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[miserableoldgit]

IMHO as probably one of the oldest fans on this forum all Saints Troubles began with Lowe and his ludicrous running of the club in the premier league , and will end with Lowe taking the club into administration. Get rid of Lowe, and JP might have a chance of making a fist of it this season and hopefully that could tempt a buyer for the club. I also think attendances at SMS would increase dramatically with Lowe & Wilde being permantly removed from the club,I know before you all start shouting at me that finding a real benefactor for the club is extremely difficult but it would be made a lot easier without Lowe. Watch them all line up to buy SFC once the bank pulls the plug.

 

The problem is HOW do you get rid of RL and Co? And What in there place? Nobody could stop them from coming back so how can they be removed? Secondly, attendances didn`t increase when Lowe left the first time despite everyone saying they would.it`s a puzzle.

 

My first game 1955 - ish. John Christie in goal.

[benjii]

The word is cerebral. I'm sure that was what benji was probably alluding to. No wonder he didn't know what a cerebal wit was.

 

Yes indeed!

 

Once a typo, twice... funny!

 

I like the way he's adopted Scooby's flat-cap signifier too.

[trousers]

23 PAGES LETS PACK IT UP .HOPEFULY ?:chain:

 

Look on the bright side.....At least last night's poor performance has had the effect of knocking this takeover thread malarkey onto page 2.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[OldNick]

After 23 pages you finally get it Nick

How many pages will it take for some to understand that the fans also have had a part to play in our downfall?

[Wade Garrett]

How many pages will it take for some to understand that the fans also have had a part to play in our downfall?

 

Change the record nick.

[OldNick]

Totally agree that I am not the wisest and yes I remember Askhams tenure very well And when he brought Lowe onboard that was the real start of our disaster's.

This is something that I cant get around my head. There was much talk of Gavyn Davies and Frost etc, but where are they now when they could buy the club very reasonably. They may not have been therre in the first place but RL was able to proceed. Business can be a dirty game and Askham saw the best deal for himself and his other cohorts.I had waited from a kid for the new ground and it was in his initial tenure that it was provided.There is much discussion how and who was responsible but he was the man in charge at the time and like Brown who got the credit for the boom Lowe must get some for the stadium.I also recall him playing in a Testimonial and the fans singing his namer and willing for him to score.None of the abuse then, this of course carried on with us moving to the new stadium and then with WGS and the cup final. No boycotts then, no I wont be putting money in his pocket etc etc.Can you see why I get dismayed? Yes mistakes were made, but not by only him. He was chairman when we went down and so he must take a large proportion of the blame but at the same time he did change the personel and we did have a squad that should have stayed up.He didnt give away the leads or miss open golas, he gave the managers enough tools to do the job but they and the players failed us all. They have swanned off and taken thier big bucks (far more than any of the chairman) and left us in the mire.

As i say find us a decent alternative and I will happily follow.

[OldNick]

Change the record nick.

Ok thats fine but I will if you and the others will or is that not the way?

[SaintRobbie]

OK - Let's start with something constructive:

 

 

A very very public announcement from Mike Wilde that the Club is FOR SALE a la Ashley at Newcastle Utd would be a very very good start at the moment.

 

Mike... time's come.

 

Right now ANY takeover would be better, how I wish we'd taken the SISU deal and be sitting mid-table with Chris Coleman now. I really, really thought we'd get a better offer at the time... but no. And I'm afraid things are just slightly desperate now.

 

TAKEOVER AND FAST PLEASE.

[DT]

I'm struggling to think of a time when this club has been at a lower ebb. Anyone know of any ebbs that qualify? I think it is a rubbish ebb, our ebb.

[Roman]

I'm struggling to think of a time when this club has been at a lower ebb. Anyone know of any ebbs that qualify? I think it is a rubbish ebb, our ebb.

 

Funny word, 'ebb'. Say it a lot and it sounds like you've lost the will to speak.

 

There have been quite a few ebbs, but I'm struggling to spot any signs of a 'flow' this time.

[Wes Tender]

This is something that I cant get around my head. There was much talk of Gavyn Davies and Frost etc, but where are they now when they could buy the club very reasonably. They may not have been therre in the first place but RL was able to proceed. Business can be a dirty game and Askham saw the best deal for himself and his other cohorts.I had waited from a kid for the new ground and it was in his initial tenure that it was provided.There is much discussion how and who was responsible but he was the man in charge at the time and like Brown who got the credit for the boom Lowe must get some for the stadium.I also recall him playing in a Testimonial and the fans singing his namer and willing for him to score.None of the abuse then, this of course carried on with us moving to the new stadium and then with WGS and the cup final. No boycotts then, no I wont be putting money in his pocket etc etc.Can you see why I get dismayed? Yes mistakes were made, but not by only him. He was chairman when we went down and so he must take a large proportion of the blame but at the same time he did change the personel and we did have a squad that should have stayed up.He didnt give away the leads or miss open golas, he gave the managers enough tools to do the job but they and the players failed us all. They have swanned off and taken thier big bucks (far more than any of the chairman) and left us in the mire.

