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AndyNorthernSaints

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Cashley may be a money grabbing, wife-cheating idiot, but he is one of the few world class players in our current squad. Johnson, meh but there are very few other options. Seriously, who else? Neville? Richards? Otsemobor? Jermaine Wright?

 

There are no world class players in the England squad which is one of the reasons England have not played well in the finals of a tournament since 1996 when England beat Holland 4-1. I

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saint_bert

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You have also got to add in players like

 

Smalling- Could develop into a top defender at Man U

 

Gary Cahill

 

Ryan Shawcross

 

Thats 3 potential CB'S

 

If Theo could get a run of games at CF then theres another striker.

 

Plus if anyone comes through.

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AndyNorthernSaints

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Have to say that Cashley (for all his off pitch nonesense) is one of the very, very few 'top class' players available to us; on the showing of this tournament possibly the 'only' top draw player we have? Not saying he played particularly well over the four games but he was terribly exposed in this formation and the complete lack of any discipline from Gerrard in front of him....

 

He is one of the few players in the squad that mixes pace,athleticism and technique, he always looked a threat when he got over halfway, unfortunately due to our abysmal ball retention and completely non-existent midfield he only managed to get forward on very limited occaissions. He also looked fit and determined, much fitter and more determined than most other members of the team.

 

For the record I dislike him as a person as much as the next person but I think anybody that thinks we have a better option at LB really would be throwing out babies and bathwater.

 

Glenn Johnson on the other hand ..... absolutely shocking at RB, and very over-rated as an attacking option.

 

I don't remember Cole getting to the byline once or putting in a cross in the four games i watched. I'd rather have someone who had half a brain and cared a bit more rather than letting players run past him and jogging back slowing when the other side is attacking.

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Thedelldays

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I don't remember Cole getting to the byline once or putting in a cross in the four games i watched. I'd rather have someone who had half a brain and cared a bit more rather than letting players run past him and jogging back slowing when the other side is attacking.

 

of course he could not display his attacking talent..he was defending the whole left side on his own..

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Andy_Porter

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of course he could not display his attacking talent..he was defending the whole left side on his own..

 

Indeed, captain fantastic running around like a headless chicken done Ashley Cole or indeed the team no favours at all. We have to either drop him or play him in his "favourite position" where his i'm better than the rest of you I'm Steven ****ing Gerrard attitude can't hurt the team.

 

Such an over rated pile of scouse ****e. Alonso carried him in that Liverpool side, no suprise Gerrard has gone to **** since he left.

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Andy_Porter

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As for the team

 

GK - Hart

 

DR - Johnson

DL - Cole

DC - Jagielka - Should probably be Terry on ability but the bloke brings an unwanted ego to the team.

DC - Cahill

 

MR - Johnson

ML - Milner

MC - Barry

MC - Carrick / Huddlestone - arguement for both.

AMC - Lampard - no real alternatives

 

SC - Rooney

 

Probably our best five footballing midfielders, wingers on their opposite side so they're forced to cut inside and clog up the middle even more which gives us more options to feet and space for the full backs to bomb forward. We're not going to progress untill we learn to keep the ball.

 

Hopefully a few of our younger players get moves so their careers can kick on, Onuonha and Johnson at City for example both looked brilliant before all the money came into the club.

Probably just make Rooney captain and be done with it.

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Thedelldays

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agree mate...

 

 

we should have a core of young talented players and build the team around them with them in their best positions..

 

------------Hart

 

johnon----dawson--jagielka----Cole

 

------Barry------Huddleston

 

johnson----j.Cole---Milner

 

--------Rooney

 

 

im sick and bloody tired of gerrard, lampard being total shoe-ins for the team no matter what, no matter what position

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SuperMikey

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Depends on who the manager is really, as each manager will have players who he (or she) likes and dislikes, and will adjust the squad accordingly. Personally, taking age into account i'd go for something like;

 

-----------------------HART------------------------

----------JAGIELKA----TERRY----CAHILL--------

--MILNER--------------------------------A.COLE

----------GERRARD----BARRY----J.COLE---------

----------------ROONEY----CROUCH------------

 

That team will qualify, but won't exactly set the tournament alight.

