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[dubai_phil]

I dont understand that comment Phil.My understanding is that the club still have him as the historian and RL or whoever has tried amke bygones be bygones.Only Duncan knows if that is the case now. I truly hope that RL has come back and tried to open a new page.LM and LC go to SMS still and LM still going is a surprise. Im delighted that is the case as in time perhaps all the old wounds will become faint scars.Too much to hope, but you never know

 

All I know is that FF posted that he did not know what would happen to him if Lowe came back (it was on TSF but before the actual day of the return)

I sure wouldn't try and interpret his thoughts/position since:-)

 

But we HAVE to stop this "all being friends again" -LM and LC go to SMS still and LM still going is a surprise stuff - it's killing us with boredom - nothing to fight about on here:-)

[NickG]

Just to reiterate what has already been said about Duncan, the guy is Red & White thru' and thru'. I always found his posts regarding the possible takeovers as very informative and they appeared to be shared with us in good faith with no hint of personal gain or ITK glory hunting. I will join the others here in encouraging Duncan back 'on board'.

 

don't think anyone is disputing that he is a saint. His posts were informative unfortuneately there is a danger when claiming to be ITK that people feel let down if the information you give ends up being wrong.

 

I know there is often the defence that things change etc but people have posted things on here as fact and done deals and were shown that these were never true -not just changed, sadly good fan posters such as SaintLee, Morph and FF have fallen down that hole

[hypochondriac]

don't think anyone is disputing that he is a saint. His posts were informative unfortuneately there is a danger when claiming to be ITK that people feel let down if the information you give ends up being wrong.

 

I know there is often the defence that things change etc but people have posted things on here as fact and done deals and were shown that these were never true -not just changed, sadly good fan posters such as SaintLee, Morph and FF have fallen down that hole

 

FF never posted that anything was a done deal. He is a good guy and does not deserve to be associated with with any of the bull****ters (not that saintlee or morph are, I just don't know them.)

[NickG]

sure he is a good guy. Can't remember detail but thought he did post facts around the return of the board etc which were wrong. Not 100%.

[hypochondriac]

sure he is a good guy. Can't remember detail but thought he did post facts around the return of the board etc which were wrong. Not 100%.

 

Nope. I remember clearly that he never posted anything as fact unless it actually was.

[Window Cleaner]

Nope. I remember clearly that he never posted anything as fact unless it actually was.

 

 

Well as I see it (and I could very well be wrong in my opinion) he posted half-facts and let himself be led into taking sides. Not saying it was wrong but someone did warn him at the time that he was probably being led up the garden path very astuciously and that he should probably rein in his enthusiasm for the

Crouch cause. Not saying that he was wrong to be optimistic about what he thought were reflections on the true state of affairs. It would also seem to me that St Lee was warned about going down the same sort of track with the Allen situation.

[solentstars]

My opinion only, so shoot me down for all I care.

 

Fitzhugh Fella is as sound as a pound. That red and white blood courses strongly through his veins, more so than most of us. He did, maybe still does, have the ear of some important players on the money side. He spoke out only when he was either:

 

1. Given the OK to or

2. His conscience would not let him remain silent

 

I feel that he was let down and, given all the crap that had gone on previously, people, wrongly in my opinion, placed him in the same category as those who had spouted crap on those other occasions.

 

I believe that rather then stand his ground, which he is well able to do, he has taken a semi - retirement, rather than further embroil us all on here in further accusations and counter accusations.

 

This temporary loss is felt by me because we no longer have the club historian to help us with queries and puzzles about our team.

 

I strongly hope that he will return to 'grace us with his presence'.

agree with you 100% soulboy ,he tried to keep us informed but it did not happen for what ever reason, but why do some people have to take it personally .i do not understand.i hope he returns to these boards soon has i found alot of what he posted interesting

[Sundance Beast]

So do I

 

Idiots like Sundance/Scooby reduce the board to a farce, but the club historian no longer feels that he can post. Very sad for this board in my opinion

 

'Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out'

 

At least thanks to Baj and co's sterile new show it certainly appears to be the case and one that Duncan should be happy to return to in a leading role. Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

[70's Mike]

'Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out'

 

At least thanks to Baj and co's sterile new show it certainly appears to be the case and one that Duncan should be happy to return to in a leading role. Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

 

Give me your address and i will send you a fiver so you can post more than 3 times

[trousers]

Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

 

So much so that some sad people have simply resorted to highlighting grammatical errors.

