Saints fans jailed

[westofshannonsaint]

.... Hope you aren't a ABE?

 

I don't know what that is, so I don't think I am.

[hamster]

Anyone But England

 

It's all the rage apparently, all over the world people hate us.

[westofshannonsaint]

Anyone But England

 

Oh, then sorry, I am:lol: & my prediction of ye being knocked out to Germany/Argentina on Penalties might come true . but what's football without rivalry & friendly banter.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

I can't believe how the police did it, it's a cunning honey-trap. First, they fix the FA Cup draw so that Southampton play Portsmouth at home. Then for days beforehand they warn against violence and communicate that it will be punished. Then, they put up a massive ****ing fence to segregate fans. Lastly, they force a load of grown men to chuck stuff over a fence and damage cars in a garage forecourt, in public, with children around, and hey presto, they've honeytrapped 12 idiots.

 

They must be geniuses.

 

By the way, I still can't believe we've got 13 pages of people trying to argue that criminals shouldn't go to prison.

[Turkish]

I can't believe how the police did it, it's a cunning honey-trap. First, they fix the FA Cup draw so that Southampton play Portsmouth at home. Then for days beforehand they warn against violence and communicate that it will be punished. Then, they put up a massive ****ing fence to segregate fans. Lastly, they force a load of grown men to chuck stuff over a fence and damage cars in a garage forecourt, in public, with children around, and hey presto, they've honeytrapped 12 idiots.

 

They must be geniuses.

 

By the way, I still can't believe we've got 13 pages of people trying to argue that criminals shouldn't go to prison.

 

Who has said that? Yet another one who hasn't got a clue. No one, for probably the 50th time says that they shouldn't be punished, no one says the police forced anyone to do anything. What people are saying, if you bother to read the thread properly, is that the police could have avoided the whole thing by doing what every police force in the country does at hostile game. Hold the away fans in.

 

By the way i cant believe we've got 13 pages of people still claiming that everyone who thinks 12 months in prision for shouting aggesively is harsh is saying its totally the polices fault and the offenders shouldn't be punished

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Who has said that? Yet another one who hasn't got a clue. No one, for probably the 50th time says that they shouldn't be punished, no one says the police forced anyone to do anything. What people are saying, if you bother to read the thread properly, is that the police could have avoided the whole thing by doing what every police force in the country does at hostile game. Hold the away fans in.

 

By the way i cant believe we've got 13 pages of people still claiming that everyone who thinks 12 months in prision for shouting aggesively is harsh is saying its totally the polices fault and the offenders shouldn't be punished

 

What they should have done is not allowed any fans, from either side to watch it and it should have been played behind closed doors.

 

And people are saying they don't deserve a custodia sentence.

[mickn]

As some sort of comparison let me tell you about my nephew who was in court this week. He was in town a while ago and got into some sort of disagreement with a barman which ended with him throwing a bottle over the bar and smashing an optic. Whether it was aimed at the barman I don't know. He was in court this week and received a 12 week suspended sentance, 12 months probation, £100 fine and has to attend an alchohol awareness course. He has been in prison twice before for violence issues so has history. Now, I do not condone in anyway what the 12 Saints fans did and in fact they deserve punishment obviously but it has to be said that the severity of the sentancing is way over the top compared to my nephew's.

[Turkish]

He was joking you saints forum mong!

 

[Surman4no7shirt]

This thread is pointless, anyone who has an opinion that is different to Turkish's or Sour Mash's is just told they "haven’t got a clue" or don't know what they are talking about. It's not a discussion or a debate anymore. "If you bother to read the thread properly," It's just 13 pages of people being told their opinion is wrong because they agree with the sentencing or the way the police acted.

 

So to summarise, everyone agrees what they did is wrong. Some people think the police should be held accountable because they disagree with the way they handled it, others think the police hold no blame. Some people think the sentence is fair, others think it is over the top. The majority agree there is some problem with consistency in sentencing in UK courts, whether this opinion is in the favour of the accused in this case or against the sentencing of other culprits in other cases is however, disputed.

 

Does anyone know who we are going to sign next?

[Scottydog67]

I think there are more to appear in court, the 12 sentenced this week were the first set of cctv pics in the echo, more to face court as the 2nd set of people caught on cctv images have yet to be sentenced.

