Saints fans jailed

[Mr_Red]

1. Surely you don't believe everything written in the press?!

2. You simply would not get 12months for 'pulling on a fence'

3. The sentences will almost certainly be halved

4. Don't be a nob and you won't go to jail - this heat of the moment stuff is nonsense

[Wes Tender]

95% of the people on here haven't got a clue what they are talking about.

 

I feel that its only fair to include you in that 95%, as you somehow believe that the culprits would otherwise be model law abiding citizens.

[Psycrow]

Seriously can't get my head around that some of you are actually happy that people have been put in prison for doing nothing more than grabbing a fence ( it was nothing more than that, it's in black and white ) in the heat of the moment, or threw a bottle top or bit of plastic and they are not looking at least 5 or 6 months in prison, lost jobs, lost houses, kids having their Dads taken away for that time.

 

For what? Grabbing a f*cking fence. Now sorry, but regardless of the police filming, you could be excused for thinking that grabbing a fence is not going to get you put in prison, nor is throwing a 'bottle top' .

 

My thoughts go out to all the lads families, many of whom might lose their house or are wondering how they are going to be able to put food on the table for the kids and hope they all are released asap.

 

We really do have some retarded supporters, I don't know if you think it's funny them getting put in prison just to show off, or whether you genuinely feel it, either way... it's wrong. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and would be saying exactly the same if it was the other way round and it was P*mpey fans that got shafted by the justice system.

 

Put it into perspective, you can burgle a house, nick a car, drink drive, put someone in hospital after a fight in town, mug a granny etc and STILL expect less than a 12 month prison sentence which them lads got for 'grabbing a fence' .

 

Some people on here need to either stop showing off or get some perspective.

 

Stu, burgling a house, drink driving, nicking a car, fighting in town and putting someing in hospital and mugging a granny are all different to what these lads were put away for 1 simple reason. They don't involve huge crowds. As has been said many times in this thread and others, football violence is always going to be punished much more severly by the law. The reason that is the case is because of the potential for huge riots that can come from small actions. It can't even be compared to other violent crimes in that respect. Its the POTENTIAL they're trying to prevent by making an example of these guys trying to deter future incidents.

 

However the majority of those jailed weren't simply jailed for "grabbing a fence" or "throwing a bottle top". Only 2 of them were. Others threw missiles, coins, stones, a chair. You're playing down what they're actual actions were way too much. Through this thread you've gone from say they "Just threw a stone" to "They just threw pieces of wood" and now "They just grabbed a fence and throw a bottle top" They were throwing objects with the intention of harming others.

 

If the reporter in the article you posted has his facts right and some of them only grabbed at a fence, then yes maybe the sentences are too severe. I have a feeling more details may emerge though. As we've all seen in the last couple of months, reporters aren't always the most accurate people in the world.

 

You can't refer to failures in punishing offenders of other crimes adequately as a means of justifying your claim that their sentences are too harsh either. 2 wrongs don't make a right. If a mugger/rapist/murderer doesn't get a sentence that you consider fair, you can't let all other people convicted of crimes off lightly simply because of it. The examples that have been given on this thread are spurious and self serving also. For every "kiddie fiddler" (not your post above I know) that has gotten 6 months in jail, there are 100 who were jailed for years.

[StuRomseySaint]

1. Surely you don't believe everything written in the press?!

2. You simply would not get 12months for 'pulling on a fence'

3. The sentences will almost certainly be halved

4. Don't be a nob and you won't go to jail - this heat of the moment stuff is nonsense

 

It was written by a local news reporter sitting in on the court proceedings, don't you think that if there was something a bit more juicy to put in the story then she would have done.

 

12 months not for pulling on a fence, but for 'grabbing it'. 12 months for throwing A bottle top. 12 months for throwing 1 coin.

 

Pathetic, almost as pathetic as our retarded support praising the justice system.

[StuRomseySaint]

Stu, burgling a house, drink driving, nicking a car, fighting in town and putting someing in hospital and mugging a granny are all different to what these lads were put away for 1 simple reason. They don't involve huge crowds. As has been said many times in this thread and others, football violence is always going to be punished much more severly by the law. The reason that is the case is because of the potential for huge riots that can come from small actions. It can't even be compared to other violent crimes in that respect. Its the POTENTIAL they're trying to prevent by making an example of these guys trying to deter future incidents.

