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If increasing the cost of parking "near the ground" has to increase to cover the operating costs so be it. If you don't like it park somewhere else, find another method of transport, or don't bother. It's is increasingly tiresome to hear a small minority moaning about what appear to be sensible and more to the point realistic measures set out by the club.

 

£200 to park at the stadium is something I wouldn't pay but if you want that convenience that's what it is. Our club MUST run profitably - agreed not at the expense of the masses - BUT this cost and the STs will only effect a very small percentage realistically.

 

IMHO if NC does not make tough decisions, and I don't think any have been that bad, the club may struggle long term. Sure ML is ploughing money in but that is from what I can tell for the infrastructure. Any day to day operation must be self sustaining. Simple economics.

 

Get over yourselves.

Firstly, it`s not what it was! I have had a parking ticket opposite SMS since the stadium opened. The costs have risen every year and I have not complained. This year it will go from £130 to £200 and will not cover Cup games (another £10.50 per game) and you think that I should just accept it without saying anything?

Secondly "Our club MUST run profitably - agreed not at the expense of the masses". So the small minority must pay for the club to run as a viable concern, not "the masses?". I think that it`s you that needs to get over yourself!

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Firstly, it`s not what it was! I have had a parking ticket opposite SMS since the stadium opened. The costs have risen every year and I have not complained. This year it will go from £130 to £200 and will not cover Cup games (another £10.50 per game) and you think that I should just accept it without saying anything?

 

It depends how you look at it.

 

If the club have been charging you less for the space than it cost them to service then you have been saving £x year on year. OK, you didn't know it at the time so on the surface it looks like a massive price hike but it's not a massive hike if you subtract the 'less than cost' discount price you have been paying up to now.

 

But, once again, it all comes down to communication. If you'd been told in 2002 that the price you were paying for your parking was heavily discounted and cost the club money and that they reserved the right to re-allign the price to 'cost or above' at some point in the future then you'd have been in the picture.

 

So, it's not surprising that someone wanting to run the club on a 'at cost or above' basis has decided to remove this loss making anomally but I accept it's a little disappointing in the general scheme of things that people have been kept in the dark about the true cost over the years.

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With the exception of player fees, i think we were pretty much self sustaining last season, given the numbers of players released, I am now 100% sure we are, although i do believe ML will continue to fund the players transfer fees needed to get us promoted. (Based on nothing but assumption)

 

With regard to cortese, take a read of his interview in the JPT program (Very interesting). He is not here for the long term, he is looking to build or lay the foundations of a sustainable club and ultimately that means extra money...... mostly from the fans.

 

The other point is that Cortese will be on some various bonus schemes. It would be incredible if one of the components of that is not additional revenue / profit. This is a guy used to big chunky bonues from the banking world and probably used to earning around 400 - 500k (In its hay day Coretese's current role paid 450k to Lowe in his best year).

 

So how far off the mark would it be to think that he gets a % of additional revenue streams or at least a $% ofthe profit of those?

 

That's where things like parking, administration charges and booking fees, become significant - and important for him (And the Club)

 

The payback is the club doing well - Everything comes at a price. A hardnose businessman making unpopular decisions, but the club on the up and being successful.

Of course there is no gurantee we will be.....but the model he has put in place will blow up in his face if it doesn't. Everything is geared towards the club doing well.

 

Make no mistake, cortese, is not here to make friends, be popular or have his name sung on the terrraces. Everything is about money and success and then he will be gone.

 

Given the characters in charge in the past, it's a case of whether success (promotion) is justification of poor communications, unhelp ticketing policies, hike in prices and appauling PR.

 

I think most fans would take promotion.

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Hands up those who would rather see the club run on an unsustainable budget again.

 

edit: but, yes, communication could be better (thought I'd better get that caveat in quick....)

 

Is the club running on an unsustainable budget though? Take out the initial transfers, since their first transfer window, do you believe that the club has relied on Liebherr for funding? I certainly don't, and that includes the training ground upgrades.

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Easy to make snippy comments. Im sure some will claim a six month workover of this forum wasnt asked for or necessary. Some will claim the £5 memebership charge could have been met through advertising. Its odd that you ***** about the management of SFC yet are / were involved in the two most autocratic and unrepresentative fans organisations -this one and the Saints Trust. A bit of consistency in the standards depatrment wouldnt come amiss.

 

god forbid...!!!

 

admin..where was our "communication" about the changes to this site...when were we properly consulted about the fees..?