 

Regards,

Trousers

 

p.s. no apostrophe needed in "book's" (sic), by the way.

[trousers]

Give me your address and i will send you a fiver so you can post more than 3 times

 

You could always pay it directly on his behalf. Cut out the middleman I say.

 

[70's Mike]

You could always pay it directly on his behalf. Cut out the middleman I say.

 

 

not likely lets find out the t*ssers address in Skatesville

[OldNick]

'Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out'

 

At least thanks to Baj and co's sterile new show it certainly appears to be the case and one that Duncan should be happy to return to in a leading role. Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

Sundance why have you such an issue with Duncan and Daren Wheeler. Both seem decent enough people and so are more prominent fans than most but they dont get trawled out for 'soundbites' as fans spokesmen and IMO dont deserve your abuse. I have many times sided with some of your views but you serve no purpose trashing people for the sake of it.

[Gemmel]

'Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out'

 

At least thanks to Baj and co's sterile new show it certainly appears to be the case and one that Duncan should be happy to return to in a leading role. Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

 

Sorry you find Saints History, dry and boring...... very telling

[corsacar saint]

Duncan is a top guy , end of.

[Master Bates]

duncan is a top guy , end of.

 

+ 100

[Long Shot]

'Bring down the curtain, the farce is played out'

 

At least thanks to Baj and co's sterile new show it certainly appears to be the case and one that Duncan should be happy to return to in a leading role. Afterall, this forum has become as dry and as boring as one of his book's IMO.

 

Hard to make statistics and history exciting I would imagine.

Perhaps you should give it a try

[bridge too far]

Hard to make statistics and history exciting I would imagine.

Perhaps you should give it a try

 

He only deals in vitriol and sarcasm, I'm afraid.

[WestSaint]

He only deals in vitriol and sarcasm, I'm afraid.

 

 

You are absolutely right. I do not understand why such a poster is not moderated off the site . Despite all the disagreements between everyone, this is a saints supporters site after all and should not be for people to practice their vitriol and sarcasm to the extent that he does - Get him off!!

[Sundance Beast]

You are absolutely right. I do not understand why such a poster is not moderated off the site . Despite all the disagreements between everyone, this is a saints supporters site after all and should not be for people to practice their vitriol and sarcasm to the extent that he does - Get him off!!

 

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism?

 

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually.

 

Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing.

 

Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe?

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

[saint1977]

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism?

 

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually.

 

Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing.

 

Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe?

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

 

Talking out of your arse Sundance - need to do a bit better than that son. Mike Ashley has put SIGNIFICANT MONEY into NUFC which is why I have empathy with him and cleared NUFC's debts. Yes, he's being badly advised but even so, some of the Toon Army should pull their head in. Rupert and Secure Retirement did to their credit clear a £3m overdraft which was a legacy of awful mismanagement by Askham, who was too busy with his hand in the till. There's been no further investment after that brought in though so Lowe is effectively an employee and there whilst Mike Wilde as the major shareholder wants him there. Wilde is in financial trouble but even so, we're bottom of the league so Rupert's proxy come into play.

 

It's Rupert's proxy, not Rupert, that many of us are opposed to Sundance, let me make that crystal clear. Lowe is only the figurehead really and not a major player here. I am horrified to discover that Askham is involved again, a man who steals shares from the dead and put nil into the club and has made millions whilst the club have struggled. Whilst Askham is involved, I cannot see Saints being in business at the end of the season I'm afraid given his appalling track-record and I haven't even come on to Branfoot and the huge payoff Branfoot and his awful signings got which crippled us for years! If Mike Ashley wanted to buy us, I'd drive him to SMS to sign the deal in person. Askham and Richards = scum. Askham OUT!!!

