How long for Capello ? sweepstake

[Badger]

Gone by Wednesday (hope).

[Give it to Ron]

Its typical of us fickle fans but after the Algeria game I lost all hope with him - he went from hero to zero with me. How you sit there for 65 mins watching us struggle and then swap a midget for a midget!

 

Today bringing on Heskey at 4-1....why??? Please someone tell me why I just can't see any sane reason...7 goals in 61 appearances is he going to suddenly get a hat-trick?

Rooney was abysmal in all games yet stayed on.....why? How many times did he give the ball away today in the forst 30 minutes?

Prima Donnas the lot of them and Capello isn't man enough to manage their egoes.

[Saint in Paradise]

To be a bit fair to Mr Capello if he can't sort out those prima donnas I think others will also find it very difficult as well.

Paying people over 100,000 per week will not help players realise they are not very good.

[View From The Top]

When Capello was appointed I was delighted and convinced that he'd win us a major trophy and after the qualifiying games there was no reason not to believe.

 

After watching the capitulation of England it is obvious to me that he can't.

[equalizer]

Its typical of us fickle fans but after the Algeria game I lost all hope with him - he went from hero to zero with me. How you sit there for 65 mins watching us struggle and then swap a midget for a midget!

 

Today bringing on Heskey at 4-1....why??? Please someone tell me why I just can't see any sane reason...7 goals in 61 appearances is he going to suddenly get a hat-trick?

Rooney was abysmal in all games yet stayed on.....why? How many times did he give the ball away today in the forst 30 minutes?

Prima Donnas the lot of them and Capello isn't man enough to manage their egoes.

 

Heskey must have blackmail photo's of people high up in the FA, it can be the only reason why he gets picked!

[Barney Trubble]

You can have any manager in the world......he'll still have the same players to pick from.....they are the problem.

 

Yes, Capello got thing's wrong but so has every manager before him. The problem is the players, they are just not good enough or have the hunger. It's time to look outside the insular belief that if players are any good, they'd be playing for Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelseat etc.......the margins are not that great between a player who plays for them or the likes of Fulham, Wigan, Wolves etc. Steve Bull scored goals for fun, even scored them for England, he was not technically as talented as say, Defoe etc but the goal stays the same size and never moves and if you gave him a chance, he would hit the target.

 

I think we over-analyse the supposed brilliance of the likes of Lampard and Gerrard just because they do it in a very average Premier League.

[Give it to Ron]

You can have any manager in the world......he'll still have the same players to pick from.....they are the problem.

 

Yes, Capello got thing's wrong but so has every manager before him. The problem is the players, they are just not good enough or have the hunger. It's time to look outside the insular belief that if players are any good, they'd be playing for Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelseat etc.......the margins are not that great between a player who plays for them or the likes of Fulham, Wigan, Wolves etc. Steve Bull scored goals for fun, even scored them for England, he was not technically as talented as say, Defoe etc but the goal stays the same size and never moves and if you gave him a chance, he would hit the target.

 

I think we over-analyse the supposed brilliance of the likes of Lampard and Gerrard just because they do it in a very average Premier League.

 

Not for one minute am I excusing those waste of spaces - no pride, passion or self shame,

 

However, Capello is the leader, whenever the team is looking for inspiration or a decision he never made ONE that counted. He lay down to the pampered over hyped numpties . Everyone could see we were crap up front and Rooney was shocking so why was he allowed to stay on and show petulence and be the spoilt brat he is? Capello should of hoiked him off at half time against Algeria - just maybe they needed to be set an example but no Capello just

sat there waving his arms.

He may be a fantastic club manager but he is not the man to lead England he doesnt have the charachter needed.

[Nexstar]

I can't decide, but if Capello goes I want Redknapp in, no doubt.

[RonManager]

I can't decide, but if Capello goes I want Redknapp in, no doubt

 

 

I like your thinking. I think.

[Saints foreva]

I can't decide, but if Capello goes I want Redknapp in, no doubt.

 

He would be a decent appointment but because of what he done here I wouldn't bother with England if he was appointed.

[JackFrost]

We could have Roy Hodgson as manager, or Guus Hiddink as manager and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

 

Sure Capello has made mistakes but if he can't get those prima donnas motivated and playing with some heart then no one can. So long as the players have 100 grand going in to their bank account, performing for England will be an unwanted effort, not a privilege. Not one of them takes responsibility and watchin them play is watching 11 players passing the buck.