[Turkish]

This thread is pointless, anyone who has an opinion that is different to Turkish's or Sour Mash's is just told they "haven’t got a clue" or don't know what they are talking about. It's not a discussion or a debate anymore. "If you bother to read the thread properly," It's just 13 pages of people being told their opinion is wrong because they agree with the sentencing or the way the police acted.

 

So to summarise, everyone agrees what they did is wrong. Some people think the police should be held accountable because they disagree with the way they handled it, others think the police hold no blame. Some people think the sentence is fair, others think it is over the top. The majority agree there is some problem with consistency in sentencing in UK courts, whether this opinion is in the favour of the accused in this case or against the sentencing of other culprits in other cases is however, disputed.

 

Does anyone know who we are going to sign next?

 

The problem is the thread just goes round and round because people dont read the posts above and assumes everyone who thinks the sentances are over top and chimes in with 'i dont see how anyone can say its the fault of the police, they had a choice to do what that'

 

My stances in summary is this

1/ They were idiots for getting involved

2/ They deserve to be punished

3/ In view of what they did, especially the one who got 12 months for shouting aggressively, i dont think any deserve prison, bans, fines etc but not prision

4/ The police do need to be questioned and accountable as to why they allowed both sets of fan leave the ground at the same time as i have never heard of this happening at any other derby anywhere when such animosity exists between the fans. It is asking for trouble.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

As some sort of comparison let me tell you about my nephew who was in court this week. He was in town a while ago and got into some sort of disagreement with a barman which ended with him throwing a bottle over the bar and smashing an optic. Whether it was aimed at the barman I don't know. He was in court this week and received a 12 week suspended sentance, 12 months probation, £100 fine and has to attend an alchohol awareness course. He has been in prison twice before for violence issues so has history. Now, I do not condone in anyway what the 12 Saints fans did and in fact they deserve punishment obviously but it has to be said that the severity of the sentancing is way over the top compared to my nephew's.

 

Was he at a football match? If not, then it's not really a comparison. Football violence has be dealt with more harshly. And people were warned.

[saintjay77]

The problem is the thread just goes round and round because people dont read the posts above and assumes everyone who thinks the sentances are over top and chimes in with 'i dont see how anyone can say its the fault of the police, they had a choice to do what that'

 

My stances in summary is this

1/ They were idiots for getting involved

2/ They deserve to be punished

3/ In view of what they did, especially the one who got 12 months for shouting aggressively, i dont think any deserve prison, bans, fines etc but not prision

4/ The police do need to be questioned and accountable as to why they allowed both sets of fan leave the ground at the same time as i have never heard of this happening at any other derby anywhere when such animosity exists between the fans. It is asking for trouble.

 

I can honestly see your point and like I have said a number of times, compared to sentances elsewhere away from football these sentances seem as mad as a box of frogs.

 

But, there are countless opinions given as to why they let them out at the same time and why the sentances are so tough. They will also probably appeal and have there sentances reduced.

 

The press building up the game before hand and the publicity on the fence and police before hand and the dramatisation from the press after meant that Football related trouble had to be stamped on quick and hard. Joe blogs from skegness probably couldnt give a rats arse but Like someone else suggested, FIFA would be watching out for all football related trouble and would no doubt consider it when deciding who gets the World Cup or any other footballing events.

 

They would have probably seen the inital trouble and how it was dealt with and no doubt heard about the sentancing. Will any appeal be as public?

 

All IMO of course but its quite possible the above has had something to do with it.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Me: By the way, I still can't believe we've got 13 pages of people trying to argue that criminals shouldn't go to prison.

 

Turkish: Who has said that? Yet another one who hasn't got a clue.

 

3/ In view of what they did, especially the one who got 12 months for shouting aggressively, i dont think any deserve prison, bans, fines etc but not prision

 

See above. I suggest you're just trying to cause an argument looking at this. Oh and by the way, as a Law graduate, I suggest I have more of an idea than you.

[Wiltshire Saint]

What people are saying, if you bother to read the thread properly, is that the police could have avoided the whole thing by doing what every police force in the country does at hostile game. Hold the away fans in.

 

And what other people are saying, if you manage to understand it, is that these hooligans CHOSE to act in an aggressive manner and are being punished. Good. Why are these criminals unable to control themselves because they happen to have attended a match where the away fans were not kept in? What is it about them that means that they HAVE to act in the way they did? The answer is because they are a bunch of mindless c*nts and getting them off the streets for even a short time is a positive thing for society, so law-abiding citizens, who can control themselves, regardless of whether away fans are about, can live peaceful lives, free from the fear of violence.