[dubai_phil]

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism?

 

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually.

 

Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing.

 

Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe?

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

 

Interesting.

 

So it would appear that the pressure is getting through up on high then, hence the bite back.

 

Rupert has made two rods for his own already damaged back on his return. As I said at the time, he took potentially one gamble too many with the structure and a lack of experience of either the team or it's leadership, and he left the Crouch crowd out in the cold.

 

Now I have stated many times that I believe we need all three out or all three in. I am also aware of many of the games that were played by the three while they were "in waiting", making the return of Leon to the fold extremely difficult and unlikely.

 

The problem is that without being an expert in Sun Tzu I am pretty sure that he advocates trying NOT to fight on too many fronts at the same time, and something like to try and get the enemies of your enemy on side with you.

 

Personally, with the circumstances around the club today, I understand that we have little choice of leader and that of the 3 main shareholders he and Andrew are by far the best option, but the divisions are there, the sniping will continue and the soporific nature of this forum will continue as APATHY continues to spread both on here and in the fan base.

 

As I see the problems

Lack of Investment

Overspent our income

Arrogance (of the fans, the owners, the board, and the first team and management to our relegation)

Lack of any form of strategic planning

Lack of a "Government of National Unity in an emergency"

One gamble too many out of "Youth", "Total Football", "Exciting Young Coach", "revolutionary club-wide system for developing the youth"

 

Then outside of this you have perceptions which to date are not being managed well

Searching for the Right Investment

Balance of Youth and Experience in the First team

Penance for "past sins"

Plan B

 

I'm not so arrogant as to think I have any answers or even all of the questions, but the next two or three weeks will be very critical in the history of our club. Some results are the first priority, but there needs to be some thought given to the management of the politics around the club, it may be simply PR or it may be some actions. (Oh and if knew what to do then I'd be a wealthy consultant!)

 

Anyway look on the bright side - Keith Harris has been asked to help screw Newcastle even more than he did us, so with his attentions elsewhere maybe there's hope potential Newcastle investors will run down here! :-)

[Crouchie's Lawyer]

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism?

 

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

Thats the first sign of madness isnt it? Talking to yourself?

 

In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually.

 

Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing.

 

Or you could look at it on the basis that due to the credit crunch, people are cutting out the luxuries in life and cannot merit spending £50-£60 for two people to go to a match every two weeks. Especially to watch CCC football (and not very good at that). Dare I sound a little stereotypical however Geordies dont seem the most intelligent people on this planet and most have unquestionable loyalty, so much so, I would imagine they would rather go to a match than pay their mortgage. And for all my love of SFC, I would rather live in a house and not have football than live on the streets and follow a team.

 

I can undoubtably see that going to games and filling the staduim is really the only way out of this mess at the moment, however, unless I can aquire a sponsor or can blag free tickets, I simply (like many others at the moment I presume) cannot afford to fork out £xx's a month to watch the lads play. I shall have to suffice with Sky games and the radio for my support.

 

Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe?

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

 

I think if you stopped being a c*ckle people wouldnt mind you so much.

 

And while im at it, why is this feckin takeover thread still running? Lowe is not going to sell his shares or recommend his proxies sell theirs for what he considers under valued and no one is going to pay over the odds for the club so we are in stalemate.

 

People are wasting so much time on these takeover theads, they have been running for over 18 months now and we have nothing. Think of all that wasted time!

[Whitey Grandad]

And while im at it, why is this feckin takeover thread still running? Lowe is not going to sell his shares or recommend his proxies sell theirs for what he considers under valued and no one is going to pay over the odds for the club so we are in stalemate.

 

People are wasting so much time on these takeover theads, they have been running for over 18 months now and we have nothing. Think of all that wasted time!

It was only last week that some people were saying how quiet this forum was!

[trousers]

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

 

Greetings my Lord.

 

How's the Performance Exhaust Systems market fairing in the current economic climate?

[itchen]

From today's Guardian

 

DUBAI, Sept 17 (Reuters) - English second-tier soccer team Burnley are looking for an investor from the oil-rich Gulf states to develop the club and steer them to the Premier League.

