Penalty

[paulwantsapint]

Why cant Saints score from 12 yards?

 

Yes drew did score with his 1st but missed the 2nd,

last season Euell Stern & Rasiak (tried to) all missed Quassie has also missed since relegation

 

Correct if wrong but only missed 2 all the time in prem (not counting any pen shoot outs) not to sure if any were missed before

 

So Why cant MLT 48 out of 49 give training sessions (free of charge) to the team on how to take a pen

 

Also did we use to get more pens when MLT played?

[Saint Matty 76]

I wonder if there was a thread about this when MLT missed against Notts Forest, penalties can be missed or scored, you can be a hero or a loser, that's football.

[70's Mike]

Why cant Saints score from 12 yards?

 

Yes drew did score with his 1st but missed the 2nd,

last season Euell Stern & Rasiak (tried to) all missed Quassie has also missed since relegation

 

Correct if wrong but only missed 2 all the time in prem (not counting any pen shoot outs) not to sure if any were missed before

 

So Why cant MLT 48 out of 49 give training sessions (free of charge) to the team on how to take a pen

 

Also did we use to get more pens when MLT played?

 

not convinced you can coach penalty taking, .

i can remember Keegan, Channon and Ball all missing penalties

 

MLT and Dave Peach just had the knack

[Leicestersaint]

A professional footballer should not miss from the penalty spot.MLT is allowed one miss in 49 - scoring around 98 % is acceptable. But do Saints still score 98 % of their penalties? Not today - we missed 50 % of them!

[70's Mike]

A professional footballer should not miss from the penalty spot.MLT is allowed one miss in 49 - scoring around 98 % is acceptable. But do Saints still score 98 % of their penalties? Not today - we missed 50 % of them!

 

 

Tell John Terry that, and they do not come much more professional than him.

Takes Bottle and Confidence.

[Professor]

The failing today was Surman taking the second penalty, giving the goalkeeper the advantage of having seen him take the first. You should give no advantages to the opposition, so the kick should not have been taken by the same player. According to Cope and Armstrong on Radio Hampshire, Surman wrested the ball away from DMG to take the kick. This should be decided before the game, or the decision should be made by the captain (who doesn't have much else to do in that role, anyway). In principle, two penalties in the same game should always be taken by different players. It mattered today, as we would be one place higher in the table for scoring one more goal.

[buctootim]

A professional footballer should not miss from the penalty spot.MLT is allowed one miss in 49 - scoring around 98 % is acceptable. But do Saints still score 98 % of their penalties? Not today - we missed 50 % of them!

 

Of course some penalties will be missed - the average is around 10% I think. Penalties are an attempt to give back the scoring chance that existed before the penalty foul. If every penalty lead to a goal there'd be no point in having them and FIFA would have a rule about awarding a goal instead.

[Englesaint]

Of course some penalties will be missed - the average is around 10% I think. Penalties are an attempt to give back the scoring chance that existed before the penalty foul. If every penalty lead to a goal there'd be no point in having them and FIFA would have a rule about awarding a goal instead.

 

Spot on. (sorry !)

 

The pen is there to give back the chance. A good goalkeeper may well save any number of pens, in the same way as he may well save any number of the original chances.

[VectisSaint]

Vignal knew how to take pens, and was a half decent LB as well (at least he improved during the year). Why we let him go I'll never know.

[Englesaint]

The failing today was Surman taking the second penalty, giving the goalkeeper the advantage of having seen him take the first. You should give no advantages to the opposition, so the kick should not have been taken by the same player. According to Cope and Armstrong on Radio Hampshire, Surman wrested the ball away from DMG to take the kick. This should be decided before the game, or the decision should be made by the captain (who doesn't have much else to do in that role, anyway). In principle, two penalties in the same game should always be taken by different players. It mattered today, as we would be one place higher in the table for scoring one more goal.

 

Prof. Why can't a player take two penalties? There's often little similarity between the way a player takes them.

 

If Le Tiss had scored one in a game, would you honestly suggest he didn't take the second? I'd be rushing to give him (or those of his ilk) the ball to be honest.

 

Assume Drew's wrestling was for the second one?

[Mr Saints]

I thought Wotton would have been up for it, being captain and with a great record for Plymouth from set pieces.