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saint_stevo

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lol at carrick being anywhere near our england team. Ps- i only said arry because since the manager has been foreign or mcclaren we seem to have lost some fight and fire. Being a typical english manager he would be ideal. Worrying lack of aggression during the w.c......especially yesterday

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------------------Hart-------------------

Richards - Ferdinand - Dawson - Cole

-----------------Barry-------------------

----------Gerrard---Rodwell------------

Walcott---------------------------Milner

----------------Rooney------------------

 

Rest of 23 :

Carson

Robinson

Johnson

S. Taylor

Upson

Bridge

Huddlestone

Lampard

Gibson

Lennon

J. Cole

Agbonlahor

Defoe

 

 

Good enough to win the group and giving the youngsters experience.

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-----------------------Hart

Richards-----Dawson-----Terry----------A.Cole

-------------Parker--------Rodwell

---Walcott----------Gerrard-----------A.Johnson

---------------------Rooney

 

Squad Players

G.Johnson

J.Cole

Barry

Crouch

Defoe

Beckham

Lampard

Huddelstone

Jagielka

A.Young

Milner

Warnock

Lennon

Bent

 

 

 

Never Again

Upson

Ferdinand

King

Carragher

Green

Carrick

Heskey

Owen

Hargreaves

Downing

Baines

Bridge

Wright-Phillips

Brown

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Golac's Iron Gonads

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Indeed, captain fantastic running around like a headless chicken done Ashley Cole or indeed the team no favours at all. We have to either drop him or play him in his "favourite position" where his i'm better than the rest of you I'm Steven ****ing Gerrard attitude can't hurt the team.

 

Such an over rated pile of scouse ****e. Alonso carried him in that Liverpool side, no suprise Gerrard has gone to **** since he left.

 

So glad I'm not alone in thinking this, I was getting rather worried with the Gerrard love that has been presented in most peoples alternative teams. Gerrard was awful, roamed around the pitch leaving the left side completely open, and Cole having to defend against Muller and the best right back in the business! Worries me that Capello didn't pull Gerrard off as the big headed superstar couldn't stick to a game plan.

I don't have an alternative team, as far as I can see we are f**ked for at least 10 years unless something is done about the grass roots coaching in this country. Interesting little stat I saw in a paper yesterday:

Prior to this tournament, there were only 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588.

Yep France and Italy have bombed out, but both were finalists 4 years ago and I know they'll both be doing better than England again within 4 years

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Crab Lungs

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So glad I'm not alone in thinking this, I was getting rather worried with the Gerrard love that has been presented in most peoples alternative teams. Gerrard was awful, roamed around the pitch leaving the left side completely open, and Cole having to defend against Muller and the best right back in the business! Worries me that Capello didn't pull Gerrard off as the big headed superstar couldn't stick to a game plan.

I don't have an alternative team, as far as I can see we are f**ked for at least 10 years unless something is done about the grass roots coaching in this country. Interesting little stat I saw in a paper yesterday:

Prior to this tournament, there were only 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588.

Yep France and Italy have bombed out, but both were finalists 4 years ago and I know they'll both be doing better than England again within 4 years

 

This is something that I have been saying about Gerrard for years. I've even gone to the extent of furiously calling all my friends "football thickos" for not understanding how detrimental to the side he is. Everyone bangs on about Lampard yet always overlook the regular indiscipline of SG.

 

Thankfully this generation has nearly run it's course.

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Smirking_Saint

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Hart

Richards Jagielka Ferdinand Cole

Hargreaves Barry

Lennon Gerrard A.Johnson

Rooney

 

That should provide a decent mix IMO

 

Cahill, Shawcross, Smalling, Rodwell, A.Young, Delfounso, Agbonglahor, Walcott, Wilshere, Walker, O'Hara

 

All need to get involved aswell, drop some of the older players that aren't going to get a game. Lampard will be 34 at the Euros so i can't see him playing in it so why it the qualifiers ??

Terry would have been included if he wasn't such a bad influence.

How anyone can write of Hargreaves, if he becomes fit again and back to his best (last world cup) he will be fantastic.

For everyone playing Johnson on the right, everyone knows he is predominantly left footed right ?

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Andy_Porter

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So glad I'm not alone in thinking this, I was getting rather worried with the Gerrard love that has been presented in most peoples alternative teams. Gerrard was awful, roamed around the pitch leaving the left side completely open, and Cole having to defend against Muller and the best right back in the business! Worries me that Capello didn't pull Gerrard off as the big headed superstar couldn't stick to a game plan.

I don't have an alternative team, as far as I can see we are f**ked for at least 10 years unless something is done about the grass roots coaching in this country. Interesting little stat I saw in a paper yesterday:

Prior to this tournament, there were only 2,769 English coaches holding Uefa's top qualifications. Spain has produced 23,995, Italy 29,420, Germany 34,970 and France 17,588.