 

However the majority of those jailed weren't simply jailed for "grabbing a fence" or "throwing a bottle top". Only 2 of them were. Others threw missiles, coins, stones, a chair. You're playing down what they're actual actions were way too much. Through this thread you've gone from say they "Just threw a stone" to "They just threw pieces of wood" and now "They just grabbed a fence and throw a bottle top" They were throwing objects with the intention of harming others.

 

If the reporter in the article you posted has his facts right and some of them only grabbed at a fence, then yes maybe the sentences are too severe. I have a feeling more details may emerge though. As we've all seen in the last couple of months, reporters aren't always the most accurate people in the world.

 

You can't refer to failures in punishing offenders of other crimes adequately as a means of justifying your claim that their sentences are too harsh either. 2 wrongs don't make a right. If a mugger/rapist/murderer doesn't get a sentence that you consider fair, you can't let all other people convicted of crimes off lightly simply because of it. The examples that have been given on this thread are spurious and self serving also. For every "kiddie fiddler" (not your post above I know) that has gotten 6 months in jail, there are 100 who were jailed for years.

 

Seriously, one threw a plastic chair. ( watch the footage, it was one of them super light garden chairs which would do no more harm than maybe a scratch)

 

7 minutes 28

 

 

What did that person get? 14 months in prison. Are you honestly, honestly telling me that the offence you can clearly see on the footage, which doesn't go anywhere near the P*mpey fans, nor does it hit the police. And YES , that was all his offence was, this is confirmed in the press release which I posted earlier, so don't come back with the " err, I bet that's not all he did "... it WAS all he did, otherwise details would have been released.

 

Seriously, if you think that is warranted of a 14 month sentence then you need to get off your high horse.

 

On a last point, I have no doubt people in real life think the sentences are harsh and that it's just alot of status posturing on here tonight. I honestly don't believe anyone can justify someone getting put behind bars for what you see on the video... that's just f*cking ludicrous.

Edited 21 June, 2010 by StuRomseySaint

[Rowan Gorilla 5]

You keep mentioning the £30,000 of damage.

 

How many of them where charged with criminal damage?

 

How many of them were having a 'running fight' , if so, who with and how many punches where thrown?

 

What were the police BEING PAID FOR BY SFC?

 

Was it to prevent trouble or to just nick anyone causing trouble? Or both?

 

Check out the definition of 'violent disorder' and look at the various different levels of assault and the types of criminal damage that there are and you will see why. What criminal act(s) people are charged with is down to the Crown Prosecution Service and not the police.

[StuRomseySaint]

Check out the definition of 'violent disorder' and look at the various different levels of assault and the types of criminal damage that there are and you will see why. What criminal act(s) people are charged with is down to the Crown Prosecution Service and not the police.

 

Regardless... I have just posted a video up of one of the offences which earnt the chap a 14 month sentence. Look at the video.

 

Do you think 14 months in prison for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road is justice served? Or maybe a tad on the harsh side?

[NorthamSteve]

Nobody was in a fight and nobody was seriously injured. So it's a bit of a hypothetical situation.

.

 

Which is why I started my question with 'Hypothetically speaking'.

[Rowan Gorilla 5]

Regardless... I have just posted a video up of one of the offences which earnt the chap a 14 month sentence. Look at the video.

 

Do you think 14 months in prison for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road is justice served? Or maybe a tad on the harsh side?

 

See what a 'designated sporting event' is and that will shed some light on the matter.

 

Because one sentence for one type of crime might seem unduly lenient it does not necessarily follow that another sentence for another type of crime is therefore unduly harsh.

 

Look at the sentences that were dished out to some of those involved in the Bradford, Burnley and Oldham riots.

