Season Ticket Sales

[slickmick]

I don't live in Southampton, I live 125 miles away but have no problem with finding out information, I am sensible and would prefer to find out information from all other means rather than rely on a letter. This has nothing to do with NC, perhaps you should try it, you are afterall online

For every fan like you, there is one that isn't. How many sales have we lost I wonder.

[NickG]

Why not send out Reminders by Email?

 

That would not be costly - Most People have Email addresses in fact one of my daughters has five

 

They did, I had email with all details on.

[slickmick]

well..th truth will come out for the club if after the last home game of the season...the total number of home fans is lower than the season just gone and/or the gate receipts are down...

 

 

How about comparing the first few home games, that is the comparison that needs to be made.

[Weston Saint]

Sorry, but that makes very little sense to me.

 

If the club were going to advertise externallly for season tickets then they would have started when they first went on sale. Why is there "no point" in advertising until 30th June? Season tickets have been on sale to both existing and new customers from 1st June. It would have made much more sense to advertise before now, as you can target new and existing customers in one advertising campaign. Waiting a month to target new customers and thereby ignoring dismissing existing customers makes no business sense at all as you are missing the majority of your target market.

 

They wait until the "early bird" have renewed. They then target non renewals with a reminder and at the same time advertise in the media. It is all about keeping administration cost levels to a minimum the business model can justify

[Thedelldays]

How about comparing the first few home games, that is the comparison that needs to be made.

 

maybe...you could say..the first 5 home games...if the total number of home fans through the gate is down..then that could be an indicator that they have got it wrong...(although, not definitive)

 

trouble is..how do you find out the number of home fans though from last season (or any season)...there are also other variables too..but it will be a good indicator

[NickG]

No you plank, that is someone who has principles and will not hand over £400 to a business, whatever business that might be when the club can't even be @rsed to send out a renewal notice to their members. There are many many people like that.

 

that is so obsessed and bizarre it made me lol!

[slickmick]

maybe...you could say..the first 5 home games...if the total number of home fans through the gate is down..then that could be an indicator that they have got it wrong...(although, not definitive)

 

trouble is..how do you find out the number of home fans though from last season (or any season)...there are also other variables too..but it will be a good indicator

 

I'll agree on that.

[Thedelldays]

I'll agree on that.

sweet....now, how the bloody hell do you find out the number of home fans at sms..???

 

dont they sometimes say how many the visitors brough in the post match reaction thingys on the OS..?

 

[John B]

They did, I had email with all details on.

 

Thats good then so whats the problem then?

[saintwarwick]

For every fan like you, there is one that isn't. How many sales have we lost I wonder.

 

None as far as I know but if you have other figures please feel free to let us all know

[saintwarwick]

How about comparing the first few home games, that is the comparison that needs to be made.

 

In comparison to what, last season? Ok then jot this down and then compare sometime in September after 5 games:

 

Millwall, 20,101

Brentford: 19,169

Colchester, 17,070

Yeovil, 19,907

Bristol Rovers, 19,724

 

This hasn't included cup games

[slickmick]

None as far as I know but if you have other figures please feel free to let us all know

 

Can you prove theres been none ? Please feel free to let us all know.

[Thedelldays]

In comparison to what, last season? Ok then jot this down and then compare sometime in September after 5 games:

 

Millwall, 20,101

Brentford: 19,169

Colchester, 17,070

Yeovil, 19,907

Bristol Rovers, 19,724

 

This hasn't included cup games

 

or the number of away fans..

 

millwall would have brought loads

and if I remember,. rovers sold the whole allocation...

 

all pretty southern...

[slickmick]

In comparison to what, last season? Ok then jot this down and then compare sometime in September after 5 games:

 

Millwall, 20,101

Brentford: 19,169

Colchester, 17,070

Yeovil, 19,907

Bristol Rovers, 19,724

 

This hasn't included cup games

 

Your on.

 

No lame excuses about the weather, budget, holidays, illness ect.

Edited 20 June, 2010 by slickmick

[saintwarwick]

or the number of away fans..

 

millwall would have brought loads

and if I remember,. rovers sold the whole allocation...

 

all pretty southern...

 

Rovers never did sell the full allocation and all I was doing was giving the the attendances for our first 5 fixtures as what was requested.

[slickmick]

Rovers never did sell the full allocation and all I was doing was giving the the attendances for our first 5 fixtures as what was requested.

 

Home fans only count warwick.

[saintwarwick]

Home fans only count warwick.

 

No they don't slick, this is the recognised attendances on matchdays including away fans. Are you telling me the skates (31,385 gate of 32,500) didn't have the full allocation they were entitled to in our cup game. ie 15% of what they are entitled to, 4,800? This shows the full attendance including away fans.