As i say find us a decent alternative and I will happily follow.

 

Nick, the difference between us, is that I'm a lot more grudging and less accepting of the chain of events that you have described and that colours my opinions now.

 

For example, it was rumoured that there were another two consortia out there as well as the Frost/Davies one and yet the board deemed there to be some undue haste in accepting the reverse takeover which by a happy coincidence considerably enriched them. I considered that transaction to be morally bankrupt and therefore my opinion of all of that old board and those associated with it since is scathing of their motives in anything else involving them.

 

The stadium was a great leap forward, except that we should have been at Stoneham, which Lowe c*cked up through his intransigent greed and unreasonable demands. At least that stadium would have had extra benefits such as the sports centre to raise its potential as a saleable asset.

 

Agreed that Lowe wasn't responsible for giving away the leads we had in games that resulted in our relegation, but the instability caused by his constant changes of manager were the key factor in our demise. Things might have even been better had he appointed Redknapp when he first had the opportunity when he was released by West Ham and before he went to Pompey. Perhaps he could have been more interested then if he had some cash to spend, but instead he possibly felt snubbed not to have been considered first time around and his heart wasn't in it once he had managed Pompey's successful return to the Premiership.

 

So for all of these things, I have a slightly different perspective to yours and perhaps others are of the same opinion on some or all of these points.

[Wade Garrett]

Ok thats fine but I will if you and the others will or is that not the way?

 

Of course not!

[Sundance Beast]

OK - Let's start with something constructive:

 

 

A very very public announcement from Mike Wilde that the Club is FOR SALE a la Ashley at Newcastle Utd would be a very very good start at the moment.

 

Mike... time's come.

 

Right now ANY takeover would be better, how I wish we'd taken the SISU deal and be sitting mid-table with Chris Coleman now. I really, really thought we'd get a better offer at the time... but no. And I'm afraid things are just slightly desperate now.

 

TAKEOVER AND FAST PLEASE.

 

Therein lies the rub. Another post that talks about a takeover, just any takeover, no matter what the eventual consequences. If things are slightly desperate its partly because the fans have let them become like that.

 

If we collectively had the passion of Newcastle fans and accetted our position but still turned up to support our team instead of complaining and staying away we may, just may, stay in control of our own destiny.

 

BTW a lower Ebb would be Ebbsfleet. Can you imagine some of our wishful thinking fans have control of the tiller.

 

Nothing personal SaintRobbie but your view is fairly representative of many others and I think it is promoting false and unrealistic hope. Support is the name of the game.

[dubai_phil]

OK here's a thought.

 

We "YEARN" for a takeover, but just for one moment, take a step back and see if you can answer this question

 

IF you were a successful business person and a prospective buyer of a football club why would you buy Southampton?

 

Business is about making profit, selling and marketing, but someone asked me today Why would ANYONE want to buy "your lot|

 

Any ideas?

[Dark Munster]

OK here's a thought.

 

We "YEARN" for a takeover, but just for one moment, take a step back and see if you can answer this question

 

IF you were a successful business person and a prospective buyer of a football club why would you buy Southampton?

 

Business is about making profit, selling and marketing, but someone asked me today Why would ANYONE want to buy "your lot|

 

Any ideas?

 

This was posted (not by me) on saintslist during the PA saga. I hope the author doesn't mind me pasting it here:

 

 

It seems to be very quiet on the List at present so I thought I would

give you something to think about. Don't take this too seriously, but

what would you say to Paul Allen or indeed any potential investor to

make him think saints would be the right club to invest in? We are

given to understand that PA is not exactly glory hunting but rather

looking (or was) for a 'family club' to invest in.

 

So first I would point to our history..∑..we started out as a Church

Youth Club, and now have a new stadium within sight of St Mary‚s

Church, the Mother Church of Southampton, and it was from that

Church's Youth team that saints were formed in 1885. I would tell the

story of Ted Bates, surely a story to underline the family values of

SFC. I would tell of the saints discovery of a youngish Alf Ramsey, and

how he went on to lead England to World Cup glory in 1966 as the

England team Manager, there is the Terry Paine story that epitomises

loyalty, John Sydenham's loyalty and success at Saints, Mick Channon's

rise to England status after starting out as a young lad at the Dell. A

video of the 1976 Cup Final with pictures of the rapturous saint‚s fans

would be a must, and of course follow that with the crowd scenes at

Cardiff in 2003. Another video must, would be the Matt Le Tissier's

goals video and explain that Matt could have gone to any club in

Britain but stayed loyal to his first love, SFC. A video of the last

game at the Dell v Arsenal and the 6-3 defeat of Man United might also

whet his appetite!

