it would be better on here if we had lost

[gjphilsaint]

please leave these threads alone and PM each other with your fights.. ty.

[Alan56]

Good to see you post a positive followed by your normal negative slating.

 

Pretty true reflection on the game though. We were kept in it by KD first half!!

[solentstars]

could we rename this thread the moaners and lowe wilde haters forum and then we can spend more time talking about the football on the other threads.

[John]

Just the other day the wrist slitters were telling us that the club was finished and that we were going down. They were also telling us that if Pearson had stayed (3 wins in 13 competitive matches - win currently have 4 in less) things would be better.

 

Beating Doncaster hardly makes us world beaters, but I can remember seasons when we couldn't buy an away win, and we are only 4 points off the play off places. The same people who would have us believe that Lowe is the devil and is taking us to hell pointed at Crystal Palace as where we should be....hmmmm.

 

Next time we lose they will be back again revelling in our demise, just a shame they can't keep their negativity for the day we actually do fall apart rather than the games when we fail to emulate Manchester United.

 

We are a CCC club trying to make ends meet and relying on a lot of youngsters who, it is hoped, with the experience they gain this year will make us a better team next year and the year after that. There will always be fans with no pateince who expect eveything over night, trouble is they are pulling us down and depressing the hell out of us.

 

I suggest they all go off with Alpine and watch cheap and cheerfful football in Austria.

 

The reality for Saints fans for the immediate future is not pretty, but it is what suporting a football team is all about. You stick with them through thick and thin. Enjoy the good times and keep supporting your teams when times are not so good.

 

You miss the point. We're not revelling in the demise of SLH PLC...we just understand that results on the pitch are now totally irrelevant. The business is going under. We're entitled to be a little annoyed. We support the team as we have always done and we want them to win; but we also see the inevitable for what it is. If you choose to live in dreamland good for you...it's probably a nicer place to be at the moment...but it's going to be harder for you when reality bites.

[Leicestersaint]

Got back from the UK on Tuesday but yesterday was the first day back on this board as I really can't face the negativity and in-fighting as epitomised on this thread.

 

I saw two games on my visit to the UK - both the draws at SMS. My previous visit at Christmas I saw two losses and from that perspective we are now showing so much more effort and not a little skill at times. We lack experience, Surman is no full-back and we need someone who can score. In the formation we had against Barnsley SJ gave the ball away a lot so how we integrate him into the team I don't know.

 

It's a worrying time for us but I think that with a young team you can expect improvement whereas with past-it old pros you sometimes get them just going through the motions. Having said that I'm sure Thomas, Euell and Skacel have a contribution to make but people seem to ignore the fact that they are injured/unfit (and possibly unmotivated.. Skacel anyone?). I even feel that JP is not given credit where it is due: you can't criticise him for having a crap boss, and what he says in the press seems sensible, and he's not afraid of judicious criticism of the players either.

 

A scrappy win will help morale, but a thousand or two more on the gate would help too. It was so sad seeing only 15000 on my visits to SMS. I'm sure many of you have good reasons not to go, but I just wish you didn't use Lowilde as your excuse. I dislike them and Askham and have voted my shares against them but I don't let this spill over into some of the more depressing negativity that comes out here.

 

Well said!

[saintwarwick]

Just the other day the wrist slitters were telling us that the club was finished and that we were going down. They were also telling us that if Pearson had stayed (3 wins in 13 competitive matches - win currently have 4 in less) things would be better.

 

Beating Doncaster hardly makes us world beaters, but I can remember seasons when we couldn't buy an away win, and we are only 4 points off the play off places. The same people who would have us believe that Lowe is the devil and is taking us to hell pointed at Crystal Palace as where we should be....hmmmm.

 

Next time we lose they will be back again revelling in our demise, just a shame they can't keep their negativity for the day we actually do fall apart rather than the games when we fail to emulate Manchester United.

 

We are a CCC club trying to make ends meet and relying on a lot of youngsters who, it is hoped, with the experience they gain this year will make us a better team next year and the year after that. There will always be fans with no pateince who expect eveything over night, trouble is they are pulling us down and depressing the hell out of us.

 

I suggest they all go off with Alpine and watch cheap and cheerfful football in Austria.

 

The reality for Saints fans for the immediate future is not pretty, but it is what suporting a football team is all about. You stick with them through thick and thin. Enjoy the good times and keep supporting your teams when times are not so good.

