Car Parking

[benjii]

Errr, I have been kicking off about the pre-season tour since the end of February wanting to know where it was so I could book flights quite publicly on here... stating that I was intending on going this year, I am sure people will back that up and as soon as Stevo pulls his finger out and sorts the post search, I will pwn you with it and accept your apology.

 

Do you have any proof that Liebherr is funding the club? Apart from Cortese saying so ( which actually proves nothing ) the accounts will make interesting reason, and apart from his initial setup investment, I massively believe we are running in profit, once the accounts are out, I will accept your apology again.

 

But you only joined in June ?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

So when you previously said that paying £400 in one hit was nothing to you and wouldn't affect you renewing you were lying?

 

If you actually read all my posts with the care of that one, you would have noticed when I first kicked off about the lack of installment plan I didn't need it and could have covered it with savings, then a week or so later I said about an unexpected bill which had to take priority.

 

Is that ok? If you want to know more I will tell you in private, if you can get away from the safety of your PC... which I doubt you will have the spine to do, like Dulldays and Nick G, who just think it is clever to take me on/snipe from behind a PC.

[benjii]

Concentrate on maximising season ticket sales, regardless of our league position, crowds won't significantly rise until the last 3 or 4 games of the season, no Boxing Day game, no Leeds this year, only potential sell-out is Bournemouth.

 

20k STH is much more revenue than 10k STH and 10k casual fans, this has to be the case or clubs would not make such an effort to sell season tickets. I cannot see the casual fans going to 14 games a season, it just won't happen.

 

 

Do you really, really believe they haven't crunched the numbers and done some analysis on this?

 

Do you really, really believe that such analysis won't be a bit more sophisticated than your self-centred back-of-a-fag-packet gut-feeling approach?

[benjii]

 

Is that ok? If you want to know more I will tell you in private, if you can get away from the safety of your PC... which I doubt you will have the spine to do, like Dulldays and Nick G, who just think it is clever to take me on/snipe from behind a PC.

 

lol - that old chestnut.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Do you really, really believe they haven't crunched the numbers and done some analysis on this?

 

Do you really, really believe that such analysis won't be a bit more sophisticated than your self-centred back-of-a-fag-packet gut-feeling approach?

 

Do you really, really believe if casual fans were worth more to a club than season ticket holders, the other 91 clubs in the football league wouldn't push season tickets so much?

 

Benji, one very simple question. Simple, 2 choices?

 

Do you believe that SFC are right and season ticket holders are worthless, or do you believe that the other 91 league clubs are right and the season ticket holder is the more valuable to a club?

 

Is...

 

A) SFC right.

 

or

 

B) The other 91 league clubs right.

 

A or B Benji?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

lol - that old chestnut.

 

Pet hate of mine Benji, you know that, people that large it on a forum, don't actually add anything other than disagreeing and saying things that in reality, are probably not your thoughts, you just like disagreeing with SRS.

 

As for the new name, I changed it because people like yourself where just constantly disagreeing just for the sake of it to get a bite. For the first week, DBP was able to post exactly the same material, in exactly the same way, but got a much more reasoned response, kind of proved my point.

 

I do practice what I preach, I would meet anyone on here for a pint if they disagree with what I say, I will even buy the pint, ask David Luker, or Nick Illingsworth ( who I met a couple of weeks ago after years of calling him a ****le )

 

It's a pity people can't use this forum to express their real opinion, rather than sniping from their PC, many people have met me by chance or by meet from this forum, and every one of them will vouch that every opinion I give on this forum, be it SFC or non-football related... I back up in the real world.

[Thedelldays]

stu..ever thought that no one wants to meet you..?

I certainly do not, so please stop asking me

 

as for the safety behind a PC...well, I have been critical of this new set up..despite the owner of this place having a pretty darn strong connection of sorts to me..

 

having said that, im sure they know that nothing is personal stu..

[Smirking_Saint]

Problem is Stu is your 'lets me for a pint' speeches always come across as the same aggressive ways in which you post and shout down opinions mate.

 

Perhaps that is why most people don't want to meet up with you ??

 

But anyways back to topic, FWIW i honestly think this price hike is a bit too hight, £200 plus cup games and a tenner is less steep and more f*cking verticle. I guess that SFC does not own the car parks however so you never know quite how highly those that do have priced the ground to SFC but still, i just can't see it jump that high.

