Saints fans jailed

[Denzil]

Yep. I don't want to take my kids to matches that have small minded idiots behaving like this associated with them. Would it bother you if these so called fans were not banned by the club?

 

I expect the Club to impose some sort of ban to set an example and demonstrate that they do not condone such behaviour.

 

I agree, shaking a fence and throwing a few bottle lids should carry a lifetime ban from every football stadium in the world.

[Turkish]

Yep. I don't want to take my kids to matches that have small minded idiots behaving like this associated with them. Would it bother you if these so called fans were not banned by the club?

 

I expect the Club to impose some sort of ban to set an example and demonstrate that they do not condone such behaviour.

 

They have already been banned by the courts, for 6 years. If the courts which were hell bent on making examples of this lot didn't see fit to impose bans longer than 6 years, 6 years being the minimum ban for a football realted offence when prison sentance is imposed, the maximum is 10, then why would the club? In any case the incident didn't happen inside the ground, or even on club land so why would they ban them for life?

[SaintRobbie]

They have already been banned by the courts, for 6 years. If the courts which were hell bent on making examples of this lot didn't see fit to impose bans longer than 6 years, 6 years being the minimum ban for a football realted offence when prison sentance is imposed, the maximum is 10, then why would the club? In any case the incident didn't happen inside the ground, or even on club land so why would they ban them for life?

 

I didnt say ban them for life. But I will take the 6 years that the courts have delivered.

[Turkish]

I didnt say ban them for life. But I will take the 6 years that the courts have delivered.

 

When will we hear from the Club that they have been banned for life?

 

yes you did.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

pwned

[NickG]

yes you did.

 

must have been in another post cos that's asking!

[Turkish]

I didnt say ban them for life. But I will take the 6 years that the courts have delivered.

 

must have been in another post cos that's asking!

 

I dont think its extreme. It sends the right message. What's more I hope the Club ban them for life as well.

 

How about this one then? 'Saintrobbie' appears to be desperate to see them banned for life.

[NickG]

ok!

[SaintRobbie]

lol - fair cop Turkish.

 

But, in reflection I think a 6 year banning order is fair. Given that no one was seriously injured. My point is that Clubs do not seem to be coming out and offering support to the authorities by taking independent action. Saints - Pompey is one of the best fixtures on the footballing calender, both Clubs know that it has potential for violent activitity and both Clubs should offer a zero-tolerance policy as a result.

 

We have seem fans banned in the past. I wonder if the Club has been given guidance not to act by the FA?

[Turkish]

lol - fair cop Turkish.

 

But, in reflection I think a 6 year banning order is fair. Given that no one was seriously injured. My point is that Clubs do not seem to be coming out and offering support to the authorities by taking independent action. Saints - Pompey is one of the best fixtures on the footballing calender, both Clubs know that it has potential for violent activitity and both Clubs should offer a zero-tolerance policy as a result.

 

We have seem fans banned in the past. I wonder if the Club has been given guidance not to act by the FA?

 

I think it is simply the case that as the incident wasn't on club property the club either aren't interested or feel that the courts have dealt with the issue enough with jail terms and 6 years bans from every ground in the country..

Edited 4 July, 2010 by Turkish

[SFKA South Woodford]

I don't agree with violent disorder of any kind, but do have sympathy for those punished in this instance as the punishment far outweighs the crime.

 

To those of you that don't, I suggest that you stay away from games against teams where the atmosphere may get a bit heated especially against any of our local rivals, as by the letter or rather inference of the violent disorder law all of us in the ground are guilty by association and seeing as you are all whiter than white, you cannot have your good names besmirched by the actions of the rest of the crowd.

[saintjay77]

Christ on a bike is this still going?

 

People should be able to enjoy watching football without the threat of violence of any kind. If the authorities think its right to dish out stupid punishments compared to other crimes because they think this will result in less threat of violence then who can argue?

 

Im quite impressed that the world cup has gone on with no segragation and no issues and if South Africa can do it then it kinda take the P out of the home of football and all its rivalry doesnt it?

[tonibell]

Another 15 up in the Crown Court tomorrow 17 August so maybe more prison sentences handed out tomorrow

[JRM]

Another 15 up in the Crown Court tomorrow 17 August so maybe more prison sentences handed out tomorrow

 

how many will that make it? for a nothing incident, this country really is a joke, makes me sick that they get away treating football fans like this. And football bans are a restriction of libery that should be revoked by the government.

 

and on the same day you get stories like this in the echo http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8333601.Child_porn_downloader_escapes_jail_sentence/

 

just lucky he didnt shake a fence in the direction of those kids

[Langleysaint]

how many will that make it? for a nothing incident, this country really is a joke, makes me sick that they get away treating football fans like this. And football bans are a restriction of libery that should be revoked by the government.

