Response from club re: Installment Plans

[dune]

It's all the inflated, and often offensive language and the conspiracy theories that **** me off. Who knows even if it was NC's decision alone.

 

When we played in the JPT final it took an eternity for my tickets to arrive and I telephoned the club to enquire as I considered the selling arrangements to have been poor especially in lieu of the booking tax. The poor girl at Saints ticket office said they'd been inundated with calls asking where the tickets were and when I pressed her as to why things had taken so long she said that Nicola Cortese had taken personal charge of the selling arrangements. She may have been lieing, but I believed her.

[sotonjoe]

It's all the inflated, and often offensive language and the conspiracy theories that **** me off. Who knows even if it was NC's decision alone, given ML's aversion to expensive borrowings? Perhaps the thinking was along these lines:

 

- are there many people who use the installment plans? NO

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO

- are there cheaper ways of getting credit? YES * authorised overdraft, credit card, cheap bank loan, piggy bank, rellies

- given the above will that leave many people exposed? NO

- do we want to sell a product to people who can't really afford it using expensive third party providers NO

 

 

Should they have given people more warning of the withdrawal of the facility so they could organise their own affairs? YES

 

Absolutely SPOT ON.

 

Lock the thread now.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

It's all the inflated, and often offensive language and the conspiracy theories that **** me off. Who knows even if it was NC's decision alone, given ML's aversion to expensive borrowings? Perhaps the thinking was along these lines:

 

- are there many people who use the installment plans? NO

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO

- are there cheaper ways of getting credit? YES * authorised overdraft, credit card, cheap bank loan, piggy bank, rellies

- given the above will that leave many people exposed? NO

- do we want to sell a product to people who can't really afford it using expensive third party providers NO

 

 

Should they have given people more warning of the withdrawal of the facility so they could organise their own affairs? YES

 

Can I ask a question Sue?

 

For someone who according to your location, lives in the Italian Alps, why do you feel so passionately about a withdrawal scheme being removed which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

 

Would it not be better to keep your opinions to yourself rather than trying to act the mother to people you don't know?

 

Just a suggestion, like.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

we will never have a united fan base as fans find it impossibel to agree on most things....at this club, it seems almost tradition to debate everything that goes on behind the scenes...even which tea lady is employed is hottly debated on here..?

 

then again...only a small, minute section of SFC support that get "outraged" on here...

 

Disagree, yourself is another example of someone whom is not affected by the removal of the installment plan as you don't live in the area, just like Sue Whistle, but instead of simply not commenting on a thread that you have no reason to be opening ( it's a bit like me opening a thread on pubs to drink at in Plymouth, I wouldn't bother opening the thread as it doesn't affect me and is of no interest )

 

Looking through your posts over the past few days, it seems all you are capable of is telling people they are wrong, regardless of the subject. There is a name for people like yourself, I can't think of the name right now, but whatever it is, it's you.

 

Why not just leave threads alone that do not concern you or affect you? If people such as yourself, Nick and Matthew Le God for example stayed away from this thread it would have been a reasonable debate.

 

Wait... I thought of the word, it's troll. That's you that is.

[NickG]

It's all the inflated, and often offensive language and the conspiracy theories that **** me off. Who knows even if it was NC's decision alone, given ML's aversion to expensive borrowings? Perhaps the thinking was along these lines:

 

- are there many people who use the installment plans? NO

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO

- are there cheaper ways of getting credit? YES * authorised overdraft, credit card, cheap bank loan, piggy bank, rellies

- given the above will that leave many people exposed? NO

- do we want to sell a product to people who can't really afford it using expensive third party providers NO

 

 

Should they have given people more warning of the withdrawal of the facility so they could organise their own affairs? YES

 

As one who used the scheme last year, and intended to use it this year, I have not yet renewed due to cash flow. I am disappointed about it, and way it was done - but will renew late on a credit card.

 

Think Sue's summary is pretty fair though.

[OldNick]

 

 

 

If people such as yourself, Nick and Matthew Le God

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I think it is time to change my user name. Im never sure if people get confused and mix Mr G and myself up and think it is the same poster.

