; fans had no say in the ticket fiasco that will hurt and alienate many fans and there is less and less information on the OS and more and more corporate bull**** and money grubbing crap!

 

Yes guys, you should be worried. This may be a new era but not necessarily one that'll make you feel part of it. I'll bet in two years time if this goes on you won't feel like a Saint at all...

 

Oh yes and Bring Back our Stripes!

[View From The Top]

Stu maybe a bit of a thicky but he is correct regarding the marketing of ST sales.

[Thedelldays]

I am amazed stu is so concerned..he tells me to keep my nose out as I dont get myself STs...

 

he "brags" about not even going to games for the football..he brags about walking to the concourse on 35 mins and leave early to get drunk as possible..football is a secondary event on matchdays..

 

why the concern now..?

 

stu may be right about ST installments etc..but inthe grand scheme of things, it only effects a small % of saints fans

[Dave Benson Phillips]

The lack of communication is a growing concern, it is certainly disdainful of fans and smacks of the arrogance of old fashioned 70's style top-down management - "take it or leave it, your views of no interest to me" At least Rupert Lowe had the guts to stand up front and tell fans to their face that their views didn't matter a golden toss to him - I was all for hanging that barsteward!

 

This new man did not seek inputs to kit choice; fans had no say in the ticket fiasco that will hurt and alienate many fans and there is less and less information on the OS and more and more corporate bull**** and money grubbing crap!

 

Yes guys, you should be worried. This may be a new era but not necessarily one that'll make you feel part of it. I'll bet in two years time if this goes on you won't feel like a Saint at all...

 

Oh yes and Bring Back our Stripes!

 

Unfortunately very few people can see it at this stage, which means it will only get worse.

 

There will be plenty of people thinking "That Dave Benson Phillips is a c*nt, but by 'eck he was right all along" within two years, I have no doubt about that.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I am amazed stu is so concerned..he tells me to keep my nose out as I dont get myself STs...

 

he "brags" about not even going to games for the football..he brags about walking to the concourse on 35 mins and leave early to get drunk as possible..football is a secondary event on matchdays..

 

why the concern now..?

 

Add something constructive Dulldays. That's 3 posts in a row which you haven't even mentioned the subject, trying to talk about me instead.

 

Am I wrong? If so, how?

[Bwanamakubwa]

if that price is £1000 for next years season ticket?

 

Yep. If that was best for SFC, meant we were promoted to the PL and stayed there whilst increasing the size of our ground (as he appears insistent upon).

 

Im not even saying I could afford it at that price, but provided enough people could he is doing his job. Unfortunately its what football is all about now.

[The Kraken]

The lack of communication is a growing concern, it is certainly disdainful of fans and smacks of the arrogance of old fashioned 70's style top-down management - "take it or leave it, your views of no interest to me" At least Rupert Lowe had the guts to stand up front and tell fans to their face that their views didn't matter a golden toss to him - I was all for hanging that barsteward!

 

This new man did not seek inputs to kit choice; fans had no say in the ticket fiasco that will hurt and alienate many fans and there is less and less information on the OS and more and more corporate bull**** and money grubbing crap!

 

Yes guys, you should be worried. This may be a new era but not necessarily one that'll make you feel part of it. I'll bet in two years time if this goes on you won't feel like a Saint at all...

 

Oh yes and Bring Back our Stripes!

 

This is a very good post (apart from the stripes bit...)

 

I really don't have too much problem with the price hikes. Ok, the ticket tax is a bit overpriced at £3 but I can understand the principle of it. And I would expect our tickets and season tickets to be towards the higher end for the division as we're npw expecting top end signings, and they've got to be paid for.

 

What I think is inexcusable though is how the club have just decided to cease their engagement with the supporters and adopt a like-it-or-lump-it attitude. It really would have taken a minimal effort of forethought and communication to avert the issues surrounding the removal of the half-season tickets and installment plan, and the fact that the club have still chosen not to speak out about their reasons for doing this is a concern for me. Yes, I'm sure these are all business decisions being made for the good of the club, but alienating some of your most loyal customer doesn't seem to be the best way to do business to me.

[Micky]

Why does there need to be significant dissatisfaction to discuss the issue on a web forum?