 

Call me cynical but IMO in the last 10 years at least the FA appear to be picking the team, and they are picking the team based on how many replica shirts they will sell. Capello would have dropped the underperforming players by now, it doesn't make sense. He is not afraid to upset egos, but there are certain players like Lampard, Rooney, Terry, Rio etc. will start every game when fit no matter how badly they play, (regardless of how good Crouch's goalscoring record is) Sven & McClanger appeared to do what they were told. I personally think Sven had no say in Theo going to the 2006 world cup. The England team have turned into a marketing product and IMO the manager is largely there for the ride. . . .

Edited 27 June, 2010 by JackFrost

[Badger]

The England team have turned into a marketing product and IMO the manager is largely there for the ride. . . .

 

Certainly true in Sven's case.

[Badger]

I can't decide, but if Capello goes I want Redknapp in, no doubt.

 

He would be a decent appointment but because of what he done here I wouldn't bother with England if he was appointed.

 

It occurred to me earlier that perhaps Harry might not be too keen on a job away from club management as he enjoys the 'day to day' involvement,and of course the transfer activity side of things at club level.

 

But do you think Harry's squad selection could in anyway be influenced by agents (of players) with whom he has previously established a rapport?

 

Doubt The FA will go the Harry route with the issues hanging over him though.

[Andy_Porter]

We need to get rid of Gerrard, Terry, Rio, Lampard and Heskey - they have had so many chances and not performed for us. If those five really cared they would just retire now, Steven Gerrard in particular is a complete **** the way he runs around the pitch in every position but the one he's supposed to be in, he kills the midfield and we lose all sort of shape just because he think he's superman when in reality he's very average (on current form) and obviously far more interested in Liverpool than England.

 

Blood in youngsters like Johnson, Lennon, Walcott, Rodwell, Cahill (the **** wasn't he at the WC?), Delph, Cattermole, Milner, Shawcross, Richards, Wilshere, C Cole etc

 

Hart / Johnson - Cahill - Jagielka - Cole / Milner - Rodwell - Barry - Johnson / Wilshere / Rooney

 

A team like that would do a lot better at euro 2012 than the **** we've been fielding at this tournament.

[saintkiptanui]

I can't decide, but if Capello goes I want Redknapp in, no doubt.

Seriously just **** off you f*ckin tard

[sadoldgit]

Remember when we said play the Sints kids, they couldn't do any worse. We did and they did!

I hav eno problem with a foreign coach but they should be able to speak the langauage. If the can't communicate with the players what is the point?

We do have some decent players, what we don't have is a team.

[Badger]

Remember when we said play the Sints kids, they couldn't do any worse. We did and they did!

I hav eno problem with a foreign coach but they should be able to speak the langauage. If the can't communicate with the players what is the point?

We do have some decent players, what we don't have is a team.

 

I felt the "language barrier" was just used as a bit of a shield in his post match interview on BBC today.

 

Totally agree with your last point,good individuals - who are largely in it as individuals and egos - rather than a team.

[stevegrant]

The Capello experiment has merely proven that no matter whether you've got one of the best managers in the world or not, a turd is still a turd.

[Andy_Porter]

The Capello experiment has merely proven that no matter whether you've got one of the best managers in the world or not, a turd is still a turd.

 

I'm not so sure, look at what Hiddink has done with various nations at the would cup. All we needed to do was score a goal against Algeria and we would have had **** easy route to the semi's and everyone would be calling Capello a genius. =/

 

Oh well

[Whitey Grandad]

I'm not so sure, look at what Hiddink has done with various nations at the would cup. All we needed to do was score a goal against Algeria and we would have had **** easy route to the semi's and everyone would be calling Capello a genius. =/

 

I think I see the flaw in your argument there.

[Badger]

I'm not so sure, look at what Hiddink has done with various nations at the would cup. All we needed to do was score a goal against Algeria and we would have had **** easy route to the semi's and everyone would be calling Capello a genius. =/

 

Oh well

 

That wasn't asking a lot was it ?

[Whitey Grandad]

Let me see.... Fly back tomorrow, meeting on Tuesday, statement Tuesday afternoon at 15:52. You read it here first.

[sandwichsaint]

I'm not so sure, look at what Hiddink has done with various nations at the would cup. All we needed to do was score a goal against Algeria and we would have had **** easy route to the semi's and everyone would be calling Capello a genius. =/

 

Oh well

 

And England would have beaten Ghana....?

 

might have got 0-0 on a good day.

[ooohTerryHurlock]

What did he do here? IYO?

[St Landrew]

Capello is a perfectly good enough manager. However, if I was in his position, I might say enough is enough, because he'll never get the respect he deserves, if he didn't have it before. This World Cup failure is down to these players. They played OK in qualification, gave no clues as to how they were going to fail, and then failed. What is anyone suppose to do, bring a magic wand..?