 

of course, you lot would never say "this is not a democracy" would you...no, course not.

 

I have no doubt that you depend on US (the fans of this place, or customers) paying up every year..or you would not need to charge..?

maybe take a look at what you are complaining about here

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Is the club running on an unsustainable budget though? Take out the initial transfers, since their first transfer window, do you believe that the club has relied on Liebherr for funding? I certainly don't, and that includes the training ground upgrades.

To be honest, I have no idea. I'm simply reading between the lines. Cortese's actions suggest that there were some 'cost vs revenue' gaps that needed closing to run the day-to-day business side of the club (i.e. the non-Liebherr funded part) to break-even or profit levels.

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Whilst I don't pay for parking as I park away from the ground and walk in I do understand why those with an illness like 70s Mike, or are getting on in years, like Andoverian, feel as if it is a big issue.

 

Of course, you can park in the public car park by the rowing club next to the old hovercraft slip for a couple of quid and it's only and extra 200m or so from the official carparks.

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admin..where was our "communication" about the changes to this site...

I've been talking about the major upgrade for at least 8 months on various parts of this forum, and everyone was also informed a week or so before the actual upgrade took place about the date and time it was taking place.

 

when were we properly consulted about the fees..?

You had the option when the site was launched nearly two years ago to exercise your right not to pay the £5 annual subscription, and have had another opportunity since then when it was up for renewal. You chose not to do so on both occasions. Therefore, the only conclusion that can be drawn is that you're fairly satisfied with what's on offer. Nobody's holding a gun to your head.

 

I have no doubt that you depend on US (the fans of this place, or customers) paying up every year..or you would not need to charge..?

Yes, we do, but we're a little bit different to Southampton FC, would you not agree? If people don't like the way this place is run, they'll go to another forum which is more aligned to their views on how it should be run... not quite the same situation with a football club, is it? :facepalm:

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it is all a matter of choice though steve...

did we all get to see what the new site would look like..? did we all get to have a say..? after all, you rely on our money right..?

 

after a pretty much common view that this site looks worse, it was "it is not a democracy"....

and no, there are no real other sites for fans as you know this has a very large loyal base....

 

unless you think that those who pay..can just "go else where."...?

or are you assuming that we all will just pay up regardless..?

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god forbid...!!!

 

admin..where was our "communication" about the changes to this site...when were we properly consulted about the fees..?

 

of course, you lot would never say "this is not a democracy" would you...no, course not.

 

I have no doubt that you depend on US (the fans of this place, or customers) paying up every year..or you would not need to charge..?

maybe take a look at what you are complaining about here

 

when are you next off to sea?

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it is all a matter of choice though steve...

did we all get to see what the new site would look like..? did we all get to have a say..? after all, you rely on our money right..?

 

after a pretty much common view that this site looks worse, it was "it is not a democracy"....

and no, there are no real other sites for fans as you know this has a very large loyal base....

 

unless you think that those who pay..can just "go else where."...?

or are you assuming that we all will just pay up regardless..?

 

You have hit the nail on the head.

 

Saintsweb is a product, if you don't like the product, don't buy it.

 

Cortese is treating SFC as a product, when a football club is much different. He know's there is lots of people in the Group A which I mentioned, what will have their trousers down and rogered over every aspect of the club and he is exploiting these people.

 

He even manages to have people who don't go to many games and are not affected by any of the changes fighting his battles for him.

 

P.S - You have not commented on my post about pre-season tours yet, where I linked to a thread I started in January asking where it was going to be, as I wanted to book flights.

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well, at the end of the day...it is a product stu...

people did not like that product when lowe was here at the end and decided to stay away

 

over 50k people loved the product when it came around to wembley and went...?

 

why else do you get varying attendnaces through a season..? as the product on offer differs..

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it is all a matter of choice though steve...

did we all get to see what the new site would look like..? did we all get to have a say..? after all, you rely on our money right..?

 

after a pretty much common view that this site looks worse, it was "it is not a democracy"....

and no, there are no real other sites for fans as you know this has a very large loyal base....

 

unless you think that those who pay..can just "go else where."...?

or are you assuming that we all will just pay up regardless..?

 

It`s not a common view. As is usual, it is the few people who don`t like it, for whatever reason, who have made the most noise. I suspect the vast majority, like myself, who are not worried one way or the other, have kept fairly silent on the matter. Look at the people whio are banging on about Cortese - the same vociferous handful, yet reading this forum, you would think that there that there was out and out rebellion! How many subscribers - how many complaints?