 

Same old boring shiit from SOGGY. Thank foook he's too tight-fisted to fork out a fiver, it means we dont have to put up with any more of his self-perceived wisdom today..

 

I thought that was an excellent post from SOG, please tell me how it's the same old boring sh1t. It's not as though you post sh1t is it :shock:

[View From The Top]

I thought that was an excellent post from SOG, please tell me how it's the same old boring sh1t. It's not as though you post sh1t is it :shock:

 

SOG has been trotting out the same tired old sh1t for ages.

 

Blah, blah, blah, no choice but youngsters. Blah, blah, blah, Lowe is the only choice. Blah, blah, blah, I never go to games but know everything.

 

It comes as no surprise that you'd agree with him.

[dubai_phil]

Well nickh the idea of the thread was right - but anyone who stopped watching News at Ten years ago can tell anyone left in the UK that the ONLY news is Bad News.

 

It's only when you come away that you suddenly understand what those Aussie bstds mean when they go on about Whingeing Poms...

 

So the forum melt down after the Barnsley game but was as quiet as the grave after a (allegedly) scrappy but useful win.

 

So, if I may be so bold, may I hopefully state that I seriously wish - nay even Pray - that this board stays as quiet as the grave for the rest of the season after games.....

 

But no doubt the "admin" hope we are nice and busy on here:-)

 

We need to stabilise the kids so that we can win some games and stay in this league FIRST, then we can play "fight the politics" from maybe November time onwards, ONCE the team has "bedded" (oops with our lot should be "cotted" in...) we can properly turn our attentions and efforts in the right directions (the opposition each week as well as the structure of the club) instead of at each other

[HILL HEAD SAINT]

Well unlike you I want my team to win. Get over it son.

we all want the team to win but nickh is a lowe lovie!

[um pahars]

you'd be beating the moaners off with a stick had we lost today.Get a win and its like the Marie Celeste reunion.

 

Only just noticed this thread.

 

nickh, you really do yourself no favours with posts like this. You'll soon be classed in the same category as Sundance and Scooby if you keep this up (and you're not a patch on GM's style of antagonistic posts!!!).

[saintwarwick]

SOG has been trotting out the same tired old sh1t for ages.

 

Blah, blah, blah, no choice but youngsters. Blah, blah, blah, Lowe is the only choice. Blah, blah, blah, I never go to games but know everything.

 

It comes as no surprise that you'd agree with him.

 

Did you actually read the post from SOG? If so what points do you disagree with. Please also tell me why you posted 'It comes as no surprise you'd agree with him'. I await your reply.

[Sundance Beast]

you'd be beating the moaners off with a stick had we lost today.Get a win and its like the Marie Celeste reunion.

 

Speaks volumes Nick. IMO the majority of posters on this forum actually want this club to fail simply because of a couple of suits who have actually done not a bad job of trying to avoid the abyss of administration. Unfortunately, the one thing then can't control is supporter apathy and hatred and no doubt the impending recession could easily have accounted for 2,000 off the average gate it does not explain why we are not at least getting 18,000.

 

Newcastle fans and their hatred towards Ashley had a drop in attendance to 45,000 but still achieved 86% capacity despite all the idots on here who said they would get around 25k for Blackburn! We on the other hand can barely muster 15,000 for a home game and even allowing for the drop off in Plastics as we are no longer in the Premier a crowd of 24/25k should be achievable in comparison to our peer group and like Newcastle we are a one club city.

 

We can only conclude 85% of Newcastle fans support their team no matter what goes on off the pitch Saints (based on a reasonable expectation of c.24k) can barely muster 60% and under 50% based on capacity. What a great bunch of so called supportes we have, makes you feel proud.

[puff the magic dragon]

Speaks volumes Nick. IMO the majority of posters on this forum actually want this club to fail simply because of a couple of suits who have actually done not a bad job of trying to avoid the abyss of administration. Unfortunately, the one thing then can't control is supporter apathy and hatred and no doubt the impending recession could easily have accounted for 2,000 off the average gate it does not explain why we are not at least getting 18,000.