 

That's the problem, someone raises a genuine issue and you get plebs crying like a bunch of babies. There is no reason why we should tread on egg shells around Cortese, if we think something has been done wrong it's right to say so, and you can discuss it in a rational manner without getting all defensive through fear of Leibherr doing a runner because of what a few saddos on a Web Forum have said.

 

We accept that it is a genuine issue, but we are not the ones crying over it. Neither is anybody suggesting that Cortese is untouchable, his decissions will be scrutinized - but unlike Stu, we have scrutinized them (and whilst we may not particularly like the decissions) we have accepted them because they may be for the good and benefit of the club. Yes they are genuine issues, although relatively minor - thus we don't feel the need to try to vilify a man who not so very long ago was the clubs saviour.

 

BTW if you are going to use such terms as 'discuss in rational manner' in your posts, it is probably not a good idea to use such terms as 'crying like a bunch of babies' - surely somewhat contradictory. Many thanks for referring to me as a pleb as well - does the argument no end of good.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

We accept that it is a genuine issue, but we are not the ones crying over it. Neither is anybody suggesting that Cortese is untouchable, his decissions will be scrutinized - but unlike Stu, we have scrutinized them (and whilst we may not particularly like the decissions) we have accepted them because they may be for the good and benefit of the club. Yes they are genuine issues, although relatively minor - thus we don't feel the need to try to vilify a man who not so very long ago was the clubs saviour.

 

BTW if you are going to use such terms as 'discuss in rational manner' in your posts, it is probably not a good idea to use such terms as 'crying like a bunch of babies' - surely somewhat contradictory. Many thanks for referring to me as a pleb as well - does the argument no end of good.

 

Can you give me some reasons as to why the decisions that Cortese has made are for the good and benefit of the club? I keep asking people but nobody is willing to pin their colours to the mast.

 

I have made enough predictions that I could fall short on, how about some of you pro-Cortese people stick your head above the parapit?

[John Smith]

Mods, this is just really tedious. Surely, if someone is banned, there is something you can do about them repeatedly coming back on this forum and just littering it with such trolling. If this is SRS, has he been banned? I don;t know, I lost the will to live reading SRS's whines and moans. I know stevegrant was happy for that debate to continue as he felt there was some underlying reasoning behind it. But, does it need to go on and on and on so?

 

If this is 19C or whichever of his multiple re-incarnations we've endured, please can you just deal with it. The best way, IMO, if you don;t want to ban them, let us know that this is a re-incarnation. I am happy for people to recreate themselves and come back to the fold but, this guy just keeps trolling and trolling and trolling.

 

I used to post quite a bit on this forum and would debate with many. I know many people used to do the same. Seriously, the £5 membership fee doesn;t bother me, but restricting myself to 3 posts a day is great, I read a lot more than I react to, and I've just sat and read page after page of the DBP thread and watched his trolling ways, and, I could've commented several times, but I don;t like wasting my posts on someone that just doesn;t listen, want to debate and ultimately posts over 200 posts in little over a month in order to gain some badly needed attention.

 

This guy, whoever he is, reminds me of either that dude that tried to buy Bournemouth but used to post on here, or the guy from Scotland that hounded that Microsoft guy. I think that the admin on here could be harming someone's mental health if they do not either ban or expose this DBP. I fear for his health, I really do.

[Bucks Saint]

should i really care what Cortese might be trying to do? or what is actually happening at SFC in terms of preparation for the season and then progress during it? I will go to games depending on a couple of factors (no ST as cant get to Soton often enough to make it work) but none of these are based on what Cortese might be trying to do. if that makes me simple, so be it

[aintforever]

Having a blind loyalty is a very dangerous thing..

 

Exactly, we are all grateful that Marcus saved the club and if Cortese had a role in that then we are thankful to him too.

 

But they didn't buy Saints because they like the sound of Come On You Reds drifting on the solent breeze over Woolston, they invested in a business for the same reason Manderic, Gaydamack etc did - to make money. nothing wrong with that but it doesn't mean you should be scared of speaking up when you think something is being done wrong.

 

To many plumbs on here live in a little fantasy world where they think posting on an internet forum will cause Leibherr to do a runner.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Mods, this is just really tedious. Surely, if someone is banned, there is something you can do about them repeatedly coming back on this forum and just littering it with such trolling. If this is SRS, has he been banned? I don;t know, I lost the will to live reading SRS's whines and moans. I know stevegrant was happy for that debate to continue as he felt there was some underlying reasoning behind it. But, does it need to go on and on and on so?