[Big Bad Bob]

Do you really, really believe if casual fans were worth more to a club than season ticket holders, the other 91 clubs in the football league wouldn't push season tickets so much?

 

I was always under the assumption that Season Tickets were good to a club because they got the revenue up front and could budget accordingly!

 

That's great for clubs that sail close to the wind financially but for the ones that don't need that saftey net it's not so necessary.

 

Another thought too is :- when we were at the Dell we had a Season Ticket waiting list yet people could still buy tickets for matches on a match by match basis. Why didn't SFC just sell all the seats as season tickets?? Man United have a ST waiting list yet they could probably fill their ground up with ST holders yet they don't.

 

There has to be some middle ground.

 

Our average attendance last season was 20K, that's over the whole season, we had 2(??) sell out games and some pretty low crowds when things weren't going so well, so based on last years 14K (??) ST sales we had 6K extra seats sold per game, that's (roughly) another 12K season tickets (based on renewal prices) probaly another 9K odd based on normal prices!!

Edited 30 June, 2010 by Big Bad Bob
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[Dave Benson Phillips]

stu..ever thought that no one wants to meet you..?

I certainly do not, so please stop asking me

 

as for the safety behind a PC...well, I have been critical of this new set up..despite the owner of this place having a pretty darn strong connection of sorts to me..

 

having said that, im sure they know that nothing is personal stu..

 

That's fine. As long as we know they you are just obsessed with talking to an internet persona, that you won't ever have to justify yourself too.

 

I bet you have a Bebo account too, so you can make new friends.

 

I am going to pop you on ignore now Dulldays. You are a tedious internet troll.

[Surman4no7shirt]

I hope none of the northern clubs see this. They would be ****ing themselves laughing at the soft southerners who couldn't possibly walk to the ground.

[buctootim]

Pet hate of mine Benji, you know that, people that large it on a forum, don't actually add anything other than disagreeing and saying things that in reality, are probably not your thoughts, you just like disagreeing with SRS.

 

As for the new name, I changed it because people like yourself where just constantly disagreeing just for the sake of it to get a bite. For the first week, DBP was able to post exactly the same material, in exactly the same way, but got a much more reasoned response, kind of proved my point.

 

The reason that DBP got a easy reception for a week was because you posted at a normal rate for a week. No-one wants to read the same two or three opinions of yours repeated forcefully 60 posts a day. Its spamming up the forum. Thats why you get the hostile reception - your posting style -no other reason.

Edited 30 June, 2010 by buctootim

[miserableoldgit]

I hope none of the northern clubs see this. They would be ****ing themselves laughing at the soft southerners who couldn't possibly walk to the ground.

Once again someone who hasn`t bothered to actually read the thread but wants to make sweeping statements. The thread is about the sharp rise in cost for car parking this year. Oh, and I am absolutely positive that no club north of Watford has any car-parking close to their stadiums -hard northern bastards that they are!

[Surman4no7shirt]

Once again someone who hasn`t bothered to actually read the thread but wants to make sweeping statements. The thread is about the sharp rise in cost for car parking this year. Oh, and I am absolutely positive that no club north of Watford has any car-parking close to their stadiums -hard northern bastards that they are!

 

I did read the whole thread actually, and yes you are right its a sweeping statement. So, here's my two pence. Car parking has always been at best poor value at the club, and a waste of money at best, it's nothing new. It's easy to park within a 15 min walk from the stadium and was even in the prem, we had parking for one season (the first or second at st marys I think) and then always parked up by fox's (what used to be the land rover/jaguar place the other side of the bridge), or in a million other places that you can find.

 

It's actually quicker to park further away and walk and avoiding the traffic around the ground than it is to park closer.

 

If you or anyone else is having legitimate problems walking to the ground, do yourselves, and everyone else, a favor and go to the doctors and get a blue badge, then park wherever you like. Moaning on a forum isn't exactly going to solve the problem.

[Saint Bri]

I am registered disabled and in previous seasons have been fortunate enough to have a disabled parking pass at St Marys. Previously this has been renewed at the same time as my season ticket, this year I renewed my season ticket but the parking pass has not been renewed. I rang the ticket office and was told that the pass would probably be renewed but there would be a charge this seasonn, not sure how much - I would be told later.

