Labours Incapacity Slobs In The Firing Line

[Saint George]

ahh i get it ...they're soooo incapacitated that they can't work, not even sat at a desk or at the end of a phone.......but are more than capable to go out stealing, mugging, pimping etc

 

kinda confirms my point dontcha think?......You sum up life in the Nanny State really well.

[Jonnyboy]

ahh i get it ...they're soooo incapacitated that they can't work, not even sat at a desk or at the end of a phone.......but are more than capable to go out stealing, mugging, pimping etc

 

kinda confirms my point dontcha think?......You sum up life in the Nanny State really well.

 

youve never even been here

[aintforever]

youve never even been here

 

He's got a point though.

 

I've never pimped before but I bet it's harder work than flipping burgers at McDs. Same goes for theiving and mugging, you would have to be in pretty good shape.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

He's got a point though.

 

I've never pimped before but I bet it's harder work than flipping burgers at McDs. Same goes for theiving and mugging, you would have to be in pretty good shape.

 

That is why in this scenario the minimum wage should be higher, to stop people choosing a life of benefits/crime over getting a job!!

[Jonnyboy]

He's got a point though.

 

I've never pimped before but I bet it's harder work than flipping burgers at McDs. Same goes for theiving and mugging, you would have to be in pretty good shape.

 

LOL well I accept that point but I was really refering to Unemployment/housing benefit, which doesnt exist in many countries (as i bellieve St George would prefer), if there are no JOBS then people gotta eat somehow

 

And yes Id agree Pimping is hard work and actually the complete opposite of the "Nanny State"

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Depression - what is the point of getting IB and then staying at home all day? What these people need to do is get a job and get out into the world rather than mope around the house all day.

 

As somone with a relative who has Bi-Polar, I find that extremely offensive. Perhaps you should take a visit to the instituion she is in and then tell me they should stop 'mopeing around the house all day'. Also, for those on the uber-right, her health care is not funded by the NHS, it is funded by family.

[solentstars]

The British monarchy is an anachronism and hard to justify intellectually. Reality is though it works pretty well. Id rather have a monarch who is brought up from birth to do the best for the country, than just another elected politican who is brought up to do the best for themselves and their party.

 

i think it only works at the moment because of our present queen who is liked and respected, but then you get the likes of prince charles who interferes on building projects not to his likeing ,which he should keep nose out of it and their is no reason we could elect a non party president

[Jonnyboy]

As somone with a relative who has Bi-Polar, I find that extremely offensive. Perhaps you should take a visit to the instituion she is in and then tell me they should stop 'mopeing around the house all day'. Also, for those on the uber-right, her health care is not funded by the NHS, it is funded by family.

 

yes there really are some ignorant c*nts posting on this thread

[solentstars]

As somone with a relative who has Bi-Polar, I find that extremely offensive. Perhaps you should take a visit to the instituion she is in and then tell me they should stop 'mopeing around the house all day'. Also, for those on the uber-right, her health care is not funded by the NHS, it is funded by family.

 

to be fair on a thread like this you will get alot of bigoted opinions who think they are doctors who do not understand depression which is a terrible illness and tar the shirkers with the genuine ill..

[View From The Top]

I think we should all remember St George believes that the President of the USA is a commie and that he was convinced that he wouldn't be elected as he really wasn't born in the US.

 

Says it all really.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

As somone with a relative who has Bi-Polar, I find that extremely offensive. Perhaps you should take a visit to the instituion she is in and then tell me they should stop 'mopeing around the house all day'. Also, for those on the uber-right, her health care is not funded by the NHS, it is funded by family.

 

Well said. There is alot of ignorance of mental health as usual on here.

[angelman]

to be fair on a thread like this you will get alot of bigoted opinions who think they are doctors who do not understand depression which is a terrible illness and tar the shirkers with the genuine ill..

 

if Thorpe had bothered to quote the last bit then he shouldn't be offended, although to be fair to you solentstars, you do say what I said. Which was that (using the example of headaches) that there were sure to be bona fide examples which get sullied by those that have bogus "claims".

[EastleighSoulBoy]

As somone with a relative who has Bi-Polar, I find that extremely offensive. Perhaps you should take a visit to the instituion she is in and then tell me they should stop 'mopeing around the house all day'. Also, for those on the uber-right, her health care is not funded by the NHS, it is funded by family.

 

Well said. There is alot of ignorance of mental health as usual on here.

 

We all laugh at what we call someone's 'mental antics' etc but the vast majority of us on here do not have the blight of poor mental health affecting our family or their lives.