[Thedelldays]

No they don't slick, this is the recognised attendances on matchdays including away fans. Are you telling me the skates (31,385 gate of 32,500) didn't have the full allocation they were entitled to in our cup game. ie 15% of what they are entitled to, 4,800? This shows the full attendance including away fans.

 

what we are saying before..was that lets see the first 5 home games of the season...try and find out how many home fans attended and get some sort of inidication how that compares to last season (again, home fans) and see if it looks like if the club have fecked up

[Andy_Porter]

I think the attendances will probably be as high if not higher than last season at the start of the season. I think the hard times will come during the winter, especially if we have a couple of good cup runs and end up with a **** load of Tuesday games again.

 

I think the real balls up has been alienating fans and losing some of the feel good factor.

 

Personally I don't have a problem with the booking fee or taking away the installment plan, I just think it's bang out of order how they handled it and didn't give any sort of pre-warning that if might happen. I'm now at the point where I rightly or wrongly think Cortese is here simply for the money.

[hypochondriac]

Certainly recent signs are not encouraging Andy.

[Thedelldays]

Certainly recent signs are not encouraging Andy.

why else would he be here..? seriously

 

I could not careless the reasons for him being here..if we are in the prem in 4 seasons time..then, thank you very much..

even if he left when we are in the CCC, then again, thank you very much..

[The Cat]

A few pages back someone asked about moving your seat when renewing.

 

It is possible. I even moved my seat from Block 33 to 36 and paid £65 less.

[hypochondriac]

why else would he be here..? seriously

 

I could not careless the reasons for him being here..if we are in the prem in 4 seasons time..then, thank you very much..

even if he left when we are in the CCC, then again, thank you very much..

 

That's fine TDD but for others that is not the only thing they care about. Rumours of law suits is worrying, as is decisions being made with no explanation IMO. If there is a decision taken which negatively affects you then do you not think the least you deserve is an explanation? I imagine that it wouldn't bother you but you must concede that it bothers a great many saints fans, enough to make it a real problem I would say.

[Thedelldays]

That's fine TDD but for others that is not the only thing they care about. Rumours of law suits is worrying, as is decisions being made with no explanation IMO. If there is a decision taken which negatively affects you then do you not think the least you deserve is an explanation? I imagine that it wouldn't bother you but you must concede that it bothers a great many saints fans, enough to make it a real problem I would say.

 

you are right..and I dont doubt all is not hunky dory all the time...but right now, with the state of the english game...with the massive changes coming from UEFA...

would I swap the set up we have with anyone else..? apart from about, say 5 (max) clubs...NO FECKING WAY!!!!!

 

I think we are pretty safe out of the 92 clubs in England..

[hypochondriac]

you are right..and I dont doubt all is not hunky dory all the time...but right now, with the state of the english game...with the massive changes coming from UEFA...

would I swap the set up we have with anyone else..? apart from about, say 5 (max) clubs...NO FECKING WAY!!!!!

 

I think we are pretty safe out of the 92 clubs in England..

 

But being the best of a bad bunch does not mean that we should not highlight problems and issues within the administration and that we should not press the club for answers and to improve its relationship with the fans wherever possible.

[Thedelldays]

But being the best of a bad bunch does not mean that we should not highlight problems and issues within the administration and that we should not press the club for answers and to improve its relationship with the fans wherever possible.

 

best of a bad bunch...

 

who is this bad bunch..?

 

ok...what have you done to highlight it...seriously..apart from an email to the club..what have you done..?

[John B]

That's fine TDD but for others that is not the only thing they care about. Rumours of law suits is worrying, as is decisions being made with no explanation IMO. If there is a decision taken which negatively affects you then do you not think the least you deserve is an explanation? I imagine that it wouldn't bother you but you must concede that it bothers a great many saints fans, enough to make it a real problem I would say.

 

Yes I think you are right but what Law Suit Rumours - What have I missed

[slickmick]

No they don't slick, this is the recognised attendances on matchdays including away fans. Are you telling me the skates (31,385 gate of 32,500) didn't have the full allocation they were entitled to in our cup game. ie 15% of what they are entitled to, 4,800? This shows the full attendance including away fans.

 

Whats that got to do with this thread ? If we have a gate of 21000 against Plymouth and 10,000 are Plymouth fans, would you consider that NC's season ticket policy is working ?

Think you have lost track of the debate.

[hypochondriac]

Yes I think you are right but what Law Suit Rumours - What have I missed

 

Sorry am not prepared to elaborate on here. There have been rumours of law suits against some fans and the Echo.