 

Newcastle fans and their hatred towards Ashley had a drop in attendance to 45,000 but still achieved 86% capacity despite all the idots on here who said they would get around 25k for Blackburn! We on the other hand can barely muster 15,000 for a home game and even allowing for the drop off in Plastics as we are no longer in the Premier a crowd of 24/25k should be achievable in comparison to our peer group and like Newcastle we are a one club city.

 

We can only conclude 85% of Newcastle fans support their team no matter what goes on off the pitch Saints (based on a reasonable expectation of c.24k) can barely muster 60% and under 50% based on capacity. What a great bunch of so called supportes we have, makes you feel proud.

 

We need more supporters like you, scabby and professor.

[buctootim]

It's only when you come away that you suddenly understand what those Aussie bstds mean when they go on about Whingeing Poms...

 

So the forum melt down after the Barnsley game but was as quiet as the grave after a (allegedly) scrappy but useful win.

 

 

I dont think the UK as a whole is predominantly negative - but I do notice the difference when I come back to Southampton. The people I meet in Southampton, my rellies included, do tend to be more downbeat than friends in other parts of the country. Yes sorry, I know I'll get slated, but thats my experience.

[Fan The Flames]

Speaks volumes Nick. IMO the majority of posters on this forum actually want this club to fail simply because of a couple of suits who have actually done not a bad job of trying to avoid the abyss of administration. Unfortunately, the one thing then can't control is supporter apathy and hatred and no doubt the impending recession could easily have accounted for 2,000 off the average gate it does not explain why we are not at least getting 18,000.

 

Newcastle fans and their hatred towards Ashley had a drop in attendance to 45,000 but still achieved 86% capacity despite all the idots on here who said they would get around 25k for Blackburn! We on the other hand can barely muster 15,000 for a home game and even allowing for the drop off in Plastics as we are no longer in the Premier a crowd of 24/25k should be achievable in comparison to our peer group and like Newcastle we are a one club city.

 

We can only conclude 85% of Newcastle fans support their team no matter what goes on off the pitch Saints (based on a reasonable expectation of c.24k) can barely muster 60% and under 50% based on capacity. What a great bunch of so called supportes we have, makes you feel proud.

 

Keep banging your drum maybe one more person will be convinced by same old mish mash of nonsense.

[alpine_saint]

SOG has been trotting out the same tired old sh1t for ages.

 

Blah, blah, blah, no choice but youngsters. Blah, blah, blah, Lowe is the only choice. Blah, blah, blah, I never go to games but know everything.

 

It comes as no surprise that you'd agree with him.

 

Yep, the only thing missing was his ubiquitous "Burley's a better manager than Lawrie was" statistical regurgitation...

[Tamesaint]

Speaks volumes Nick. IMO the majority of posters on this forum actually want this club to fail simply because of a couple of suits who have actually done not a bad job of trying to avoid the abyss of administration. Unfortunately, the one thing then can't control is supporter apathy and hatred and no doubt the impending recession could easily have accounted for 2,000 off the average gate it does not explain why we are not at least getting 18,000.

 

Newcastle fans and their hatred towards Ashley had a drop in attendance to 45,000 but still achieved 86% capacity despite all the idots on here who said they would get around 25k for Blackburn! We on the other hand can barely muster 15,000 for a home game and even allowing for the drop off in Plastics as we are no longer in the Premier a crowd of 24/25k should be achievable in comparison to our peer group and like Newcastle we are a one club city.

 

We can only conclude 85% of Newcastle fans support their team no matter what goes on off the pitch Saints (based on a reasonable expectation of c.24k) can barely muster 60% and under 50% based on capacity. What a great bunch of so called supportes we have, makes you feel proud.

 

 

Still bandying this rubbish about Sundance??

 

How come Newcastle had a gate of 20k on Wednesday night? If they are such great fans why didn't more of them turn up?? By your measurement that makes their ground just 35% full. They were playing Premiership opposition.

 

.. and before you blather on about the Carling Cup being meaningless, we had a larger gate than that a couple of years ago when we played thirdtier opposition in the same competition.

 

But then you never let facts get in the way of your bigoted opinions do you Sundance ???

[OldNick]

we all want the team to win but nickh is a lowe lovie!

thanks for pointing out how dim you are to make a statement like that.

[OldNick]

Only just noticed this thread.

 

nickh, you really do yourself no favours with posts like this. You'll soon be classed in the same category as Sundance and Scooby if you keep this up (and you're not a patch on GM's style of antagonistic posts!!!).