Now, I exist on a state pension and save money on a monthly basis for my season ticket(an installment plan if you like) but I have not allowed for any exttas, suppose I could leave the car on a double yellow outside the stadium and refer the police to NC However, having been a regular supporter home and away since 1948 and I really do have severe walking disabilty I am not a very happy Saint at the moment

[miserableoldgit]

I did read the whole thread actually, and yes you are right its a sweeping statement. So, here's my two pence. Car parking has always been at best poor value at the club, and a waste of money at best, it's nothing new. It's easy to park within a 15 min walk from the stadium and was even in the prem, we had parking for one season (the first or second at st marys I think) and then always parked up by fox's (what used to be the land rover/jaguar place the other side of the bridge), or in a million other places that you can find.

 

It's actually quicker to park further away and walk and avoiding the traffic around the ground than it is to park closer.

 

If you or anyone else is having legitimate problems walking to the ground, do yourselves, and everyone else, a favor and go to the doctors and get a blue badge, then park wherever you like. Moaning on a forum isn't exactly going to solve the problem.

I do apologise. I didn`t realise that moaning wasn`t allowed on an internet forum. How remiss of me. I am really pleased that you take such a great interest in how I spend my money and letting me know if it is money well spent or not. I am grateful for the advice that you have so freely given, without which my life would never be the same. I see it all so clearly now. Thank You.

[bowers-sfc]

Speaking to someone whos girlfriend works in the ticket office, the increase of price in car parking, season tickets etc. is due to a new turnstle system ( I persume a barcode, swipe thing ) they want to cover the costs of this system this season and have the old method of paying monthly for season tickets next season.

 

not sure how much truth there is in it. but sounds pretty understandable

[derry]

Speaking to someone whos girlfriend works in the ticket office, the increase of price in car parking, season tickets etc. is due to a new turnstle system ( I persume a barcode, swipe thing ) they want to cover the costs of this system this season and have the old method of paying monthly for season tickets next season.

 

not sure how much truth there is in it. but sounds pretty understandable

 

I've got my tickets for the Reading game and there are no bar codes on them. Interestingly the Club's car park in Elliott's charged £8 a game equal to £184 per season and was full every week. I used it the odd time. It sounds like the car park season has been brought into line with the weekly rate.

[View From The Top]

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Southampton+Football+Club,+St.+Marys+Stadium,+Britannia+Road,+Southampton+SO14+5FP,+United+Kingdom&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=6.023708,28.256836&ie=UTF8&ll=50.899372,-1.386863&spn=0.00157,0.006899&t=h&z=17

 

This, if the link has worked, is the council pay & display at Crosshouse Rd, under the bridge.

[Surman4no7shirt]

I do apologise. I didn`t realise that moaning wasn`t allowed on an internet forum. How remiss of me. I am really pleased that you take such a great interest in how I spend my money and letting me know if it is money well spent or not. I am grateful for the advice that you have so freely given, without which my life would never be the same. I see it all so clearly now. Thank You.

 

I am always glad to help. Should you have any problems with this in the future please don't hesitate to contact me.

 

 

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I am registered disabled and in previous seasons have been fortunate enough to have a disabled parking pass at St Marys. Previously this has been renewed at the same time as my season ticket, this year I renewed my season ticket but the parking pass has not been renewed. I rang the ticket office and was told that the pass would probably be renewed but there would be a charge this seasonn, not sure how much - I would be told later.

Now, I exist on a state pension and save money on a monthly basis for my season ticket(an installment plan if you like) but I have not allowed for any exttas, suppose I could leave the car on a double yellow outside the stadium and refer the police to NC However, having been a regular supporter home and away since 1948 and I really do have severe walking disabilty I am not a very happy Saint at the moment

 

Should you have a legitimate problem such as this, please don't hesitate to contact me and I will do anything in my power to help you out.

 

Self centred ****.

[Saint Bri]

I am always glad to help. Should you have any problems with this in the future please don't hesitate to contact me.

 

 

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Should you have a legitimate problem such as this, please don't hesitate to contact me and I will do anything in my power to help you out.

 

Self centred ****.

I am far too busy being self centered to ask for help

[Ken Tone]

I am a parking season ticket holder. I have not been told anything about next (this!) 's year arrangements. Where did the OP get this informnation please?

 

There's nothing on the OS that I can see. No one has written to me etc.

 

K.

[70's Mike]

I am a parking season ticket holder. I have not been told anything about next (this!) 's year arrangements. Where did the OP get this informnation please?

 

There's nothing on the OS that I can see. No one has written to me etc.

 

K.