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well, at the end of the day...it is a product stu...

people did not like that product when lowe was here at the end and decided to stay away

 

over 50k people loved the product when it came around to wembley and went...?

 

why else do you get varying attendnaces through a season..? as the product on offer differs..

 

It doesn't work if you market it as a product, that's why no other club in the country/world probably, markets Season Tickets in this way.

 

It's a membership, not a product.

 

You could argue that matchday tickets are a product, as you are buying for one individual event and will justify the costs on a match by match basis. ( Which is why there will be less than 14k there for Daggers at home in November ), season tickets aren't.

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It doesn't work if you market it as a product, that's why no other club in the country/world probably, markets Season Tickets in this way.

 

It's a membership, not a product.

 

You could argue that matchday tickets are a product, as you are buying for one individual event and will justify the costs on a match by match basis. ( Which is why there will be less than 14k there for Daggers at home in November ), season tickets aren't.

 

yes....the only way we will find out of this has worked is if....

 

A) the club make more money this season through HOME gate receipts..

B) (maybe) the number of home fans in total that go through SMS increases...

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exactly..no one really wants to pay through the nose for a team that loses every week....not value for money really

 

You don't pay through the nose, you only attend a handful of home games each season, so what exactly is your beef? Do you want to sit at home on your laptop and everyone there supporting the club to pay as much as possible so you can take satisfaction when seeing the League table in the News of the World on a Sunday morning in your Plymouth Bedsit?

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it is all a matter of choice though steve...

Yes, and you have a number of choices. You have chosen to remain here and indeed to pay for the extra benefits that entails.

 

did we all get to see what the new site would look like..?

No, I handpicked 20 or 30 people to have a play around with it in a development environment in the two weeks before it went live. Sorry I didn't pick you, sadly I just don't value your opinion. You may have guessed by now. As a note for others who didn't get picked, sorry also. Chances are I do value your opinion, but I only wanted a relatively small number of people to do the testing.

 

did we all get to have a say..?

No. Do all customers of all businesses get to have a say in how they're run? If so, what's the point in having people run it? Let's run Tesco by asking every customer to tell them how to conduct their business - you'd get 5 million different opinions. I've been either a moderator or an admin of this forum and its predecessors for nearly 7 years, I like to think that experience has taught me a lot about how a forum works well. My main job (i.e. what I probably should be doing right now rather than responding to you) also helps here, as it involves designing, developing and maintaining websites. Again, the experience and knowledge gained as taught me a lot about what makes a website work for the business it is intended for. As a result, I trust my own judgement, and that of Baj, who is in the same industry, to make the right calls on how the site works.

 

after a pretty much common view that this site looks worse, it was "it is not a democracy"....

How can you say it was a "common view" when 20-25 people said they didn't like it (although some also added the caveat of "I'm sure it'll grow on me") out of about 3500 active users? :uhoh:

 

and no, there are no real other sites for fans as you know this has a very large loyal base....

There are plenty of other sites, they just don't have as many users on them. Why do you think that might be?

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yes....the only way we will find out of this has worked is if....

 

A) the club make more money this season through HOME gate receipts..

B) (maybe) the number of home fans in total that go through SMS increases...

 

The numbers should increase, we are almost certainly going to be more succesful this season than last, so that won't equate as a success.

 

And anyway, you don't go to games, so you think stinging everyone else but you is a sign of success?

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You don't pay through the nose, you only attend a handful of home games each season, so what exactly is your beef? Do you want to sit at home on your laptop and everyone there supporting the club to pay as much as possible so you can take satisfaction when seeing the League table in the News of the World on a Sunday morning in your Plymouth Bedsit?

 

what is your beef stu....I am probably right in guessing that you have exactlu ZERO experience and expertise in running (not working for) a multi million pound busniess that is answerable to the multi billionaire...?

 

so why you commenting..?

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what is your beef stu....I am probably right in guessing that you have exactlu ZERO experience and expertise in running (not working for) a multi million pound busniess that is answerable to the multi billionaire...?

 

so why you commenting..?

 

I have a vast amount of experience in membership sales / digital and print advertising and marketing actually. So I am a bit more qualified than you to comment on the subject.

 

You still have not responded to the link I posted in January about pre-season tours.

 

 

Hands up if you were wrong?