I will see if it is easy to change my user name, if so it is time for change

[Saint_clark]

When we played in the JPT final it took an eternity for my tickets to arrive and I telephoned the club to enquire as I considered the selling arrangements to have been poor especially in lieu of the booking tax. The poor girl at Saints ticket office said they'd been inundated with calls asking where the tickets were and when I pressed her as to why things had taken so long she said that Nicola Cortese had taken personal charge of the selling arrangements. She may have been lieing, but I believed her.

 

Why did you feel the need to ring up FFS, they weren't posted out until they had all been sold and even then were being posted out in batches.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I think it is time to change my user name. Im never sure if people get confused and mix Mr G and myself up and think it is the same poster.

I will see if it is easy to change my user name, if so it is time for change

 

Excuse me, I thought you were one and the same, I of course meant Nick G.

[NickG]

but we are getting along famously today!

[miserableoldgit]

It's not ethical to introduce a booking fee of £3 in the same way as it's not ethical to charge customers to use the toilet on an aeroplane. When you buy a ticket for a football match that should be it - you buy a ticket. The wthdrawal of the installment plan was unethical because it contravened the fans charter and was done with no notice given. If the club had announced in January that there would be no installment plan available that would have been reasonable, but to show utter contempt for fans by withdrawing the scheme like they did was wrong.

 

Why is a ticket for a football match any different to theatre/concert/cinema tickets. On virtually all of these you have to pay a booking AND sometimes an administration/handling charge as well. Recently I booked two tickets for the local cinema online and had to pay a booking fee. This infuriates me. It is a rip-off but it is the ways thing are across the board. Why should football ticket be any different??

[dune]

Why did you feel the need to ring up FFS, they weren't posted out until they had all been sold and even then were being posted out in batches.

 

Given that i'd payed a booking tax I think it is reasonable to expect that that levy delivers a premium service. I will be forced to pay the booking tax next year and as soon as tickets fail to arrive and i'm forced to pick up duplicates at away grounds I will argue for a refund of the tax. Failing that I will launch a test case at the small claims court.

[dune]

Why is a ticket for a football match any different to theatre/concert/cinema tickets. On virtually all of these you have to pay a booking AND sometimes an administration/handling charge as well. Recently I booked two tickets for the local cinema online and had to pay a booking fee. This infuriates me. It is a rip-off but it is the ways thing are across the board. Why should football ticket be any different??

 

I was under the impression that Mr Liebherr believed in business ethics and the booking tax is not ethical in my opinion. It goes against what is the right and decent way of selling tickets imo. We've never had a booking tax before and when I have had to pay a booking tax it has always infuriated me. I'm not going to change my view on this issue ever out of principle.

[miserableoldgit]

Given that i'd payed a booking tax I think it is reasonable to expect that that levy delivers a premium service. I will be forced to pay the booking tax next year and as soon as tickets fail to arrive and i'm forced to pick up duplicates at away grounds I will argue for a refund of the tax. Failing that I will launch a test case at the small claims court.

What constitutes a "premium service"? As long as I have my tickets before the event, what more do you want. Most agencies don`t send out tickets for concerts until a couple of weeks before the event. I booked ticket for the British Speedway Grand Prix at the Millenium Stadium last year and they arrived couple of weeks ago. As the event is on July 10th, I am happy with the service.

[miserableoldgit]

I was under the impression that Mr Liebherr believed in business ethics and the booking tax is not ethical in my opinion. It goes against what is the right and decent way of selling tickets imo. We've never had a booking tax before and when I have had to pay a booking tax it has always infuriated me. I'm not going to change my view on this issue ever out of principle.

 

Are you going to rant and rave about every ticket that you buy for other events or is it just Saints that will be feeling your wrath??

[dune]

What constitutes a "premium service"? As long as I have my tickets before the event, what more do you want. Most agencies don`t send out tickets for concerts until a couple of weeks before the event. I booked ticket for the British Speedway Grand Prix at the Millenium Stadium last year and they arrived couple of weeks ago. As the event is on July 10th, I am happy with the service.