 

contact Sarah Wallace at club, they are not automatically renewing but filling up car park at a time, to avoid half empty ones.

one i parked in at Hansons Yard in Marine Marine is not being used this year, been offered St Marys Street or Car park used for Jpt trophy, which is ok but as we come in over Itchen Bridge means we have to go back past stadium to go home.

[miserableoldgit]

I am a parking season ticket holder. I have not been told anything about next (this!) 's year arrangements. Where did the OP get this informnation please?

 

There's nothing on the OS that I can see. No one has written to me etc.

 

K.

I rang the club and asked about CP renewal as I hadn`t heard anything. I used the gravel yard right opposite the stadium. I was told that this was now not going to be available as they only now had use of half of it and it will be used for disabled etc but the cost for Cat A would be £200 but only for League games. She said that we had a couple of weeks to renew and that they were "hoping" to get some letters out soon.

[70's Mike]

I rang the club and asked about CP renewal as I hadn`t heard anything. I used the gravel yard right opposite the stadium. I was told that this was now not going to be available as they only now had use of half of it and it will be used for disabled etc but the cost for Cat A would be £200 but only for League games. She said that we had a couple of weeks to renew and that they were "hoping" to get some letters out soon.

 

i was trying to find out how it would work for cup games, i understand where we can claim our own seat we can claim and pay £10.50 for cup games, but was all a bit vague on how it will work for games like Bournemouth where it is a free for all.Hard to believe they lost money on these car parks in the past

[miserableoldgit]

i was trying to find out how it would work for cup games' date=' i understand where we can claim our own seat we can claim and pay £10.50 for cup games, but was all a bit vague on how it will work for games like Bournemouth where it is a free for all.[b']Hard to believe they lost money on these car parks in the past

[/b]

She did say that the club had subsidised the parking prevously and that they had been told that all aspect of the club had to at least cover costs.

[70's Mike]

[/b]

She did say that the club had subsidised the parking prevously and that they had been told that all aspect of the club had to at least cover costs.

 

she told me that and i still find it hard to believe that RL was so poor a business man that he could not divide a fixed rental cost plus match day staff costs and divide it by the number of cars to get a selling price

[Ken Tone]

I rang the club and asked about CP renewal as I hadn`t heard anything. I used the gravel yard right opposite the stadium. I was told that this was now not going to be available as they only now had use of half of it and it will be used for disabled etc but the cost for Cat A would be £200 but only for League games. She said that we had a couple of weeks to renew and that they were "hoping" to get some letters out soon.

 

 

Bloody hell. The gravel yard is where I have parked too. And they 'hope to get some letters out soon'!

 

So as poor communiations as for the season tickets themselves.

 

Customer service this isn't.

 

K.

[sidthesquid]

Ouch! Just renewed my car-parking. No choice really, we live away beyond the dark side and are always pushed for time, but a doubling of the price and being bumped along to Y from B (opposite the ground) doesn't leave me feeling very happy. And looking at the prices for Bournemouth in the League Cup those cheap Cup nights of last season are a thing of the past

[hypochondriac]

Thankfully I am chummy with the policeman in charge and can park where they do, directly opposite the ground

[Fan The Flames]

she told me that and i still find it hard to believe that RL was so poor a business man that he could not divide a fixed rental cost plus match day staff costs and divide it by the number of cars to get a selling price

 

A travel plan would have been part of the planning application for the ground and part of this plan may have been to use non car parking areas for car parking on match day and it may well have been a condition of planning that the parking costs could not be more that £130. It is amazing the the power planners have. This may have expired, ceased to be enforceable or SFC and contravening it. I don't know this but it is possible.

[Scummer]

A travel plan would have been part of the planning application for the ground and part of this plan may have been to use non car parking areas for car parking on match day and it may well have been a condition of planning that the parking costs could not be more that £130. It is amazing the the power planners have. This may have expired, ceased to be enforceable or SFC and contravening it. I don't know this but it is possible.

 

Yes I said something similar the other day. Remember that 'free' bus tickets were part of the planning approval as well, but they were ditched a few years ago.

[hypochondriac]

Yes I said something similar the other day. Remember that 'free' bus tickets were part of the planning approval as well, but they were ditched a few years ago.

 

Bet NC was pleased they were scrapped before he came along!

[Chez]

I genuinely don't believe we've been funded from Markus Liebherr's pocket at all.

I've wondered that. What makes you so sure that income covers the expenditure already?

 

If true then the talk of Marcus leaving if Cortsese is upset by fans goes out the window.