 

It's far and deeper reaching than the stereotypical appearance of someone, heavily medicated and spaced out.

[angelman]

Well said. There is alot of ignorance of mental health as usual on here.

I presume that is aimed at me. As someone who has a severely mentally retarded kid, I think that I might know a bit more than some others.

 

We all laugh at what we call someone's 'mental antics' etc but the vast majority of us on here do not have the blight of poor mental health affecting our family or their lives.

 

It's far and deeper reaching than the stereotypical appearance of someone, heavily medicated and spaced out.

 

I suppose that this was aimed at me again. I don't think that "we" all laugh at people's mental antics.

[dune]

It's far and deeper reaching than the stereotypical appearance of someone, heavily medicated and spaced out.

 

It sounds like fun.

 

On a serious note i'm of the opinion that a lot of this manic depressive stuff is overplayed. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? I've got a relative that goes in for all this depression stuff and my advice to him was to stop feeling all "oh woe is me" and pull yourself together.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

We all laugh at what we call someone's 'mental antics' etc but the vast majority of us on here do not have the blight of poor mental health affecting our family or their lives.

 

It's far and deeper reaching than the stereotypical appearance of someone, heavily medicated and spaced out.

 

 

 

I suppose that this was aimed at me again. I don't think that "we" all laugh at people's mental antics.

 

Not aimed at you.

 

To clarify:

 

We, a generalism, sing 'Let's go ****in' mental' at matches.

 

We, a generalism, use the term mental as in 'That gig was mental'

 

We, a generalism, use the term 'So and so went mental when they found out'

 

I, specifically, have used those same terms many times over the years.

 

So it can devalue some people's perceptions of Mental ill health and causes even less understanding, or a willingness to try and understand and accept.

 

If you feel I aimed it at you then you are wrong.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

It sounds like fun.

 

On a serious note i'm of the opinion that a lot of this manic depressive stuff is overplayed. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? I've got a relative that goes in for all this depression stuff and my advice to him was to stop feeling all "oh woe is me" and pull yourself together.

 

Let's hope that if you are unfortunate enough have a mental health problem you will find people with a tad more compassion than you indicate here. It would be sad that you are so unwell that you cannot 'pull yourself together'.

[angelman]

ESB - apologies - misunderstood your point about the flippant use of the word. It hasn't quite got to the stage that the word "spastic" got to, but yes you are right, especially more so with the word "retard(ed)" than "mental", and there the use is in a much more derogatory manner (which was the problem that "spastic" came across).

[EastleighSoulBoy]

ESB - apologies - misunderstood your point about the flippant use of the word. It hasn't quite got to the stage that the word "spastic" got to, but yes you are right, especially more so with the word "retard(ed)" than "mental", and there the use is in a much more derogatory manner (which was the problem that "spastic" came across).

 

Thank you, and you did get my point, I just had to reread it myself!

 

I have experienced someone close with mental problems. It's debilitating and killed a relationship which I had. The repercussions may well never go away as my child had to be taken from the mother for their safety. As I was not present to register the birth I lost all my parental rights. Luckily I get contact letters/pictures on a yearly basis via my child's wonderful, adoptive, parents and the Adoption Agency.

[derry]

He had a knee operation some years ago and got the deal sorted than. He has no touble walking for four hours playing golf just can't walk 20yds to an ordinary parking space. Last week his electric trolley broke down so he just pulled a manual one around. His brother told him it was outrageous his response was that he had a badge so he could use it. Just lies to the Doctor etc so he can renew it.

[boxosponge]

It sounds like fun.

 

my advice was to stop feeling all "oh woe is me" and pull yourself together

 

Good advice for so many on this board really

[boxosponge]

Is it of interest that DWP are in the process of arranging medical examinations for a million and a half Incapacity Benefit recipients?

 

Lots of new jobs

[CB Saint]

It sounds like fun.

 

On a serious note i'm of the opinion that a lot of this manic depressive stuff is overplayed. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? I've got a relative that goes in for all this depression stuff and my advice to him was to stop feeling all "oh woe is me" and pull yourself together.

 

You really are a chopper sometimes.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

It sounds like fun.

 

On a serious note i'm of the opinion that a lot of this manic depressive stuff is overplayed. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? I've got a relative that goes in for all this depression stuff and my advice to him was to stop feeling all "oh woe is me" and pull yourself together.

 

It's idiocy such as this that makes the discussion of mental health in this country a 'taboo' subject and makes people feel ashamed of something they have no control over. We are not in the Victorians period, grow up!

[dune]

It's idiocy such as this that makes the discussion of mental health in this country a 'taboo' subject and makes people feel ashamed of something they have no control over. We are not in the Victorians period, grow up!

