hughieslastminutegoal Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Threshers in South Norwood are already arranging for longer opening hours, every cloud and all that. I thought Threshers went bankrupt, though not sure how if GB was a customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 I thought Threshers went bankrupt, though not sure how if GB was a customer. Im expect GB does like a drink, so do most of us. Time and again I heard these stories of him out of his brain etc, but not once did anybody have a mobile with a camera to show it. That was at little SFC, he then became Scotlands manager where the tabloids would be looking to set him up.Can anyone show me articles in the NOTW or any other paper with such an expose. i think people should feel ashamed that they peddle this stuff ,mainly by hearsay, like petulant kids just because they didnt like the way he was managing the football team. If the fans had been behind him and not picking away perhaps we could have done better. The fans singing Burley for Scotland etc could hardly be helping the team. This season i an concerned that due to the fans expectations they will be a negative as if things dont go well early on ,some will get on the backs of the manager/ team/players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 You watch him take them up! Don't you mean **** them up ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Not even when we went to Wolves and scored 6 away from home? We were as good as any team in the top 6. every now and then you get freak results...we even beat man u 6-3 once..did you think we were on to win the league that year..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Im expect GB does like a drink, so do most of us. Time and again I heard these stories of him out of his brain etc, but not once did anybody have a mobile with a camera to show it. That was at little SFC, he then became Scotlands manager where the tabloids would be looking to set him up.Can anyone show me articles in the NOTW or any other paper with such an expose. i think people should feel ashamed that they peddle this stuff ,mainly by hearsay, like petulant kids just because they didnt like the way he was managing the football team. If the fans had been behind him and not picking away perhaps we could have done better. The fans singing Burley for Scotland etc could hardly be helping the team. This season i an concerned that due to the fans expectations they will be a negative as if things dont go well early on ,some will get on the backs of the manager/ team/players I agree with this, there is loads of received wisdom on this forum. GB wasn't the useless drunk people would have us believe, he was a rule change away from a play off final (although it was a rule change he lobbied for). He seemed to have lost his drive the following season, but we don't know what was going on behind closed doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 I agree with this, there is loads of received wisdom on this forum. GB wasn't the useless drunk people would have us believe, he was a rule change away from a play off final (although it was a rule change he lobbied for). He seemed to have lost his drive the following season, but we don't know what was going on behind closed doors. He probably had a look on here and saw all the moaning. In any case,wasn't the plan always to try to get up in the first season and at least make the play offs and then in the second season when Wilde and co had got all this investment they promised add two or three extra players of quality to make sure we went up? Thats how i remember it anyway. I bet he didn't bank on having to sell his three best players and losing Lundekvam who was in decline anyway from that season and replace them with frees and loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan The Flames Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 He probably had a look on here and saw all the moaning. In any case,wasn't the plan always to try to get up in the first season and at least make the play offs and then in the second season when Wilde and co had got all this investment they promised add two or three extra players of quality to make sure we went up? Thats how i remember it anyway. I bet he didn't bank on having to sell his three best players and losing Lundekvam who was in decline anyway from that season and replace them with frees and loans. Yes it was, we were a pseudo-prem club (although we had cut everyone wages) and the gamble was to get straight back up, this failed by a slim margin. You are right the next season the promised investment didn't turn up and GB was left carry the can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 every now and then you get freak results...we even beat man u 6-3 once..did you think we were on to win the league that year..? DD it was an example where we did look a good team. the play off semi final second leg ,we were superb. There were many games where we played good football. There was a problem where he didnt play some fans favourites and so they went off on one. At this moment in time i wish that Wilde and co spalshed out 10's of millions more to get us up and we could now like our neighbours still be enjoying the fruits of the PL riches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 DD it was an example where we did look a good team. the play off semi final second leg ,we were superb. There were many games where we played good football. There was a problem where he didnt play some fans favourites and so they went off on one. At this moment in time i wish that Wilde and co spalshed out 10's of millions more to get us up and we could now like our neighbours still be enjoying the fruits of the PL riches. Well, they are getting away with it, arent they ? It has nothing to do with playing "fans favourites" or not. His team selections had players out position and excluded due to petty personal vendettas, his tactics were crap, and his substitutions were awful. He blew the family silver and condemned this club to an uncertain existence. And the returns where we played really good were few and far between. Then he gave Leon Best the first peno.