 

If this is 19C or whichever of his multiple re-incarnations we've endured, please can you just deal with it. The best way, IMO, if you don;t want to ban them, let us know that this is a re-incarnation. I am happy for people to recreate themselves and come back to the fold but, this guy just keeps trolling and trolling and trolling.

 

I used to post quite a bit on this forum and would debate with many. I know many people used to do the same. Seriously, the £5 membership fee doesn;t bother me, but restricting myself to 3 posts a day is great, I read a lot more than I react to, and I've just sat and read page after page of the DBP thread and watched his trolling ways, and, I could've commented several times, but I don;t like wasting my posts on someone that just doesn;t listen, want to debate and ultimately posts over 200 posts in little over a month in order to gain some badly needed attention.

 

This guy, whoever he is, reminds me of either that dude that tried to buy Bournemouth but used to post on here, or the guy from Scotland that hounded that Microsoft guy. I think that the admin on here could be harming someone's mental health if they do not either ban or expose this DBP. I fear for his health, I really do.

 

Can you use one of your posts to let me know how I am wrong?

[Smirking_Saint]

Virtually all Saints fans I have spoke to think withdrawing the repayment plan at short notice is out of order. Did you just pull the 8-10 figure out of your anus like all the other rubbish you spout on here?

 

Why does there need to be significant dissatisfaction to discuss the issue on a web forum?

 

That's the problem, someone raises a genuine issue and you get plebs crying like a bunch of babies. There is no reason why we should tread on egg shells around Cortese, if we think something has been done wrong it's right to say so, and you can discuss it in a rational manner without getting all defensive through fear of Leibherr doing a runner because of what a few saddos on a Web Forum have said.

 

Lol yeah you are right.

 

Some of us post an opinion and it gets shouted down by one note plebs.

 

Lol

 

How you getting on with that list BTW ?

[Bwanamakubwa]

should i really care what Cortese might be trying to do? or what is actually happening at SFC in terms of preparation for the season and then progress during it? I will go to games depending on a couple of factors (no ST as cant get to Soton often enough to make it work) but none of these are based on what Cortese might be trying to do. if that makes me simple, so be it

 

This is what I was trying to say, but didnt quite word it correctly.

[Smirking_Saint]

Mods, this is just really tedious. Surely, if someone is banned, there is something you can do about them repeatedly coming back on this forum and just littering it with such trolling. If this is SRS, has he been banned? I don;t know, I lost the will to live reading SRS's whines and moans. I know stevegrant was happy for that debate to continue as he felt there was some underlying reasoning behind it. But, does it need to go on and on and on so?

 

If this is 19C or whichever of his multiple re-incarnations we've endured, please can you just deal with it. The best way, IMO, if you don;t want to ban them, let us know that this is a re-incarnation. I am happy for people to recreate themselves and come back to the fold but, this guy just keeps trolling and trolling and trolling.

 

I used to post quite a bit on this forum and would debate with many. I know many people used to do the same. Seriously, the £5 membership fee doesn;t bother me, but restricting myself to 3 posts a day is great, I read a lot more than I react to, and I've just sat and read page after page of the DBP thread and watched his trolling ways, and, I could've commented several times, but I don;t like wasting my posts on someone that just doesn;t listen, want to debate and ultimately posts over 200 posts in little over a month in order to gain some badly needed attention.

 

This guy, whoever he is, reminds me of either that dude that tried to buy Bournemouth but used to post on here, or the guy from Scotland that hounded that Microsoft guy. I think that the admin on here could be harming someone's mental health if they do not either ban or expose this DBP. I fear for his health, I really do.

 

It is Stu

 

Everyone knows it, he just isn't ready to admit it yet.

[Sour Mash]

Communication between the fans and the club certainly hasn't been great over the last few months. It's stupid from Cortese, as with a bit of easy PR spin here and there, a lot of decisions would be accepted more easily and he'd be buying himself a lot more time from criticism.

 

However, some fans are really over-reacting over all this, in the grand scheme of things, very few people I know really care that much about having their season ticket seat for one particular game, or if they are given a chance to vote on the new kit. You sound like a load of spoilt kids.

[Micky]

Can you give me some reasons as to why the decisions that Cortese has made are for the good and benefit of the club? I keep asking people but nobody is willing to pin their colours to the mast.