 

I would point out the success of the Youth policy at Southampton that

has produced the likes of Alan Shearer and Wayne Bridge for England,

Gareth Bale for Wales, and Chris Bale for Ireland, plus lots of

youngsters who have or are playing first team football around the

country after coming through the ranks at SFC including 17 year old

Theo Walcott at Arsenal. I would explain that we would have been able

to keep more of our talented youngsters had we had the money to compete

with the so called bigger clubs who can offer better wages. I would put

him in touch with the President of Dallas FC in the USA who would

testify not only to the talent of our youth team playing in Dallas

recently, but to their sporting behaviour and behaviour in general

during their visit.

 

I would then invite Mr Allen to join me on a stadium tour without

revealing who he was to anyone else! I would explain the good road,

rail and air links to Southampton. I would reveal that once saints

became the success he wants for us the stadium could be enlarged

relatively easily due to the foresight of ensuring that the pile

driving was done deep enough, and foundations strong enough, to allow

for expansion to something like a 50,000 seater stadium. I would get my

map of the UK out and draw a line under London, right across the uk and

point out that we have a bigger stadium that either Reading or

Portsmouth, the only teams of note under that line, the rest of the

South of England is our catchment area. I would sell the club to him.

 

Then I would sell the fans to him; I would sit him down and tell him

about the great saint‚s fans, tell him the story about young Ben and

his granddad's visit, about the terminally ill patients from the

Oakhaven Hospice who we adopted a few years ago and about the fun we

had. Of course the six years of hosting the Chernobyl Kids Fun day at

St Mary's, all paid for by saints fans, would underline the spirit and

generosity of Saints fans. He could join us on July 26th if he wanted

to.

 

I could tell him lots more stories of the loyalty of saints supporters,

about the world wide support on this saintslist web-site and the

pilgrimages paid to St Mary's by many of you overseas fans from,

Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, USA, Hong Kong , Singapore, Costa

Rica, Canada, Scandinavia, Spain and so on.

 

I am sure you could all add other things, but to me SFC is the best

club in the world and a worthy place for Mr Allen to invest and enjoy

himself. But the problem is he is not talking to us fans is he? I doubt

if the powers that be in any discussions have even mentioned the saints

fan base, or even our history. Why not take one of us out to meet him?

Lets talk football as well as business. Let me get at him!!

 

Let‚s hear what you would tell him, or is it really too late now.

[DT]

OK here's a thought.

 

We "YEARN" for a takeover, but just for one moment, take a step back and see if you can answer this question

 

IF you were a successful business person and a prospective buyer of a football club why would you buy Southampton?

 

Business is about making profit, selling and marketing, but someone asked me today Why would ANYONE want to buy "your lot|

 

Any ideas?

we have a catering service that is the envy of all other clubs in the world ever.

[Saint Billy]

OK here's a thought.

 

We "YEARN" for a takeover, but just for one moment, take a step back and see if you can answer this question

 

IF you were a successful business person and a prospective buyer of a football club why would you buy Southampton?

 

Business is about making profit, selling and marketing, but someone asked me today Why would ANYONE want to buy "your lot|

 

Any ideas?

 

Because sfc could be purchased relatively cheap in comparison to many other similar size clubs?

 

Challenge?

 

Someone with money to burn who is entrigued by the prospect of being elevated into an icon in South Hampshire.

 

Someone who hates poopey.

 

Someone who can see the surrounding area as growth opportunities inside and outside of football.

 

Clutching at straws I know!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

This was posted (not by me) on saintslist during the PA saga. I hope the author doesn't mind me pasting it here:

 

 

It seems to be very quiet on the List at present so I thought I would

give you something to think about. Don't take this too seriously, but

what would you say to Paul Allen or indeed any potential investor to

make him think saints would be the right club to invest in? We are

given to understand that PA is not exactly glory hunting but rather

looking (or was) for a 'family club' to invest in.

 

So first I would point to our history..∑..we started out as a Church

Youth Club, and now have a new stadium within sight of St Mary‚s

Church, the Mother Church of Southampton, and it was from that

Church's Youth team that saints were formed in 1885. I would tell the

story of Ted Bates, surely a story to underline the family values of

SFC. I would tell of the saints discovery of a youngish Alf Ramsey, and

how he went on to lead England to World Cup glory in 1966 as the

England team Manager, there is the Terry Paine story that epitomises

loyalty, John Sydenham's loyalty and success at Saints, Mick Channon's

rise to England status after starting out as a young lad at the Dell. A

video of the 1976 Cup Final with pictures of the rapturous saint‚s fans

would be a must, and of course follow that with the crowd scenes at

Cardiff in 2003. Another video must, would be the Matt Le Tissier's

goals video and explain that Matt could have gone to any club in

Britain but stayed loyal to his first love, SFC. A video of the last

game at the Dell v Arsenal and the 6-3 defeat of Man United might also

whet his appetite!