 

and on the same day you get stories like this in the echo http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/news/8333601.Child_porn_downloader_escapes_jail_sentence/

 

just lucky he didnt shake a fence in the direction of those kids

 

Totally agree with the above , so much for British Justice when football supporters who do deserve some kind of punishment get prison sentences while Kiddie fiddlers walk free , TOTAL DISGRACE.

[mack rill]

Both sets of supporters were warned by old bill (be Nawty, and the punishment would be Harsh.)

Nealy 100 of us the blue few exchanged our nicotine for Vaseline, after the little (kneesup muver brown) at our gaff,

You lot should expect the same.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

More were arrested against Reading and Plymouth in relation to the P*mpey game. As well as some arrested last week for invading the pitch at the Southend game.

 

OB are squeezing every last charge out possible it seems.

[ohwhenthesaints]

More were arrested against Reading and Plymouth in relation to the P*mpey game. As well as some arrested last week for invading the pitch at the Southend game.

 

OB are squeezing every last charge out possible it seems.

 

Ah so that's why they had the cameras out again is it? Did find the massive police presence at the Plymouth game odd.

[JRM]

There were also a couple of arrests at the bournemouth game for incredibly minor verbals between saints and their fans, guess which side got arrested? Someone has been targeted with getting the banning numbers up and trying every trick possible to do it.

[Junction 9]

Didn't the club/police state they were having a zero tolerance policy for Saints fans this season? It was in the Echo I'm sure, so they have pre-warned everyone.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Didn't the club/police state they were having a zero tolerance policy for Saints fans this season? It was in the Echo I'm sure, so they have pre-warned everyone.

 

Banter and verbals between home and away fans are part and parcel of the game. They happen in every single ground in the world.

 

Next they will have us all stood outside giving the away fans a guard of honour and applause as they enter/leave the stadium. Pathetic.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

My guess is that Nicola Cortese has asked for the old bill to crack down on this type of behaviour.

[Junction 9]

Banter and verbals between home and away fans are part and parcel of the game. They happen in every single ground in the world.

 

Next they will have us all stood outside giving the away fans a guard of honour and applause as they enter/leave the stadium. Pathetic.

 

All I'm saying is that people shouldn't be surprised at a higher police presence or a change of tactics this season. They have stated they were going to do it and are doing so.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

All I'm saying is that people shouldn't be surprised at a higher police presence or a change of tactics this season. They have stated they were going to do it and are doing so.

 

For violent offences, yeah sure, no problem with that... but running on the pitch at the end of the season? Exchanging a few verbals? Really?

[Dalek2003]

Christ on a bike is this still going?

 

People should be able to enjoy watching football without the threat of violence of any kind. If the authorities think its right to dish out stupid punishments compared to other crimes because they think this will result in less threat of violence then who can argue?

 

Im quite impressed that the world cup has gone on with no segragation and no issues and if South Africa can do it then it kinda take the P out of the home of football and all its rivalry doesnt it?

 

totally agree with these sentiments.

[dune]

For violent offences, yeah sure, no problem with that... but running on the pitch at the end of the season? Exchanging a few verbals? Really?

 

If you were out shopping and a drunk was swearing at shoppers would you consider that acceptable behaviour?

[saint_bert]

Banter and verbals between home and away fans are part and parcel of the game. They happen in every single ground in the world.

 

Next they will have us all stood outside giving the away fans a guard of honour and applause as they enter/leave the stadium. Pathetic.

 

When Lallana scored my mate was giving the Bournemouth fans a bit of stick. Not silly, just what you would expect.

 

A copper stopped him, and said any more of that and your nicked.

 

Whats it coming too?

[dune]

When Lallana scored my mate was giving the Bournemouth fans a bit of stick. Not silly, just what you would expect.

 

A copper stopped him, and said any more of that and your nicked.

 

Whats it coming too?

 

That is bad. I can understand the police not accepting swearing and posturing outside the stadium, but inside it's just banter.

[brmbrm]

Banter and verbals between home and away fans are part and parcel of the game. .

 

But it wasn't just banter and verbals, was it?

[brmbrm]

how many will that make it? for a nothing incident, this country really is a joke, makes me sick that they get away treating football fans like this. And football bans are a restriction of libery that should be revoked by the government.

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I assume you had sarcasm here. Why on earth should football fans be above the law?

[rocknrollman no2]

I assume you had sarcasm here. Why on earth should football fans be above the law?

 

I dont think anyone thinks footy fans should be above the law brmbrm,most would just settle for being treated fairly by it.

[The Cat]

I once got threatened with arrest while stood in the Archers singing "Eyal Berkovic what a ******, what a ******" when he came back to the Dell with West Ham.