Yep France and Italy have bombed out, but both were finalists 4 years ago and I know they'll both be doing better than England again within 4 years

 

I couldn't agree more, there must be something wrong with the way the youngsters are trained we have so few creative English players, there's got to be something a miss.

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I don't follow the majoritys opinion I'm afraid. I couldn't outline any player who played particularly badly for us - the team just didn't gel and I blame Capello for that.

 

You're 'aving a larf, more like finding one who played well. These were supposed to be the cream of England, I could of kitted up eleven fans out there, who would of given a more commited performance.

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Anybody see the stats in the Telegraph yesterday? They printed 'distance covered' and 'top speed' (stop s******ing at the back) for all of England's outfield players.

 

Not sure what crit they use to measure 'top speed' presumably 'quickest player' over say 10m(?).

 

England's fastest player, as measured by whatever they measured it by was ...... Lampard

 

England's fourth fastest player ..... Heskey

 

Lennon not in the top 6-7

 

England's slowest outfield player ..... Crouch

 

The 'pacey' Glenn Johnson ... not in the top half

 

 

Sorry, don't have the actual figs to hand nor can I find a link to the online version but some food for thought?

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As a lot of commentators have said, England is (and apparently always has been) more interested in club rather than country. If that is the case then choose people who want to play for their country, which would mean looking more outside of the top 6 or 7 of the PL. I can't quite decide what is better. Inferior players trying their hearts out, or better players who don't really try.

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Crab Lungs

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Haha, was just thinking how annoyed I get when Steven Gerrard is picked for England and had to come back here to be among people who feel the same. Can't stand his "Roy of the Rovers" attitude. If there is one person ****ing things up for people, it's him. Whenever in the middle, trots around and leaves Lampard to do the dirty work and whenever wide, he leaves Ashley Cole to defend the left side all by himself (Cole, it has to be said, done a bloody good job of it too - no wonder the poor bugger couldn't get forward that much..)

 

I can only hope that come the Hungary game, we'll have a fresher looking line up... no more hangers on, the "golden generation" have to be binned. They've had their chances, they've continually ****ed them up.

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He wasn't fit. Not just his ankle, but more so his mental fatigue.

 

I just don't see the same Rooney as the eruros in 2004 though, he was running at players, beating them and leaving them in his wake and scoring some cracking goals.

 

Is this another example of an english player that has peaked way too early?

 

Definitely a case of Ferguson playing him too often and even when not fit, essentially he needs a break not a kick up the backside.

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-----------------------Hart

Richards-----Dawson-----Terry----------A.Cole

-------------Parker--------Rodwell

---Walcott----------Gerrard-----------A.Johnson

---------------------Rooney

 

Squad Players

G.Johnson

J.Cole

Barry

Crouch

Defoe

Beckham

Lampard

Huddelstone

Jagielka

A.Young

Milner

Warnock

Lennon

Bent

 

 

 

Never Again

Upson

Ferdinand

King

Carragher

Green

Carrick

Heskey

Owen

Hargreaves

Downing

Baines

Bridge

Wright-Phillips

Brown

 

Agree with most but how can you say never again in respect of Hargreaves who was excellent when he did play and Bridge who didn't go only because of the brainless Terry ( who bizarrely is in your team and ahead of Ferdinand) ??

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Haha, was just thinking how annoyed I get when Steven Gerrard is picked for England and had to come back here to be among people who feel the same. Can't stand his "Roy of the Rovers" attitude. If there is one person ****ing things up for people, it's him. Whenever in the middle, trots around and leaves Lampard to do the dirty work and whenever wide, he leaves Ashley Cole to defend the left side all by himself (Cole, it has to be said, done a bloody good job of it too - no wonder the poor bugger couldn't get forward that much..)

 

I can only hope that come the Hungary game, we'll have a fresher looking line up... no more hangers on, the "golden generation" have to be binned. They've had their chances, they've continually ****ed them up.

 

All of my friends thinK Gerrard is some sort of god, it's like they've been brainwashed by the Sky and BBC pundits, I can't say a bad word about him without being told i'm biased and only dislike him because he's a scouser.