[Saint Fan CaM]

The sentence is an irrelevance. All those who put themselves into a situation whereby they could have been accused of violent disorder or conduct have only themselves to blame. I saw some of the disturbance and there were both men, women and children involved in some way, however not all got charged - only a small minority who were seen to be causing the worst damage or acting in the most violent manner. Is there any evidence that an innocent bystander got sentenced, because if so I might start to get concerned?

[Fan The Flames]

The disproportionate sentences are wrong and the guys should appeal. My mate got stamped on on a Saturday night out and was in a specialist head ward for a week, the Police arrested the bloke on the night but had no appetite to pursue the case. I know what out of the two is worse. If people can not see that the Police have an agenda around football games then they are blind, its been going on for years. I don't remember anyone getting these sentences after the Countryside Alliance riot and don't get me started if these were rugby lads, it would be put down to high jinks. Is the same level of Policing undertaken in our Town Centres on a Saturday night, no and it won't until they get landlords to foot the bill. Hampshire Police have previous with the gay chanting fiasco.

 

On a wider point I bet all the guys are thinking what tits they are for giving a year of their lives for shouting at someone who happens to support another football club. The Pompey thing has now got out of hand and maybe we should all shoulder some of the blame. As a set of fans, us and them, we have let the rivalry get so bitter and through our unchecked words and actions we have now created a atmosphere that makes people compelled to act in a way that they wouldn't do to anybody else. People act in a certain way when they feel they have a licence to act that way and the pungency of the anti-pompey environment we have created has encouraged these blokes to feel that their actions were warranted and would be admired. So maybe it's time to step it down a bit for the sake of others in the future.

[liebherr driver]

I frankly cant believe the utter sh!te posted by the plebs on here who get on their soap boxes spouting indignant condemnation for the victims of this police and media witch hunt. Freeborns must be rubbing their hands at the insurance payout. Of course they will exaggerate damage claims, they repair the cars themselves ! I was there, in the aftermath and I struggled to see anywhere near £30,000 of damage, although hub caps and windscreen wipers are obviously expensive to replace. I bet they wish we played Pompey every week at home.

 

If you want a conspiracy theory then ask why there were no riot police deployed at a category C game, why both sets of fans were allowed to exit the ground at the same time. I myself have been attacked by Pompey fans on more than one occasion both home and away when minding my own business, been kept inside Nottarf Krap for well over an hour in the rain with no roof, all at the insistence of Hampshire Police.

 

None of the lads sentenced had previous form for football related violence, prisons are overcrowded meaning non football offences are often meted with alternative punishments, and yet the judge in his infinite wisdom saw fit to make an example of them.

 

Rough justice indeed.

[Mr_Red]

It was written by a local news reporter sitting in on the court proceedings, don't you think that if there was something a bit more juicy to put in the story then she would have done.

 

12 months not for pulling on a fence, but for 'grabbing it'. 12 months for throwing A bottle top. 12 months for throwing 1 coin.

 

Pathetic, almost as pathetic as our retarded support praising the justice system.

 

 

I'm not praising the justice system, I'm saying I don't believe all that happened has been divulged. I'm also saying you don't get put away for nothing.

Its fair to suggest the terms may be harsh (tho the sentences will not be seen out in full), but if it puts people off in the future then thats the definition of a deterrent.

Thank you for implying my views are retarded.

[Wade Garrett]

I wish the police were as interested when it comes to the w@nkers who run up my road booting wing mirrors and cars on a regular basis.

[StuRomseySaint]

I'm not praising the justice system, I'm saying I don't believe all that happened has been divulged. I'm also saying you don't get put away for nothing.

Its fair to suggest the terms may be harsh (tho the sentences will not be seen out in full), but if it puts people off in the future then thats the definition of a deterrent.

Thank you for implying my views are retarded.

 

Courts in this country are open houses. It was reported by a journo from the P*rtsmouth news exactly what they did... as I said, if there was more to the story, they would have reported it to make it sound a bit interesting. There wasn't though... that was it. I posted a video of the 'incident' that saw one person get 14 months.

 

Your views are indeed retarded if you think that 14 months is the right sentence for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road.

Edited 22 June, 2010 by StuRomseySaint

[dune]

Stu, do you believe these sentences will act as a detterent?