 

I would expect that tickets will be dispatched by special delivery from now on, but I bet they won't be. Therefore in essence we will be paying a booking tax for a service no better than ever before. If I have to go out of my way and pick up duplicates in future do you think the booking tax should be refunded given that the service I have payed for has not been delivered?

[suewhistle]

For someone who according to your location, lives in the Italian Alps, why do you feel so passionately about a withdrawal scheme being removed which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

 

Nah, not me, I'm really quite relaxed about it, but thought since I was out of the firing line to bring a bit of common sense into the debate. OK son?

 

And since when did you get the right to decide whether it has anything to do with me or on my right to comment?

 

Anyway, back to the Pompey Takeover Thread - far more entertaining conspiracy theories there, and much more believable.

[dune]

Are you going to rant and rave about every ticket that you buy for other events or is it just Saints that will be feeling your wrath??

 

Just Saints, but I hope that my correspondances with Watchdog/my member of parliament will have wider implications. Booking taxes are wrong. I can accept paying for P+P, but £3 is excessive imo for this.

[Big Bad Bob]

I would expect that tickets will be dispatched by special delivery from now on, but I bet they won't be. Therefore in essence we will be paying a booking tax for a service no better than ever before. If I have to go out of my way and pick up duplicates in future do you think the booking tax should be refunded given that the service I have payed for has not been delivered?

 

I've bought tickets for the American football at Wembley (event is in October I purchased the tickets in Jan)

 

I had to pay £4.95 handling fee PER TICKET and then on top of that I had to pay another £7 (I think) if I wanted the tickets posted by special delivery.

 

If it's anything like last year I won't get the tickets until 5 days before the event!

 

I'm always buying cinema tickets online, I pay £1odd booking fee per ticket, they don't get posted to me. I have to pick them up from the Box office or one of those new fangled electronic things (and then I've got to remember to bring the card that I booked the tickets with!!)

 

Do I think the booking fee is wrong and absorbitant, yes.

 

Are Saints doing anything differently from 95% of other online selling agencies, NO

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I've bought tickets for the American football at Wembley (event is in October I purchased the tickets in Jan)

 

I had to pay £4.95 handling fee PER TICKET and then on top of that I had to pay another £7 (I think) if I wanted the tickets posted by special delivery.

 

If it's anything like last year I won't get the tickets until 5 days before the event!

 

I'm always buying cinema tickets online, I pay £1odd booking fee per ticket, they don't get posted to me. I have to pick them up from the Box office or one of those new fangled electronic things (and then I've got to remember to bring the card that I booked the tickets with!!)

 

Do I think the booking fee is wrong and absorbitant, yes.

 

Are Saints doing anything differently from 95% of other online selling agencies, NO

 

With all due respect, allow me to pick you up on that last comment. It is the other way round. 95% of football clubs do not have a booking fee.

 

Comparing Cinema and American football / Gigs etc holds no weight. Hardly any football clubs who deal with their own ticket sales ( don't outsource to Ticketmaster ) have a booking fee.

[View From The Top]

It's all the inflated, and often offensive language and the conspiracy theories that **** me off. Who knows even if it was NC's decision alone, given ML's aversion to expensive borrowings? Perhaps the thinking was along these lines:

 

- are there many people who use the installment plans? NO

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO

- are there cheaper ways of getting credit? YES * authorised overdraft, credit card, cheap bank loan, piggy bank, rellies

- given the above will that leave many people exposed? NO

- do we want to sell a product to people who can't really afford it using expensive third party providers NO

 

 

Should they have given people more warning of the withdrawal of the facility so they could organise their own affairs? YES

 

And there in lies the crux and the reason why some people haven't got the money to hand and therefore can't renew.

 

It was a huge mistake to give no notice of the withdrawal of the facility at the same time as giving only 28 days to renew at the discounted price.

[Big Bad Bob]

With all due respect, allow me to pick you up on that last comment. It is the other way round. 95% of football clubs do not have a booking fee.

 

Comparing Cinema and American football / Gigs etc holds no weight. Hardly any football clubs who deal with their own ticket sales ( don't outsource to Ticketmaster ) have a booking fee.

