Papa Waigo

[hutch]

Fiorentina have confirmed they now own him 100%. They swapped 50% of him for 50% of van den Borre with Genoa, apparently.

 

The way is now clear for whatever it is that's going to happen to happen.

 

I would like to see him back. That degree of unpredictability on the bench is definately an asset.

[moon monkey]

The big stumbling block is whether Waigo wants to be a bench impact player?

[SaintJackoInHurworth]

I notice that both Papa Waigo and Antonio are still listed in the Saints squad on the OS, while all the other players that left are gone. Does this suggest that we are indeed intending to have both players here next season?

 

My guess is that they are just waiting for the end of June when contracts end, etc. After that they will be unveiled as Saints players. I'm only guessing, but it does explain their continued presence in the website squad profiles.

[St.Patrik]

Well according to the Echo he´s not coming back to Saints http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8228454.Saints_have_to_find_replacement_for_Papa_Waigo/?ref=rss

[SaintNeil90]

Well according to the Echo he´s not coming back to Saints http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8228454.Saints_have_to_find_replacement_for_Papa_Waigo/?ref=rss

 

They don't know anymore than we do. They have just looked at the articles we found three days ago.

[View From The Top]

Well according to the Echo he´s not coming back to Saints http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/saints/news/8228454.Saints_have_to_find_replacement_for_Papa_Waigo/?ref=rss

 

They are clearly trawling this site for stories to sensationalise.

 

I'd no longer trust the Echo to tell me the sun is out.

[revolution saint]

They are clearly trawling this site for stories to sensationalise.

 

I'd no longer trust the Echo to tell me the sun is out.

 

To be fair you wouldn't expect the echo to publicise another newspaper...

[Clifford Nelson]

Waigo's goals to game ratio was quite exceptional, but it was also clear to me that he belonged up front, or preferably on the right of a front three in a 4-3-3/4-5-1. Sadly he got most of his chances as wide right or even wide left of a 4-4-2, where he was less convincing as he wasn't a genuine line runner and crosser. Nevertheless it would be interesting to see the stats on his 'assists', because I think there was a load of them.

 

Let's be fair, AP never fancied him, and he seems to have failed to warm the heart of many fans, who seems to prefer Antonio, as clearly did AP. I can't see him come back here, and I think he need to go somewhere where he is more appreciated.

 

I will miss him because I think he is genuinely talented, but we will move on.

[Ketch]

"Prêté depuis deux saisons à Lecce puis à Southampton, le Sénégalais Papa

Waigo n’entre plus vraiment dans les plans de la Fiorentina. Du coup,

l’attaquant international se cherche un point de chute. Et, à croire son

agent, il ne manque pas de propositions. Selon la presse italienne en

effet, trois clubs de Serie A, dont Brescia, les Turcs de Galatasaray

ainsi que des clubs écossais et anglais seraient venus aux nouvelles."

 

Just seen this on a French website...Looks like Papa Waigo's agent is trying to find him a club other than the Saints...Galatasaray?! three Serie A clubs? Saints have got no chance.

[Saint Garrett]

"Prêté depuis deux saisons à Lecce puis à Southampton, le Sénégalais Papa

Waigo n’entre plus vraiment dans les plans de la Fiorentina. Du coup,

l’attaquant international se cherche un point de chute. Et, à croire son

agent, il ne manque pas de propositions. Selon la presse italienne en

effet, trois clubs de Serie A, dont Brescia, les Turcs de Galatasaray

ainsi que des clubs écossais et anglais seraient venus aux nouvelles."

 

Just seen this on a French website...Looks like Papa Waigo's agent is trying to find him a club other than the Saints...Galatasaray?! three Serie A clubs? Saints have got no chance.

 

"On loan for two seasons at Lecce and then to Southampton, Senegal's Papa

Waigo does really in the plans of Fiorentina. Suddenly,

striker is seeking a fall. And to believe his

agent, there is no shortage of proposals. According to Italian press

Indeed, three Serie A clubs, including Brescia, the Turkish Galatasaray

and English and Scottish clubs would have come to news. "

 

Lets hope we can get him back !

[The Kraken]

Waigo's goals to game ratio was quite exceptional, but it was also clear to me that he belonged up front, or preferably on the right of a front three in a 4-3-3/4-5-1. Sadly he got most of his chances as wide right or even wide left of a 4-4-2, where he was less convincing as he wasn't a genuine line runner and crosser. Nevertheless it would be interesting to see the stats on his 'assists', because I think there was a load of them.

 

Let's be fair, AP never fancied him, and he seems to have failed to warm the heart of many fans, who seems to prefer Antonio, as clearly did AP. I can't see him come back here, and I think he need to go somewhere where he is more appreciated.

 

I will miss him because I think he is genuinely talented, but we will move on.

 

35 appearances; 5 goals. OK, I'll fully accept that the majority of his appearances were from the bench, but 1 goal in 7 is far from exceptional for an attacking player.