[skintsaint]

should do - after seeing what this can lead to I certainly wouldnt go around being a nobber after a football game.

 

14 months is harsh though. Cant they appeal?

[trousers]

Stu - if I was to come around your house and throw stones at your car causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage, what punishment would you be happy for me to receive?

 

Or, in other words, what level of punishment would you put in place that would deter me from doing it in the first place?

 

Genuine question.

[trousers]

Point still stands, if they'd gone home like the rest of us they would not now be in prison

 

Aye. It's quite simple isn't it?

[Daren W]

Seriously, one threw a plastic chair. ( watch the footage, it was one of them super light garden chairs which would do no more harm than maybe a scratch)

 

7 minutes 28

 

 

What did that person get? 14 months in prison. Are you honestly, honestly telling me that the offence you can clearly see on the footage, which doesn't go anywhere near the P*mpey fans, nor does it hit the police. And YES , that was all his offence was, this is confirmed in the press release which I posted earlier, so don't come back with the " err, I bet that's not all he did "... it WAS all he did, otherwise details would have been released.

 

Seriously, if you think that is warranted of a 14 month sentence then you need to get off your high horse.

 

On a last point, I have no doubt people in real life think the sentences are harsh and that it's just alot of status posturing on here tonight. I honestly don't believe anyone can justify someone getting put behind bars for what you see on the video... that's just f*cking ludicrous.

 

I'd add to that, what sort of justice system do we have when you can have the most vile child porn on your pc and possibly get a lighter sentence.

 

The point here is that the police are culpable after letting the fans out together. We can argue the rights and wrong football violence until we're blue in the face but the one fact that a lot of the posters on here seem to be actively avoiding.

 

The sentences are disproportionate.... end of.

[trousers]

 

I'd add to that, what sort of justice system do we have when you can have the most vile child porn on your pc and possibly get a lighter sentence.

 

The point here is that the police are culpable after letting the fans out together. We can argue the rights and wrong football violence until we're blue in the face but the one fact that a lot of the posters on here seem to be actively avoiding.

 

The sentences are disproportionate.... end of.

 

Of course, there are two ways of dealing with "disproportionate" sentences....

 

(a) increase the sentences for "vile" crimes

 

Or

 

(b) decrease the sentences for "football violence"

[stmusicdude]

Regardless... I have just posted a video up of one of the offences which earnt the chap a 14 month sentence. Look at the video.

 

Do you think 14 months in prison for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road is justice served? Or maybe a tad on the harsh side?

It's all very well simplifying it .. but they were NOT sent to prison for 14 months for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road .. It's more to do with what they did collectively & the environment surrounding them.

They are not 12,13 or 14 year old lads going through adolescence. They ALL knew what they were doing & the implications to them & their families if caught .. yet still they did it .. & now we are supposed to feel sorry for them .. Oh do grow up!!

 

 

In this thread you have gone from calling people who disagree retards to pathetic & changing just what it is these people did. I know which I think is pathetic ...

 

As it happens I actually think the sentences do SEEM tough .. but at the same time .. about bloody time lets see some more like this for this sort of behavior & get the louts away from the games, if they cant act like decent human beings prior to & after the games I don't want them anywhere near the stadium.

[Ponty]

I'd add to that, what sort of justice system do we have when you can have the most vile child porn on your pc and possibly get a lighter sentence.

 

 

That just suggests that the minimum sentences for other crimes aren't high enough.

[trousers]

That just suggests that the minimum sentences for other crimes aren't high enough.

 

Exactly

[StuRomseySaint]

It's all very well simplifying it .. but they were NOT sent to prison for 14 months for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road .. It's more to do with what they did collectively & the environment surrounding them.

They are not 12,13 or 14 year old lads going through adolescence. They ALL knew what they were doing & the implications to them & their families if caught .. yet still they did it .. & now we are supposed to feel sorry for them .. Oh do grow up!!

 

 

In this thread you have gone from calling people who disagree retards to pathetic & changing just what it is these people did. I know which I think is pathetic ...