 

I would point out the success of the Youth policy at Southampton that

has produced the likes of Alan Shearer and Wayne Bridge for England,

Gareth Bale for Wales, and Chris Bale for Ireland, plus lots of

youngsters who have or are playing first team football around the

country after coming through the ranks at SFC including 17 year old

Theo Walcott at Arsenal. I would explain that we would have been able

to keep more of our talented youngsters had we had the money to compete

with the so called bigger clubs who can offer better wages. I would put

him in touch with the President of Dallas FC in the USA who would

testify not only to the talent of our youth team playing in Dallas

recently, but to their sporting behaviour and behaviour in general

during their visit.

 

I would then invite Mr Allen to join me on a stadium tour without

revealing who he was to anyone else! I would explain the good road,

rail and air links to Southampton. I would reveal that once saints

became the success he wants for us the stadium could be enlarged

relatively easily due to the foresight of ensuring that the pile

driving was done deep enough, and foundations strong enough, to allow

for expansion to something like a 50,000 seater stadium. I would get my

map of the UK out and draw a line under London, right across the uk and

point out that we have a bigger stadium that either Reading or

Portsmouth, the only teams of note under that line, the rest of the

South of England is our catchment area. I would sell the club to him.

 

Then I would sell the fans to him; I would sit him down and tell him

about the great saint‚s fans, tell him the story about young Ben and

his granddad's visit, about the terminally ill patients from the

Oakhaven Hospice who we adopted a few years ago and about the fun we

had. Of course the six years of hosting the Chernobyl Kids Fun day at

St Mary's, all paid for by saints fans, would underline the spirit and

generosity of Saints fans. He could join us on July 26th if he wanted

to.

 

I could tell him lots more stories of the loyalty of saints supporters,

about the world wide support on this saintslist web-site and the

pilgrimages paid to St Mary's by many of you overseas fans from,

Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, USA, Hong Kong , Singapore, Costa

Rica, Canada, Scandinavia, Spain and so on.

 

I am sure you could all add other things, but to me SFC is the best

club in the world and a worthy place for Mr Allen to invest and enjoy

himself. But the problem is he is not talking to us fans is he? I doubt

if the powers that be in any discussions have even mentioned the saints

fan base, or even our history. Why not take one of us out to meet him?

Lets talk football as well as business. Let me get at him!!

 

Let‚s hear what you would tell him, or is it really too late now.

 

It's his birthday today also! I'll not spoil it by telling him he's now being quoted 'in that other place' as those Listees seem to call us!

[dubai_phil]

Thanks guys, I think I know all the one-line one's:-) Used them myself

 

But DM that's helpful, any others like that out there?

[Sevvy]

This was posted (not by me) on saintslist during the PA saga. I hope the author doesn't mind me pasting it here:

 

 

It seems to be very quiet on the List at present so I thought I would

give you something to think about. Don't take this too seriously, but

what would you say to Paul Allen or indeed any potential investor to

make him think saints would be the right club to invest in? We are

given to understand that PA is not exactly glory hunting but rather

looking (or was) for a 'family club' to invest in.

 

So first I would point to our history..∑..we started out as a Church

Youth Club, and now have a new stadium within sight of St Mary‚s

Church, the Mother Church of Southampton, and it was from that

Church's Youth team that saints were formed in 1885. I would tell the

story of Ted Bates, surely a story to underline the family values of

SFC. I would tell of the saints discovery of a youngish Alf Ramsey, and

how he went on to lead England to World Cup glory in 1966 as the

England team Manager, there is the Terry Paine story that epitomises

loyalty, John Sydenham's loyalty and success at Saints, Mick Channon's

rise to England status after starting out as a young lad at the Dell. A

video of the 1976 Cup Final with pictures of the rapturous saint‚s fans

would be a must, and of course follow that with the crowd scenes at

Cardiff in 2003. Another video must, would be the Matt Le Tissier's

goals video and explain that Matt could have gone to any club in

Britain but stayed loyal to his first love, SFC. A video of the last

game at the Dell v Arsenal and the 6-3 defeat of Man United might also

whet his appetite!

 

I would point out the success of the Youth policy at Southampton that

has produced the likes of Alan Shearer and Wayne Bridge for England,

Gareth Bale for Wales, and Chris Bale for Ireland, plus lots of

youngsters who have or are playing first team football around the

country after coming through the ranks at SFC including 17 year old

Theo Walcott at Arsenal. I would explain that we would have been able

to keep more of our talented youngsters had we had the money to compete

with the so called bigger clubs who can offer better wages. I would put

him in touch with the President of Dallas FC in the USA who would

testify not only to the talent of our youth team playing in Dallas

recently, but to their sporting behaviour and behaviour in general

during their visit.