[St Landrew]

During the Premiership years, it was Le Tiss, and latterly James Beattie who took nearly all the penalties. Beatts was an excellent penalty taker because... guess what..? Matty gave him lessons.

 

Surely there's a lesson to be learned in that..!

[saintwarwick]

Vignal knew how to take pens, and was a half decent LB as well (at least he improved during the year). Why we let him go I'll never know.

 

He was on loan and returned to his club after the loaned expired. Was a decent LB though as you say and took a decent penalty.

[Rasiak-9-]

The failing today was Surman taking the second penalty, giving the goalkeeper the advantage of having seen him take the first. You should give no advantages to the opposition, so the kick should not have been taken by the same player. According to Cope and Armstrong on Radio Hampshire, Surman wrested the ball away from DMG to take the kick. This should be decided before the game, or the decision should be made by the captain (who doesn't have much else to do in that role, anyway). In principle, two penalties in the same game should always be taken by different players. It mattered today, as we would be one place higher in the table for scoring one more goal.

 

BUT

 

1) Nothing gives you more confidence from 12 yards like having just scored one in the game already.

 

2) The one who takes the first is quite simply going to be the better pen taker.

 

Swings and roundabouts dude.

[Dannyboy_Saint]

It wasnt as if he ballooned it over the bar. The keeper guessed the right way and saved a powerful shot into the bottom corner. Like Surman said on the OS its a game of bluff. "Does he think i'll go the same way again? And if so i should put it in the other corner? Or is that what he expects me to do and so shouldnt i put it into the same corner?" I have no qualms with players missing penalties if the keeper saves it by good luck or judgement, only if they manage to miss the entire goal from 12 yards, which from a proffessional footballer is unforgivable.

[Arizona]

Beattie and Pahars both had perfect records since MLT retired, they used to alternate between who took them. Rasiak (if you include rebounds), Kenny, Skacel (1 from 1) and Vignal also had perfect records.

 

Surely we can get MLT in for one day a week to instruct on penalties.

[ottery st mary]

Wotton would always be my choice in the team penalties and in the mix for certain free kicks.

Mind you we should go American and bring MLT on as a kicker..probaly still do the job.

[Mole1]

Was sat behind the goal today. The reason the second penalty didn't go in was because he put it in the same place as the first penalty and the goalkeeper knew where to dive.

[team-saint]

TBF Surman is normally reliable...

 

I am surprised that Wotton didn't take one though considering he is supposedly so good at them

[Saint Fen]

It wasnt as if he ballooned it over the bar. The keeper guessed the right way and saved a powerful shot into the bottom corner. Like Surman said on the OS its a game of bluff. "Does he think i'll go the same way again? And if so i should put it in the other corner? Or is that what he expects me to do and so shouldnt i put it into the same corner?" I have no qualms with players missing penalties if the keeper saves it by good luck or judgement, only if they manage to miss the entire goal from 12 yards, which from a proffessional footballer is unforgivable.

 

I wouldn't have called it a powerfull shot!!

 

The problem is with both Penalties of Drew's if the Keeper guessed the right way he was going to save it, didn't have enough power or direction. The second one was exactly the same as the first but the Keeper went that way the second time.

[Mole1]

I wouldn't have called it a powerfull shot!!

 

The problem is with both Penalties of Drew's if the Keeper guessed the right way he was going to save it, didn't have enough power or direction. The second one was exactly the same as the first but the Keeper went that way the second time.

 

Correct, there was no power in either penalty.

 

I think players a taught to "play safe" now and keep penalties low. I can see this is the most prudent way, but i still like the old fashioned way of hitting it in the top corner. No keeper can ever save them.

[Kadeem Hardison]

TBF, he didn't actually miss the penalty. It was saved.

[Dannyboy_Saint]

Correct, there was no power in either penalty.

 

I think players a taught to "play safe" now and keep penalties low. I can see this is the most prudent way, but i still like the old fashioned way of hitting it in the top corner. No keeper can ever save them.

 

Ah the old Shearer "Hit as hard as you can and hope it breaks the keepers arms even if he does get a hand to it approach"

[paulwantsapint]

Saints as a team should decide who takes pens

 

In the prem it was always MLT when playing

Magilton if no MLT

Doddsey was next as captain

Beattie & Pahars must of had pre match plan drawn up

 

MLT was LE GOD himself, Magilton was captain as were Doddsey & at times Beattie so nobody could argue as there was a peckng order

[VectisSaint]

He was on loan and returned to his club after the loaned expired. Was a decent LB though as you say and took a decent penalty.