 

Copper said "anymore of that language and you're nicked". I asked him why considering there were well over 500 people singing the song, to which he replied "but you're the nearest". Mental.

 

Seems like a change in policing policy recently. Let things get a bit heated and stand back, film the lot and make loads of arrests afterwards. Might it not be better to try and stop things getting out of hand in the first place.

[wessex saint]

totally agree with these sentiments.

 

Mmm .. me too sort of...

There's obviously an agenda going on to get shot of the little twits who have recently been causing grief at home and away games (I think they're called the Romsey Massive.. or sometimes Stu's mates--obviously he is NEVER involved in any incidents but unfortunately just happens to witness them all).

Anyhow the SA World Cup passed off without incident cos it was too faraway and too expensive for the orrible little chavs who would have caused grief.

BTW.. opening local news item last Monday was about how a load of Bristol City fans attacked a coach of Millwall after the game.. well away from the ground - smashing windows - a guy got dragged out and kicked to ****.. those ass holes are still out there and they're just waiting for the opportunity.

Ban the ****ers looking for trouble and I'll feel a lot safer taking my boy to games...

[La BoIS Saint]

There is a world of difference between a few verbals, part of the fun of going away, and actual physical violence.

[wessex saint]

There is a world of difference between a few verbals, part of the fun of going away, and actual physical violence.

 

i agree

[Arizona]

Mmm .. me too sort of...

There's obviously an agenda going on to get shot of the little twits who have recently been causing grief at home and away games (I think they're called the Romsey Massive.. or sometimes Stu's mates--obviously he is NEVER involved in any incidents but unfortunately just happens to witness them all).

Anyhow the SA World Cup passed off without incident cos it was too faraway and too expensive for the orrible little chavs who would have caused grief.

BTW.. opening local news item last Monday was about how a load of Bristol City fans attacked a coach of Millwall after the game.. well away from the ground - smashing windows - a guy got dragged out and kicked to ****.. those ass holes are still out there and they're just waiting for the opportunity.

Ban the ****ers looking for trouble and I'll feel a lot safer taking my boy to games...

 

Was out running through Bristol at the time they were kicking out the Millwall fans. Large herd being Shepherded through the centre of town. Didn't see any violence as such because there was a small army of Police lining the streets, but there was a nasty atmosphere. Somehow ended up in the middle of a group of Millwall fans, then suddenly one shouted, "City fans!" and they all legged it down the street after them. Nasty atmosphere.

[wessex saint]

Was out running through Bristol at the time they were kicking out the Millwall fans. Large herd being Shepherded through the centre of town. Didn't see any violence as such because there was a small army of Police lining the streets, but there was a nasty atmosphere. Somehow ended up in the middle of a group of Millwall fans, then suddenly one shouted, "City fans!" and they all legged it down the street after them. Nasty atmosphere.

 

thay showed cctv of the attack... all kicked off whilst 'scarfers' like me and my boy walked past.

Looked bloody nasty and bc FANS were guilty of being proper nasty. BIG 'sigh'.... hope the coppers have got a grip on our nasty little chavs...

[JRM]

1) for those of you who delight in labelling people 'little chavs' are just being snobs, football has always been a tribal game where young working class lads have gone along together, its not Rugby and if it becomes like that it will be a sad day. 2) you seem to be missing the fact the old bill are going after saints fans trying to issue bans all over the place, compared to most clubs are support is already sedate and boring there really isn't a problem that the echo story tried to portray. Football is an easy source of arrests for them.

[dune]

1) for those of you who delight in labelling people 'little chavs' are just being snobs, football has always been a tribal game where young working class lads have gone along together, its not Rugby and if it becomes like that it will be a sad day. 2) you seem to be missing the fact the old bill are going after saints fans trying to issue bans all over the place, compared to most clubs are support is already sedate and boring there really isn't a problem that the echo story tried to portray. Football is an easy source of arrests for them.

 

Why did you use the term "sedate and boring" instead of law abiding and civilised?

 

Also the vast majority of working class youngsters are not feral yobs.

[Turkish]

The CPS would not prosecute unless there is sufficient evidence. These people have not just "rattled" a fence. They were probably picked up outside the ground on camera folding a brick or a stick. Whether they used it or not is not the case, the intention was there and that would be enough for prosecution.

 

Stephen Jordan, 49, of the same address, who pushed and pulled at the fencing, told police it seemed the good opportunity for “a toe to toe” fight. It was feared his business, which employed 14 people, would go under with a prison sentence.

 

Michael Byles, 24, of Aldermoor Road, Southampton, handed himself after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo. He had been filmed grabbing the fence and shouting aggressively

 

From the echo website, two jailed for grabbing or shaking a fence. One of which has a business, unlike the child porn businessman he was not spared jail due to this though.

 

Although to be fair i would probably jail someone for 'folding a brick' they must be as strong as Sansom.