 

I would then invite Mr Allen to join me on a stadium tour without

revealing who he was to anyone else! I would explain the good road,

rail and air links to Southampton. I would reveal that once saints

became the success he wants for us the stadium could be enlarged

relatively easily due to the foresight of ensuring that the pile

driving was done deep enough, and foundations strong enough, to allow

for expansion to something like a 50,000 seater stadium. I would get my

map of the UK out and draw a line under London, right across the uk and

point out that we have a bigger stadium that either Reading or

Portsmouth, the only teams of note under that line, the rest of the

South of England is our catchment area. I would sell the club to him.

 

Then I would sell the fans to him; I would sit him down and tell him

about the great saint‚s fans, tell him the story about young Ben and

his granddad's visit, about the terminally ill patients from the

Oakhaven Hospice who we adopted a few years ago and about the fun we

had. Of course the six years of hosting the Chernobyl Kids Fun day at

St Mary's, all paid for by saints fans, would underline the spirit and

generosity of Saints fans. He could join us on July 26th if he wanted

to.

 

I could tell him lots more stories of the loyalty of saints supporters,

about the world wide support on this saintslist web-site and the

pilgrimages paid to St Mary's by many of you overseas fans from,

Australia, South Africa, New Zealand, USA, Hong Kong , Singapore, Costa

Rica, Canada, Scandinavia, Spain and so on.

 

I am sure you could all add other things, but to me SFC is the best

club in the world and a worthy place for Mr Allen to invest and enjoy

himself. But the problem is he is not talking to us fans is he? I doubt

if the powers that be in any discussions have even mentioned the saints

fan base, or even our history. Why not take one of us out to meet him?

Lets talk football as well as business. Let me get at him!!

 

Let‚s hear what you would tell him, or is it really too late now.

 

 

When its put like that it what more can you say.

[Tamesaint]

Therein lies the rub. Another post that talks about a takeover, just any takeover, no matter what the eventual consequences. If things are slightly desperate its partly because the fans have let them become like that.

 

If we collectively had the passion of Newcastle fans and accetted our position but still turned up to support our team instead of complaining and staying away we may, just may, stay in control of our own destiny.

 

BTW a lower Ebb would be Ebbsfleet. Can you imagine some of our wishful thinking fans have control of the tiller.

 

Nothing personal SaintRobbie but your view is fairly representative of many others and I think it is promoting false and unrealistic hope. Support is the name of the game.

 

 

 

"The passion of Nercastle fans" - do us a faviour Sundance. You can only write 3 posts a day and you fill the posts you write with c**p like that.

 

Our crowds since Lowe got us relegated have been consistently higher than Newcastle's in the '90's when they were last in the second tier.FACT. Last night only 20,000 of these "passionate" fans could be bothered to get off their ar**s and watch their team play Premiership Tottenham. We got more than that a couple of seasons ago in the same competition when we played League 1 Yeovil. FACT

 

Why don't you just admit it Sundance. Your hero Lowe is letting us down again. His mad cap idea of reliance on youth is destined for failure in the same way as his mad cap idea of appointing the England rugby coach failed. For some reason you are now blaming the fans (despite your protestations I do not think that you are a fan) when the truth is that Lowe is continuing to let us down. Blame him - not us!!

[OldNick]

"The passion of Nercastle fans" - do us a faviour Sundance. You can only write 3 posts a day and you fill the posts you write with c**p like that.

 

Our crowds since Lowe got us relegated have been consistently higher than Newcastle's in the '90's when they were last in the second tier.FACT. Last night only 20,000 of these "passionate" fans could be bothered to get off their ar**s and watch their team play Premiership Tottenham. We got more than that a couple of seasons ago in the same competition when we played League 1 Yeovil. FACT

 

Why don't you just admit it Sundance. Your hero Lowe is letting us down again. His mad cap idea of reliance on youth is destined for failure in the same way as his mad cap idea of appointing the England rugby coach failed. For some reason you are now blaming the fans (despite your protestations I do not think that you are a fan) when the truth is that Lowe is continuing to let us down. Blame him - not us!!

Tamesaint, you may have the answer that the others cant put forward, tell us how you cut us losing £100'sk a week, keep the high earners, get in better players, and stop us going into admin anyother way.Im keen to know how it could be done.

[Weston Super Saint]

 

If we collectively had the passion of Newcastle fans and accetted our position but still turned up to support our team instead of complaining and staying away we may, just may, stay in control of our own destiny.

 

 

Oh the irony of Newcastle's lowest gate for decades with only 20,000 passionate fans turning up to support their team....

 

I suppose the other 35,000 were staying away and complaining eh?

[dubai_phil]

Tamesaint, you may have the answer that the others cant put forward, tell us how you cut us losing £100'sk a week, keep the high earners, get in better players, and stop us going into admin anyother way.Im keen to know how it could be done.

 

It's all Euell's fault that TS can't use his idea.