 

SGE pandered to their wants and desires and that was supposedly wrong. McLaren treated them like intelligent individuals, and that was supposedly wrong. Capello has played Sergeant Major to them, and that is supposedly wrong. You ask them why they fail and they are clueless. They don't know why they play so badly. At heart they are working class lads, whose skill is in their feet, not their heads, and who can't believe how much money they earn every week in those little part-time jobs they call being a professional footballer. And then there is responsibility they have to shoulder when it comes to World Championship competition time. And there is no hiding place anymore. And so the occasion gets to them.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

To be a bit fair to Mr Capello if he can't sort out those prima donnas I think others will also find it very difficult as well.

Paying people over 100,000 per week will not help players realise they are not very good.

 

+1 .

[trousers]

How about this for an off-top-of-head idea....

 

The FA introduces a cricket style 'central contract' system for anyone picked for the 'core' England squad.

 

They then get paid directly by the FA rather than by their clubs. The FA receive wage payments from the players' parent clubs and but the players are paid on a 'pay as you win for England' basis rather than based on club performances.

 

That way, any player worth his salt can still be paid millions like they do today bit they earn it through national team performances.

 

Win win

[John B]

I think paying Capello £6m is ridiculous but getting rid of managers is counter productive I would have thought.

 

The main problem is that we dont have the players Terry was slow I thought in 2006 and even slower in 2010

 

Upson is just not good enough as can be said for a number of others .

 

 

You could say that Walcott would have made a difference as well as Crouch but at World Level they probably are not good enough

[Give it to Ron]

Capello is a perfectly good enough manager. However, if I was in his position, I might say enough is enough, because he'll never get the respect he deserves, if he didn't have it before. This World Cup failure is down to these players. They played OK in qualification, gave no clues as to how they were going to fail, and then failed. What is anyone suppose to do, bring a magic wand..?

/QUOTE]

 

People have to earn respect...how can anyone respect a manager that leaves a struggling side for 65 minutes against Algeria then swaps an identical type of player? How can you respect a manger that picks Emile Heskey over Peter Crouch...7 goals in 61 games.

I know I may not know as much as some on here but I always thought a centre forward was meant to score goals.

Perhaps we should of sent Brett Ormerod?

4-1 and you bring on Heskey FFS.

[Doctoroncall]

Capello is a perfectly good enough manager. However, if I was in his position, I might say enough is enough, because he'll never get the respect he deserves, if he didn't have it before. This World Cup failure is down to these players. They played OK in qualification, gave no clues as to how they were going to fail, and then failed. What is anyone suppose to do, bring a magic wand..?

 

SGE pandered to their wants and desires and that was supposedly wrong. McLaren treated them like intelligent individuals, and that was supposedly wrong. Capello has played Sergeant Major to them, and that is supposedly wrong. You ask them why they fail and they are clueless. They don't know why they play so badly. At heart they are working class lads, whose skill is in their feet, not their heads, and who can't believe how much money they earn every week in those little part-time jobs they call being a professional footballer. And then there is responsibility they have to shoulder when it comes to World Championship competition time. And there is no hiding place anymore. And so the occasion gets to them.

 

I agree in part, our footballers have the skill but it seems not the capacity to utilise it, certainly not in the national team. Also, if they don't agree with the manager then they don't give 100% - why they don't have trust in the manager I don't know, however some of the decisions Capello has made have baffled me.

 

Capello had toured the country in search of talent and found none. Ashley Young, Gabriel Agbonlahor and even Theo Walcott were discarded. The manager was surely right to conclude that English football's "nursery" is not producing. National coaching programmes and strategic planning are not the English way (Burton anyone?). Feeding the Premier League monster shows what the priority is in England. The FA, where a vast power void now prevails, throw money at 44 years of frustration by importing first Swedish then Italian expertise and locking themselves into expensive long contracts.

 

It's time for a clear out of the old guard at the FA and for Brooking to be taken seriously, but if there is one guarantee, it won't happend and the FA will not change from it's course.

[Nexstar]

Seriously just **** off you f*ckin tard

 

I can't decide if I want Capello out or not.........now you name a better English manager to have as England coach than Redknapp, Hodgson I would be happy with also.

[saints_is_the_south]

I really think 99% of the blame has to lay at the players' door. Capello sure made some strange decisions with his selections and subs but he has not won all that he has in his career by being a bad manager, he is one of the best. This so called "golden generation" of English players have now failed under 3 different managers, that would suggest to me that the players simply aren't good enough and very overrated. I said when Capello was appointed if a manager like him with the honours that he has won can't win anything for England then I don't think anybody will for a long long time.