 

As it happens I actually think the sentences do SEEM tough .. but at the same time .. about bloody time lets see some more like this for this sort of behavior & get the louts away from the games, if they cant act like decent human beings prior to & after the games I don't want them anywhere near the stadium.

 

Of course they are tough, someone just got carted off to Parkhurst ( where the majority of them have gone ) for 14 months for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road.

 

I am sure pretty much every person on this forum has commited an offence in their life which would be deemed as more serious that throwing a plastic chair about 3 metres into an empty road.

[StuRomseySaint]

That just suggests that the minimum sentences for other crimes aren't high enough.

 

Super. Let's pay out more tax and make sure we can fill the prisons up with everyone who fights on a Friday night, anyone who goes more than 5mph over the limit, anyone that swears in public, drops litter...

 

You must be super rich.

 

I don't know if you read the news Ponty, but our prisons are overcrowded... prople who nick cars, put people in hospital after a fight on a Friday night, burglars, sexual offenders etc are all avoiding jail, whilst some lad who throws a plastic chair ( at nobody ) is inside for 14 months.

[dune]

Super. Let's pay out more tax and make sure we can fill the prisons up with everyone who fights on a Friday night, anyone who goes more than 5mph over the limit, anyone that swears in public, drops litter...

 

You must be super rich.

 

I don't know if you read the news Ponty, but our prisons are overcrowded... prople who nick cars, put people in hospital after a fight on a Friday night, burglars, sexual offenders etc are all avoiding jail, whilst some lad who throws a plastic chair ( at nobody ) is inside for 14 months.

 

He shouldn't have been throwing a plastic chair. How you can defend those morons is beyond me. They weren't kids - they were adults, and they did it right in front of a film crew.

[trousers]

Super. Let's pay out more tax and make sure we can fill the prisons up with everyone who fights on a Friday night, anyone who goes more than 5mph over the limit, anyone that swears in public, drops litter...

 

You must be super rich.

 

I don't know if you read the news Ponty, but our prisons are overcrowded... prople who nick cars, put people in hospital after a fight on a Friday night, burglars, sexual offenders etc are all avoiding jail, whilst some lad who throws a plastic chair ( at nobody ) is inside for 14 months.

 

Why would raising deterent levels across the board increae the prison population?

 

The greater the punishment the more thought people are likely to give before committing the crime in the first place?

 

Using an extreme to illustrate a point, if the punishment for driving over the speed limit was having my gonads removed by a meat cleaver I can assure you that I would studiously drive everywhere at 20 mph.

[Wade Garrett]

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[Wade Garrett]

Stu - if I was to come around your house and throw stones at your car causing hundreds of pounds worth of damage, what punishment would you be happy for me to receive?

 

Or, in other words, what level of punishment would you put in place that would deter me from doing it in the first place?

 

Genuine question.

 

The point is, for me, is that the police aren't interested in pursuing this sort of crime. It is zero tolerance on this sort of crime, at an early age, that stops youngsters growing up to be criminals with no respect for the law.

 

I have first hand experience of this. It is a recurring problem where I live and the police couldn't be less interested. Too much work for them.

[sadoldgit]

£30,000 of criminal damage. Throwing missiles that could have caused serious injury. If this had been Pompey supporters those of you who say this is wrong would expect harsher sentencing. The only way to stamp out mindess violence is to dish out tough sentences. A riot in the streets isn't any less so because it is carried out by football supporters.

[trousers]

The point is, for me, is that the police aren't interested in pursuing this sort of crime. It is zero tolerance on this sort of crime, at an early age, that stops youngsters growing up to be criminals with no respect for the law.

 

I have first hand experience of this. It is a recurring problem where I live and the police couldn't be less interested. Too much work for them.

 

The police "aren't interested" because they know the scumbags will get a slap on the wrist and let back out into the community.

 

Again, if the deterent was high enough there would be less crime in the first place.

 

In my example, rhe deterent for someone throwing stones at Stu's car will not be high enough to prevent it happening, or at least significantly reduce the likelihood.

[Thedelldays]

stu..many cant get their head around why you seem to offended for everyone lately..

 

like you say to me on other threads...this has nothing to do with you..so shut up

[dune]

I wonder if Stu's attitude woould be different if students had damaged his car, or thrown a projectile and cut his granddads head....

