Player Power

[SaintRichmond]

IMHO, come Wednesday, England may very well lose, and exit the World Cup

 

When that happens, IMHO, the "finger" can be exclusively pointed at Mr John Terry

 

A nasty piece of work, who holds a vendetta against Capello for removing him from the Captaincy because of his "private" life of Shafting any skirt that moved (apart from his own wife)

 

Capello's body language on the touchline in the Algeria match told it all. He has "lost" the dressing room to Terry and his cronies

 

What a sad sorry state Football has become

[bridge too far]

I was just thinking EXACTLY the same!

[Gingeletiss]

IMHO, come Wednesday, England may very well lose, and exit the World Cup

 

When that happens, IMHO, the "finger" can be exclusively pointed at Mr John Terry

 

A nasty piece of work, who holds a vendetta against Capello for removing him from the Captaincy because of his "private" life of Shafting any skirt that moved (apart from his own wife)

 

Capello's body language on the touchline in the Algeria match told it all. He has "lost" the dressing room to Terry and his cronies

 

What a sad sorry state Football has become

 

I disagree, I don't think he has lost the dressing room, I do agree about that aseh0le Terry, but by all accounts, he has been told to shut up by the rest of the team. As to the state of football, it is indeed in a sorry state, this is due to players being paid far more than their managers, thus thinking they are in control. If what happend to the French team, happened to us, I'd say, bring the lot home in disgrace, and foreit the next match.

[alpine_saint]

Time to send to Terry home, like Anelka.

 

I would rather lose to Slovenia than see Terry come out with the team on Wednesday. Time to bring down the curtain on Terry's England career..

[Puddings and Monkeys]

Time to send to Terry home, like Anelka.

 

I would rather lose to Slovenia than see Terry come out with the team on Wednesday. Time to bring down the curtain on Terry's England career..

 

Totally agree; he can clear off and take Lampard and Gerrard with him too - it's not like we'll miss them is it as they contribute sweet fa to the team. The manager runs the team, not the players and Capello is more important to us than these 3 wasters and thei egos.

[John B]

If England do not qualify for the next round I expect that Cappello will be sacked but the players who performed badly will probably play again.

 

Which seems hardly fair Cappello Erickson and now to some extent Maclaren have proved to be successful managers perhaps this lot are unmanageable because of their attitudes and egos.

 

Cappello has been criticised for team selection and not announcing team until just before the game

 

Well he has been naming teams in a similar manner ever since he became England Manager so why all the fuss now.

 

The team that performed badly against Algeria was very similar to the one which comprehensively beat Croatia.

 

I would have thougt that any team within reason put out against Algeria should have won

 

But now Joe Cole is the Answer to problems despite not be wanted at Chelsea and not to have played much this season

[Frank's cousin]

I think its also about how the players REALLY see playing for England - As we know it SHOULD be the pinnacle of their careers - something which is aspirational and although some will disagree take priority of everything else including their club. MOst no longer see it that way and its not helped by the way players and clubs treat 'friendlies'.

 

FFS these are not exhibition games, but valuable prepartion games, yet we constantly have:

 

Club managers influencing selection decisions

Players told they cant play, and mysterious injuries

the media saying these games are meaningless... yawn....

 

All contributes to undemining the national side. They meet up, cant handle the dicipline (whether right or wrong) and the top players seem to feel they have a god given right to make the starting eleven - because they know that if they are dropped because of off the field antics or attitude, the media backlash is against the manager and not the players.

 

They just take it all for granted - cant handle being in 'normal' hotels for 5 weeks, without the lavish lifestyle etc.... Sorry, but if theyu dont like the set up, tehy should **** off home and give their place to someone who WANTS to be their and is willing to make the sacrifices needed to acheive tournament success.

 

Sure squads need to relax, see families and etc, but for me the most telling aspect is that none of them seem to be enjoying the experience - Why the feck is that? and anothering, its not just about enjoying it, but about working their backsides off to be fit, committed and mentally up for the challenge... what we have is a bunch for which since getting a riduiculous £25,000 a week contract at 21/22 have had things come way too easy.

 

I just hope that this mess will lead to a bit of a siege mentality, and they ae shamed into going for it to prove us and teh media all wrong... afterall one good win on Wednesday and it we are through... and as is typiocal, all this stuff will be forgotten if we progress to the Quarters and semis - and thats teh problem, we and the media have short memories as well and a heroic defeat in semis and they will again be treated like feckin heroes again .. cementing the attitude.

[dubai_phil]

Disagree.