 

I didn't say Football Clubs, I said online selling agencies!!

 

But that's the point Saints DO NOT deal with their own online/tele ticket sales anymore.

 

It's now handled by a call centre in the West Country somewhere!

[trousers]

Can I ask a question Sue?

 

For someone who according to your location, lives in the Italian Alps, why do you feel so passionately about a withdrawal scheme being removed which has absolutely nothing to do with you?

 

Would it not be better to keep your opinions to yourself rather than trying to act the mother to people you don't know?

 

Just a suggestion, like.

 

I'd rather read Sue's balanced 'impartial observer' view of the situation rather than the polarised views of most others.

 

Not sure if that's 'allowed' though.....perhaps you could adjudicate on my view of Sue's view? Thanks. ;-)

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I didn't say Football Clubs, I said online selling agencies!!

 

But that's the point Saints DO NOT deal with their own online/tele ticket sales anymore.

 

It's now handled by a call centre in the West Country somewhere!

 

Incorrect.

 

During periods of high volume, calls are diverted to Barnstaple. During normal working conditions the club deal with the calls.

 

With regards to online ticket sales, they are dealt with internally. Take a look at the postmark on your ticket when you next recieve the ticket. I am sure it will say Southampton as opposed to Barnstaple.

 

This still doesn't get away from the fact that 95% of football clubs do not have booking fees, not that it bothers me, as it doesn't affect me, so I will shut up. Just thought I would point this out.

[trousers]

This still doesn't get away from the fact that 95% of football clubs do not have booking fees

 

Neither direct or indirect 'fees'?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I'd rather read Sue's balanced 'impartial observer' view of the situation rather than the polarised views of most others.

 

Not sure if that's 'allowed' though.....perhaps you could adjudicate on my view of Sue's view? Thanks. ;-)

 

I think Sue's views are anything but balanced and completely unrealistic.

 

- are there many people who use the installment plans? NO - Yes, there are, at least 1300, this is a significant number, certainly would't class it as a small number

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club The costs as the posts on here and other threads show, are minimal, looking at around £25 service charge

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO £25 interest/service charge for borrowing £400 over 6 months is certainly not mind blowingly expensive

- are there cheaper ways of getting credit? YES * authorised overdraft, credit card, cheap bank loan, piggy bank, rellies Living in the Italian Alps, i can only assume that credit is more readily available in Italy. I also assume she is older, and owns a home, so her credit worthyness is more. I would like to know from her where people with an average/below average credit rating can obtain a cheaper loan than Paying £425 on a loan of £400 over 6 months

- given the above will that leave many people exposed? NO How do you know this? Have you conducted a survey? Flown into Southampton from Italy to speak to the people affects?

- do we want to sell a product to people who can't really afford it using expensive third party providers NO Is paying £425 on a £400 6 month loan expensive?

 

So Trousers, it is not a balanced view at all, it is mostly fiction and a very arrogant and snotty-nosed attitude to have an opinion on whether people should be obtaining credit for a season ticket, surely it is up to the individual person to decide if they think it is worth the interest/service charge when they buy the product, not some snotty-nosed, jumped up Mountain Snob?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Neither direct or indirect 'fees'?

 

We have the most expensive matchday tickets in the league, so they may have, but evidently not as much as our tickets when you take the booking fee into account.

[trousers]

I think Sue's views are anything but balanced and completely unrealistic.

 

- are there many people who use the installment plans? NO - Yes, there are, at least 1300, this is a significant number, certainly would't class it as a small number

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club The costs as the posts on here and other threads show, are minimal, looking at around £25 service charge

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO £25 interest/service charge for borrowing £400 over 6 months is certainly not mind blowingly expensive

- are there cheaper ways of getting credit? YES * authorised overdraft, credit card, cheap bank loan, piggy bank, rellies Living in the Italian Alps, i can only assume that credit is more readily available in Italy. I also assume she is older, and owns a home, so her credit worthyness is more. I would like to know from her where people with an average/below average credit rating can obtain a cheaper loan than Paying £425 on a loan of £400 over 6 months

- given the above will that leave many people exposed? NO How do you know this? Have you conducted a survey? Flown into Southampton from Italy to speak to the people affects?