Ump saturday evening after the game I was on the site expecting to have many others on talking about a good result.There was a really slow board and it was evident that there was hardly a soul wanting to talk about the positives.i made a thread that was pertinent and obviously hit home being close to the truth as so many have come on and tried their pathetic abuse.Im cited as a Lowe luvvie because I point out that the usual negative posters were not there and the site was quiet.

I wasnt on saying how well the board had done by selecting Jan and co, but expecting fans to be a little upbeat because we had won a game away.Something that is qulte rare the last decade.Compare that activity to the threads after Barnsley/Ipswich/Rotherham where the really anti club bashers could have a go and would you rather be Leicester than Saints etc etc

[OldNick]

Still bandying this rubbish about Sundance??

 

How come Newcastle had a gate of 20k on Wednesday night? If they are such great fans why didn't more of them turn up?? By your measurement that makes their ground just 35% full. They were playing Premiership opposition.

 

.. and before you blather on about the Carling Cup being meaningless, we had a larger gate than that a couple of years ago when we played thirdtier opposition in the same competition.

 

But then you never let facts get in the way of your bigoted opinions do you Sundance ???

Personally I beleive 14-15k is the hardcore level of Saints support and perhaps even slightly lower.The softcore support is another 10k and the ones who go to see PL and train crashes another potential 10k. There are quite a few who are floating between hardcore and sofcore who have been going for sometime and just had enough of the disappointment. They will be brought back with a little uplift in our prospects, its the 10k plastics who will be harder to attract back.

Im amazed how good our away support was at Donny 958 ffs that is fantastic considering what we have had to put up with recently.

[derry]

Ump saturday evening after the game I was on the site expecting to have many others on talking about a good result.There was a really slow board and it was evident that there was hardly a soul wanting to talk about the positives.i made a thread that was pertinent and obviously hit home being close to the truth as so many have come on and tried their pathetic abuse.Im cited as a Lowe luvvie because I point out that the usual negative posters were not there and the site was quiet.

I wasnt on saying how well the board had done by selecting Jan and co, but expecting fans to be a little upbeat because we had won a game away.Something that is qulte rare the last decade.Compare that activity to the threads after Barnsley/Ipswich/Rotherham where the really anti club bashers could have a go and would you rather be Leicester than Saints etc etc

 

Nick, I wasn't on because I've just got bored with the same prats saying the same thing, week in week out. I really couldn't care less about negativity. Especially from people who don't go to matches, but somehow think that doesn't matter. What's the point in arguing with somebody who hasn't been to watch the team.

 

Great, when we win, a wee bit disapointed with a home draw, better with an away draw, so what we lost, bring on the next game.

 

It's not surprising that people are switching off, watching the same few having a feeding frenzy after a defeat isn't even interesting.

Edited 29 September, 2008 by derry

[Snowballs2]

Having just watched george Osbourne the Tory shadow chancellor wind up his conference speach...I wish I could remember in full his last couple of sentances. It could have been Saints that he was talking about when he asked the realists to be optimistic.

The fact is Saints are probably in better finacial shape right now than UK Plc.

[Chez]

SOG has been trotting out the same tired old sh1t for ages.

 

Blah, blah, blah, no choice but youngsters. Blah, blah, blah, Lowe is the only choice. Blah, blah, blah, I never go to games but know everything.

 

It comes as no surprise that you'd agree with him.

 

I usually avoid these threads but there is little else on here at present.

 

Anyway I agree with SoG when it comes to having no choice but to sell anyone that was on a serious wage and replace them with kids. I don't agree with the `Lowe is the only choice' line, but his large financial stake in the club means he is certainly committed to our survival (the most important thing surley?).

 

I do go to games, so perhaps you wouldn't mind telling me what an incoming chairman should have done this summer? I must point out that I felt we should have kept Pearson so if that is your main arguement then I agree with you.

Edited 29 September, 2008 by Chez

[HILL HEAD SAINT]

thanks for pointing out how dim you are to make a statement like that.

truth hurts eh nickh?

[Chez]

Personally I beleive 14-15k is the hardcore level of Saints support and perhaps even slightly lower.The softcore support is another 10k and the ones who go to see PL and train crashes another potential 10k. There are quite a few who are floating between hardcore and sofcore who have been going for sometime and just had enough of the disappointment. They will be brought back with a little uplift in our prospects, its the 10k plastics who will be harder to attract back.