 

Majority owner and property developer Brendan Flood admitted he was seeking to bring Middle Eastern funding and players to the humble northern England team, which competes in the Championship, the second tier of English soccer.

 

"It's a club with super-sized ambition and we need an investor with a super-sized cheque book," Flood told Dubai-based magazine, Arabian Business. "It could help fulfil a lot for us."

The move comes after the recent takeover of Manchester City by Abu Dhabi investors and media reports of interest by United Arab Emirates businessmen in Newcastle United and Liverpool.

 

Flood said he was seeking $50 million to renovate Burnley's 126-year-old Turf Moor stadium and was also keen to take players from the Gulf on loan to boost the club's performance.

Burnley are 12th in the Championship table on eight points, having won two of their six games this season.

[trousers]

From today's Guardian

 

DUBAI, Sept 17 (Reuters) - English second-tier soccer team Burnley are looking for an investor from the oil-rich Gulf states to develop the club and steer them to the Premier League.

 

Majority owner and property developer Brendan Flood admitted he was seeking to bring Middle Eastern funding and players to the humble northern England team, which competes in the Championship, the second tier of English soccer.

 

"It's a club with super-sized ambition and we need an investor with a super-sized cheque book," Flood told Dubai-based magazine, Arabian Business. "It could help fulfil a lot for us."

The move comes after the recent takeover of Manchester City by Abu Dhabi investors and media reports of interest by United Arab Emirates businessmen in Newcastle United and Liverpool.

 

Flood said he was seeking $50 million to renovate Burnley's 126-year-old Turf Moor stadium and was also keen to take players from the Gulf on loan to boost the club's performance.

Burnley are 12th in the Championship table on eight points, having won two of their six games this season.

 

Oi...Flood....join the back of the queue, pal

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism?

 

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually.

 

Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing.

 

Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe?

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

 

Here goes, probable infraction coming my way!

 

Why do it then?

 

Because you,Sundance, are a particularly nasty piece of work. You complain about other's hostile speech and criticism and yet you glory in all manifests of the derogatory English against your 'fellow' fans. You talk of building bridges, of inverted snobbery and in the next breath you patronise and insult people.

 

Well, you really are an,ah so, that's your ploy! Get it so that all who differ from you leave this forum and then you and Scabby can have it all to yourselves and send your 3 posts a day, congratulating yourselves that you have rid the forum of all the 'flat caps'. Well, go to it Sundunce because we'll be around for a lot longer than you can count on.

[JustMike]

Is this above not an example of hostile speech and criticism?

 

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

In the past 10 years who has done more to keep this club self-sufficient and in the face of an undeserving barrage of abuse from about 10% of deeply ignorant and mindless fans. Rupert Lowe or Duncan Holley? If the latter had to face half the unwarranted abuse the former had in the past 3 years IMO he would have disappeared down his sulk-hole a lot quicker than he did eventually.

 

Even 50,000 geordies who are happy to bite the hand that feeds realise that they will be responsible for their own downfall if they don't continue to go to matches even though their supposed nemesis Ashley remains. Half our fanbase doesn't appear to be that intelligent or devoid of all logical analysis. I'm no fan of Ashley mainly because of the way he conducts himself personally, trying to ingratiate himself with the fans, but I would love him now to pull all his funding and watch Keegan (a dog who had his last day 3 years ago) and his romantic followers try and survive in the premiership without his backing.

 

Owners and chairman who clearly work hard for the club and make their contribution financially or through hard work and expertise and then get vilified by the fan base for every decision the fans don't support quite frankly should shaft the club and walk away and leave it to the dreamers. IMO dreamers are people like Crouch and Keegan and in our case the stay away fans and those who have a childish paddywhack just because of a call with Lowe who in turn was a bit rude - can you blame Lowe?

 

Yeah, get me off, so this forum can become even more sterile for you to all have a love in and suck eachother's ****s safe in the knowledge no one is going to challenge your arrogant presumptions that someone better than Lowe will save you. They won't so take a big dose of reality and get behind the team you're embarassing yourselves.

