British or English?

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Right now I have a real bee in my bonnet.

 

I'll probably sound a bit like Dune but please bear with me.

 

Remember, who can forget, all those years we spent in the wilderness for our drunken/hooligan antics abroad supporting our local or National team?

 

It was always called 'The English Disease' and most of us were made to feel like lepers when we went abroad on holiday.

 

So, slowly things have been turned round. It took years I know but at last it seems that our England Fans are behaving in the style that is expected of Englishmen.

 

So, if you take that as a given. Why are we now being referred to as 'The Brits'?

 

USA beat the Brits 1 - 1

 

The Brit fans behaved.

 

Blah Blah

FFS! We are England, part of Great Britain, The United kingdom but we are English!

 

And proud of it.

Edited 24 June, 2010 by EastleighSoulBoy

[alpine_saint]

I am English, and I accept the territory that comes with it, warts 'n all.

[Toomer]

English and proud!!!!!!!!!!!

[Smirking_Saint]

Always English first, British second

[ericofarabia]

Always English first, British second

 

Hampshire first, English second, Half Welsh third and British fourth.

[Colinjb]

I am English.

 

I was born in England to English parents. The football team I support plays in the english league structure and I follow and support the exploits of our national football team; England.

 

Do not call me British. I am English.

[Dog]

United Kingdomish

[ericofarabia]

Hampshire first, English second, Half Welsh third and British fourth.

 

Oh ... and Eastleighish fifth

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Right now I have a real bee in my bonnet.

 

I'll probably sound a bit like Dune but please bear with me.

 

Remember, who can forget, all those years we spent in the wilderness for our drunken/hooligan antics abroad supporting our local or National team?

 

It was always called 'The English Disease' and most of us were made to feel like lepers when we went abroad on holiday.

 

So, slowly things have been turned round. It took years I know but at last it seems that our England Fans are behaving in the style that is expected of Englishmen.

 

So, if you take that as a given. Why are we now being referred to as 'The Brits'?

 

FFS! We are England, part of Great Britain, The United kingdom but we are English!

 

And proud of it.

 

Your illusions would probably be shattered I'm afraid ESB if you were a member of 'Englandfans' - some of them make dune look positively Commie!

[saints_is_the_south]

English fo sho.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Your illusions would probably be shattered I'm afraid ESB if you were a member of 'Englandfans' - some of them make dune look positively Commie!

 

My point was more about being referred to as British.

 

I have no illusions about Stan.

[Sour Mash]

Right now I have a real bee in my bonnet.

 

I'll probably sound a bit like Dune but please bear with me.

 

Remember, who can forget, all those years we spent in the wilderness for our drunken/hooligan antics abroad supporting our local or National team?

 

It was always called 'The English Disease' and most of us were made to feel like lepers when we went abroad on holiday.

 

So, slowly things have been turned round. It took years I know but at last it seems that our England Fans are behaving in the style that is expected of Englishmen.

 

So, if you take that as a given. Why are we now being referred to as 'The Brits'?

 

FFS! We are England, part of Great Britain, The United kingdom but we are English!

 

And proud of it.

 

Honestly can't say I've seen any difference at all in the use of Brits/English compared to previous years.

 

Also, I am British AND English, they are not mutually exclusive.

[RedAndWhite91]

English not British. I am from England, the country in the United Kingdom of Great Britain. It's a pet hate of mine when Americans refer to Englishmen as 'the Brits'.

[CB Saint]

Hampshire first, English second, Half Welsh third and British fourth.

 

We all have our cross to bear

[Miffy]

English

[toofarnorth]

English for Football, Welsh for Rugby. One parent of either sort and family would disown me for not supporting Wales at Rugby.

 

Don't mind being called british though. Lived in Scotland for 7 years. They are definitely Scottish.

[saint_bert]

Even on forms to fill in I hate having to put white british.

 

NO,NO!!

 

I am an Englishman!

 

Born and bred.

[dubai_phil]

I am a British Passport Holder that confers the right of travel to me in different nations of the world.

Britain has helped to "save the world from tyranny" but has also historically enslaved parts of the world in tryanny.

 

Being British I can support an England Cricket Team with it's Irish & South African players. I could have been ruled over by a moron Scot that I never voted for if I resided in The United Kingdom.

 

But I am not British I am an English Citizen of The United Kingdom.

 

When you land in America you aren't British, your citizenship is United Kingdom. When you shop online your nationality isn't British it is United Kingdom.

 

The Jocks and The Welsh have their own Parliaments and even in places their own language, they have chosen to abscond from the United Kingdom except when it comes to getting tax benefits out of London.

 

If they have chosen to abscond then why can't I?

 

Why can't I come home and vote to be ruled over by English People in an English Parliament. Why can I not have an English Passport? Why is there no Bureau De Change when you get those weird Notes?

 

People (including Immigrants) who chose to live in England for a set number of years should, by law, and like Cricketers, become English. If they don't wish to then they can stay as "residents" or they can go back home to The Valleys or The Highlands, rather than sittinga round my Country moaning, being an ABE and ordering me around.

 

I've been here 17 years, I am not and never will be an Emirati, so I don't get a passport or all the benefits, but I'd rather be English

[bungle]

Born in Jersey. I am British. English scum.

[Hatch]

I am cosmopolitan.

[charlie saint]

WHy bother getting upset - it's only Americans getting it wrong...

 

Unless you're 100% confident you get every minute detail right about how people from elsewhere choose to identify themselves, I'd just grin and bear it. I doubt people from South of the Mason-Dixon Line like being referred to as 'Yanks', for instance.

[Pancake]

English not British. I am from England, the country in the United Kingdom of Great Britain. It's a pet hate of mine when Americans refer to Englishmen as 'the Brits'.