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Well, they are getting away with it, arent they ? It has nothing to do with playing "fans favourites" or not. His team selections had players out position and excluded due to petty personal vendettas, his tactics were crap, and his substitutions were awful. He blew the family silver and condemned this club to an uncertain existence. And the returns where we played really good were few and far between. Then he gave Leon Best the first peno.... in your opinion he played people in the wrong position/bad tactics/subs etc. The difference between a pro football manger and a fan is that he has to put his head on the chopping block if his decisions go wrong. Fans team selections always play a blinder,never have an off day and aren't sulking because their wag didnt sha# them before the game. There has never been a manager at SFC I didnt agree with all the time. LM played some awful formations/players IMO, WGS likewise. I doubt anybody could run our club with the politics and backbiting going on at that stage, Gb did ok in the circumstances, and still got us the closest to the PL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 This argument makes the assumption that if something is not in the press or on the internet then it does not exist or is not true. Don't you think that is a bit dumb? Mind you - I agree with your last point. People are already thinking we will walk this league. It doesn't work like that. And if we were to lose the first three, for example, (I know, v unlikely) there will be lots calling for Pardew's head. sorry - was replying to Nick F's post: Im expect GB does like a drink, so do most of us. Time and again I heard these stories of him out of his brain etc, but not once did anybody have a mobile with a camera to show it. That was at little SFC, he then became Scotlands manager where the tabloids would be looking to set him up.Can anyone show me articles in the NOTW or any other paper with such an expose. i think people should feel ashamed that they peddle this stuff ,mainly by hearsay, like petulant kids just because they didnt like the way he was managing the football team. If the fans had been behind him and not picking away perhaps we could have done better. The fans singing Burley for Scotland etc could hardly be helping the team. This season i an concerned that due to the fans expectations they will be a negative as if things dont go well early on ,some will get on the backs of the manager/ team/players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mitch01 Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 We were as good as anyone in the playoff season, after that he made some mistakes and wasnt helped by boardroom politics. He was the one who got the best out of Baird and Jones, before that they were widely written off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 how often were we in the playoff position..? how often did we get into the top 2..or even challenge it..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 how often were we in the playoff position..? how often did we get into the top 2..or even challenge it..?it doesnt matter how often you are in a playoff position , it is important when you are Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 it doesnt matter how often you are in a playoff position , it is important when you are well...people are saying we were as good as anyone in the playoffs that year...clearly not true, when we were not in them that much and failed at the first hurdle anyway..i think he was turd, you think he was good...we could go on all day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 This argument makes the assumption that if something is not in the press or on the internet then it does not exist or is not true. Don't you think that is a bit dumb? Mind you - I agree with your last point. People are already thinking we will walk this league. It doesn't work like that. And if we were to lose the first three, for example, (I know, v unlikely) there will be lots calling for Pardew's head.(quote) I understand your reasoning and i do know GB does like a drink, but in the modern world with cameras taking pictures of most events, a high profile Scottish manager is likely to be pictured and then published. i think that is fair. I would think most fair minded people would not agree with the 'drunk' rumours being peddled without fair evidence rather than 'a mate of mine who is a taxi driver' story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 well...people are saying we were as good as anyone in the playoffs that year...clearly not true, when we were not in them that much and failed at the first hurdle anyway..i think he was turd, you think he was good...we could go on all day... I agree but Im right Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Third Division South Days Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 I suspect Coventry fans and Charlton fans had similar threads re GS and AP when they took on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flyer Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Palace fans are trolling the QPR boards saying how much better Burley is than Warnock, little to they know. Still hes a huge improvement over Hart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalek2003 Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 I can't believe the amount of posters who are going on about Burley. Time to move on you lot ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 I can't believe the amount of posters who are going on about Burley. Time to move on you lot ! When did you develop a sense of humour!