[Sour Mash]

but if the punishment disuades others from copying the crime in the future,then surely that can only be a good thing.....the trouble in this country is that we are so used to the courts handing out namby-pamby sentences/punishments that when they do come down hard on certain elements of society, we are shocked (sometimes a good shock, sometimes not-so-good).

i stand by my theory though that this will send shockwaves through ,at least, the younger element of troublemakers, who, up to now, it has all been fun n games for.....intimidate a few people as you walk to a game,get in a few people's faces, give someone a little slap etc,.......push a fence??........

can we PLEASE end this f**kin' thread now.......it's just tedious......

 

Hanging them from the gallows would dissuade others from misbehaving in the future, doesn't mean that it would be in anyway the right or fair thing to do.

 

As I've asked on here before, how many people really EVER feel unsafe going to football? There are no major problems. I know loads of families and old people that go and don't feel remotely unsafe at any time, so what are these really major issues that you're going on about that you feel need this excessive sentencing? (And before you say anything, I'm sure there is the odd incident here and there and there'll bound to be someone with an example, but as a whole, there is no problem in football at the moment).

[Turkish]

Me: By the way, I still can't believe we've got 13 pages of people trying to argue that criminals shouldn't go to prison.

 

Turkish: Who has said that? Yet another one who hasn't got a clue.

 

 

 

See above. I suggest you're just trying to cause an argument looking at this. Oh and by the way, as a Law graduate, I suggest I have more of an idea than you.

 

Oh look what we have here,yet another arrogant graduate who spent the whole of their early twenties getting ****ed on grants and loans and now thinks they are a cut above everyone else and the world owes them a living.

 

And no not EVERY criminal should go to prison.

Edited 24 June, 2010 by Turkish

[once_bitterne]

Is this thread still rumbling on.... I think that we can summarise by saying there are two camps, one for people who actually like football who are capable of going home after a match without getting into any trouble and feel that anyone who does deserves exactly what they get, and those who care little for football and who's matchday experience centres around having a ruck with opposing fans.....

[mickn]

Was he at a football match? If not, then it's not really a comparison. Football violence has be dealt with more harshly. And people were warned.

 

No, it was a night out

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Oh look what we have here,yet another arrogant graduate who spent the whole of their early twenties getting ****ed on grants and loans and now thinks they are a cut above everyone else and the world owes them a living.

 

And no not EVERY criminal should go to prison.

 

Oh, look what we have here, another mindless thug who believes that just because they left school at 16 believes that anyone who wants to better themselves and not spend their life screwing the systems for benefits obviously did so by getting grants and government funding. You're so out of ****ing touch it's embarrassing. And world owes them a living, what are you on about. I have a decent job because I worked hard, not because it's been handed to me. People who criticise those who go to University tend to be cash in hand, **** the state, disability allowance grabbing, benefits cheating scum.

 

And no, every criminal does not deserve to go to prison, but I for one am happy these idiots are off the street. Let's hope they find your picture on the next load of CCTV shots eh?

[Noodles34]

Was he at a football match? If not, then it's not really a comparison. Football violence has be dealt with more harshly. And people were warned.

 

so if i am NOT warned to murder a child then i should be alright?

[Turkish]

Oh, look what we have here, another mindless thug who believes that just because they left school at 16 believes that anyone who wants to better themselves and not spend their life screwing the systems for benefits obviously did so by getting grants and government funding. You're so out of ****ing touch it's embarrassing. And world owes them a living, what are you on about. I have a decent job because I worked hard, not because it's been handed to me. People who criticise those who go to University tend to be cash in hand, **** the state, disability allowance grabbing, benefits cheating scum.

 

And no, every criminal does not deserve to go to prison, but I for one am happy these idiots are off the street. Let's hope they find your picture on the next load of CCTV shots eh?

 

Yep, thats me, unemployed, lazing around, on here all day as no job to worry about and living off benefits. Lucky for me amazing people like you who like to talk themselves up about their education and fanstatic job wil pay for me to do this. Who is the bigger mug?

 

Just so you know pal, I dont feel the need to prove myself with quips about my education and work and how much better idea i have than someone else because, guess what, i am graduate, whoop whoop for me!!!