I know he was on loan, as was Perry, but we converted his loan into a permanent signing. I was wondering why we didn't do the same with Greg who was turning into a decent LB, at least at this level, and would have fitted in from the age point of view. I can only surmise his wages were too high.

[trousers]

Why cant Saints score from 12 yards?

 

Yes drew did score with his 1st but missed the 2nd,

last season Euell Stern & Rasiak (tried to) all missed Quassie has also missed since relegation

 

Correct if wrong but only missed 2 all the time in prem (not counting any pen shoot outs) not to sure if any were missed before

 

So Why cant MLT 48 out of 49 give training sessions (free of charge) to the team on how to take a pen

 

Also did we use to get more pens when MLT played?

 

I believe MLT is currently registered as a Saints player (a formaility required for the Lundekvam testimonial, or so people said on here at the time....?)

 

As such, I would have MLT on the subs bench every game and brought on every time we have a penalty, or for the last 10 minutes of every game, whichever comes sooner. (The slight flaw in this master plan being that he would have to be re-substituted again if said penalty came too early in the game for him to last the rest of the match - but apart from that it's a masterstroke of an idea....IMHO of course.)

 

It could be the difference between relagtion and survival at the end of the season.

 

Or I could be talking bullocks, for once....

 

[smithy]

Why cant Saints score from 12 yards?

 

Yes drew did score with his 1st but missed the 2nd,

last season Euell Stern & Rasiak (tried to) all missed Quassie has also missed since relegation

 

Correct if wrong but only missed 2 all the time in prem (not counting any pen shoot outs) not to sure if any were missed before

 

So Why cant MLT 48 out of 49 give training sessions (free of charge) to the team on how to take a pen

 

Also did we use to get more pens when MLT played?

 

I thought it was 49 out of 50?

[forever a red and white]

training technique is fine but mentality also plays a huge part, you can;t train players for that pressure

[eelpie]

Drew did well to take on the responsibility of penalty taker.

 

But why do we not have a striker capable of doing the job?

 

I hope our end of season fate is not dependent on penalties

[Arizona]

Drew did well to take on the responsibility of penalty taker.

 

But why do we not have a striker capable of doing the job?

 

I hope our end of season fate is not dependent on penalties

 

Surely the possition of the penalty taker is irrelevant?

 

The reason we don't have a striker capable of doing the job is because we've loaned them out.

 

John's effort in our upcoming fixture last season was abysmal and I wouldn't trust BWP is incapable of scoring penalties as they are, essentially, a 1 on 1. DMG lacks experience and composure. Pekhart and Lallana are also a bit young IMO. That's pretty much it.

 

Personally I'd have Skacel take them when he's in the team and Wotton until then.

[saintrich]

If the goalkeeper had dived the wrong way, everyone would be saying what a cool finish it was... at least he got it in target.

[Saint_clark]

The failing today was Surman taking the second penalty, giving the goalkeeper the advantage of having seen him take the first. You should give no advantages to the opposition, so the kick should not have been taken by the same player. According to Cope and Armstrong on Radio Hampshire, Surman wrested the ball away from DMG to take the kick. This should be decided before the game, or the decision should be made by the captain (who doesn't have much else to do in that role, anyway). In principle, two penalties in the same game should always be taken by different players. It mattered today, as we would be one place higher in the table for scoring one more goal.

 

Surman IS the designated penalty taker this season.

[Saint_clark]

Also, people saying John can't take penalties - we've only seen him take one.

[Sheff Saint]

not convinced you can coach penalty taking, .

i can remember Keegan, Channon and Ball all missing penalties

 

MLT and Dave Peach just had the knack

 

I don't think this is true.

 

Look at the Germans, thunderbolts in the top corners everytime. No stopping them.

 

Of course pens can be missed but if you have coaching and practice 100 times a day you're going to have more confidence and ability than someone who hasn't practiced 100 times a day.

 

Surman's pen was too weak on Sat but at least he hit the target. (Hark back to kickers in the play off 2nd leg...)

 

I don't remember Surman wrestling the ball from anyone for either pen.