[warsash saint]

I had kids throwing stones at my windows late Saturday night.....my 4 year old daughter was a sleep just a few feet from the window. If the police catch up with these w**kers, do you really think that they will get a year in jail ? Like f**k they will !!

 

I think the issue here is the sheer inconsistancy of the sentencing. The 'fans' caught were complete idiots - ban them from the ground, give them big fines even a suspended sentence...but 12 months in prison ??

[View From The Top]

We will know if the sentences have worked by the antics of "the yoof" next season, but I reckon they'll forget soon enough.

 

What I'm quite sure of is that if the offences had been at a match that didn't involve pompey they wouldn't have been sent down.

[View From The Top]

I think the issue here is the sheer inconsistancy of the sentencing. The 'fans' caught were complete idiots - ban them from the ground, give them big fines even a suspended sentence...but 12 months in prison ??

 

Agree 100%.

 

The lads who laid into the Yeovil fans got lesser sentences.

[sadoldgit]

There is a big difference at someone throwing a stone at a car and a street riot. Rioting is rioting and is no less so if it involves football. I have had my car vandalised and it is very annoying, but I don't put that in the same league as a major brawl kicking off in the streets.

[Sour Mash]

The sentence is an irrelevance. All those who put themselves into a situation whereby they could have been accused of violent disorder or conduct have only themselves to blame. I saw some of the disturbance and there were both men, women and children involved in some way, however not all got charged - only a small minority who were seen to be causing the worst damage or acting in the most violent manner. Is there any evidence that an innocent bystander got sentenced, because if so I might start to get concerned?

 

Not really, that's what the majority of this thread has been about.

[Sour Mash]

Stu, do you believe these sentences will act as a detterent?

 

Giving kids who nick some sweets a year in prison might act as a deterrent, doesn't mean it would be a fair sentence.

[Sour Mash]

there we go ladies and gents.....if any reason why these deserve their penalty

 

Utter B*****S, there was no reason why any Saints fan/or member of public would have had to walk through or be ANYWHERE near the incident.

[Turkish]

I feel that its only fair to include you in that 95%, as you somehow believe that the culprits would otherwise be model law abiding citizens.

 

Well do they have any 'previous'? if they dont then that suggests they are apart from one moment of madness. As far as i am aware only one or two do, so the vast majority would be considered law abising citizens, have jobs, families, etc which they risk losing because of 2 minutes of stupidity. But seriously, 14 months for throwing a plastic chair, 12 months for throwing a stone, stuck in prison in Parkhurst with murders, armed robbers etc, do you seriously think that is right?

[Cabrone]

I'd imagine that these sentences will make a lot of wannabe thugs think twice before wanting to cause trouble and I guess that is exactly why these idiots got the sentences that they did.

 

No sympathy for them, they weren't kids and they knew what they were doing.

 

If they didn't want to go to jail then maybe they should have behaved themselves in the first place, something that really isn't difficult for the vast majority of fans.

[Daren W]

There is a big difference at someone throwing a stone at a car and a street riot. Rioting is rioting and is no less so if it involves football. I have had my car vandalised and it is very annoying, but I don't put that in the same league as a major brawl kicking off in the streets.

 

Hold on a second, so is the issue "rioting"? If so, if missiles were hurled at a political march would the offenders be getting year long sentence? It has to be proportionate, a riot is a riot.

I doubt very much if political rioters would get a similar sentence...

[saintjay77]

Hold on a second, so is the issue "rioting"? If so, if missiles were hurled at a political march would the offenders be getting year long sentence? It has to be proportionate, a riot is a riot.

I doubt very much if political rioters would get a similar sentence...

 

There has been a tougher stance on Football related violence for a long time though. Mainly due to the regular violence that used to follow football years ago.

 

If this type of offence just carried a slap on the wrist then there is a high chance that things would progress next time there is a local derby and we could start moving back to how things used to be.

 

Yes the sentances were harsh when compared to some other offences away from football and if each offence was delt with as if it was 1 chap on his own then no doubt the police would not have been interested. But it wasnt and the sentances were harsh to deter future problems which im fairly sure it will.