[saintwarwick]

Whats that got to do with this thread ? If we have a gate of 21000 against Plymouth and 10,000 are Plymouth fans, would you consider that NC's season ticket policy is working ?

Think you have lost track of the debate.

 

And your quote that only home fans count? I replied to you about fans we have, prove me wrong next season if this proves to be less than the last season.

[hypochondriac]

best of a bad bunch...

 

who is this bad bunch..?

 

ok...what have you done to highlight it...seriously..apart from an email to the club..what have you done..?

 

The bad bunch being football club administrations/chairmans. It's irrelevent anyway, I could have just as easily have said, SFC may have a better administration in charge than most clubs, but that does not mean that there aren't big areas for improvement.

 

If there is no fans forum then I shall be writing to both the club and the echo to highlight my concerns. I believe a group of fans (including mods on here) met last week to see if something could be sorted out. I am not sure of the conclusions. There is also rumours that Cortese was influenced to backtrack somewhat over sacking Pardew (you will no doubt dismiss this point but whatever.) Having fans be aware of what is going on and expressing displeasure at certain decisions means that the club are less likely to continually try their luck to see what they can get away with. The alternative is just sitting back, doing nothing and accepting whatever the club decides to do and I'm not prepared to do that.

[The Kraken]

The bad bunch being football club administrations/chairmans. It's irrelevent anyway, I could have just as easily have said, SFC may have a better administration in charge than most clubs, but that does not mean that there aren't big areas for improvement.

 

If there is no fans forum then I shall be writing to both the club and the echo to highlight my concerns. I believe a group of fans (including mods on here) met last week to see if something could be sorted out. I am not sure of the conclusions. There is also rumours that Cortese was influenced to backtrack somewhat over sacking Pardew (you will no doubt dismiss this point but whatever.) Having fans be aware of what is going on and expressing displeasure at certain decisions means that the club are less likely to continually try their luck to see what they can get away with. The alternative is just sitting back, doing nothing and accepting whatever the club decides to do and I'm not prepared to do that.

 

The sad fact is hypo that the fans' forum is really the only way of getting the club to engage with the customers. Contacting the club directly has had no impact (I have first hand experience of this), and it could be argued that discussions on here have prompted the Echo to run with the stories and directly question the club, which again hasn't had the desired impact. Short of the fans forum, which I have severe doubts will be as open as last year(if indeed they actually have one) I'm afraid it's very much like it or lump it.

[EastleighSoulBoy]

I think the attendances will probably be as high if not higher than last season at the start of the season. I think the hard times will come during the winter, especially if we have a couple of good cup runs and end up with a **** load of Tuesday games again.

 

I think the real balls up has been alienating fans and losing some of the feel good factor.

 

Personally I don't have a problem with the booking fee or taking away the installment plan, I just think it's bang out of order how they handled it and didn't give any sort of pre-warning that if might happen. I'm now at the point where I rightly or wrongly think Cortese is here simply for the money.

 

Despite them saving Saints both NC and ML are here for the money. They saw us as a prudent investment and a way to make a return on their investment over a given time. To think otherwise would be very naive.

 

What is even more naive is NC's strange attitude to us fans, his customers. His outlook seems almost gung ho and based on the fact that we drew fairly good crowds all season and amassed c.50K fans at Wembley. NC needs to realise that the JPT was a one off. If the product at SMS, or the ability to afford going there regularly, is poor then there will be a drop in attendances.

 

In a business you need a bond of loyalty between the business and the customers. NC has, for a good few, stretched that bond to breaking point. Make it difficult to shop and your customers will find other ways of spending their money.

 

Times are hard, they will get harder. What will go first? A season ticket or the once a year family holiday? Make it easy to commit to the club and most fans will be able to still afford both.

[slickmick]

And your quote that only home fans count? I replied to you about fans we have, prove me wrong next season if this proves to be less than the last season.

 

 

But its home fans the debate is about.

Mods: How do you get the smiley thing with him banging his head against a brick wall ?

Edited 20 June, 2010 by slickmick

[spyinthesky]

It is not only the 'real' fans but the corporate side too.

 

Now many will say why bother with them but businesses filling the corporate boxes and hospitality rooms bring in decent revenue and Rupes and his gang did well on this side albeit with Prem games to sell. Last season Andy Oldknow set up a meet prior to the Bristol Rovs game for NC to explain how important it was for SFC to work with local businesses. NC never turned up and since then seems to have alienated a number of loyal local businesses which is a shame as they all want to support him and the club generally

[Thedelldays]

oh sod it

 

cortese out

[StuRomseySaint]

well..th truth will come out for the club if after the last home game of the season...the total number of home fans is lower than the season just gone and/or the gate receipts are down...