 

Most of them think he was easily our best player at the world cup and the only one who played to the best of his ability. :facepalm:

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----------------------------Hart-------------------------

 

Richards-----------Dawson-----Whoever's playing well---Cole

 

 

------------------------------Barry-----------------------

 

-----------------Hargreaves--------------Lampard---------

 

Johnson/Lennon/Walcott/Milner------------------------J Cole

 

-----------------------------Rooney-------------------------

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----------------------------Hart-------------------------

 

Richards-----------Dawson-----Whoever's playing well---Cole

 

 

------------------------------Barry-----------------------

 

-----------------Hargreaves--------------Lampard---------

 

Johnson/Lennon/Walcott/Milner------------------------J Cole

 

-----------------------------Rooney-------------------------

 

Truth is, Barry is not a very good holding midfielder, switch him with hargreaves at it beginning to look a little better, Johnson is left footed.

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Haha, was just thinking how annoyed I get when Steven Gerrard is picked for England and had to come back here to be among people who feel the same. Can't stand his "Roy of the Rovers" attitude. If there is one person ****ing things up for people, it's him. Whenever in the middle, trots around and leaves Lampard to do the dirty work and whenever wide, he leaves Ashley Cole to defend the left side all by himself (Cole, it has to be said, done a bloody good job of it too - no wonder the poor bugger couldn't get forward that much..)

 

I can only hope that come the Hungary game, we'll have a fresher looking line up... no more hangers on, the "golden generation" have to be binned. They've had their chances, they've continually ****ed them up.

 

Because he plays so well there for Liverpool and IMO is easily Englands best player, probably at the moment on par with Rooney.

 

The thing is we don't ever see any of the international managers playing him IN his best position and so this is negated, unfortunately when you play a position for a long long time it gets into your head, when i was younger and switched from CM to RM i used to drift naturally inside and then again when switched upfront, at first used to naturally drift back, it is just in your head and is hard to rid yourself of.

 

What i think was not realised with Gerrard on the left was he was essentially tasked with a marauding role, for whatever reason Capello wanted him to do this on the left instead of actually accomodating him behind a decent striker i will never know.

 

As for Lampard, he is ok, but again he is never a defensive midfielder, or really has that much defensive about him, Chelsea build a team around him and that is why he shines so brightly. I will agree in a similar way Liverpool do this with Gerrard but the difference being we know Gerrard can defend if he has to, problem being when he does this behind Lampard his wings are clipped and so he looks crap.

 

The main failings for me are from the management team, they have just not got the best out of the players at all, Lampard never looks bothered for England any more, especially not in the world cup, his just couldn't give a f*ck for me when we dropped out of the WC and that will never be forgiven. Barry is never a holding midfielder either, he does ok there but when you compare him to the likes of Xabi Alonso, Van Bommel, Mascherano you realise how poor he is there.

 

You win things by playing a system that brings the best out of your best players, not by trying to accomodate your best players into a system.

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All of my friends thinK Gerrard is some sort of god, it's like they've been brainwashed by the Sky and BBC pundits, I can't say a bad word about him without being told i'm biased and only dislike him because he's a scouser.

 

Most of them think he was easily our best player at the world cup and the only one who played to the best of his ability. :facepalm:

 

Thank the frickin lord!!!!

 

Im so glad im not the only one. He is the most over rated player I have ever had the displeasure of watching.

 

Sure, I hate Liverpool, I may be a bit biased, but god he is not that good

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I see in the papers today the are reporting that King, James, Green, Joe Cole and Crouch are the players expected to be dropped from the squad. So dropping squad players, not exactly what is needed really is it!

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Crab Lungs

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I see in the papers today the are reporting that King, James, Green, Joe Cole and Crouch are the players expected to be dropped from the squad. So dropping squad players, not exactly what is needed really is it!

 

Brilliant, truly brilliant. Joe Cole is still in his prime, Crouchie's style of play will be useful beyond the age of 30 anyway and we're keeping useless 'tards such as Gerrard, Barry and Lampard.

 

Nice one, Fabio.

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Brilliant, truly brilliant. Joe Cole is still in his prime, Crouchie's style of play will be useful beyond the age of 30 anyway and we're keeping useless 'tards such as Gerrard, Barry and Lampard.

 

Nice one, Fabio.

 

I'm still undecided about Barry. I mean he was gash in SA but then he was injured and unfit.

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Crab Lungs

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I'm still undecided about Barry. I mean he was gash in SA but then he was injured and unfit.

 

Hmmm, yes, I toyed with the idea of omitting him from my generalisation - maybe I should have but I think that gross outpacing he took in the Germany game is just burned to my mind!

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