Im amazed how good our away support was at Donny 958 ffs that is fantastic considering what we have had to put up with recently.

 

Does that 958 include pay on the days like me as it felt like more than a 1000?

 

I would say this though, how many of the 958 came up from the south? I think the `ex-pats' are a sizeable number and we get the same minimum level of support no matter how badly we are doing.

[OldNick]

I usually avoid these threads but there is little else on here at present.

 

Anyway I agree with SoG when it comes to having no choice but to sell anyone that was on a serious wage and replace them with kids. I don't agree with the `Lowe is the only choice' line, but his large financial stake in the club means he is certainly committed to our survival (the most important thing surley?).

 

I do go to games, so perhaps you wouldn't mind telling me what an incoming chairman should have done this summer? I must point out that I felt we should have kept Pearson so if that is your main arguement then I agree with you.

At the time of RL not keeping NP I felt that it was a mistake.Not neccessarily football wise but it would be used as a stick to beat the club if whatever followed was not a success.

Perhaps he wasw being obstinate and wanted his own men, or didnt feel that NP was going to buy in 100% none of us know, but he made the decision and we have to get on with it.I only know the meerest of scraps about our finances, the little bits I do know are very disconcerting and so am pragmatic enought to try and understand the decisions taken.

We have fans still harping on about not keeping GH!! and so I doubt that the fans very pro NP will be quietened for years.

If we do ok in the coming months those voices will be heard less but if things go downhill they will get more confident and louder.RL I suspect would have factored that in but it is an issue.

I myself was very indifferent about NP his major advantage to me was not about his managerial abilities or his passion on the sidelines but the fans were behind him and so we had a btter chance to get behind the team.

[OldNick]

truth hurts eh nickh?

Im sorry if the truth does hurt HillHead I didnt mean to offend

[OldNick]

Does that 958 include pay on the days like me as it felt like more than a 1000?

 

I would say this though, how many of the 958 came up from the south? I think the `ex-pats' are a sizeable number and we get the same minimum level of support no matter how badly we are doing.

I know that a couploe of the staff at the club were pleased with the support and thought they were superb, as do I

[John Smith]

Read a bit of this thread and some of the others that claim we are only satisfied when we lose, or us stay aways are anyway. And I get quite knarked at the sweeping generalisations that some posters, either side of the Lowe line, make.

 

First, if you support Lowes decisions, doesn't make you a Lowe luvvie. If you don't support Lowes decisions, doesn't make you a Saints hater. If you chose not to go, doesn't make you softcore, as still going doesn't make you hardcore. Being a Saints fan and admitting it to people you meet is a difficult pill to swallow at the moment.

 

Just to clarify my position as of Saturday, I stated before the game that we 'should' expect to beat teams such as Doncaster. I also suggested that due to lack of confidence and general bad luck, we would probably come away with a draw, and to me, this would've been ok. As it turned out, we got that bit of luck, and rather the opposition getting a penalty and an own goal, SAINTS did! I couldn't believe it, at last, a bit of fortune going our way! I don't care if it was a scrappy performance or if Donny should have won, fact is, we kept a clean sheet and won the game!!! FANTASTIC, made my day!

 

So, why should I feel bad for not coming on here and moaning? I didn't go to the game and I haven't seen the highlights (yet), and so it is difficult to comment on anything, other than what has been printed on the OS, and that to me says we got a bit lucky. Hooray! I say, I'll take luck any day! Because, with that luck comes confidence, and maybe with confidence comes a climb up the table. This would please me no end.

 

However, I still refuse to give Lowe a mandate to run this club by donating to the party funds. I support the Saints, or some may say, I follow the Saints, this does not translate to, I'm glad if we lose, it actually equals, I am disappointed if we lose. My decision to not support a Lowe mandate does not affect my feelings when it comes to the team I support, or follow in some eyes, when we win, lose or draw. My apathy toward the Business grows day by day, the possibility of me returning on a regular basis to SMS grows less likely each day passes. For this decision, I do not seek to sway the opinions of those that support Lowe or vindicate those that don't, it is a statement of fact and a position I have adopted due to my own decisions, which I have stated before.