 

Terry was SELECTED to do the interview by Baldini. Nobody in any walk of life puts an "employee" forward for an interview unless they know what they are about to say.

 

I think we could still get knocked out but what I see coming out of this is a sudden building of an "Team Spirit"

 

re-reading that interview, the players themselves asked if they could sit down and have a beer, they sat and discussed themselves what they had been doing wrong and they came up with some ideas.

 

The proof of the pudding now will be whether Cappello LISTENS.

 

the World Cup is a weird time for players, teams that eventually do well have either a relaxed disregard because of their skill and confidence OR they have developed a string team dynamic and a "Siege Mentality" mindset.

 

IF that interview was deliberate and IF the players themselves are finally taking some responsibility for their performances THEN I think the World Cup may just about be ready to become interesting.

 

Whatever else, is there ANYONE in England who did NOT think

1) Cappello had got his team selections/tactics wrong in the first two matches?

2) The players had let themselves down?

 

Anything that sorts that mess out should actually be welcomed, not criticised. Let's see what happens on Wednesday, I think it was all stage managed

[John B]

Disagree.

 

Terry was SELECTED to do the interview by Baldini. Nobody in any walk of life puts an "employee" forward for an interview unless they know what they are about to say.

 

I think we could still get knocked out but what I see coming out of this is a sudden building of an "Team Spirit"

 

re-reading that interview, the players themselves asked if they could sit down and have a beer, they sat and discussed themselves what they had been doing wrong and they came up with some ideas.

 

The proof of the pudding now will be whether Cappello LISTENS.

 

the World Cup is a weird time for players, teams that eventually do well have either a relaxed disregard because of their skill and confidence OR they have developed a string team dynamic and a "Siege Mentality" mindset.

 

IF that interview was deliberate and IF the players themselves are finally taking some responsibility for their performances THEN I think the World Cup may just about be ready to become interesting.

 

Whatever else, is there ANYONE in England who did NOT think

1) Cappello had got his team selections/tactics wrong in the first two matches?

2) The players had let themselves down?

 

Anything that sorts that mess out should actually be welcomed, not criticised. Let's see what happens on Wednesday, I think it was all stage managed

 

It is easy to say that Cappello got his team selections wrong after the event but a similar team beat Croatia 4 1 perhaps the players did not perform as they were coached

 

Lets face any team should picked should have beaten the USA and without Green's **** up we probably would

[alpine_saint]

Totally agree; he can clear off and take Lampard and Gerrard with him too - it's not like we'll miss them is it as they contribute sweet fa to the team. The manager runs the team, not the players and Capello is more important to us than these 3 wasters and thei egos.

 

Totally agree about Lampard - at least Terry performed OK in the first 2 matches, Lampard was pure sh*te. Must play Barry and Gerrard in the middle on Weds.

 

Cannot agree about Gerrard, he was just about our best player against the US and I reckon he was one of the few trying against Algeria.

[alpine_saint]

We are hoping for a "Dentists Chair" mentality for Weds, are we ?

[alpine_saint]

Time to go back to Ramsey-ish phillosophy; the team is more than the sum of its parts and is far, far, far more important than the individual.

[skintsaint]

Capello doesnt want the meeting apparently.

[Saint_Jim]

From the bbc live feed on tonight game:

 

 

19:05 Commentary

 

Blimey. I've just heard Fabio Capellpo say on ITV that John Terry made "a big mistake" with some of what he said at yesterday's press conference.

[Ponty]

Hang on a sec. We WERE sh*t on Friday and 99% of fans would've been screaming for Joe Cole to come on but Terry says he would recommend it too and suddenly he has to go home?

[alpine_saint]

Hang on a sec. We WERE sh*t on Friday and 99% of fans would've been screaming for Joe Cole to come on but Terry says he would recommend it too and suddenly he has to go home?

 

If you cannot see the difference between being an armchair pundit and being a sh*t-stirring influence within the squad at its HQ, then nothing anyone on here would say to you is going to make the slightest difference............

[Ponty]

He only said, "I'm sure if Joe Cole came on he would do a job." or words to that effect. Hardly histrionics, is it? And I'm no Terry fan, by any stretch.

 

I agree that discretion would have been the better part of valour, in his positiion, but to call for his head is ridiculous.

[GenevaSaint]

He only said, "I'm sure if Joe Cole came on he would do a job." or words to that effect. Hardly histrionics, is it? And I'm no Terry fan, by any stretch.

I agree that discretion would have been the better part of valour, in his positiion, but to call for his head is ridiculous.