[Doctoroncall]

I really think 99% of the blame has to lay at the players' door. Capello sure made some strange decisions with his selections and subs but he has not won all that he has in his career by being a bad manager, he is one of the best. This so called "golden generation" of English players have now failed under 3 different managers, that would suggest to me that the players simply aren't good enough and very overrated. I said when Capello was appointed if a manager like him with the honours that he has won can't win anything for England then I don't think anybody will for a long long time.

 

But when he picks Heskey over any other Englsih striker, SWP who has been replaced in the Citeh side by Johnson, "only last 45 mins" King, "Liverpool over England anyday" Carragher, what does that tell you? Can he not pick a team based on form, ability AND composite as a TEAM? Did he only see this as one last payday?

[Gorgiesaint]

It's time for a clear out of the old guard at the FA and for Brooking to be taken seriously, but if there is one guarantee, it won't happend and the FA will not change from it's course.

 

Agree with this but Brooking has to be part of the clearout as well. He is the one who is advocating our kids playing 11 aside football on full size pitches at eleven years old. How does that help? They need small sided games (5 or 7) on small pitches with the emphasis on coaching skills. I was listening to the radio yesterday & one of the Blackburn youth coaches phoned in, he bans his goalkeeper from kicking the ball out of his hands when they play 7 aside on a small pitch. He then gets the receiving player to do a trick before passing the ball on. It breeds confidence of playing in tight situations. The problem is that teams he play against our coached to shoot on sight as its a small pitch - one team even coached their goalkeeper to shoot! Until the coaching system is sorted in this country nothing will get better.

[Joensuu]

Nobody can doubt Capello's club management record: Milan, Real Madrid, Roma, Juve. But managing a national squad is a very different thing. Skills such as, identifying targets, working on a budget, improving youth etc are all completely redundant. There are only 4 skills you need to excel in:

1. Squad selection
   
2. Tactics & substitutes
   
3. Moral (team talks etc)
   
4. Media relations.
   

Capello has some talented players at his disposal, who have edged him through qualifying. However, during the world cup, his squad selection, tactics, substitutions have all been awful. The motivation of the squad need to be questioned. In sum, Capello has failed to demonstrate any of the essential qualities of an International manager.

 

This is also why I wouldn't replace him with Redkrapp. Harry's primary skill as a manager is his ability to find talented players at cut cost prices. He is a good club manager, but mainly because of a skill which can't be transfered to the international game. He also has the axe of HMRC hovering above him, the FA would be crazy to associate themselves with his upcoming demise.

 

Gus Hiddink is for me the best International manager in the game. He seems to consistantly take average teams, and make them excel. He selects players others have overlooked, make sensible substutions, his teams seem to be carried by their high moral. I'm sure Gus would have identified the weaknesses in the England squad before the World Cup, he'd have plugged these gaps with less talented, but more determined players from the lower Premier League, or perhaps even upper Championship. The wasted spaces taken up by the likes of Heskey, Green, King, Warnock, Carrick, Milner etc, would have all been put to better use. Come on FA, appoint Gus.

 

What annoys me most about the Capello is the renegotiation of his contract, why on earth did the FA agree to remove the release clause in his contract only 5 weeks ago? We could have been shot of this stubborn liability already had the FA not messed up again. He's not got the skills for the international game. Appoint someone who has.

 

Sure the players didn't turn up, but for me 99% of the blame has to lie with the manager.

[Doctoroncall]

Agree with this but Brooking has to be part of the clearout as well. He is the one who is advocating our kids playing 11 aside football on full size pitches at eleven years old. How does that help? They need small sided games (5 or 7) on small pitches with the emphasis on coaching skills. I was listening to the radio yesterday & one of the Blackburn youth coaches phoned in, he bans his goalkeeper from kicking the ball out of his hands when they play 7 aside on a small pitch. He then gets the receiving player to do a trick before passing the ball on. It breeds confidence of playing in tight situations. The problem is that teams he play against our coached to shoot on sight as its a small pitch - one team even coached their goalkeeper to shoot! Until the coaching system is sorted in this country nothing will get better.

 

Thanks for that, something I didn't know. I read his blueprint on development a few years ago and it looked good with some ideas from the continent and on how to improve coaching (masterclasses etc). It doesn't seem right for 11 year olds to be playing on big pitches, surely the focus at that age is on fun and technical skills rather than competition and physical development.