- do we want to sell a product to people who can't really afford it using expensive third party providers NO Is paying £425 on a £400 6 month loan expensive?

 

So Trousers, it is not a balanced view at all, it is mostly fiction and a very arrogant and snotty-nosed attitude to have an opinion on whether people should be obtaining credit for a season ticket, surely it is up to the individual person to decide if they think it is worth the interest/service charge when they buy the product, not some snotty-nosed, jumped up Mountain Snob?

 

I respectfully disagree with your analysis.

[Big Bad Bob]

- are there costs involved? YES *Note: whether to the purchaser and/or the club The costs as the posts on here and other threads show, are minimal, looking at around £25 service charge

- are these specialist schemes cheap? NO £25 interest/service charge for borrowing £400 over 6 months is certainly not mind blowingly expensive

 

I would really, really like to know where this £25 comes from. When I used the clubs installment plan years ago I'm pretty sure they charged me more than that!

 

Are you seriously telling me that an external loan shark will only charge an equivalent 12% AER for a loan, £25 wouldn't even start to cover their admin fees!!

 

And, as I have pointed out elsewhere, Zebra are a loan shark and they WILL credit check you. If you can't get a credit card you sure as hell won't get a Zebra loan, or if you do they will charge you more in 'admin fees'

 

So Trousers, it is not a balanced view at all, it is mostly fiction and a very arrogant and snotty-nosed attitude to have an opinion on whether people should be obtaining credit for a season ticket, surely it is up to the individual person to decide if they think it is worth the interest/service charge when they buy the product, not some snotty-nosed, jumped up Mountain Snob?

 

It's an opinion, just like yours.

 

I consider yours flawed but I don't resort to stupid, playground insults.

Edited 23 June, 2010 by Big Bad Bob
Minor typos

[trousers]

We have the most expensive matchday tickets in the league, so they may have, but evidently not as much as our tickets when you take the booking fee into account.

 

Which is a neat way of avoiding the question: "Do clubs with no direct admin/booking fee include an indrect (aka less transparent) admin/booking fee in their ticket prices?". Just because 'club A' has cheaper face value ticket prices than 'club B' doesn't doesn't mean that 'club A' hasn't included a fee to cover their costs. Their running costs may well be cheaper than 'club B'.

 

IMHO of course....

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Which is a neat way of avoiding the question: "Do clubs with no direct admin/booking fee include an indrect (aka less transparent) admin/booking fee in their ticket prices?". Just because 'club A' has cheaper face value ticket prices than 'club B' doesn't doesn't mean that 'club A' hasn't included a fee to cover their costs. Their running costs may well be cheaper than 'club B'.

 

IMHO of course....

 

To be honest, the subject is boring and of no interest to me as I have a season ticket.

[trousers]

To be honest, the subject is boring and of no interest to me as I have a season ticket.

 

Indeed. And it was a rhetorical question afterall.... ;-)

 

Pub beckons.....COME ON ENGLAND!!

[miserableoldgit]

Isn`t the £3 fee per transaction, not per ticket?? Buy tickets for 3 games - £1 per ticket.

[NickG]

Cortesse believes that having a booking charge is more open than including it, hidden, within prices - Radio Solent intervew which was a few months ago to stop any confusion or posters finding something else to argue about!!!

Edited 23 June, 2010 by NickG

[Alain Perrin]

It is mostly fiction and a very arrogant and snotty-nosed attitude to have an opinion on whether people should be obtaining credit for a season ticket, surely it is up to the individual person to decide if they think it is worth the interest/service charge when they buy the product, not some snotty-nosed, jumped up Mountain Snob?

 

Any sympathy for your argument is lost in that paragraph. Perhaps you should look in the mirror?

 

To follow your argument, Saints have provided the ultimate opportunity for an individual to "to decide if they think it is worth the interest/service charge" by forcing people to go into the wider market.

 

The failure isn't of Saints not providing an installement plan, it's of Saints not providing sufficient communication of their intent.