 

TBF, you were claiming to be a S'afrcan the other day....

[Huntingdon]

My views have changed considerably over the past 10 years & I'm not 100% sure why

 

But, I have now stopped calling myself British.

I now only refer to myself as being English

[ericofarabia]

My views have changed considerably over the past 10 years & I'm not 100% sure why

 

But, I have now stopped calling myself British.

I now only refer to myself as being English

 

I'm trying to think when this crossover really kicked in.

 

I'm sure from my younger days at England games everybody had Union Jacks, it seems, (to me anyway) relatively recently that The Flag of St George has become (quite rightly so) the order of the day.

[ericofarabia]

I am cosmopolitan.

 

Is that fancy talk for Mongrel

[Gemmel]

I'm trying to think when this crossover really kicked in.

 

I'm sure from my younger days at England games everybody had Union Jacks, it seems, (to me anyway) relatively recently that The Flag of St George has become (quite rightly so) the order of the day.

 

Indeed, All the footage from the 70's the flags are pretty much all Union Jacks.

At a guess i woud say at the crossover started in the 80's, grew in 90's and became the norm after Euro 96.

What caused it?.....again a complete guess, but may be something to do with Ireland. The IRA were in full swing in the early 80's and that's the first time i can rememer "The Change" of flags started.

[scotty]

English.

 

\when the jocks, taffs and paddys stop hating our f*cking guts and praying for us to lose every game, I might think about calling myself British.

[alpine_saint]

English.

 

\when the jocks, taffs and paddys stop hating our f*cking guts and praying for us to lose every game, I might think about calling myself British.

 

Amen to that, comrade.

[mcjwills]

British by Birth, English by the grace of GOD

[SNSUN]

100% English.

 

If one more person says I look Greek, I think I may cut off their winky and nuts and force feed them to a giraffe.

[Smirking_Saint]

Your not Greek

[SNSUN]

Your not Greek

 

Your winky is safe.

[Ponty]

I don't see what difference it makes. You'd have to be pretty insecure about yourself to be bothered by that.

[Saintandy666]

I generally refer to myself at British, not English. I think it's more of a minority thing as to how important it is, Scottish people are nearly always Scottish first.

[BigShadow]

English not British. I am from England, the country in the United Kingdom of Great Britain. It's a pet hate of mine when Americans refer to Englishmen as 'the Brits'.

 

To be fair, most Americans don't even appreciate the difference. In a similar way, we like to call all Americans 'Yanks' but there is a large proportion of the American population that would take exception to that. I think the following from Wiki sums it up quite nicely:

 

To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.

To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.

To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.

To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.

To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.

And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.

 

I am surprised no-one is proclaiming themselves 'European' - there is usually one stick their head above the parapet.

[Red&White]

I don't see what difference it makes. You'd have to be pretty insecure about yourself to be bothered by that.

 

Totally agree

[Chin Strain]

English not British. I am from England, the country in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's a pet hate of mine when Americans refer to Englishmen as 'the Brits'.

 

Pedant alert

[Saints11]

100% English.

 

If one more person says I look Greek, I think I may cut off their winky and nuts and force feed them to a giraffe.

 

I share your pain, I to suffer from being asked if i'm Greek/Turkish/Spanish etc

[RedAndWhite91]

Pedant alert

 

I stand corrected. Apologies.

[sperm_john]

English.

[Mattio]

Hampshire first, English second, Half Welsh third and British fourth.

This pretty much

[EastleighSoulBoy]

100% English.

 

If one more person says I look Greek, I think I may cut off their winky and nuts and force feed them to a giraffe.

 

Now now Stavros!

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I don't see what difference it makes. You'd have to be pretty insecure about yourself to be bothered by that.

 

Not insecure, more p155ed off with Americans calling us Brits in their comments on the Yahoo world cup pages.

[St Landrew]

I was born in Southampton, so put English on the form when they give me the opportunity, British when that's all there is. European when I get the chance to be creative and it doesn't matter. By birth, I'm half English and half Italian. I'm proud to be a bit of both. My passport is British, not Italian.

 

The U.S.A. ought to get their geography correct. U.S. Commentators often talk from London, England, but I've even heard one commentator talk from Scotland, England. The truth is, we're so tiny we're all one to them.

[Saint in Paradise]

Anglo Scottish:lol:

[Ponty]

Not insecure, more p155ed off with Americans calling us Brits in their comments on the Yahoo world cup pages.

 

Well, that's their problem, not ours. It highlights their ignorance, not our lack of identity.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

Well, that's their problem, not ours. It highlights their ignorance, not our lack of identity.

 

I did think of calling one guy a Canadian, but then I don't wish to offend the Canadians.

[norwaysaint]

I did think of calling one guy a Canadian, but then I don't wish to offend the Canadians.

The thing is that Americans aren't Canadians, but calling English people British is actually correct. It really doesn't make any difference. I can't believe so many people are so petty and whiny, is your self-image so fragile?

[Wes Tender]

Not insecure, more p155ed off with Americans calling us Brits in their comments on the Yahoo world cup pages.

 

And then just to compound their ignorance, they go and call our national game soccer! It's football, you ignorant tw*ts!

[Wes Tender]

I was born in Southampton, so put English on the form when they give me the opportunity, British when that's all there is. European when I get the chance to be creative and it doesn't matter. By birth, I'm half English and half Italian. I'm proud to be a bit of both. My passport is British, not Italian.

 

The U.S.A. ought to get their geography correct. U.S. Commentators often talk from London, England, but I've even heard one commentator talk from Scotland, England. The truth is, we're so tiny we're all one to them.

 

Ditto.

 

And perhaps it's about time that our most respected journalists at the BBC started their broadcasts along similar lines... I'm talking from New York, America....