 

If ONLY he hadn't tried to make the effort to get himself fit by playing in a reserve game and giving his all, he would not have dislocated his shoulder, would have been available to be lent/transferred and would have saved us around 750k in wages in a year which we could have used to have brought in a couple of wise old CCC journeymen to help the kids

 

Boo Euell out - why did he make an effort, noone else seems to

 

Now we pay the wages and have no football player for months

[OldNick]

It's all Euell's fault that TS can't use his idea.

 

If ONLY he hadn't tried to make the effort to get himself fit by playing in a reserve game and giving his all, he would not have dislocated his shoulder, would have been available to be lent/transferred and would have saved us around 750k in wages in a year which we could have used to have brought in a couple of wise old CCC journeymen to help the kids

 

Boo Euell out - why did he make an effort, noone else seems to

 

Now we pay the wages and have no football player for months

nice one Phil. On the bright side I think we may have insurance for Thomas and Euell and so their wages may be out of the equation for a while.What worries me is when Rasiaks comes back onto the payroll.If Rudi's appearance money is stopping him being picked Im damn sure Rasiaks even higher one will stop him as well

[Snowballs2]

Therein lies the rub. Another post that talks about a takeover, just any takeover, no matter what the eventual consequences. If things are slightly desperate its partly because the fans have let them become like that.

 

If we collectively had the passion of Newcastle fans and accetted our position but still turned up to support our team instead of complaining and staying away we may, just may, stay in control of our own destiny.

 

BTW a lower Ebb would be Ebbsfleet. Can you imagine some of our wishful thinking fans have control of the tiller.

 

Nothing personal SaintRobbie but your view is fairly representative of many others and I think it is promoting false and unrealistic hope. Support is the name of the game.

 

Come on Sundance in their last game there were 35,000 stay away fans at Newcastle

[Weston Super Saint]

Come on Sundance in their last game there were 35,000 stay away fans at Newcastle

 

Even [tm] Pompey, the bestest fans in the whole wide world ever [/tm], had 5,000 empty seats for their match against Chelsea last night.

 

But of course it's just SFC fans that have caused all the problems at our club

 

With his contempt for the average fan [customer], I fail to see how Sundunce Breast can be anything other than a pal of Ru**rts.....

[SOTONS EAST SIDE]

Sundance spouts more sh*te than a cow with the runs,and more spin than the best spin doctor.He's at best t@t, at worst a R**ert!

[Sundance Beast]

Nick, the difference between us, is that I'm a lot more grudging and less accepting of the chain of events that you have described and that colours my opinions now.

 

For example, it was rumoured that there were another two consortia out there as well as the Frost/Davies one and yet the board deemed there to be some undue haste in accepting the reverse takeover which by a happy coincidence considerably enriched them. I considered that transaction to be morally bankrupt and therefore my opinion of all of that old board and those associated with it since is scathing of their motives in anything else involving them.

 

The stadium was a great leap forward, except that we should have been at Stoneham, which Lowe c*cked up through his intransigent greed and unreasonable demands. At least that stadium would have had extra benefits such as the sports centre to raise its potential as a saleable asset.

 

Agreed that Lowe wasn't responsible for giving away the leads we had in games that resulted in our relegation, but the instability caused by his constant changes of manager were the key factor in our demise. Things might have even been better had he appointed Redknapp when he first had the opportunity when he was released by West Ham and before he went to Pompey. Perhaps he could have been more interested then if he had some cash to spend, but instead he possibly felt snubbed not to have been considered first time around and his heart wasn't in it once he had managed Pompey's successful return to the Premiership.

 

So for all of these things, I have a slightly different perspective to yours and perhaps others are of the same opinion on some or all of these points.

 

Somebody wake me up when this excuse of a Saints supporter has finished. On every thread his posts read like a 'man' analysing what stocks he should put in his pension fund and whether they are ethical. Wes you are by far the most tedious and boring poster on this forum and if you want people to read or respond to what you have said (other than myself) then change your style.

When was the last time your wife smiled?

[TheSaint75]

Somebody wake me up when this excuse of a Saints supporter has finished. On every thread his posts read like a 'man' analysing what stocks he should put in his pension fund and whether they are ethical. Wes you are by far the most tedious and boring poster on this forum and if you want people to read or respond to what you have said (other than myself) then change your style.

When was the last time your wife smiled?

 

That is priceless, you of all people calling somebody else tedious and boring LOL

Find a mirror and have a word with yourself Sundunce!!

[Weston Super Saint]

Somebody wake me up when this excuse of a Saints supporter has finished. On every thread his posts read like a 'man' analysing what stocks he should put in his pension fund and whether they are ethical. Wes you are by far the most tedious and boring poster on this forum and if you want people to read or respond to what you have said (other than myself) then change your style.

When was the last time your wife smiled?

 

[Snowballs2]

Somebody wake me up when this excuse of a Saints supporter has finished. On every thread his posts read like a 'man' analysing what stocks he should put in his pension fund and whether they are ethical. Wes you are by far the most tedious and boring poster on this forum and if you want people to read or respond to what you have said (other than myself) then change your style.