[Chez]

Cortese said from 'Day 1' that the club would now be run on a self-sustaining basis.

 

It seems obvious to me that he's discovered (or had it re-inforced) that last season's income did not cover last season's costs so he is having to find ways of either increasing the income streams or reducing costs or a combination of the two.

 

Perhaps if people are unhappy with the income streams he has chosen to maximise (e.g. ticket "tax", car parking, potential hike in concourse refreshment costs) what other revenue streams or cost bases would they choose to focus on instead?

 

It's all very easy to criticise cost cutting and price rises but it's less easy to come up with alternative ways of making an organisation self-sustaining (in good times and bad).

well as we are not privy to any of the club's finaces we can't question his annual wage - but I bet he is earningt more than Lowe did in the CCC. Speculation on my part of course, but the removal of a shirt sponsor makes little sense if you can't afford to do without it. So there's my alternative to some of these wonderful new revenue streams Cortsese keeps dreaming up. Does anyone actually give a **** that we have or don't have one on the shirt?

[hypochondriac]

I've wondered that. What makes you so sure that income covers the expenditure already?

 

If true then the talk of Marcus leaving if Cortsese is upset by fans goes out the window.

 

It's stupid anyway. He would have to sell to at least get back what he has invested. IMO there is no way he would just leave even if Cortese did.

[hypochondriac]

well as we are not privy to any of the club's finaces we can't question his annual wage - but I bet he is earningt more than Lowe did in the CCC. Speculation on my part of course, but the removal of a shirt sponsor makes little sense if you can't afford to do without it. So there's my alternative to some of these wonderful new revenue streams Cortsese keeps dreaming up. Does anyone actually give a **** that we have or don't have one on the shirt?

 

Personally I would rather have a sponsor and all other costs dropped.

[Thedelldays]

It's stupid anyway. He would have to sell to at least get back what he has invested. IMO there is no way he would just leave even if Cortese did.

 

he might start taking from the club what he puts in..take away a large monthly pay back payment..?

[hypochondriac]

he might start taking from the club what he puts in..take away a large monthly pay back payment..?

 

From what we know about ML (admittedly not a great deal) that doesn't sound like the sort of person he is. Cortese on the other hand...

[Thedelldays]

From what we know about ML (admittedly not a great deal) that doesn't sound like the sort of person he is. Cortese on the other hand...

what and how on earth did you come to that conclusion...we have no idea...

[hypochondriac]

what and how on earth did you come to that conclusion...we have no idea...

 

The description of him from Cortese, the way he conducts his business etc.

[Thedelldays]

The description of him from Cortese, the way he conducts his business etc.

 

let me get this straight...you believe cortese on that one..?

[hypochondriac]

TDD I'm not getting into an argument with you again.

[AK]

It's not just the fact the car parking season tickets will close to double in price it is yet again the fact that the club have not bothered to contact their customers to advise they are on sale.

 

If i had not seen this thread I would have not realised they are now on sale.

[hypochondriac]

It's not just the fact the car parking season tickets will close to double in price it is yet again the fact that the club have not bothered to contact their customers to advise they are on sale.

 

If i had not seen this thread I would have not realised they are now on sale.

 

That's my main gripe I think. No decisions have been explained to the fans. If they were it would be much easier to swallow.

[miserableoldgit]

Bet NC was pleased they were scrapped before he came along!

 

Some people will still blame him though.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

It's not just the fact the car parking season tickets will close to double in price it is yet again the fact that the club have not bothered to contact their customers to advise they are on sale.

 

If i had not seen this thread I would have not realised they are now on sale.

 

They wouldn't want to send you out a reminder for your car park season ticket as that will also remind you to renew your season ticket, and they don't want that, do they?

[edprice1984]

When I come down to home games ( I live in Gloucester and currently go to more away games ) I park at the Isle of Wight Ferry terminal (at the end of the pier) - normally £4-5 for 3/4 hours, and always plenty of spaces. 10 minute walk to ground, I tend to wander round town first - the only issue is that you do get caught up in the traffic getting out of Soton after the game. This would only really affect those who live to the West of Soton obviously.

[Wilko]

Why not just use public transport? Save the planet, prevent congestion, save £200. What's to lose?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Why not just use public transport? Save the planet, prevent congestion, save £200. What's to lose?

 

Another lack of empathy example here.

 

Many people that use the service do so because they cannot stand on their feet/walk for long.

 

Fair comment?