 

certainly not Mr Lowe.

[Guided Missile]

Talking out of your arse Sundance - need to do a bit better than that son. Mike Ashley has put SIGNIFICANT MONEY into NUFC which is why I have empathy with him and cleared NUFC's debts. Yes, he's being badly advised but even so, some of the Toon Army should pull their head in.

Is this the same Mike Ashley the ****ney wide boy who, according to the Times "sold the City a pup with the flotation of his company, Sports Direct, one of the most overpriced share issues since the dot-com bubble burst, and remains a hugely divisive presence, frequently dismissing the predictions of experts and calling Philip Dorgan, a critical analyst at Panmure Gordon, a corporate and institutional stockbroker and investment bank, a “moron”? The same Mike Ashley, the diehard Newcastle fan who "has informed the proposed buyers that the club is priced at £481 million. This is in stark contrast to the £130 million he bought the club for back in 2007.

Whilst Ashley has since ploughed funds into St James’ Park, thought to be in the region of £100 million, the valuation is certainly an enormous figure and one that may detract any potential investors."

I can only imagine the reactions if Lowe did that to Saints....

[Ponty]

Ashley claims to have put a quarter of a billion in.

[Guided Missile]

Ashley claims to have put a quarter of a billion in.

Not according to Ashley:

 

"Ashley issued an emotional defence of his 16-month stewardship, claiming that the club “might not have survived” without his £244 million investment, £110 million of which, he said, was to reduce, if not clear debts." (The Times - September 15th)

It was £134 million to buy the club and £110 million to reduce the debt.

He wants £481 million for it.....

[Wes Tender]

I am a Saints supporter and the majority of my comments are directed at fans whose soporific posts or those whose whinging views and damaging actions I consider detrimental to the club.

 

 

Says the guy who has made soporific posts into an artform....

 

And the biggest hypocrite too, as he somehow thinks that criticism of Lowe is detrimental to the club, but was the most vociferous critic of the previous chairman.

[Saint Billy]

certainly not Mr Lowe.

 

Makes you wonder!

[Master Bates]

Makes you wonder!

 

Is that cat a virgin getting ready for you to conduct a virgin sacrifice?

[Barfy]

Ashley claims to have put a quarter of a billion in.

 

Not according to Ashley:

 

"Ashley issued an emotional defence of his 16-month stewardship, claiming that the club “might not have survived” without his £244 million investment, £110 million of which, he said, was to reduce, if not clear debts." (The Times - September 15th)

It was £134 million to buy the club and £110 million to reduce the debt.

He wants £481 million for it.....

 

That's quite a contradiction in one post

[saint1977]

Is this the same Mike Ashley the ****ney wide boy who, according to the Times "sold the City a pup with the flotation of his company, Sports Direct, one of the most overpriced share issues since the dot-com bubble burst, and remains a hugely divisive presence, frequently dismissing the predictions of experts and calling Philip Dorgan, a critical analyst at Panmure Gordon, a corporate and institutional stockbroker and investment bank, a “moron”? The same Mike Ashley, the diehard Newcastle fan who "has informed the proposed buyers that the club is priced at £481 million. This is in stark contrast to the £130 million he bought the club for back in 2007.

Whilst Ashley has since ploughed funds into St James’ Park, thought to be in the region of £100 million, the valuation is certainly an enormous figure and one that may detract any potential investors."

I can only imagine the reactions if Lowe did that to Saints....

 

I don't doubt that he's an unpleasant man GM for a moment and there's no freeckin way that he's going to get £481m for that Geordie shower with no land or development potential around it. Nevertheless, think what £100m would have done at SFC? Newcastle were highly likely to be fighting administration and were struggling to service their debts when Ashley came in and they can't say that now. Lowe is the front man here, he's acting to protect a 6% investment and I've no gripes with that, it's old man Askham who's put in erm,erm, erm, nothing and taken a lot out, mostly at our (the fans) expense. Mugs like us GM that drive in from meetings around the region for midweek games and pee yet more bad cash into that scumbag's pockets. I do take your point on baord and there's a lot of merit in it but you can't compare Ashley to our lot. Rupert and Cowan are the only ones who have amde anything of themselves - compare it to Wiseman who was booted out of the FA for dodgy expenses. Must have learned that after years in the same boardroom as Askham.