When was the last time your wife smiled?

 

Sundance based on the Paretoe principal I would say that top whack about 80% agree with your personal view. What is becoming tedious is that you resent the real truth, not only that you are quite happy to hand "it" out but do not like when others respond in kind.

Life is full of agreements and disagreements of positives and negatives.

However like it or not, to the lay man it just seems that Lowe and Wilde give the impression that they have returned to finish off the demise of our club.

We rebel against that, we lash out with the only tool that we have...non attendance and withdrawal of support through the turnstiles.

The total youth concept was NEVER going to work. Blood some of the Youth by all means, but with experienced older players who can help the young less experienced ones.

You are an educated individual quite obviously, so, it is a puzzle to me that you cannot accept that respect and support of Lowe / must be earned and is not freely given just because he is either an ex City tycoon and a public schoolboy.

Many, many mistakes have been made previously by Lowe and by Wilde, Crouch et al, however without becoming too boring Lowe has made the most and not just because of his extended time at SFC.

Until Lowe realises that, support, (like it or not) will dwindle even more, he is the most deviseive individual who is the main reason for our plight.

People ARE staying away because of Lowe and Wilde , but mainly because of the poor results due to his appointing inexperienced coaches for the league we play in and the insistance of his total youth policy which with the quality and lack of experience of them, will never work.

[JustMike]

Therein lies the rub. Another post that talks about a takeover, just any takeover, no matter what the eventual consequences. If things are slightly desperate its partly because the fans have let them become like that.

 

If we collectively had the passion of Newcastle fans and accetted our position but still turned up to support our team instead of complaining and staying away we may, just may, stay in control of our own destiny.

 

BTW a lower Ebb would be Ebbsfleet. Can you imagine some of our wishful thinking fans have control of the tiller.

 

Nothing personal SaintRobbie but your view is fairly representative of many others and I think it is promoting false and unrealistic hope. Support is the name of the game.

 

 

HAHAHA did you see the game last night? Less than 20,000, the lowest in years!! The have Blackburn on saturday and i bet they dont get over 25,000 for that game either. They have had enough

[dubai_phil]

You know, one day we'll get bored with name calling and the blame game and the number of active posters on this site will drop down to about 150

 

oh

 

Meanwhile on a different day, probably not this Friday, somebody will pop up and let us know that Fulofit and co aren't the only ones out there thinking about kicking some tyres

 

In the meantime, Fifteen - Love to Sundance simply for the smiley wife dig. Wes to serve, new balls please

[Weston Super Saint]

You know, one day we'll get bored with name calling and the blame game and the number of active posters on this site will drop down to about 150

 

oh

 

Meanwhile on a different day, probably not this Friday, somebody will pop up and let us know that Fulofit and co aren't the only ones out there thinking about kicking some tyres

In the meantime, Fifteen - Love to Sundance simply for the smiley wife dig. Wes to serve, new balls please

 

Like the Kenyans(???) who are interested in buying Newcastle. Perhaps they inherited a shed load of money from a deposed dictator and King Kev was the first to email back his bank details :smt102

[Window Cleaner]

Like the Kenyans(???) who are interested in buying Newcastle. Perhaps they inherited a shed load of money from a deposed dictator and King Kev was the first to email back his bank details :smt102

 

 

Nigerians, but they're still a 100 million short, have to send out a few e-mails to drum it up I expect:):)

[dubai_phil]

Actually I can now exclusively reveal that the funds are being raised in America, who are now the new Nigeria. What is more I now have the PROOF as contained in an email received this week

 

 

 

Dear American:

 

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude. I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America.

 

My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

 

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

 

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance.

 

My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

 

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction.

 

After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

 

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

[RoswellSaint]

Actually I can now exclusively reveal that the funds are being raised in America, who are now the new Nigeria. What is more I now have the PROOF as contained in an email received this week

 

 

 

Dear American:

 

I need to ask you to support an urgent secret business relationship with a transfer of funds of great magnitude. I am Ministry of the Treasury of the Republic of America.

 

My country has had crisis that has caused the need for large transfer of funds of 800 billion dollars US. If you would assist me in this transfer, it would be most profitable to you.

 

I am working with Mr. Phil Gram, lobbyist for UBS, who will be my replacement as Ministry of the Treasury in January. As a Senator, you may know him as the leader of the American banking deregulation movement in the 1990s. This transactin is 100% safe.

 

This is a matter of great urgency. We need a blank check. We need the funds as quickly as possible. We cannot directly transfer these funds in the names of our close friends because we are constantly under surveillance.

 

My family lawyer advised me that I should look for a reliable and trustworthy person who will act as a next of kin so the funds can be transferred.

 

Please reply with all of your bank account, IRA and college fund account numbers and those of your children and grandchildren to wallstreetbailout@treasury.gov so that we may transfer your commission for this transaction.