[Turkish]

Well then they should have gone for a beer after the game instead of shouting aggressively. If the police weren't between the fans im sure they wouldn't have acted so "hard" They are grown men. Maybe they should grow up a little.

 

They couldn't all the pubs were shut. In anycase regardless of what they should have done, do you agree or not, that jail for shaking a fence and shouting is ridiculous? Particularly in consideration that the child porn guy was spared jail due to the effect on his business and the guy here was not.

[dune]

Stephen Jordan, 49

 

This was the father of another yob arrested. I can unserstand how some immature youngsters might get carried away in the heat of the moment but this guy is almost a pensioner ffs.

[CB Saint]

Stephen Jordan, 49, of the same address, who pushed and pulled at the fencing, told police it seemed the good opportunity for “a toe to toe” fight. It was feared his business, which employed 14 people, would go under with a prison sentence.

Michael Byles, 24, of Aldermoor Road, Southampton, handed himself after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo. He had been filmed grabbing the fence and shouting aggressively

 

From the echo website, two jailed for grabbing or shaking a fence. One of which has a business, unlike the child porn businessman he was not spared jail due to this though.

 

Although to be fair i would probably jail someone for 'folding a brick' they must be as strong as Sansom.

 

You would like to think that he was old enough and, with a good size business, responsible enough to know better. -In his case it wasn't just the fence shaking, it was the intent to have a good "toe to toe" fight.

 

There are evidently issues with sentancing but everyone knows the score, if it's football related the penalties are magnified - so don't do it.

[KK the 2nd]

I do not condone violence or threatening behaviour in anyway, these people are adults and should be held accountable for their actions. However I believe justice and punishment should be fair and proportionate. This seems absurd. By all means prosecute but surely a fine or community service would be more appropriate.

[Turkish]

I do not condone violence or threatening behaviour in anyway, these people are adults and should be held accountable for their actions. However I believe justice and punishment should be fair and proportionate. This seems absurd. By all means prosecute but surely a fine or community service would be more appropriate.

 

My thoughts exactly, no one is saying there should be no punishment, but a fine, community services, maybe even just a three year football ban with the threat of something more severe if caught again would suffice. Most of these guys weren't know to the police as troublemakers, what it is is a good story for the echo, who absolutely loved it, headline news on 6 occasions now i believe and a few easy nickings and a bit redemptin for the police who IMO created a situation where this could have happened by letting both sets of fans out at the same time.

[dune]

I do not condone violence or threatening behaviour in anyway, these people are adults and should be held accountable for their actions. However I believe justice and punishment should be fair and proportionate. This seems absurd. By all means prosecute but surely a fine or community service would be more appropriate.

 

A fine or comunity service sends out the message to the yobs that they can misbehave and get a slap on the wrist. These sentences were all about issuing a detterent to others and imo they will serve the purpose and we will see a reduction in trouble at Saints games.

[Turkish]

A fine or comunity service sends out the message to the yobs that they can misbehave and get a slap on the wrist. These sentences were all about issuing a detterent to others and imo they will serve the purpose and we will see a reduction in trouble at Saints games.

 

In that case the courts have just sent out a message that it is okay to look at child porn.

[dune]

In that case the courts have just sent out a message that it is okay to look at child porn.

 

There can be no defence of the outcome of that case.

[docker-p]

When the police have eradicated, child abuse, violence in the home, drug smuggling, people trafficking, money laundering and international and domestic terrorism I would be delighted for them to crack down hard on Saints fans who went a bit OTT last season. But until they've done that this is a bloody disgraceful waste of tax payers money; which amounts to tens of thousands, when you think of police man hours, court appearances, solicitors, barristers, and the price of locking someone. Nuts. All to send a message you shouldn't shout and swear and bob up and down in the street.

 

Sleep easy anyone involved in serious crime, the OB have bigger fish to fry.

[dune]

When the police have eradicated, child abuse, violence in the home, drug smuggling, people trafficking, money laundering and international and domestic terrorism I would be delighted for them to crack down hard on Saints fans who went a bit OTT last season. But until they've done that this is a bloody disgraceful waste of tax payers money; which amounts to tens of thousands, when you think of police man hours, court appearances, solicitors, barristers, and the price of locking someone. Nuts. All to send a message you shouldn't shout and swear and bob up and down in the street.

 

Sleep easy anyone involved in serious crime, the OB have bigger fish to fry.

 

You're completely wrong and i'll tell you why you're wrong. It costs a huge amount to police games because of a small minority of yobs. These people are costing all of us money because it comes from the public purse and the club so it's taxpayers and supporters that are paying the price for these hoodlums. For this reason it is a good thing that a strong detterent has been issued because the effect will eventually be that they will behave and the cost to all of us will come down.