 

If there was anything to be said, it should've been behind closed doors, and to be honest it should be coming from the current captain. I'm sure Gerrard is no shrinking violet. Plus there are other options, a quiet word through Beckham could have done the business.

[buctootim]

If you cannot see the difference between being an armchair pundit and being a sh*t-stirring influence within the squad at its HQ, then nothing anyone on here would say to you is going to make the slightest difference............

 

Agree with this. Unless Terry was explicitly authorised by Capello to speak out, then he should go home imo.

[Ponty]

This was no "French Revolution", ffs. He answered questions posed by journalists at, what I imagine was, a sanctioned press conference.

[buctootim]

This was no "French Revolution", ffs. He answered questions posed by journalists at, what I imagine was, a sanctioned press conference.

 

I dont think there is a French Revolution, but I do suspect Terry is stirring something. Lampard puts a very different spin on the so called crisis meeting compared to Terry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8751070.stm

[Ponty]

TBF, Lamps had the benefit of the meeting having happened before he was asked about it.

[Thedelldays]

been listening to the radio and "apparently" Terry was re-briefed by one or two players after his press conference.....

[buctootim]

been listening to the radio and "apparently" Terry was re-briefed by one or two players after his press conference.....

 

This in the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/21/john-terry-england-squad

[Thedelldays]

This in the Guardian

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/jun/21/john-terry-england-squad

 

 

if terry really thought joe cole is one of the best players in the country...why was he not publically speaking out against ancelotti most of the season..?

[Ponty]

Wasn't Cole injured for most of the season?

[Thedelldays]

Wasn't Cole injured for most of the season?

 

he came back and was sat on the bench for a large chunck of the 2nd half of the season....

 

kalou of all people was keeping him out of the team

[buctootim]

if terry really thought joe cole is one of the best players in the country...why was he not publically speaking out against ancelotti most of the season..?

 

Quite. Ancelloti pays his wages. Capello embarrassed him by stripping him of captaincy. Animosity I reckon.

[hutch]

I dont think there is a French Revolution, but I do suspect Terry is stirring something. Lampard puts a very different spin on the so called crisis meeting compared to Terry.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8751070.stm

I think the most important thing Lampard said in the follow up interview was that they hadn't read the reports in the press "back home". Thank **** for that.

 

Lampard does do a good interview. Pity he can't play football as well as he can talk.

[scotty]

I think the most important thing Lampard said in the follow up interview was that they hadn't read the reports in the press "back home". Thank **** for that.

 

Lampard does do a good interview. Pity he can't play football as well as he can talk.

 

I'm getting sick of lampards dewy-eyed signal to the heavens any time he scores. Im sorry his mum died but ffs let it lie, (not that hes likely to be bothering the hereafter in this particular tournament)

[alpine_saint]

I'm getting sick of lampards dewy-eyed signal to the heavens any time he scores. Im sorry his mum died but ffs let it lie, (not that hes likely to be bothering the hereafter in this particular tournament)

 

I hate the exhausted cover/wipe of his face he does with both hands everytime he's skied the ball to Row ZZ.

[scotty]

I hate the exhausted cover/wipe of his face he does with both hands everytime he's skied the ball to Row ZZ.

 

now you mention it, youre right. In fact he always looks like the soft kid whos about to get the crap beaten out of him by the school bully, its something about his expression

[GenevaSaint]

So JT has apologised for speaking out of turn..... It does sound like he was stirring it a little then......

[Crab Lungs]

Hang on a sec. We WERE sh*t on Friday and 99% of fans would've been screaming for Joe Cole to come on but Terry says he would recommend it too and suddenly he has to go home?

 

Lol, it's quality, isn't it? People on here have said (suggested, agreed... whatever) what Terry has been saying and all of a sudden he's a disgrace. LMFAO.

 

****ing hell... the bloke cannot win. Fair play JT for being honest (I know, I know...."honest")

Edited 22 June, 2010 by Crab Lungs

[Ponty]

So JT has apologised for speaking out of turn..... It does sound like he was stirring it a little then......

 

No it doesn't. It sounds like he was told to apologise before SWF melted down out of disgust.

[Gingeletiss]

Did you miss the underlying point of his comments. He was having a dig at his manager, yes, the one that took away his captaincy, and as a result, was underminning his authority in front of the world press. For that alone, as far as I'm concerned, he should have been sent home. It matters not that he was saying what we have all said, he was bang out of order. I suspect this 'we're bored' statement, was a pop at Capello for banning the WAGs.