 

Ashley will flog it if he can for about £300m. I don't like the guy or any of the billionaires that have turned the national game into a chav's bling playground GM but Newcastle haven't done that badly out of him.

[Saint Billy]

Is that cat a virgin getting ready for you to conduct a virgin sacrifice?

 

You leave my pussy alone!

 

Just because i'm in awe of your avatar!

[Master Bates]

You leave my pussy alone!

 

Just because i'm in awe of your avatar!

 

Fair enough, hope you don't mind me saying that you have a relaxing looking pussy.

[trousers]

Hmmmm.....

 

Dubai says ‘no’ to Ashley after

he drinks ****tail in public

 

By Matt Lawton and Colin Young Last updated at 11:49 PM on 17th September 2008

 

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For a man desperate to sell his football club, Mike Ashley seems to be going about it in a funny way.

The Newcastle United owner is in Dubai with chairman Derek Llambias, executive director Dennis Wise and head of recruitment Tony Jimenez, in an effort to secure a buyer.

 

Beer we go: Mike Ashley on a night out

 

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But attempts to double his money with an asking price of £481million have been rejected. Yesterday there were allegations that Ashley snubbed a meeting with a Dubai consortium and caused offence by drinking in public during Ramadan.

These claims came as, back home, Wigan Athletic chairman Dave Whelan branded Ashley as unfit to run a football club and deserving of the stick he is getting.

A photograph of Ashley allegedly drinking ****tails appeared on the Arabian Business website, with the claim that he had opted to head for the bar rather than a meeting with potential buyers.

Associates of Ashley deny this but it was reported that the billionaire businessman refused to go to the meeting when he discovered they were prepared to offer only £200m. Ashley had asked for more than double that in documents handed to representatives of Dubai ruler Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al- Maktoum.

A Dubai group indicated they would offer considerably less but a meeting was nevertheless set up at the Madinat Jumeirah Hotel. While Ashley's camp claim Jimenez attended as Newcastle's representative, Arabian Business described Ashley's decision to go drinking with Wise and Llambias as a snub.

So far, attempts to stir up interest in Dubai are floundering. Last night, a statement from Dubai Investment Group read: 'Following incorrect media speculation about Newcastle Football Club, Dubai Investment Group can confirm that it is not involved in any negotiations to buy Newcastle Football Club, nor does it plan to do so in the future.'

A spokesman for Dubai Sports City said much the same, insisting the three businessmen who privately own the $40billion development are 'not interested' either. Zabeel Investments, owned by Al-Maktoum, appear to have left the door slightly ajar even though chairman Mohammed Ali Al-Hashimi insisted he has had no direct contact with Newcastle or their representatives. 'We have not had any contact and I am not interested in any English Premier League club right now,' he told Arabian Business.

One City source criticised Ashley and said: 'What he's reported to be doing in the Middle East sounds like Loony Tunes to me – sheer lunacy. It's all unbelievable. Had it not been for Ashley, a deal could have been done by now, 'Plus, that starting price was ridiculous. They just won't do business in Dubai with such an inflated price. It was simply a plain stupid move and who knows what this guy will do next.'

Ashley has turned for help to Keith Harris, the former Football League chairman who secured the deals that saw Icelanders take over West Ham, Randy Lerner buy Aston Villa and Thaksin Shinawatra take charge of Manchester City. Whelan added to the criticism of Ashley yesterday and said: 'I know Mike Ashley quite well because I was running JJB when he was with Sports Direct, and he is a bit unusual.

He is a very good retailer, but at managing a football club, no. 'Especially with him being a Tottenham supporter and then going up to Newcastle, a club that is a different kettle of fish to most in the land.

'The fans up there eat, breathe and live for one thing, and that is Newcastle United. Unless you put your whole heart into it, they will give you some stick. He has got it and he deserves it.'