 

Anyway carry on with your circular arguments. SFC isn't going to change its mind now, regardless of how many diatribes you write.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I would really, really like to know where this £25 comes from. When I used the clubs installment plan years ago I'm pretty sure they charged me more than that!

 

Are you seriously telling me that an external loan shark will only charge an equivalent 12% AER for a loan, £25 wouldn't even start to cover their admin fees!!

 

And, as I have pointed out elsewhere, Zebra are a loan shark and they WILL credit check you. If you can't get a credit card you sure as hell won't get a Zebra loan, or if you do they will charge you more in 'admin fees'

 

 

 

It's an opinion, just like yours.

 

I consider yours flawed but I don't resort to stupid, playground insults.

 

Someone has already posted up a list of Championship fees, and it tends to cost either £25 in interest of £25 in service charge.

 

And also, these Zebra Chaps deal with the installment plans on behalf of a number of very respected clubs, including Manchester United, so I think calling them loan sharks is a bit harsh.

 

Anyway, another boring subject and another boring post from someone who thinks it is their right to decide what charges are acceptable to a Saints fan on behalf of them.

 

There is no doubt there should have been an option for an installment plan, regardless of what the charges are, people are all adults and they can make their decision without any advice from a nobody on an internet fans forum like yourself. I am not sure why people like yourself feel the need to decide on behalf of other people whether the charges are acceptable. Seriously, who do you think you are? And what gives YOU the right to decide what is acceptable for others? Are you Mr Perfect? The model citizen?

 

On that note, I am off for the afternoon, enjoy the game.

[Alain Perrin]

Cortesse believes that having a booking charge is more open than including it, hidden, within prices - Radio Solent intervew

 

Absolutely. I can't understand the fuss over this.

 

On the assumption that SFC have to (at a mimimum) cover their costs, effectively SFC have two options:

 

1) Take the cost of providing the ticket office services per year and divide it by the number of tickets sold. Then put up ticket prices accordingly.

 

2) Take the cost of providing the ticket office services per year and divide it by the number of transactions actioned by the ticket office. Charge a booking fee accordingly.

 

Having a transaction charge makes everything transparent, it's not stealth, it's not immoral, it's not unethical. It's clear, honest and good business.

 

It also means (which I suspect is why Saints prefer it) that the cost of staffing/printing/selling/dispatching a ticket is predicatable and consistent whether they're selling normal games or special games (eg. JPT final).

 

Probably Saints are making a turn on the transaction fee (for their benefit and convenience / rounding purposes). Not surprising and equally I'd expect them to make a similar percentage as if the cost was hidden in the ticket.

[RonManager]

Cortesse believes that having a booking charge is more open than including it, hidden, within prices - Radio Solent intervew

 

When was that broadcast - today?

[trousers]

Just seen Alan Pardew suited and booted having a mooch around Borough Market in London.

 

That is all.

 

Oh, and that Greg Wallace masterchef bloke just walked by too

[Big Bad Bob]

There is no doubt there should have been an option for an installment plan, regardless of what the charges are, people are all adults and they can make their decision without any advice from a nobody on an internet fans forum like yourself. I am not sure why people like yourself feel the need to decide on behalf of other people whether the charges are acceptable. Seriously, who do you think you are? And what gives YOU the right to decide what is acceptable for others? Are you Mr Perfect? The model citizen?

 

Anyway, another boring post from someone who thinks it is their right to decide what charges are unacceptable to a Saints fan on behalf of them.

 

I am not sure why people like yourself feel the need to decide on behlaf of other people whether the charges are unacceptable (or not).

 

And what give YOU the right to decide what is unacceptable for others? Are you Mr Perfect? The model citizen?

[dune]

When was that broadcast - today?

 

I was going to ask the same question.

[saint_mears]

Many would have already assumed that was catered for within the ticket price. This now looks like an extra charge on top and doesnt make sense for charging £2 for matchday purchase and £3 on the OS !

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I was going to ask the same question.

 

I can only assume it was a lie.

 

I will put Radio Solent on and listen in for news bulletins, as if it is not a lie, then it would have to be on today, as I certainly have hear nothing of the sort ( or anything ) from Mr Cortese on the radio for a long, long time.