 

I have made enough predictions that I could fall short on, how about some of you pro-Cortese people stick your head above the parapit?

 

Stu - he hasn't made any good decissions for the club. I told you in my last post - we all agree with you that NC has absolutely shocking PR skills - the point being - we don't really care as we like the way the club is unfolding, the state of our squad and the ambition of our manager, CE and owner. Therefore when there is the odd decission that we don't like, we do not feel the need to 'bear arms' in order to highlight it.

 

My head is well above the parapit (as are lots of others if you care to adjust your sights), unlike you, we just don't see it as a 'BIG ISSUE'. Others have advised you, don't like the product, don't buy it - it's that simple. As for the arugument that there will be thousands and thousands not buying the 'SMS Product' - let's wait and see eh. As CW pointed out 2 years down the line we might all be whinging - but whose to say that those at the club wont have learned from the feedback that they have recieved from fans this season and change and reinstate certain services for next - give these guys a chance ffs.

 

The majority of decissions that this man makes for this club are probably totally undisclosed to us anyway - I have no idea of the business decissions that he takes on a day to day basis. We had a good season last season, a trip to Wembly and last year I had not felt as good about the club for years - that tells me that NC is making more right than wrong decissions. That is decission enough for me.

 

Analyse all the negativity that you want - do your stats, visit every other clubs website in order to prove everybody else wrong, bash you drum until your knuckles hurt - NC is making more good calls than bad ones.

 

Heres one pro Cortese person with head and shoulders above the parapit.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I think NC has made some good decisions over the last 12 months and some not so good ones.

At the end of the day he has all the power and is answerable only to one man, unlike Lowe he can get away with anything.

 

From where we were a season ago I think most are very glad that Liebherr and Cortese rode into town but.........various people who are well-placed and no axe to grind, tell me he is making a large number of enemies out there, there are many decent and hard working employees at SMS who are unhappy at his style of running things and there are many close to the club who think Cortese to be utterly out of control and acting like a despot. I have heard enough to be worried.

 

I hate to say this but I think next season is not going to be a smooth one and the bookies, although making us favourites, maybe unaware of a lot of tension bubbling along under the surface.

[100%Red&White]

Do you think Sheffield Wednesday will be spending as much as us on players, Stu?

 

If that's how it works the blue-few should have been paying a-couple-of-hundred-quid-or-more to get into 'Nottarf Krap' each home game (maybe they could have paid for their tickets with money they didn't have!)

[John Smith]

Can you use one of your posts to let me know how I am wrong?

 

Sure, seeing as I was talking about how it was wrong for someone that is banned or risking their mental health to be posting on here, just by you posting a reply, I would say you are wrong. Just because you think it is ok to ignore a banning, some of us think this is wrong, ie, it is against the rules. But, that is my question to the mods, because, that is how I perceive the rules to be. However, I am not so righteous as to want someone banned for life or reincarnate themselves as a new poster, if, they did it in a way which didn't continue their methods which got them banned in the first place.

 

I have argued with people on here, and, in the past, maybe the mods have been leniant with some of my comments. But, I try not to swear, I try no to antagonise and I try to reason and debate issues, whilst accepting there are 2 sides to every arguement. Sometimes that is difficult and I have over stepped the mark by a smidging. However, I have control over myself and if I have one wrong, I tend to slepp on it and re-position myself. For instance, I do owe one poster on here an apology. I misread their post and my response made me sound pompous. This was unintentional, I will apologise in time, but, I couldn;t at the time because I didn;t want to add more fuel to the flames of another tedious thread on the same topic, hijacked by the same people. I was annoyed and let my heart rule my mind. I realised I had posted the wrong thing and I did what I usually do, I stop posting and reflect on why. In due course I will apologise to this poster because he argued his side very well, despite of my pompous reply, and I admire him for that, and will tell him so when I think the apology will not be used to fuel the flames of this argument again.

 

So, I have used this post to show you how I think you are wrong to continually post on this subject in the way that you do if you are banned. I will leave it to others to decide if they think you are wrong also. If I am wrong and you are a new poster, never to have posted on this site, or its predecessor before, then I apologise. But, if you are a new poster, I have one question, how did you come to hate NC so quickly and over this one decision, because as you have pointed out, in your opinion, he has been taking advantage of us gullible fans and persecuting the media and hero's for months, 200+ posts in little over 1 month, that's quite some hatred, so why this hatred?