 

Oh and as for your cheap shot about seeing me on CCTV, they wont, i walked that way from the ground, i saw what went on from about 20 foot away, i chose not to get involved, that makes me an eye witness, not someone who read the paper, saw the youtube clippings and made an opinion based on media frenzy and internet posts. As an eyewitness to a 'crime' scene, i think that give me more idea than any book you may have read in a class room. And in any case, why are you on here, should someone as self righteous as you not be stealing time from their employer by using the internet for none work related purposes during working hours? Got to go, i need to pop down the offy for some more cans of cider and fags to watch todays games on my 50 inch plazma hard working mugs like you paid for.

Edited 24 June, 2010 by Turkish

[View From The Top]

Is this thread still rumbling on.... I think that we can summarise by saying there are two camps, one for people who actually like football who are capable of going home after a match without getting into any trouble and feel that anyone who does deserves exactly what they get, and those who care little for football and who's matchday experience centres around having a ruck with opposing fans.....

 

Here fishy fishy. It's a nice juicy worm.

[saintjay77]

so if i am NOT warned to murder a child then i should be alright?

 

But if you were warned not to murder a child at a specific time and place and then the police turned out in numbers, errected a huge fence to keep you apart from said child and stood around filming you trying to get at it looking like you wanted to murder it.

 

Would you not expect the Police to come down hard on you?

[exit2]

Basically again these guys are being made an example of and the sooner people relise that when they got caught up in trouble at football this is what happens .

 

Football + Violence = Custodial Sentence, right or wrong this is what happens and nowt is going to change it. The british goverment and courts have a big bee in their bonnet about football violence which I dont think will go away for years to come. You only have to look at some of the sentences handed out to non related football issues.

[View From The Top]

Basically again these guys are being made an example of and the sooner people relise that when they got caught up in trouble at football this is what happens .

 

Football + Violence = Custodial Sentence, right or wrong this is what happens and nowt is going to change it. The british goverment and courts have a big bee in their bonnet about football violence which I dont think will go away for years to come. You only have to look at some of the sentences handed out to non related football issues.

 

But that simply isn't true is it or the fellas who laid into the Yeovil fans that were on the deck would have (and should have IMHO) been sent down as well.

 

However, you are correct, IMHO, the they are being made an example of.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Yep, thats me, unemployed, lazing around, on here all day as no job to worry about and living off benefits. Lucky for me amazing people like you who like to talk themselves up about their education and fanstatic job wil pay for me to do this. Who is the bigger mug?

 

Just so you know pal, I dont feel the need to prove myself with quips about my education and work and how much better idea i have than someone else because, guess what, i am graduate, whoop whoop for me!!!

 

Oh and as for your cheap shot about seeing me on CCTV, they wont, i walked that way from the ground, i saw what went on from about 20 foot away, i chose not to get involved, that makes me an eye witness, not someone who read the paper, saw the youtube clippings and made an opinion based on media frenzy and internet posts. As an eyewitness to a 'crime' scene, i think that give me more idea than any book you may have read in a class room. And in any case, why are you on here, should someone as self righteous as you not be stealing time from their employer by using the internet for none work related purposes during working hours? Got to go, i need to pop down the offy for some more cans of cider and fags to watch todays games on my 50 inch plazma hard working mugs like you paid for.

 

So what your saying is that I am not more qualified to judge a legal situation than you, even though I have studied Law for a number of years? Unless you have done the same or served at her majesties pleasure, I don't think you are. I suppose you realise that aggresive shouting, for instance 'I'm gonna kill you Pompey scum' is actually seen as an assault as well then?

 

I'm not self righteous, I'm just reacting to you acting like a prat and judging me on the back of the fact that you blatantly know sweet fa about the law, if you could be at the crimescene and not realise that kind of behaviour can lead to custodials. Lets put it this way. They're in prison. Which means your opinion is null and void.

[Dibden Purlieu Saint]

Basically again these guys are being made an example of and the sooner people relise that when they got caught up in trouble at football this is what happens .

 

Football + Violence = Custodial Sentence, right or wrong this is what happens and nowt is going to change it. The british goverment and courts have a big bee in their bonnet about football violence which I dont think will go away for years to come. You only have to look at some of the sentences handed out to non related football issues.

 

'Bee in their bonnet', lol. Heysel was pretty serious y'know.