 

Give over, all this ME (yuppie flu) is all self inflicted. I have sympathy but ultimately the sufferer needs to get a grip and sort themselves out.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Give over, all this ME (yuppie flu) is all self inflicted. I have sympathy but ultimately the sufferer needs to get a grip and sort themselves out.

 

I'll leave you alone with your warped views. M.E is NOT 'Yuppie Flu' and people who sufer from it certainly don't bring it on themselves, but who am I to argue with your 1880 attitude?

[angelman]

Dune, just because a lot of bogus claimants say that they have ME, doesn't mean those that do genuinely have it aren't incapacitated by it. The problem with ME is that you largely have to take the word of the patient as "..there are no characteristic laboratory abnormalities" and therefore this leaves it wide open to abuse. Just like dodgy insurance claims for whiplash - you can't prove it in a lab.

[dune]

I'll leave you alone with your warped views. M.E is NOT 'Yuppie Flu' and people who sufer from it certainly don't bring it on themselves, but who am I to argue with your 1880 attitude?

 

I'm right though. Lot's of people get ****ed off with their jobs, but you've got to learn to just get on with it or find a new job. My experience of manic depressives in the workplace is that they get stressed for no reason.

[badgerx16]

I'm right though. Lot's of people get ****ed off with their jobs, but you've got to learn to just get on with it or find a new job. My experience of manic depressives in the workplace is that they get stressed for no reason.

No, they get stressed because of a bio-chemical imbalance in their brain.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

No, they get stressed because of a bio-chemical imbalance in their brain.

 

Sssshhhh don't let fact get in the way of dogma! I wonder how dune feels about people who suffer from post traumatic stress? Should they shut up and get on with it dune?

[dune]

Sssshhhh don't let fact get in the way of dogma! I wonder how dune feels about people who suffer from post traumatic stress? Should they shut up and get on with it dune?

 

That's different.

[badgerx16]

From the Royal College of Psychiatrists :

 

http://www.rcpsych.ac.uk/mentalhealthinfo/problems/bipolardisorder/bipolardisorder.aspx

 

How common is bipolar disorder?

 

About 1 in every 100 adults has bipolar disorder at some point in their life. It usually starts during or after the teenage years. It is unusual for it to start after the age of 40. Men and women are affected equally.

 

What types are there?

 

Bipolar I

There has been at least one high, or manic episode, which has lasted for longer than one week.

Some people with Bipolar I will have only manic episodes, although most will also have periods of depression.

Untreated, manic episodes generally last 3 to 6 months. Depressive episodes last rather longer - 6 to 12 months without treatment.

 

Bipolar II

There has been more than one episode of severe depression, but only mild manic episodes – these are called ‘hypomania’.

 

Rapid cycling

More than four mood swings happen in a 12 month period. This affects around 1 in 10 people with bipolar disorder, and can happen with both types I and II.

 

Cyclothymia

The mood swings are not as severe as those in full bipolar disorder, but can be longer. This can develop into full bipolar disorder.

What causes bipolar disorder?

 

We don't understand this well, but research suggests that:

 

• Bipolar disorder runs in families - it seems to have more to do with genes than with upbringing.
  
• There may be a physical problem with the brain systems which control our moods - this is why bipolar disorder can often be controlled with medication.
  
• Episodes can sometimes be brought on by stressful experiences or physical illness.
  

[EastleighSoulBoy]

That's different.

 

Selective empathy then Stanley?

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

That's different.

 

Come on then, enlighten us...

 

Both are metal health issues, they should be treated with the same amount of respect, or in your case, lack of it!

[dune]

Come on then, enlighten us...

 

Both are metal health issues, they should be treated with the same amount of respect, or in your case, lack of it!

 

One is a real issue, the other is just being soppy. Those who have witnessed trauma will naturally suffer flashbacks and will be scarred for life, but yuppy flu is just an excuse used for not being up to the job.

[badgerx16]

Give over, all this ME (yuppie flu) is all self inflicted. I have sympathy but ultimately the sufferer needs to get a grip and sort themselves out.

 

I'm right though. Lot's of people get ****ed off with their jobs, but you've got to learn to just get on with it or find a new job. My experience of manic depressives in the workplace is that they get stressed for no reason.

You are aware that M.E. and M.D. are different things ?

[JackFrost]

Give over, all this ME (yuppie flu) is all self inflicted. I have sympathy but ultimately the sufferer needs to get a grip and sort themselves out.

 

If the sufferers and their GPs knew how to the vast majority of them would.

