Cameron on the Unions - "What planet are they on?"

[dune]

The Guardian are against the Budget?

 

I'm sure they were prepared Weds moring to look at a Tory budget objectively and from a neutral point of view. Shall we post The Telegraph's praise, or is it only The Guardians opinion that counts?

 

No wonder their circulation figures are so poor.

 

You only have to look at the basket cases that buy the Guardian to know what a pathetic paper it is. I will be sticking with the Express because they say it how it is.

[Lord Duckhunter]

But not falling as fast as the Telegraph's

 

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When was the last time The Guardian outsold the Telegraph?

 

Their revenues will go down further, now there's no Public "non jobs" to advertise.

[dune]

When was the last time The Guardian outsold the Telegraph?

 

Their revenues will go down further, now there's no Public "non jobs" to advertise.

 

lol.

[bridge too far]

When was the last time The Guardian outsold the Telegraph?

 

Their revenues will go down further, now there's no Public "non jobs" to advertise.

 

I bet you're alarmed then that the Mirror easily outstrips your beloved Torygraph.

 

Even the 'mid-market' Express is running it close and the Mail leaves it standing ! (I love that description 'mid-market'.)

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=45575&c=1

[bridge too far]

You only have to look at the basket cases that buy the Guardian to know what a pathetic paper it is. I will be sticking with the Express because they say it how it is.

 

Do let the Express know. I'm sure they'll be delighted to know that the rabid right continue to read their rag.

 

Your comments about the Guardian have reinforced the opinion of you that I was forming but couldn't quite believe. You really are a bit short in the brain-cell department, aren't you.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I bet you're alarmed then that the Mirror easily outstrips your beloved Torygraph.

 

Even the 'mid-market' Express is running it close and the Mail leaves it standing ! (I love that description 'mid-market'.)

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=45575&c=1

 

If you're comparing like for like, then you should compare The Mirror with The Sun.

[St_Tel49]

You only have to look at the basket cases that buy the Guardian to know what a pathetic paper it is. I will be sticking with the Express because they say it how it is.

I didn't realise that they wrote about anything other than Diana. You live and learn!

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

Do let the Express know. I'm sure they'll be delighted to know that the rabid right continue to read their rag.

 

Your comments about the Guardian have reinforced the opinion of you that I was forming but couldn't quite believe. You really are a bit short in the brain-cell department, aren't you.

 

Starved of oxygen at birth for a short while maybe?

 

I can't believe this thread has decended into an almost playground style debate: "My paper sells more than your paper"...come now TSW, we can do better than this!

[badgerx16]

Starved of oxygen at birth for a short while maybe?

 

I can't believe this thread has decended into an almost playground style debate: "My paper sells more than your paper"...come now TSW, we can do better than this!

Well, to answer the OP - Earth ( obviously ).

[Thorpe-le-Saint]

What's the old saying, if you can't beat them join them?

 

The following letter I quote word for word from the Daily Heil (I only know about it because Jason Manford tweeted it earlier on:

 

"Wouldn't it be nice if TV coverage of the World Cup was limited to England's games, those of the hosts South Africa and the tournaments other 'big guns'. That way, we would be spared footage of Bongobongo land vs The former Soviet Republic of Bullemia and non-events." Mike in Somerset

 

Do you need anymore proof as to what sort of person reads that 'paper'?

[Wes Tender]

I bet you're alarmed then that the Mirror easily outstrips your beloved Torygraph.

 

Even the 'mid-market' Express is running it close and the Mail leaves it standing ! (I love that description 'mid-market'.)

 

http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=45575&c=1

 

I'm surprised that the reasons why the Red Tops outstrip the sales of the more serious newspapers doesn't seem to have occurred to you. It is because the Red Tops are comics and therefore populist and because they feature bare boobs and are full of sex scandals to titillate the masses.

 

As pointed out, one only has to look at the pages of useless Quango posts advertised in the Guardian to see where their target audience lies; the bleeding heart, sandal wearing, muesli munching liberal lefties and the Islington Champagne Socialists.

 

Yes Minister summed it up beautifully.

 

"The Times is read by the people who run the country. The Daily Mirror is read by people who think they run the country. The Guardian is read by people who think they ought to run the country. The Morning Star is read by the people who think the country ought to be run by another country. The Independent is read by people who don't know who runs the country but are sure they're doing it wrong. The Daily Mail is read by the wives of the people who run the country. The Financial Times is read by the people who own the country. The Daily Express is read by the people who think the country ought to be run as it used to be run. The Daily Telegraph is read by the people who still think it is their country. And the Sun's readers don't care who runs the country providing she has big tits."

[trousers]

What's the old saying, if you can't beat them join them?

 

The following letter I quote word for word from the Daily Heil (I only know about it because Jason Manford tweeted it earlier on:

 

"Wouldn't it be nice if TV coverage of the World Cup was limited to England's games, those of the hosts South Africa and the tournaments other 'big guns'. That way, we would be spared footage of Bongobongo land vs The former Soviet Republic of Bullemia and non-events." Mike in Somerset

 

Do you need anymore proof as to what sort of person reads that 'paper'?

 

One letter from one reader out of 3 million? Yep, conclusive proof if I ever saw it.

[saint1977]

johnny, i have a lot of respect for you and you regularly make comments that make have a good old think about things. top man. my mate found a job and has never been happier, thanks for the advice you gave him.

 

i have a limited knwledge of public sector management hierarchies, but without getting myself into very deep water, i can tell you that i am not alone in knowing where their HAVE TO BE savings.

 

i have personally questioned the (imho) waste in the sheer numbers of management, and had a very stern phone call from the then director of social services. i know that i have been labelled (rightly perhaps) a 'troublemaker', but i have always challenged things that i believe to be unfair.

 

re those managers can i ask a question? do you think that many of them would survive in the 'real world'? i cant possibly comment myself but i promise you that without exception, i would not change one member of staff who i currently work with. they are a great bunch and they do a sterling job. i could get you references from over 125 satisfied service users.

 

i am worried that there are going to be a lot of innocent victims of this recession if they don't get more ruthless in cuts to the 'decision makers' who seem to take forever to give you an answer as to how they are 'developing the service'.

 

Hamster "gets it". I am either a Lib Dem voter or One Nation Conservative (otherwise known as a wet to the Neo-Cons on here. Sorry folks, Cameron is right, there is such a thing as "society") but that is not to say that I do not come across examples from my friends and family of frontline people doing essential jobs that add a lot of value that will be unneccessarily and unfairly culled by senior managers in the public sector on huge wages inflated in the last 13 years simply because their face fits. Their needless bureaucratic systems hinder people that are trying to create a dynamic public sector that all of us would be proud of. I'd like to have seen George say "we are deleting the Chief Executive role in Local Government and instead at that level people will be responsible for 6 authorities and will not be paid any more than 150k" and also I agree with RDAs going - SEEDA have made a right mess with the Vospers site and although there are good staff in RDAs, they would be a better suited to a local economic development set-up. Not sure what value Strategic Health Authorities add either but happy to be enlightened. The top people should bear the bulk of the cuts in the public sector but we do need to educate people folks, where are your future apprentices, nurses, doctors and civil engineers going to come from? If we remove the most reactionary and backward senior managers, it unlocks reform in the public sector which is good for all of us including the staff like my friends that work in it.

 

Remember also that the private sector relies on public sector contracts and spending - so this is something I'm watching closely, hopefully other sector grow and fill the gap with new opportunities.

 

I want to apologise to Trousers, we don't agree politically but I went too far in my comments at the weekend. Fair play to Dune for standing up for disabled people, good on you.