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 every now and then you get freak results...we even beat man u 6-3 once..did you think we were on to win the league that year..? It may have been a "freak" result but we did make the play offs so I really don't know what your problem is. Oh hang on, yes I do, you think we can buy promotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 it doesnt matter how often you are in a playoff position , it is important when you are Exactly. The most important position of the season is the final one. We were a decent team that year if a little inconsistant. To call a manager "turd" when he makes the play offs in his first full season just shows how little DD knows about football. We were very unfortunate not to make the play off final. If the manager had been "turd" we would not have got anywhere near that postion. "Turd" managers also do not manage to win every other game. Still, if you live in a world where you think you can buy success, you probably aren't going to have a balanced view of what happens in the real world are you? I have been supporting the Saints since 1966. We have one the FA Cup once and have noever finsished the top of any league in all of those years, yet one manager gets called "turd" because, in his one and only full season he took us to the play offs. Hmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiteleySaint30 Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Spare a thought for England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Whilst I wasn't his [burley's} greatest fan, he wasn't anywhere near as bad as he was painted. I wouldn't be surprised if he does reasonably well at Crystal Palace. For his own sake, I hope so. Of course, when we eventually meet them in a couple of seasons, I expect to murder them. But that's as it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Burley did what he set out to do, he made the play offs. His side scored goals and won games at home and away. To suggest that he was some kind of monemental failure is quite ridiculous but some on here who don't seem to understand the nature of football and not being able to buy success They will always see him in a poor light. Until Pardew came along he had the best win ration of any manager at SFC. Play offs in his first full season, 3 best players sold from under him the next season but still nearer the top than the bottom when he left. Best Saints manager ever? No. Worst ever? No. Really, what is the problem? As for being an alchy, how many of those can run the London Marathon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Burley may be good for Palarse. Good luck to him and to them. If Idiakez had scored his penalty at Derby and we'd got into the playoffs I suspect people might have had a different view of Burley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_bert Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Burley did what he set out to do, he made the play offs. His side scored goals and won games at home and away. To suggest that he was some kind of monemental failure is quite ridiculous but some on here who don't seem to understand the nature of football and not being able to buy success They will always see him in a poor light. Until Pardew came along he had the best win ration of any manager at SFC. Play offs in his first full season, 3 best players sold from under him the next season but still nearer the top than the bottom when he left. Best Saints manager ever? No. Worst ever? No. Really, what is the problem? As for being an alchy, how many of those can run the London Marathon? Put a bottle of white lightning on the finishing line and find out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Burley may be good for Palarse. Good luck to him and to them. If Idiakez had scored his penalty at Derby and we'd got into the playoffs I suspect people might have had a different view of Burley. I doubt it Robbie, he was still getting stick when we tonked Wolves away,yet Pearson took us to withing 20 mins of relegation and he is a hero? Some manager's faces fit, Burley's obviously didn't so many. Yes he did play some players out of position, so has every manager at some point, including Strachan. Yes he had a blind spot for some players, like Wright, but Strachan had that with Telfer. He still managed to give us our most competitive season for some time and deserves some credit. He also brought in 2 players of the season (Davis and Davies) but some people only want to dig up negative stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Man Do Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Things CP fans should get used to ... 1) Playing players out of position 2) Continually playing unpopular/underperforming players regardless of what they do in a game 3) Hiding in the dug out when things are going badly 4) Getting rid of good players on the cheap to replace them with "his" players 5) Blaming anything from a divet to the team not gelling yet for defeats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Things CP fans should get used to ... 1) Playing players out of position 2) Continually playing unpopular/underperforming players regardless of what they do in a game 3) Hiding in the dug out when things are going badly 4) Getting rid of good players on the cheap to replace them with "his" players 5) Blaming anything from a divet to the team not gelling yet for defeats They might also get used to:- getting promoted, getting into Europe the next season, scoring lots of goals, winning every other game..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 they might also get used to:- getting promoted, getting into europe the next season, scoring lots of goals, winning every other game..... lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Things CP fans should get used to ... 