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

One is a real issue, the other is just being soppy. Those who have witnessed trauma will naturally suffer flashbacks and will be scarred for life, but yuppy flu is just an excuse used for not being up to the job.

 

You are so wrong dune, however I will admit, I did once (when I was about 14!!) hold the same attitude towards people with manic depression that you do now and it wasn't until I started talking to the person in question who had the illness that I realised just how wrong I was about it. You have a choice: Continue with your beliefs or go out there and look at the facts in order to become a more rounded human being and have a better understanding of these issues. I just hope that you never suffer, directly or indirectly, as a result of a mental illness.

[badgerx16]

You are so wrong dune,....... I just hope that you never suffer, directly or indirectly, as a result of a mental illness.

He suffers from delusions.....

[EastleighSoulBoy]

You are so wrong dune, however I will admit, I did once (when I was about 14!!) hold the same attitude towards people with manic depression that you do now and it wasn't until I started talking to the person in question who had the illness that I realised just how wrong I was about it. You have a choice: Continue with your beliefs or go out there and look at the facts in order to become a more rounded human being and have a better understanding of these issues. I just hope that you never suffer, directly or indirectly, as a result of a mental illness.

 

Dune would probably not countenance talking to someone with poor mental health as he is scared he will catch it.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

He suffers from delusions.....

 

..........of grandeur.

 

He is not a nice person.

[dune]

Dune would probably not countenance talking to someone with poor mental health as he is scared he will catch it.

 

I've met and councilled people with depression and i'm sure they've appreciated my upbeat advice. They don't need sympathy, they need good advice, and my advice is always to remember you're British and don't be so soft.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I've met and councilled people with depression and i'm sure they've appreciated my upbeat advice. They don't need sympathy, they need good advice, and my advice is always to remember you're British and don't be so soft.

 

There are more facets to mental health issues than M.E. only and the true cases are not solved by telling someone to remember that they are British and to pull themselves together.

 

What do you propose we do for these poor souls if they can't 'pull themselves together'?

 

http://hubpages.com/hub/Mental-and-Disabled-Victims-Of-The-Nazis

 

No surprises there, you knew this was coming.

[Fowllyd]

I've met and councilled people with depression and i'm sure they've appreciated my upbeat advice. They don't need sympathy, they need good advice, and my advice is always to remember you're British and don't be so soft.

 

You really are the new Scooby, aren't you? OK, so you're not at his level yet, though you do clearly model yourself on him. Give it time and practice, though, and you may one day come somewhere near to his mastery of comic trolling.

 

In addition to the endearingly idiotic views you purport to espouse, I particularly enjoy your deliberate misuse of certain words and phrases - 'council' in this post, others such as 'in lieu of' quite regularly. Don't rest on your laurels though - you'll need to think up the occasional new malapropism to keep us entertained.

[angelman]

Fowllyd - malapropism - I like it. Are you a sesquipedalian?

[dune]

You really are the new Scooby, aren't you? OK, so you're not at his level yet, though you do clearly model yourself on him. Give it time and practice, though, and you may one day come somewhere near to his mastery of comic trolling.

 

In addition to the endearingly idiotic views you purport to espouse, I particularly enjoy your deliberate misuse of certain words and phrases - 'council' in this post, others such as 'in lieu of' quite regularly. Don't rest on your laurels though - you'll need to think up the occasional new malapropism to keep us entertained.

 

You think i'm joking?

 

Oh well, that's your choice.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

It sounds like fun.

 

On a serious note i'm of the opinion that a lot of this manic depressive stuff is overplayed. What happened to the British stiff upper lip? I've got a relative that goes in for all this depression stuff and my advice to him was to stop feeling all "oh woe is me" and pull yourself together.

 

 

I really should not bite, as it's what the sad WUM gets off on but why is this ignorant offensive thick t-w-a-t allowed to post on here?

[solentstars]

I've met and councilled people with depression and i'm sure they've appreciated my upbeat advice. They don't need sympathy, they need good advice, and my advice is always to remember you're British and don't be so soft.

 

what a sad pathetic post are you really stuck in the 1950,s , but i suppose you always seem to try to wind people up with mindless comments and come across has a bit of a loner,

[solentstars]

I really should not bite, as it's what the sad WUM gets off on but why is this ignorant offensive thick t-w-a-t allowed to post on here?

 

so we can all laugh at his weird ideas and his ideas for a master race composed of dune clones, the type of person the tories are trying to get rid off:lol:

[LGTL]

Stanley is quite clearly a troll, hoping his warped view of life gets him attention. This is backed up by all this "Great British stiff upper lip" nonsense.