[Sour Mash]

So what your saying is that I am not more qualified to judge a legal situation than you, even though I have studied Law for a number of years? Unless you have done the same or served at her majesties pleasure, I don't think you are. I suppose you realise that aggresive shouting, for instance 'I'm gonna kill you Pompey scum' is actually seen as an assault as well then?

 

I'm not self righteous, I'm just reacting to you acting like a prat and judging me on the back of the fact that you blatantly know sweet fa about the law, if you could be at the crimescene and not realise that kind of behaviour can lead to custodials. Lets put it this way. They're in prison. Which means your opinion is null and void.

 

You haven't in any of your posts on this subject demonstrated a greater knowledge or understanding of any of this compared to any of us lesser mortals without a law degree. Most on here have an understanding of what the law is and understand roughly the definition of violent disorder and that it can carry with it a custodial sentence. What exactly is your point?

[100%Red&White]

So what your saying is that I am not more qualified to judge a legal situation than you, even though I have studied Law for a number of years?

 

I suppose you realise that aggresive shouting, for instance 'I'm gonna kill you Pompey scum' is actually seen as an assault as well then?.

 

You should have studied grammar a little more closely tbf

 

And how many Saints fans will find themselves banged-up by the end of next season if "When I was just a little boy.........." continues inside SMS.

[Guest Dark Sotonic Mills]

You should have studied grammar a little more closely tbf

 

And how many Saints fans will find themselves banged-up by the end of next season if "When I was just a little boy.........." continues inside SMS.

 

Every single one of them, I hope. Cringeworthy song just like Pompey fan on a string...

[Turkish]

So what your saying is that I am not more qualified to judge a legal situation than you, even though I have studied Law for a number of years? Unless you have done the same or served at her majesties pleasure, I don't think you are. I suppose you realise that aggresive shouting, for instance 'I'm gonna kill you Pompey scum' is actually seen as an assault as well then?

 

I'm not self righteous, I'm just reacting to you acting like a prat and judging me on the back of the fact that you blatantly know sweet fa about the law, if you could be at the crimescene and not realise that kind of behaviour can lead to custodials. Lets put it this way. They're in prison. Which means your opinion is null and void.

 

As is your opinion, your houour. As i have already stated i dont need to talk myself up with what i do for a job, what i did for education as its not important. I would beg to differ on your stance of being self righteous, 'i've studied law' 'i'm got a degree' 'i'm more qualified than you' 'i've got a good job because i work hard' and believes that everyone that leaves school at 16 is a noone and screwing the system for benifits, (you might want to ask Alan Sugar about that theory?) are self righteous comments in the extreme.

 

And what do you base your view that i know sweet FA on the law on then? That i dont agree with your view that they should be banged up? I do know that sort of behaviour CAN lead to custodials, but in these circumstances IMO it should not have. As 'a person of reasonable firmness' as the law would put it, i never felt in fear of my saftey, from 20 foot away and saw pretty much all of it. I did know that shouting 'i am gonna kill you Pompey fan' could be seen as assualt, (you can be guilty of assault just be touching someone without their consent) but they weren't charged with assault so dont see what your point is. It could also be seen as threats to kill, which carries up to 10 years, or if he'd shouted it and two other people had heard and agreed they too were 'going to kill' Pompey fans, it could be considered consipracy to murder which would carry life. I know this because i do and through life experience, not because i read it in a book. But then what would i know? I clearly know FA about the law and am not quailified.

Edited 24 June, 2010 by Turkish

[100%Red&White]

Cringeworthy song just like Pompey fan on a string...

 

True.

[Rowan Gorilla 5]

How is it wrong that law-breakers are being made an example of? It's just a shame that more law-breakers are not made an example of.

[ericofarabia]

After ages of trawling thru You Tube etc I've given up searching for it, but if somebody finds it could they please please pretty please post a link to The Not The Nine O Clock News sketch with the debate on Football Hooliganism.

 

OFF WITH THEIR GOOLIES .... that would work as a pretty good detterent i reckon

[PhilB]

Are you saying that them losing their jobs, having their lives turned upside down, children having their parents taken away is an acceptable punishment for throwing a fookin coin?

 

You seriously are retarded.

 

The only retard on here is you. They should of thought about their mindless action first. Christ some Shiite comes out of your gob

[Block 5]

Oh, look what we have here, another mindless thug who believes that just because they left school at 16 believes that anyone who wants to better themselves and not spend their life screwing the systems for benefits obviously did so by getting grants and government funding. You're so out of ****ing touch it's embarrassing. And world owes them a living, what are you on about. I have a decent job because I worked hard, not because it's been handed to me. People who criticise those who go to University tend to be cash in hand, **** the state, disability allowance grabbing, benefits cheating scum.