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I have a vast amount of experience in membership sales / digital and print advertising and marketing actually. So I am a bit more qualified than you to comment on the subject.

 

You still have not responded to the link I posted in January about pre-season tours.

 

 

Hands up if you were wrong?

 

LOL

 

and this qualifies you exactly how on the inner dealings of a multi million pound business...

 

lol

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Yes, and you have a number of choices. You have chosen to remain here and indeed to pay for the extra benefits that entails.

 

 

No, I handpicked 20 or 30 people to have a play around with it in a development environment in the two weeks before it went live. Sorry I didn't pick you, sadly I just don't value your opinion. You may have guessed by now. As a note for others who didn't get picked, sorry also. Chances are I do value your opinion, but I only wanted a relatively small number of people to do the testing.

 

 

No. Do all customers of all businesses get to have a say in how they're run? If so, what's the point in having people run it? Let's run Tesco by asking every customer to tell them how to conduct their business - you'd get 5 million different opinions. I've been either a moderator or an admin of this forum and its predecessors for nearly 7 years, I like to think that experience has taught me a lot about how a forum works well. My main job (i.e. what I probably should be doing right now rather than responding to you) also helps here, as it involves designing, developing and maintaining websites. Again, the experience and knowledge gained as taught me a lot about what makes a website work for the business it is intended for. As a result, I trust my own judgement, and that of Baj, who is in the same industry, to make the right calls on how the site works.

 

 

How can you say it was a "common view" when 20-25 people said they didn't like it (although some also added the caveat of "I'm sure it'll grow on me") out of about 3500 active users? :uhoh:

 

 

There are plenty of other sites, they just don't have as many users on them. Why do you think that might be?

 

The point is not whether everybody agrees with every decision you make. It is that you have a job to do, to run this forum in the best way you can to make it as popular as you can to the most people whilst covering costs, and god forbid, making a little extra for future developments. Cortese is doing the same job. Its a cop out to say that a football club is different therefore he should take all views into account at all times whereas your customers can **** off if they dont like it. Thats the double standards.

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LOL

 

and this qualifies you exactly how on the inner dealings of a multi million pound business...

 

lol

 

It means I am alot more qualified than you to comment on the subject Dulldays. I would never claim to know more about you than Subs, are you saying you know more about me than Sales?

 

Still ignoring my link I posted showing me talking about pre-season tour in January I see.

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It means I am alot more qualified than you to comment on the subject Dulldays. I would never claim to know more about you than Subs, are you saying you know more about me than Sales?

 

Still ignoring my link I posted showing me talking about pre-season tour in January I see.

 

stu, I thought you were all for constructive replies...so please do so..

 

please, tell us all (in detail) your level of expertise etc and why we should even remotely take your opinion seriously...?

(remember to reply constructively)..

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It means I am alot more qualified than you to comment on the subject Dulldays. I would never claim to know more about you than Subs, are you saying you know more about me than Sales?

 

Still ignoring my link I posted showing me talking about pre-season tour in January I see.

 

Lol.Thats your whole problem Stu. You think a series of undistinguished, short held jobs in telesales equips you to advise on how a football club should be run.

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stu, I thought you were all for constructive replies...so please do so..

 

please, tell us all (in detail) your level of expertise etc and why we should even remotely take your opinion seriously...?

(remember to reply constructively)..

 

Yes, because that is what I will, spill out my whole CV onto a football forum. If anything I have said on there doesn't sound right, question me about it and I will give you some proof, if I can, or at least break it down further so you understand.

 

Still ignoring my link I posted showing me talking about pre-season tour in January I see. ( which is making you look like the troll that you are )

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Lol.Thats your whole problem Stu. You think a series of undistinguished, short held jobs in telesales equips you to advise on how a football club should be run.

 

Pick some holes in what I am saying then Timmy?

 

What have I said that is wrong? What doesn't stack up? What do you need me to explain further.

 

If I am wrong, how's about telling me how I am wrong?

 

P.S - I have never worked in telesales xxx

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So now people are moaning about paying to park? Just park for free and walk in. Not exactly hard is it.

 

 

It's the elderly and those with serious illnesses that it is going to effect that are concerned on this thread. I would suggest that the vast majority of us do park for free and walk in but it's that walk that may not be viable for some.

 

There are free/cheap alternatives close to SMS and in my car parking bill was going up by 53% then I'm sure that I would be using those alternatives regardless.