1) Playing players out of position 2) Continually playing unpopular/underperforming players regardless of what they do in a game 3) Hiding in the dug out when things are going badly 4) Getting rid of good players on the cheap to replace them with "his" players 5) Blaming anything from a divet to the team not gelling yet for defeatswhat players were sold on the cheap and replaced by others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Why do we have to keep on slagging off ex employees? Most of them did the best they could for the club (aprt from Redknapp who I don't believe gave us anything like 100%). Most of the managers we have had have failed to achieve anything of note. Burley did at least put a team together that made the play offs. Pardew won a cup but still we had people speculating about when to get rid of him. We have had very few managers who have acheived anything of note so why pick on Burley? We are never going to get managers of the standard of Ferguson or Wenger so at least give the poor b*ggers who have to please you lot some credit for doing what they can for the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Why do we have to keep on slagging off ex employees? Most of them did the best they could for the club (aprt from Redknapp who I don't believe gave us anything like 100%). Most of the managers we have had have failed to achieve anything of note. Burley did at least put a team together that made the play offs. Pardew won a cup but still we had people speculating about when to get rid of him. We have had very few managers who have acheived anything of note so why pick on Burley? We are never going to get managers of the standard of Ferguson or Wenger so at least give the poor b*ggers who have to please you lot some credit for doing what they can for the club. it is football fan disease, even Capello is now getting flak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 it is football fan disease, even Capello is now getting flak nick..im sure you have never suffered from this "disease" and have never blammed anyone..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 In the last few years only 3 managers have given us anything to get excited about, Strachan, Burley and Pardew. 2 of these get grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 nick..im sure you have never suffered from this "disease" and have never blammed anyone..? DD, I only blame the people I dont rate. 'it's all your fault'.....only kidding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 (edited) Things CP fans should get used to ... 1) Playing players out of position 2) Continually playing unpopular/underperforming players regardless of what they do in a game 3) Hiding in the dug out when things are going badly 4) Getting rid of good players on the cheap to replace them with "his" players 5) Blaming anything from a divet to the team not gelling yet for defeats Really? Burley hardly ever moved from his standing position in the technical area, waving his arms around continually. I always thought he was not sat in the dugout enough where he could actually think some tactics through, rather than continually standing by the sidelines using the same old arm movements which I'm sure the players must have soon learned to just ignore as they offered no new insight apart from "try harder". As for "getting rid of players on the cheap", I'm pretty sure it wasn't Burley who set the price for departing players. And one thing that Lowe certainly can't be criticised for is holding out for top value for players leaving the club. Even the prices we got for players in the Wilde/Crouch madness were very reasonable. Edited 19 June, 2010 by The Kraken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 Pearson and Burley have at least 2 things in common. Both managed Saints. Both failed in the play offs. Is Pearson "turd"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 But the fact is we got rid of all players of PL quality at the time, presumably because we could not afford them (?) .... GB replaced them with new players who cost £7m between the whole lot and got to the playoffs which was a decent achievement in a competitive league. Then when we didn't go up he had to sell players again to keep the club going (including SJ coming in for KJ who got 20+ goals). I still say GB did a reasonable job given what he had to contend with during his tenure. The drivel about Pearson keeping us up is annoying because regardless of Pearson being in charge, GB had us in a better position when he left than where he finished. FWIW I think Pearson is doing OK at Leicester but he only got them to the CCC playoffs so does that make him an underachiever as well (?) But in between NP and GB we had Dudd and Gormless, who left NP with sinking ship to save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Chalet Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 I am prepared to give Burley the benefit of the doubt in respect of his tenure here. To put into context, he had to contend with: Reporting to a Rugby Coach 3 Different Chairman Loss of parachute payment Having to sell on talent (Bale, Walcott, Niemi, Baird, TC Kenwyne Jones) The thing I can never forgive him for is just the way he gave up on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkish Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 In the last few years only 3 managers have given us anything to get excited about, Strachan, Burley and Pardew. 2 of these get grief. People on the old saints forever moaned about Strachan when he was here, not good enough tatically, favourites for players like Telfer and WIlliams, didn't make substiutions early enough, after a couple of goalless home games, 0-0 at home hwen we were 6th people were up in arms about his negative defensive tactics, some people will moan regardless even if Mourinio was manager and we won every game 10-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 lol...soggy still dreams of burley burley is a busted flush and I wll be surprised if he is still the manager in 12 months time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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