 

And no, every criminal does not deserve to go to prison, but I for one am happy these idiots are off the street. Let's hope they find your picture on the next load of CCTV shots eh?

 

I shan't get involved in this thread other than to say that this is one of the most arrogant posts I've ever seen on this forum.

 

Priceless!

[Turkish]

I shan't get involved in this thread other than to say that this is one of the most arrogant posts I've ever seen on this forum.

 

Priceless!

 

No, no, he is right, he studied law, he is a superior being to anyone that didn't.

[Smirking_Saint]

Lol at this thread getting to 13 pages worth of pointless boll*cks.

 

Anyone that actually believes these guys got 12 months for shaking a fence and perhaps throwing a coin is almost as f*cking moronic as the goons that have gone down for acting like tw*ts in full view of the police and cameras.

 

Everyone knows that football violence carries harsher sentancing, and saying 'think about the people and their families etc' Boll*cks, i feel sorry for their families for being related to such a bunch of idiots, i don't feel sorry for someone that goes out and commits a crime, i wouldn't feel sorry for someone that lost their driving licence for being over the limit, i wouldn't feel sorry for someone that went down for throwing a punch in town when 'he is not normally like that' and i certainly don't feel for these guys.

 

Hopefully a stint inside will make them actually THINK about their families, jobs etc themselves.

[Sour Mash]

Lol at this thread getting to 13 pages worth of pointless boll*cks.

 

Anyone that actually believes these guys got 12 months for shaking a fence and perhaps throwing a coin is almost as f*cking moronic as the goons that have gone down for acting like tw*ts in full view of the police and cameras.

 

Whys that then?

[Smirking_Saint]

Whys that then?

 

If you really can't understand what i am implying is there any point in trying to explain ?

[Turkish]

Lol at this thread getting to 13 pages worth of pointless boll*cks.

 

Anyone that actually believes these guys got 12 months for shaking a fence and perhaps throwing a coin is almost as f*cking moronic as the goons that have gone down for acting like tw*ts in full view of the police and cameras.

 

Everyone knows that football violence carries harsher sentancing, and saying 'think about the people and their families etc' Boll*cks, i feel sorry for their families for being related to such a bunch of idiots, i don't feel sorry for someone that goes out and commits a crime, i wouldn't feel sorry for someone that lost their driving licence for being over the limit, i wouldn't feel sorry for someone that went down for throwing a punch in town when 'he is not normally like that' and i certainly don't feel for these guys.

 

Hopefully a stint inside will make them actually THINK about their families, jobs etc themselves.

 

here it is in black and white, from the echo website. Shaking a fence, shouting aggresively, throwing a coin, confirms what i saw on the day, not a lot and not enough to warrrant prison. Obviously makes me f****** moronic.

Builder and former Royal Navy marine engineer Christopher Stevens, 46, of Stagbrake Close, Southampton, was jailed for 12 months. He was seen to shake the barrier fence and throw two missiles after drinking eight pints of lager. Defence barrister James Horder said he had attended more than 500 Southampton matches and was “deeply ashamed” at his behaviour after getting “caught up” in events. The judge said: “You are a family man and devoted Southampton fan and this drunken violence was plainly out of character.”

 

 

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■ Scaffolder and father of one James Smith, 34, of Brentwood Crescent, Southampton, was jailed for 12 months.

 

Richard Tutt, defending, said the Saints ticket holder was “ashamed and remorseful.” He admitted throwing one stone towards Portsmouth fans.

 

 

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■ Michael Byles, 24, of Aldermoor Road, Southampton, handed himself after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo. He had been filmed grabbing the fence and shouting aggressively. Said to have previous convictions for public order offences in 2006, 2007 and 2009, he admitted he was drunk and ashamed. He was jailed for 16 months.

 

 

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■ Marcus Bevan, a 23-year-old plumber, of Warburton Road, Southampton, hurled five or six missiles and tried to climb over a fence at get out at Portsmouth fans. As a football coach and player for Brockenhurst, the judge said his actions were “particularly disgraceful”. Admitting he was now ashamed, he was locked up for 16 months.