 

But for those of you that now wish to grade my status as a Saints fan, tell me I am no fan or tarnish me with a brush of whatever, just to let you know, your words still do not bother me. I know you are hurting as much as me, and it is only natural to lash out at others to satisfy that frustration. Doesn't make me less of a Saints fan, just because you think I am softcore. I take NO pleasure in Saints losing, this Saturday was partial relief that we won, it gives me a glimmer of hope that we are better than two teams in this league, and hopefully, we will be better than more than 3 teams come May.

 

Nickh, I know you probably didn't aim this thread at ALL those that choose not to go, but to some on here, they love nothing more than the ammo to throw at stay awayers, because their own frustrations cannot be released in the stupor of victory too often.

 

And so, I post this in acknowledgment of your thread and equally in the curiosity that will I get more abused now because we won? Because, on the flip side of your coin, I get less attacked when we lose. And, just to add, because this was an away game, I still wouldn't have seen us win this season.

[OldNick]

Read a bit of this thread and some of the others that claim we are only satisfied when we lose, or us stay aways are anyway. And I get quite knarked at the sweeping generalisations that some posters, either side of the Lowe line, make.

 

First, if you support Lowes decisions, doesn't make you a Lowe luvvie. If you don't support Lowes decisions, doesn't make you a Saints hater. If you chose not to go, doesn't make you softcore, as still going doesn't make you hardcore. Being a Saints fan and admitting it to people you meet is a difficult pill to swallow at the moment.

 

Just to clarify my position as of Saturday, I stated before the game that we 'should' expect to beat teams such as Doncaster. I also suggested that due to lack of confidence and general bad luck, we would probably come away with a draw, and to me, this would've been ok. As it turned out, we got that bit of luck, and rather the opposition getting a penalty and an own goal, SAINTS did! I couldn't believe it, at last, a bit of fortune going our way! I don't care if it was a scrappy performance or if Donny should have won, fact is, we kept a clean sheet and won the game!!! FANTASTIC, made my day!

 

So, why should I feel bad for not coming on here and moaning? I didn't go to the game and I haven't seen the highlights (yet), and so it is difficult to comment on anything, other than what has been printed on the OS, and that to me says we got a bit lucky. Hooray! I say, I'll take luck any day! Because, with that luck comes confidence, and maybe with confidence comes a climb up the table. This would please me no end.

 

However, I still refuse to give Lowe a mandate to run this club by donating to the party funds. I support the Saints, or some may say, I follow the Saints, this does not translate to, I'm glad if we lose, it actually equals, I am disappointed if we lose. My decision to not support a Lowe mandate does not affect my feelings when it comes to the team I support, or follow in some eyes, when we win, lose or draw. My apathy toward the Business grows day by day, the possibility of me returning on a regular basis to SMS grows less likely each day passes. For this decision, I do not seek to sway the opinions of those that support Lowe or vindicate those that don't, it is a statement of fact and a position I have adopted due to my own decisions, which I have stated before.

 

But for those of you that now wish to grade my status as a Saints fan, tell me I am no fan or tarnish me with a brush of whatever, just to let you know, your words still do not bother me. I know you are hurting as much as me, and it is only natural to lash out at others to satisfy that frustration. Doesn't make me less of a Saints fan, just because you think I am softcore. I take NO pleasure in Saints losing, this Saturday was partial relief that we won, it gives me a glimmer of hope that we are better than two teams in this league, and hopefully, we will be better than more than 3 teams come May.

 

Nickh, I know you probably didn't aim this thread at ALL those that choose not to go, but to some on here, they love nothing more than the ammo to throw at stay awayers, because their own frustrations cannot be released in the stupor of victory too often.

 

And so, I post this in acknowledgment of your thread and equally in the curiosity that will I get more abused now because we won? Because, on the flip side of your coin, I get less attacked when we lose. And, just to add, because this was an away game, I still wouldn't have seen us win this season.

JS so well put how could I argue.I put it as I see it. I also have not seen the Saints win this season, hopefully that will end tomorrow.

[mitch01]

Same old boring shiit from SOGGY. Thank foook he's too tight-fisted to fork out a fiver, it means we dont have to put up with any more of his self-perceived wisdom today..

 

How often are you going to play the 'I'm allowed more posts than you' card? It doesnt prove anything. I agree with what SOG said.