 

For me Papa was a bit of a let down; his complete inability to comprehend the offside rule was at first humourous but before too long completely frustrating, and for me summed him up as player. I agree with you that he's a striker rather than a winger, and in that respect I'd much rather have either Barnard or Connolly up front than Waigo. Add in that we're supposed to be looking for a Lambert backup and he'd be looking at the role of 5th striker, which is not a sensisble transfer policy, so I'd now be very surprised if he did come, and a little disappointed as it would mean he was earmarked for that RM position.

[SuperMikey]

"Prêté depuis deux saisons à Lecce puis à Southampton, le Sénégalais Papa

Waigo n’entre plus vraiment dans les plans de la Fiorentina. Du coup,

l’attaquant international se cherche un point de chute. Et, à croire son

agent, il ne manque pas de propositions. Selon la presse italienne en

effet, trois clubs de Serie A, dont Brescia, les Turcs de Galatasaray

ainsi que des clubs écossais et anglais seraient venus aux nouvelles."

 

Just seen this on a French website...Looks like Papa Waigo's agent is trying to find him a club other than the Saints...Galatasaray?! three Serie A clubs? Saints have got no chance.

 

On loan for two seasons at Lecce and then Southampton, Senegal's Papa Waigo is no longer in the plans of Fiorentina. Suddenly, the international striker is seeking an exit point. And, according to his agent, there is no shortage of proposals. According to the Italian press, 3 Serie A clubs, including Brescia, Galatasaray and also lots of English and Scottish clubs have indicated their interest.

 

(My translation of the article)

 

Would love to see Papa back here, but I can't help but feel he's above our station at the moment.

[Saint Billy]

Makes you wonder if we just let Waigo slip through the net when we should have signed him straight after end of the loan term, or his demands are too much, or AP is not that fussed on him.

[alpine_saint]

Makes you wonder if we just let Waigo slip through the net when we should have signed him straight after end of the loan term, or his demands are too much, or AP is not that fussed on him.

 

I think you have it there. Wonder if deep down he's come to regret it seeing as we aint getting Antonio ?

[Iowsaintsfan]

Makes you wonder if we just let Waigo slip through the net when we should have signed him straight after end of the loan term, or his demands are too much, or AP is not that fussed on him.

 

 

tbh im not that fussed to have him back either, but we do need someone with some pace

[SaintRichmond]

35 appearances; 5 goals. OK, I'll fully accept that the majority of his appearances were from the bench, but 1 goal in 7 is far from exceptional for an attacking player.

 

For me Papa was a bit of a let down; his complete inability to comprehend the offside rule was at first humourous but before too long completely frustrating, and for me summed him up as player. I agree with you that he's a striker rather than a winger, and in that respect I'd much rather have either Barnard or Connolly up front than Waigo. Add in that we're supposed to be looking for a Lambert backup and he'd be looking at the role of 5th striker, which is not a sensisble transfer policy, so I'd now be very surprised if he did come, and a little disappointed as it would mean he was earmarked for that RM position.

 

I could never understand that.

 

The offside rule is applicable world wide. so, why did our wonderful Coaching Staff not explain it to him ???

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[Marsdinho]

Well we could spend ages arguing the various advantages /disadvantages of Waigo. Personally I think he's probably worth it. I'd like to pull you up on Adu though - it's this close season's interweb wet dream and will never happen. We'd never get a work permit even if we did agree a deal to bring him here - doesn't he need to have played 75% of his countries games to qualify for a permit? The guy didn't get into the US world cup squad. Is he actually any good anyway? He was a marketing tool for Nike when he was a kid - didn't live up to the hype and hasn't really done much since.

 

He's also about 5 years older than he says he is.

[Saint Garrett]

I think you have it there. Wonder if deep down he's come to regret it seeing as we aint getting Antonio ?

 

Am I actually agreeing with Alpine here ?!

 

I think we were expecting to get Antonio, but haven't and now regretting not picking up Papa. We do need some pace or we're going to struggle breaking some teams down IMO/

[Saint_Mabes]

I thought Papa was brilliant in a frustrating but likeable way. Been a long time since we had a player with that much personality. I'd love to see him back but can't see it. Would be really interested to know if Pardew had a clear chance to get him and what his demands were.

[Barry the Badger]

Anybody who got on Waigo's back over offsides is an idiot :-)

 

I think Papa suffered from being offside a lot in his first few games. As a result he got a reputation for it and it was picked up on every time he did it, when in actual fact he improved a lot.

 

If a striker who plays on the shoulder of the last defender is not getting caught offside occasionally, he is either totally brilliant, or not trying hard enough.

 

My point is, I would rather have a player who keeps trying to make runs and mistiming them occasionally, than one who is to nervous to ty and make them because the crowd get on their back every time they mistime it or a team mate is too slow to make the pass.

[Saint_Mabes]

I agree, got caught offside a fair few times to start with, but after that peopel just picked up more on it. I'd also love to see the TV replay technology on all his offsides, just to see if he was harshly done by.