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It's the elderly and those with serious illnesses that it is going to effect that are concerned on this thread.

 

There are alternatives though. Park by the bridge over in Woolston for free, and get the bus for a quid straight to SMS. Bit more walking going back, as you'd need to walk to the bridge, but some of the SFC car parks are that far away anyway. Park somewhere for free and get a taxi? I wouldn't want people to stop going to matches because of this.

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So now people are moaning about paying to park? Just park for free and walk in. Not exactly hard is it.

It is not about paying to park, I have always done that. It was a comment about the amount of increase in the price and the fact that you are getting less for it. How about actually reading the thread before commenting? Not exactly hard is it? Meh.....

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There are alternatives though. Park by the bridge over in Woolston for free, and get the bus for a quid straight to SMS. Bit more walking going back, as you'd need to walk to the bridge, but some of the SFC car parks are that far away anyway. Park somewhere for free and get a taxi? I wouldn't want people to stop going to matches because of this.

 

I don't disagree as I do the Woolston bit myself. There is the city council carpark by the hovercraft slip, SMS side, which cost about £3 and is only another 200m from the club carparks.

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I always park by the Alex, sort of behind london rd...a couple of quid for duration I need to be there and £15 mins walk to the ground...

 

£15 minimum for a walk to the ground? Is that another Cortese charge?

 

P.S - You still havent commented about my thread in January where I stated I was going to go on the pre-season tour.

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£15 minimum for a walk to the ground? Is that another Cortese charge?

 

P.S - You still havent commented about my thread in January where I stated I was going to go on the pre-season tour.

and you have not given us any clues/examples of your extensive expertise in running a multi million pound busniess..

 

at the end of the day, i cannot be arsed to go for tit-for-tat point scoring....so dull

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It's the elderly and those with serious illnesses that it is going to effect that are concerned on this thread. I would suggest that the vast majority of us do park for free and walk in but it's that walk that may not be viable for some.

 

There are free/cheap alternatives close to SMS and in my car parking bill was going up by 53% then I'm sure that I would be using those alternatives regardless.

 

If people are too infirm to walk too far they can always get a disabled badge from their doctor, my dad has one (in his 80's and a bit iffy on his pins but not disabled as such), you can park pretty much anywhere then, within reason.

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and you have not given us any clues/examples of your extensive expertise in running a multi million pound busniess..

 

at the end of the day, i cannot be arsed to go for tit-for-tat point scoring....so dull

 

I am currently working on the setup and implementation of a sales and marketing strategy for a blue-chip company, as they expand their business into a new Industry sector. I have also been involved previously in the setup of various sales channels for another multi-million pound business ( on a more junior level though ) dealing with print and digital advertising specifically. Lastly, I was a membership sales manager for a well known gymnasium in the Southampton area, tasked with creating sales initiatives to drive sales and bring people into the club,through outreach / corporate events and advertising etc.

 

Is that enough for you?

 

Now... come on, be the man, you told me I was talking complete and utter b*llocks about wanting to go on the pre-season tour. Are you man enough to admit you got it wrong?

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I am currently working on the setup and implementation of a sales and marketing strategy for a blue-chip company, as they expand their business into a new Industry sector. I have also been involved previously in the setup of various sales channels for another multi-million pound business ( on a more junior level though ) dealing with print and digital advertising specifically. Lastly, I was a membership sales manager for a well known gymnasium in the Southampton area, tasked with creating sales initiatives to drive sales and bring people into the club,through outreach / corporate events and advertising etc.

 

:lol:

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David Brent[/b];769204]I am currently working on the setup and implementation of a sales and marketing strategy for a blue-chip company, as they expand their business into a new Industry sector. I have also been involved previously in the setup of various sales channels for another multi-million pound business ( on a more junior level though ) dealing with print and digital advertising specifically. Lastly, I was a membership sales manager for a well known gymnasium in the Southampton area, tasked with creating sales initiatives to drive sales and bring people into the club,through outreach / corporate events and advertising etc.

 

Is that enough for you?

 

 

Now... come on, be the man, you told me I was talking complete and utter b*llocks about wanting to go on the pre-season tour. Are you man enough to admit you got it wrong?

 

There. Altered it for you.

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b) Had budgeted to use the installment plan, the the deliberate delaying and removal means I and many of my friend now can't afford a season ticket.

 

 

So when you previously said that paying £400 in one hit was nothing to you and wouldn't affect you renewing you were lying?

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