 

 

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■ Cameron Jordan, 23, of Middle Road, Sholing, Southampton, was filmed pulling on the fence and launching a substantial piece of plastic at Portsmouth fans. At the time he was on bail for a similar offence when he drove a group of Thornhill youths to an armed fight with a gang from Townhill in which he was stabbed in the buttock. He was jailed for a total of 34 months.

 

 

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■ His father, Stephen Jordan, 49, of the same address, who pushed and pulled at the fencing, told police it seemed the good opportunity for “a toe to toe” fight. It was feared his business, which employed 14 people, would go under with a prison sentence.

 

The judge said he was “sceptical” that Jordan was remorseful and jailed him for 12 months.

 

 

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■ Xavier White, 22, of Wilton Road, Southampton, had his hopes of an Army career with the Parachute Regiment shattered after he was seen to throw missiles.

 

He was sentenced to 12 months

 

 

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■ Carpenter Matthew Hinton, 19, of Hillside Avenue, Southampton, handed himself in to the police after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo. He admitted he had drunk too much and described his behaviour as “ridiculous.”

 

He was jailed for 12 months.

 

 

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■ James Koral, 20, of Haddon Drive, Eastleigh, who had a previous conviction for battery, threw four objects at Portsmouth fans after getting caught up with things in “the heat of the moment”. He also handed himself in after seeing his picture in the Daily Echo and his participation had cost him his job as a British Gas call centre advisor.

 

He also got 12 months.

 

 

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■ Lewis Buckley, 24, of The Millburns, Romsey, admitted throwing two coins in anger after being struck on the leg by an object thrown by a rival fan. He also surrendered himself to the police and claimed he had “no desire” to watch another football match again. He received 12 months.

 

 

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■ Recently married Kevin Medway, 28, of Grenville Court, Townhill Park, had knocked back ten pints before he was seen throwing something, pushing at a fence and being aggressive. He also received 12 months.

 

 

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■ Allan Taylor, 30, of Wilton Road, Southampton, who was said to have a personality disorder, specifically went to the match knowing there would be trouble and hoped he would get hurt.

 

Taylor, who had previous convictions for violent disorder and assault, had a 15-month sentence imposed.

Edited 24 June, 2010 by Turkish

[Sour Mash]

If you really can't understand what i am implying is there any point in trying to explain ?

 

Go on, give it a try.

[View From The Top]

Lol at this thread getting to 13 pages worth of pointless boll*cks.

 

Anyone that actually believes these guys got 12 months for shaking a fence and perhaps throwing a coin is almost as f*cking moronic as the goons that have gone down for acting like tw*ts in full view of the police and cameras.

 

Everyone knows that football violence carries harsher sentancing, and saying 'think about the people and their families etc' Boll*cks, i feel sorry for their families for being related to such a bunch of idiots, i don't feel sorry for someone that goes out and commits a crime, i wouldn't feel sorry for someone that lost their driving licence for being over the limit, i wouldn't feel sorry for someone that went down for throwing a punch in town when 'he is not normally like that' and i certainly don't feel for these guys.

 

Hopefully a stint inside will make them actually THINK about their families, jobs etc themselves.

 

Think of it this way. What disorder was there apart from some idiots lobbing stuff and shaking a fence?

 

If there had been any other serious disorder in and around the garage surely it would of A) Been included in the charges. B) Been mentioned in court. C) Been included in the press releases put together at Bitterne nick by the CID team investigating events.

 

The OB set out to catch a genuine hooligan element and ended up bagging a bunch of barmies, all of course, IMHO.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

That is sickening that someone can be jailed for shaking a fence, costing them their business, not just that but the knock on effect of putting 14 people out of work.

 

Seriously sickening and yes they all deserved to be punished, but to lose your business and livelyhood over shaking a fence? Really?

[Smirking_Saint]

Think of it this way. What disorder was there apart from some idiots lobbing stuff and shaking a fence?

 

If there had been any other serious disorder in and around the garage surely it would of A) Been included in the charges. B) Been mentioned in court. C) Been included in the press releases put together at Bitterne nick by the CID team investigating events.

 

The OB set out to catch a genuine hooligan element and ended up bagging a bunch of barmies, all of course, IMHO.

 

But that problem with this form of 'violent disorder' is that in can also looked at as incitement, the police IMO failed to adequately control it and could have easily avoided it, however they also managed to stop it escalating into something far far more serious. This is what was obviously taken into account when handing out the sentancing and rightly so.