Newcastle were unavailable comment last night.

...I wonder how long will it be before some conspiracy theorist links our failure to secure middle east funds with an allegded "drink problem" too....not me, that's for sure.

 

Ashley has turned for help to Keith Harris....

 

Good luck

[Weston Super Saint]

Hmmmm.....

 

...I wonder how long will it be before some conspiracy theorist links our failure to secure middle east funds with an allegded "drink problem" too....not me, that's for sure.

 

 

 

Good luck

 

Do you think it's the drink that has caused the dramatic change???

 

 

 

[OldNick]

That's quite a contradiction in one post

isnt 224m nearly quater of a billion then?

[Weston Super Saint]

isnt 224m nearly quater of a billion then?

 

Depends.

 

Isn't a billion a thousand million Dollars, but a million million pounds??

[trousers]

Do you think it's the drink that has caused the dramatic change???

 

 

 

 

Dramatic change in what area?

 

Apologies, I was trying to be as tangential as possible and probably succeeded too well....

[Weston Super Saint]

Dramatic change in what area?

 

Apologies, I was trying to be as tangential as possible and probably succeeded too well....

 

I know.

 

I got bored [as usual] on the takeover fred, and thought posting an almost naked bodybuilder would liven things up a bit.

 

I couldn't find any nearly naked pictures of drunk [allegedly] Scottish managers

[OldNick]

Depends.

 

Isn't a billion a thousand million Dollars, but a million million pounds??

it used to be a million million in my understanding but I think now its a 1000m. i must look at my bank statement to see

[dubai_phil]

Hmmmm.....

 

...I wonder how long will it be before some conspiracy theorist links our failure to secure middle east funds with an allegded "drink problem" too....not me, that's for sure.

 

 

 

Good luck

 

That story sounds like bullsh*t PR spin from someone in the media who has it in for Ashley..

 

1) It is Ramadan. All businesses, work a reduced 6 hour day as muslim employees are fasting. Virtually all the Dubai Holdings/DIC operations work 08:00 until 14:00

2) Bars are only allowed to open to serve alcohol from 19:30 - 01:00

3) The Dubai Government team will be local Gulf Arabs (the Al-Hashimi's are a large and well respected family) the evenings are a time for sitting, talking, reflecting local culture and eating

4) There would not be a "business meeting" in the evening, there may be an invitation to attend a Ramadan tent. Any evening meeting would be a relationship building "social meet"

 

Anyone attempting to come down here and do business without understanding the culture, especially at this time of the year always fails, but in this case the concept of having a meeting at night to discuss a multi-million pound project and to expect to get a deal done.

 

LMFAO

[dubai_phil]

Oh, and another thing that shows Ashley is a complete c*ck is the way he let's the world know he has problems, needs to get out and THEN expects one of the World's more educated and intelligent leaders to pay 3 times the value of the business.

 

Sooner he sods off out of here the better. As a desirable Brit in Dubai I'd put him and his mates at the same level as Michelle Palmer

 

Hmm in fact may pop down there tonight and tell him to his face

[Weston Super Saint]

Oh, and another thing that shows Ashley is a complete c*ck is the way he let's the world know he has problems, needs to get out and THEN expects one of the World's more educated and intelligent leaders to pay 3 times the value of the business.

 

Sooner he sods off out of here the better. As a desirable Brit in Dubai I'd put him and his mates at the same level as Michelle Palmer

 

Hmm in fact may pop down there tonight and tell him to his face

 

Is that the Mrs Palmer who has five lovely daughters?

[trousers]

Oh, and another thing that shows Ashley is a complete c*ck is the way he let's the world know he has problems, needs to get out and THEN expects one of the World's more educated and intelligent leaders to pay 3 times the value of the business.

 

Sooner he sods off out of here the better. As a desirable Brit in Dubai I'd put him and his mates at the same level as Michelle Palmer

 

Hmm in fact may pop down there tonight and tell him to his face

 

Anyway, back to these potentially interesting earlobes in the Director's box last night.....