[RonManager]

I can only assume it was a lie.

 

I will put Radio Solent on and listen in for news bulletins, as if it is not a lie, then it would have to be on today, as I certainly have hear nothing of the sort ( or anything ) from Mr Cortese on the radio for a long, long time.

 

Yes, strange that the one thing we all want to hear, ie a statement from the club to help clear the air, gets quietly slipped into a thread on a web forum. Surely the Echo would be on it in a flash.

[Lord Duckhunter]

I can only assume it was a lie.

 

I will put Radio Solent on and listen in for news bulletins, as if it is not a lie, then it would have to be on today, as I certainly have hear nothing of the sort ( or anything ) from Mr Cortese on the radio for a long, long time.

 

He said it about the JPT tickets (or may have been Pompey game, I cant remember) and I think the poster is quoting from then.

[NickG]

When was that broadcast - today?

 

no, quite awhile ago. - had it on some programme I downloaded for ipod on train.

[NickG]

I can only assume it was a lie.

 

I will put Radio Solent on and listen in for news bulletins, as if it is not a lie, then it would have to be on today, as I certainly have hear nothing of the sort ( or anything ) from Mr Cortese on the radio for a long, long time.

 

Why do you and Stu claim anything that undermines your anti Cortesse campaign is a lie?

 

It was not a lie, nor was it on today - I don't understand your logic that if it wasn't on today it was a lie?

 

Think I still have it as a podcast.

 

Tempted to apologise?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

He said it about the JPT tickets (or may have been Pompey game, I cant remember) and I think the poster is quoting from then.

 

Oh... well they could hardly get away with hiding the booking fee in the Wembley tickets, considering they were sold by Wembley Stadium and prices fixed by the football league.

 

So unless he was talking about next season, I can't see Nick G's point.

 

That really is the most stupid explanation ever though if he did honestly say that. The most transparent thing to do is to have a ticket price and sell the ticket for that ticket price, rather than have add-ons ( which have not been widely publicised ) so when people phone up to buy a ticket all of a sudden the price of the ticket they were just about to buy rises by £3.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Why do you and Stu claim anything that undermines your anti Cortesse campaign is a lie?

 

It was not a lie, nor was it on today - I don't understand your logic that if it wasn't on today it was a lie?

 

Think I still have it as a podcast.

 

Tempted to apologise?

 

What was it regarding Nick? As if it was about JPT Final tickets then it's completely irrelevent. The club couldn't have hidden the charges, even if they wanted to because they were not their tickets! They were selling of behalf of a third party!

 

Can I just say though, that apart from proving you wrong and backing up what I said last night, I am not that interested as I have a season ticket and won't pay the booking fees for away games as my office is in St Marys.

 

I would love to hear that podcast if you have it though.

 

Cheers

[NickG]

Oh... well they could hardly get away with hiding the booking fee in the Wembley tickets, considering they were sold by Wembley Stadium and prices fixed by the football league.

 

So unless he was talking about next season, I can't see Nick G's point.

 

That really is the most stupid explanation ever though if he did honestly say that. The most transparent thing to do is to have a ticket price and sell the ticket for that ticket price, rather than have add-ons ( which have not been widely publicised ) so when people phone up to buy a ticket all of a sudden the price of the ticket they were just about to buy rises by £3.

 

My point is the guy who you say is responsible, publically stated, months before these prices came out, that he believes tickets should have a separate booking fee - as a matter of principal. Whether you or I agree with it is different, but that is what he has said.

[NickG]

What was it regarding Nick? As if it was about JPT Final tickets then it's completely irrelevent. The club couldn't have hidden the charges, even if they wanted to because they were not their tickets! They were selling of behalf of a third party!

 

Can I just say though, that apart from proving you wrong and backing up what I said last night, I am not that interested as I have a season ticket and won't pay the booking fees for away games as my office is in St Marys.

 

I would love to hear that podcast if you have it though.

 

Cheers

 

not sure what you mean.

 

Will check the laptop to see if it is still there. Maybe available from Solent site