 

Name and shaming the next pedo and then stringing him up by his balls from London Bridge might be harsh by the letter of the law but it also might make future sick fuk's think twice before they go down that route.

[SaintSi]

considering when i did some work for the probation service there were enough pedos to fill a community service bus, i think they have been sentenced rather harshly in comparison.

[Psycrow]

Of course they are tough, someone just got carted off to Parkhurst ( where the majority of them have gone ) for 14 months for throwing a plastic chair into an empty road.

 

I am sure pretty much every person on this forum has commited an offence in their life which would be deemed as more serious that throwing a plastic chair about 3 metres into an empty road.

 

The fact that he hit an empty road is irrelivant. He threw it in the direction of a group of people, possibly inciting a riot. I've said this twice already now, so I'll put it in caps this time because its being conveniently ignored. IT IS INCITEMENT. THE PUNISHMENT IS MORE THAN IT WOULD BE IN A NORMAL SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL OF A RIOT BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. If he threw that chair, on camera, onto a road at 3am after a niteclub, he'd get the fine you're talking about. But he didn't did he? He threw it in the direction of hundreds of angry opposing fans and cops. He didn't hit anybody... but not for the want of trying.

[Sour Mash]

The fact that he hit an empty road is irrelivant. He threw it in the direction of a group of people, possibly inciting a riot. I've said this twice already now, so I'll put it in caps this time because its being conveniently ignored. IT IS INCITEMENT. THE PUNISHMENT IS MORE THAN IT WOULD BE IN A NORMAL SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL OF A RIOT BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. If he threw that chair, on camera, onto a road at 3am after a niteclub, he'd get the fine you're talking about. But he didn't did he? He threw it in the direction of hundreds of angry opposing fans and cops. He didn't hit anybody... but not for the want of trying.

 

You think you're so clever? None of the charges towards any of these individuals related to incitement (as far as we currently know). They have been give 12months + prison sentences for as little as shaking a fence aggresively and it's a joke - or do I need to put that in capitals? Would be looking at possibly doubling (or close to) the sentences if any of these contested the charges and actually went not guilty. Madness and I find it disgusting the way some on here have literally got a hard-on from the fact that as a result of 1 minute of stupidity blokes with clear records, jobs, families, etc are looking at year long prison sentences (yes I know they won't have to serve all of it, but that's not really the point).

 

I hope most of the utterly smug c**ts on here never f**k up and do something rash and stupid and get an unduly harsh punishment for it.

[dune]

I wonder how many of those defending these yobs are hooligans/hooligan wannabee's themselves.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

The fact that he hit an empty road is irrelivant. He threw it in the direction of a group of people, possibly inciting a riot. I've said this twice already now, so I'll put it in caps this time because its being conveniently ignored. IT IS INCITEMENT. THE PUNISHMENT IS MORE THAN IT WOULD BE IN A NORMAL SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE POTENTIAL OF A RIOT BECAUSE OF THE LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. If he threw that chair, on camera, onto a road at 3am after a niteclub, he'd get the fine you're talking about. But he didn't did he? He threw it in the direction of hundreds of angry opposing fans and cops. He didn't hit anybody... but not for the want of trying.

 

I had a look at the video twice now and the plastic chair did not seem to be thrown in the direction of any Portsmouth supporters, infact there were none anywhere near the incident. Also, as you seem to have put incitement in capitals, as far as I am aware, if it was incitement to riot, they would have been charged with this as well, if there was criminal damage caused, they would have been charged with this as well.

 

Police would not just charge someone with Violent Disorder ( which is to cause violence or make threats of violence whilst in a group of 3 or more ) if there was criminal damage caused by the individual or other then make no mistakes, they would have been charged with that offence as well, as they would for incitement to riot if they warranted it, or assault if they actually threw a punch.

 

It seems this chap done no more than toss a plastic chair into an empty road ( not at P*rstmouth fans ) and now he has to serve probably 6 months in prison for his actions. It does seem a little bit OTT. A community order and ban from football would have sufficed.