 

After I receive that information, I will respond with detailed information about safeguards that will be used to protect the funds.

 

Yours Faithfully Minister of Treasury Paulson

 

Minister of Treasury Paulson didn't need to ask for my help in bailing out AIG, etc. I just need to look at my payslip under Tax. "Your tax dollars at work", as they like to say over here, bailing out the geniuses on Wall St who thought the old rules no longer applied.

 

Linking this to Saints, can we convince Paulson that the survival of Saints is key to preventing the collapse of world sport, which will lead to further problems on Wall St?

[Window Cleaner]

Minister of Treasury Paulson didn't need to ask for my help in bailing out AIG, etc. I just need to look at my payslip under Tax. "Your tax dollars at work", as they like to say over here, bailing out the geniuses on Wall St who thought the old rules no longer applied.

 

Linking this to Saints, can we convince Paulson that the survival of Saints is key to preventing the collapse of world sport, which will lead to further problems on Wall St?

 

He'd probably send the hand out to New Orleans Saints.

[Master Bates]

You all need to toke some weed and relax.

[Roman]

Meanwhile on a different day, probably not this Friday, somebody will pop up and let us know that Fulofit and co aren't the only ones out there thinking about kicking some tyres

 

In the meantime, Fifteen - Love to Sundance simply for the smiley wife dig. Wes to serve, new balls please

 

Oh dear god. This is a whole new category of doing nothing - 'thinking of kicking some tyres'?!

 

And good luck with fitting Sundance with new balls.

[Wade Garrett]

Nigerians, but they're still a 100 million short, have to send out a few e-mails to drum it up I expect:):)

 

Quality. I've heard they've got the fonejacker in to raise funds.

 

Hellooooooo.

[Wes Tender]

Somebody wake me up when this excuse of a Saints supporter has finished. On every thread his posts read like a 'man' analysing what stocks he should put in his pension fund and whether they are ethical. Wes you are by far the most tedious and boring poster on this forum and if you want people to read or respond to what you have said (other than myself) then change your style.

When was the last time your wife smiled?

 

I am completely satisfied from reading all the brickbats that you have received after this post. You have your opinions and as far as I can see, it is you who are the one that people are chiding as the supercilious and arrogantly superior being (only in your own mind of course)

 

Read and learn from the wisdom of Rabbie Burn's poem to a Louse (appropriately enough)

 

Oh wad some power the Giftie gie us

To see oursels as others see us!

It wad frae monie a blunder free us

An’ foolish notion

 

I have a much younger and beautiful wife, who smiles often; not that my personal life is any business of yours.

[Weston Super Saint]

I am completely satisfied from reading all the brickbats that you have received after this post. You have your opinions and as far as I can see, it is you who are the one that people are chiding as the supercilious and arrogantly superior being (only in your own mind of course)

 

Read and learn from the wisdom of Rabbie Burn's poem to a Louse (appropriately enough)

 

Oh wad some power the Giftie gie us

To see oursels as others see us!

It wad frae monie a blunder free us

An’ foolish notion

 

I have a much younger and beautiful wife, who smiles often; not that my personal life is any business of yours.

 

She said she'll be home in fifteen minutes, so if you could put the kettle on.....

[Wes Tender]

She said she'll be home in fifteen minutes, so if you could put the kettle on.....

 

[Tamesaint]

Tamesaint, you may have the answer that the others cant put forward, tell us how you cut us losing £100'sk a week, keep the high earners, get in better players, and stop us going into admin anyother way.Im keen to know how it could be done.

 

I think you have lost my point.

 

Sundunce keeps on blaming the Southampton fans for not havng the "passion" of the Newcastle fans - the same fans whose stadium was only 35% full last night. The club whose "passionate" fans numbered 12-15,000 fans the last time that they were in the second tier.

 

At times like this the last thing that we should be doing is knocking our own fans.

[Snowballs2]

I think you have lost my point.

 

Sundunce keeps on blaming the Southampton fans for not havng the "passion" of the Newcastle fans - the same fans whose stadium was only 35% full last night. The club whose "passionate" fans numbered 12-15,000 fans the last time that they were in the second tier.

 

At times like this the last thing that we should be doing is knocking our own fans.

 

 

spot on

[rpb]

 

At times like this the last thing that we should be doing is knocking our own fans.

 

Do you mean the fans who refuse to go to games because they don't like the chairman or the ones who boo young players because they don't win?

[N/West Saint]

You all need to toke some weed and relax.

 

Great idea

[Weston Super Saint]

Do you mean the fans who refuse to go to games because they don't like the chairman or the ones who boo young players because they don't win?

 

Or the fans that show how unhappy they are when the team plays absolute turd....

 

By the way, in order to boo the players those fans have to have turned up. If you pay money to be entertained and don't feel you have been, how else are you going to express your unhappiness? It's not like we can write to the club for a refund is it?