 

No... because without the -10 and having a real chance of winning the league, the club SHOULD have had significantly higher gates than last season and significantly more season tickets, when let's be honest, we never really had a chance of league success. Anything more than a significant rise in gates will be a massive fail on Cortese's part... and look to the Dagenham and Redbridge game on a cold November night, which could well be our lowest league attendance for years.

[Thedelldays]

No... because without the -10 and having a real chance of winning the league, the club SHOULD have had significantly higher gates than last season and significantly more season tickets, when let's be honest, we never really had a chance of league success. Anything more than a significant rise in gates will be a massive fail on Cortese's part... and look to the Dagenham and Redbridge game on a cold November night, which could well be our lowest league attendance for years.

 

so the feel good factor last season had nothing to do with it..? the mad rush to get ST (12k in a matter of weeks) due to the billionaire rolling into town..new manager and signing a league 1 star player..???

 

see stu, that is why no one will debate this really with you..you are not prepared to listen and you have to be right..

if it is up, then you may well be wrong about all this and NC right..

 

if MORE saints fans walk through the gates at SMS next season...the the club (sadly) got it right..

[dune]

No... because without the -10 and having a real chance of winning the league, the club SHOULD have had significantly higher gates than last season and significantly more season tickets, when let's be honest, we never really had a chance of league success. Anything more than a significant rise in gates will be a massive fail on Cortese's part... and look to the Dagenham and Redbridge game on a cold November night, which could well be our lowest league attendance for years.

 

Ultimately everything boils down to supply and demand. Once demand exceeds supply the I predict the WUM's on here will change their tune when it's £50 a game.

[Tractor_Saint]

I predict the WUM's on here

 

Now I'm really confused.

[slickmick]

 

if MORE saints fans walk through the gates at SMS next season...the the club (sadly) got it right..

 

I'll except that. Only on the basis of the 1st 5 games, because as we all know, a flying start will bump the crowds as much as a poor one will diminish them.

Edited 20 June, 2010 by slickmick

[Thedelldays]

I'll except that.

when you look at the numbers..what was it...10% used the installment plan..

 

when we take 50k to wembley..I bet markus..more so cortese could see nothing buy ££££ signs....it is CLEAR that the potential is there..

 

1300 out of 50,000 saints fans..looks like (sadly) small beans on the balance sheet

[hypochondriac]

TDD I can see the thinking of Cortese, I just don't like the way it has been implemented and how fans have been shown so little respect.

[StuRomseySaint]

when you look at the numbers..what was it...10% used the installment plan..

 

when we take 50k to wembley..I bet markus..more so cortese could see nothing buy ££££ signs....it is CLEAR that the potential is there..

 

1300 out of 50,000 saints fans..looks like (sadly) small beans on the balance sheet

 

Which is where Cortese is deluded. The 50,000 won't come back whilst we are in League 1.

[Thedelldays]

Which is where Cortese is deluded. The 50,000 won't come back whilst we are in League 1.

 

no, they wont..maybe (rightly or wrongly) he wants to change the busniess model and doing it this way will updet the least amount of fans at any time he will be here..

 

fuk knows

[Saints foreva]

Which is where Cortese is deluded. The 50,000 won't come back whilst we are in League 1.

 

I would say 8,000 of those at Wembley probably didn't support Saints in the first place....

[View From The Top]

no, they wont..maybe (rightly or wrongly) he wants to change the busniess model and doing it this way will updet the least amount of fans at any time he will be here..

 

fuk knows

 

The customers you never upset are those that provide your core business.

 

The way that NC has handled the season ticket issue has lacked thought IMHO.

[SaintRichmond]

Sorry, but that makes very little sense to me.

 

If the club were going to advertise externallly for season tickets then they would have started when they first went on sale. Why is there "no point" in advertising until 30th June? Season tickets have been on sale to both existing and new customers from 1st June. It would have made much more sense to advertise before now, as you can target new and existing customers in one advertising campaign. Waiting a month to target new customers and thereby ignoring dismissing existing customers makes no business sense at all as you are missing the majority of your target market.

 

Perhaps we could get a comment about this from Mr Luker ...... to us FANS

[StuRomseySaint]

Perhaps we could get a comment about this from Mr Luker ...... to us FANS

 

I don't think it is fair to challenge Luker, I think it's pretty obvious for all to see that he had no say in the ticketing structure, shown by the schoolboy error with regards to the booking fees and surcharges.

[saintwarwick]

But its home fans the debate is about.

Mods: How do you get the smiley thing with him banging his head against a brick wall ?

 

Ha ha have to laugh at this, I suggest you read all of this thread to realise what we are debating and all I did is give an answer to a question asked, I suggest you bang your head if you cannot except an answer which doesn't fit your liking.