[Appy]

To be fair the Wycombe home game his number of offsides was in double figures.

[Barry the Badger]

To be fair the Wycombe home game his number of offsides was in double figures.

 

You see, it's the plain incorrect stuff spouted like this that makes this sort of thing (where fans get on a players back) gain momentum.

 

According to these match stats there were 11 Saints offsides in the entire game http://www.football.co.uk/match_reports/southampton_wycombe_wanderers_1350225.shtml#Statistics

 

and the BBC match text mentions both Schneiderlin and Lambert being caught offside during the game, and those are just the ones mentioned.

 

Now, I can accept that he may have been offside a lot that game, but you have taken an example from what you presumably perceive to be the worst you can remember for Waigo offsides, and you're still exadurating to try and make your point.

[RinNY]

I think you'll find that over the past 15 to 20 years, no-one playing in Serie A has been caught offside more times than Pippo Inzaghi. Of course, no-one scored more goals than him either. Getting caught offside is something that happens to strikers: they spend the match trying to time their run just right, while the defenders are trying to put them offside. Certain players, because of their style of play, are more prone to becoming victims of the offside trap than others. The key is not whether a striker gets caught offside, but whether he scores enough goals to justify the mistakes. Waigo scored goals, not in the league of Inzaghi of course, but then we're not in that sort of league either, are we? As long as a player like Waigo pops up with the sort of important goals he popped up with, not to mention the odd assist, not to mention worrying the opposing defense into leaving themselves vulnerable to our other players: well, he's worth the offside decisions that go against him!

[Alwightmush]

I think people forget we are in a third division league with officials to match, and whilst Papa was indeed offside quite frequently early on, (this could be put down to the fact that he was adapting to the league) a lot of his runs were misjudged by the dodgy linesmen we have to endure.

 

I think Papa offered us something unique in his style, and from watching him play, his movement and ability on the ball made him, for me, a better option than Antonio. Who I felt on his day could use his pace and power to his advantage, especially to teams who looked stretched. I felt he struggled sometimes when it wasn't working for him and would resort to the same thing over again, trying to knock it past the defender and run onto it.

[Window Cleaner]

Leaving aside the offsides (which I don't think are of particular importance) to me Papa's problem is that he's just not clinical enough in front of goal. If the 2 chances he had against Skate had fallen to Lambert or Barnard we would have walked that game, I know he scored a few but none of them were really good goals,not like some of Antonio's. Papa is obviously having trouble finding a club, perhaps he's asking for too much much money.

[Saint_clark]

Leaving aside the offsides (which I don't think are of particular importance) to me Papa's problem is that he's just not clinical enough in front of goal. If the 2 chances he had against Skate had fallen to Lambert or Barnard we would have walked that game, I know he scored a few but none of them were really good goals,not like some of Antonio's. Papa is obviously having trouble finding a club, perhaps he's asking for too much much money.

 

I disagree, I thought he was very calm in front of goal. Watch the videos on youtube of all the Saints goals from last year - the one against Exeter in particular stands out for me.

[doddisalegend]

Leaving aside the offsides (which I don't think are of particular importance) to me Papa's problem is that he's just not clinical enough in front of goal. If the 2 chances he had against Skate had fallen to Lambert or Barnard we would have walked that game, I know he scored a few but none of them were really good goals,not like some of Antonio's. Papa is obviously having trouble finding a club, perhaps he's asking for too much much money.

 

Does that matter? Surely scoring goals at important times (like in injury time against Norwich) is more important than good goals. If we had a striker who scored thirty goals in a season all rebounded of his arse do you think people would care they weren't great goals?

[yorkie]

Thankfully he bagged a couple against Norwich in JPT - remember being destined not to go to Wembley and up he stepped!

Not a legend but timely goals!

[Window Cleaner]

Does that matter? Surely scoring goals at important times (like in injury time against Norwich) is more important than good goals. If we had a striker who scored thirty goals in a season all rebounded of his arse do you think people would care they weren't great goals?

 

 

 

it obviously matters to AP, as I've told you before even last spring there was no question of Papa returning to Saints this season, some believe him to be an exciting player but AP obviously sees it roughly as I do . Anyway perhaps he might not get a work permit nowadays, his international career is a bit of

history of late.

[doddisalegend]

it obviously matters to AP, as I've told you before even last spring there was no question of Papa returning to Saints this season, some believe him to be an exciting player but AP obviously sees it roughly as I do . Anyway perhaps he might not get a work permit nowadays, his international career is a bit of

history of late.

 

I don't think he is coming back that was pretty certain from the end of last season. Papa had some good games when he was playing well he was good to watch and gave the team an extra threat at other times he looked bloody awful. My main point was more general that people want a striker who scores goals at the right time (Papa had a knack for it) I like to see spectacular goals but if the choice is between a player scoring 15 tap ins in crucial games or five amazing goals when it doesn't matter I know which one I want in the team.