 

A fight in a street between two people for example is just more or less going to be contained.

 

The problem when the same happens between two groups of people that share a common bond (football teams) is that more and more will be dragged into the ensuing violence.

 

As much as the Echo have clearly watered down the charges you can see the sort of people that you are dealing with, as well as a couple which obviously got carried away and drawn into it (see above). Add to this the fact that they caused 30k of damage to the car dealership.

 

I really can't see how anyone can defend these thugs.

[Smirking_Saint]

That is sickening that someone can be jailed for shaking a fence, costing them their business, not just that but the knock on effect of putting 14 people out of work.

 

Seriously sickening and yes they all deserved to be punished, but to lose your business and livelyhood over shaking a fence? Really?

 

The man in questioned said he looked forward to going toe to toe with the rival fans !!

 

As much as i feel sorry for the 14 that may lose their jobs i don't feel sorry for him, or his son that also went down and has previous.

[View From The Top]

But that problem with this form of 'violent disorder' is that in can also looked at as incitement, the police IMO failed to adequately control it and could have easily avoided it, however they also managed to stop it escalating into something far far more serious. This is what was obviously taken into account when handing out the sentancing and rightly so.

 

A fight in a street between two people for example is just more or less going to be contained.

 

The problem when the same happens between two groups of people that share a common bond (football teams) is that more and more will be dragged into the ensuing violence.

 

As much as the Echo have clearly watered down the charges you can see the sort of people that you are dealing with, as well as a couple which obviously got carried away and drawn into it (see above). Add to this the fact that they caused 30k of damage to the car dealership.

 

I really can't see how anyone can defend these thugs.

 

Fair enough and I can see where you're coming from but for some, and definitely not all, the time certainly, IMHO, doesn't fit the crime.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

But that problem with this form of 'violent disorder' is that in can also looked at as incitement, the police IMO failed to adequately control it and could have easily avoided it, however they also managed to stop it escalating into something far far more serious. This is what was obviously taken into account when handing out the sentancing and rightly so.

 

A fight in a street between two people for example is just more or less going to be contained.

 

The problem when the same happens between two groups of people that share a common bond (football teams) is that more and more will be dragged into the ensuing violence.

 

As much as the Echo have clearly watered down the charges you can see the sort of people that you are dealing with, as well as a couple which obviously got carried away and drawn into it (see above). Add to this the fact that they caused 30k of damage to the car dealership.

 

I really can't see how anyone can defend these thugs.

 

Why on earth would a newspaper water down the charges? Papers make money on sensationalist stories. Both the Echo and News reported it exactly the same way.

 

And as for the 30k of damage, if any of them were involved in any criminal damage then they would have been charged with that too, or it would at the very least have been in the evidence and documented by the the Echo and News.

 

Nobody is defending them, but to put them in prison for a year is completely wrong, 14 people will lose their jobs, someone has lost their whole livelyhood, a mother has lost her son and husband for at least 4 months, what for? Shaking a fence.

 

Community Service, house arrest, massive fine, banned from St Marys for life - any of these sentences would have been acceptable punishment.

 

Just because people don't agree with the sentences, doesn't mean they don't agree that they don't think the offenders should have been punished.

[Turkish]

But that problem with this form of 'violent disorder' is that in can also looked at as incitement, the police IMO failed to adequately control it and could have easily avoided it, however they also managed to stop it escalating into something far far more serious. This is what was obviously taken into account when handing out the sentancing and rightly so.

 

A fight in a street between two people for example is just more or less going to be contained.

 

The problem when the same happens between two groups of people that share a common bond (football teams) is that more and more will be dragged into the ensuing violence.

As much as the Echo have clearly watered down the charges you can see the sort of people that you are dealing with, as well as a couple which obviously got carried away and drawn into it (see above). Add to this the fact that they caused 30k of damage to the car dealership.

 

I really can't see how anyone can defend these thugs.

 

God i nearly fell off my chair when i read that comment. This is the same echo that printed thier faces on the front page, that descirbed it as a 'war zone' and massivly exagerated what happened in the weeks after, that carried the incident as their lead story SEVEN times, that brag that some of them handed themselves in after seeing themselves in the echo and that were salivating at story from the moment it happened right through to the convictions and sentance and that basically lapped it up from day one and couldn't print enough words about it are now watering down the story!!! Not that legally that cant lie anymore and say people did things they didn't then?