slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 I don't live in Southampton, I live 125 miles away but have no problem with finding out information, I am sensible and would prefer to find out information from all other means rather than rely on a letter. This has nothing to do with NC, perhaps you should try it, you are afterall online For every fan like you, there is one that isn't. How many sales have we lost I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Why not send out Reminders by Email? That would not be costly - Most People have Email addresses in fact one of my daughters has five They did, I had email with all details on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 well..th truth will come out for the club if after the last home game of the season...the total number of home fans is lower than the season just gone and/or the gate receipts are down... How about comparing the first few home games, that is the comparison that needs to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Saint Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Sorry, but that makes very little sense to me. If the club were going to advertise externallly for season tickets then they would have started when they first went on sale. Why is there "no point" in advertising until 30th June? Season tickets have been on sale to both existing and new customers from 1st June. It would have made much more sense to advertise before now, as you can target new and existing customers in one advertising campaign. Waiting a month to target new customers and thereby ignoring dismissing existing customers makes no business sense at all as you are missing the majority of your target market. They wait until the "early bird" have renewed. They then target non renewals with a reminder and at the same time advertise in the media. It is all about keeping administration cost levels to a minimum the business model can justify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 How about comparing the first few home games, that is the comparison that needs to be made. maybe...you could say..the first 5 home games...if the total number of home fans through the gate is down..then that could be an indicator that they have got it wrong...(although, not definitive) trouble is..how do you find out the number of home fans though from last season (or any season)...there are also other variables too..but it will be a good indicator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 No you plank, that is someone who has principles and will not hand over £400 to a business, whatever business that might be when the club can't even be @rsed to send out a renewal notice to their members. There are many many people like that. that is so obsessed and bizarre it made me lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 maybe...you could say..the first 5 home games...if the total number of home fans through the gate is down..then that could be an indicator that they have got it wrong...(although, not definitive) trouble is..how do you find out the number of home fans though from last season (or any season)...there are also other variables too..but it will be a good indicator I'll agree on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 I'll agree on that. sweet....now, how the bloody hell do you find out the number of home fans at sms..??? dont they sometimes say how many the visitors brough in the post match reaction thingys on the OS..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 They did, I had email with all details on. Thats good then so whats the problem then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 For every fan like you, there is one that isn't. How many sales have we lost I wonder. None as far as I know but if you have other figures please feel free to let us all know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 How about comparing the first few home games, that is the comparison that needs to be made. In comparison to what, last season? Ok then jot this down and then compare sometime in September after 5 games: Millwall, 20,101 Brentford: 19,169 Colchester, 17,070 Yeovil, 19,907 Bristol Rovers, 19,724 This hasn't included cup games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 None as far as I know but if you have other figures please feel free to let us all know Can you prove theres been none ? Please feel free to let us all know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 In comparison to what, last season? Ok then jot this down and then compare sometime in September after 5 games: Millwall, 20,101 Brentford: 19,169 Colchester, 17,070 Yeovil, 19,907 Bristol Rovers, 19,724 This hasn't included cup games or the number of away fans.. millwall would have brought loads and if I remember,. rovers sold the whole allocation... all pretty southern... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 (edited) In comparison to what, last season? Ok then jot this down and then compare sometime in September after 5 games: Millwall, 20,101 Brentford: 19,169 Colchester, 17,070 Yeovil, 19,907 Bristol Rovers, 19,724 This hasn't included cup games Your on. No lame excuses about the weather, budget, holidays, illness ect. Edited 20 June, 2010 by slickmick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 or the number of away fans.. millwall would have brought loads and if I remember,. rovers sold the whole allocation... all pretty southern... Rovers never did sell the full allocation and all I was doing was giving the the attendances for our first 5 fixtures as what was requested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Rovers never did sell the full allocation and all I was doing was giving the the attendances for our first 5 fixtures as what was requested. Home fans only count warwick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Home fans only count warwick. No they don't slick, this is the recognised attendances on matchdays including away fans. Are you telling me the skates (31,385 gate of 32,500) didn't have the full allocation they were entitled to in our cup game. ie 15% of what they are entitled to, 4,800? This shows the full attendance including away fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 No they don't slick, this is the recognised attendances on matchdays including away fans. Are you telling me the skates (31,385 gate of 32,500) didn't have the full allocation they were entitled to in our cup game. ie 15% of what they are entitled to, 4,800? This shows the full attendance including away fans. what we are saying before..was that lets see the first 5 home games of the season...try and find out how many home fans attended and get some sort of inidication how that compares to last season (again, home fans) and see if it looks like if the club have fecked up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 I think the attendances will probably be as high if not higher than last season at the start of the season. I think the hard times will come during the winter, especially if we have a couple of good cup runs and end up with a **** load of Tuesday games again. I think the real balls up has been alienating fans and losing some of the feel good factor. Personally I don't have a problem with the booking fee or taking away the installment plan, I just think it's bang out of order how they handled it and didn't give any sort of pre-warning that if might happen. I'm now at the point where I rightly or wrongly think Cortese is here simply for the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Certainly recent signs are not encouraging Andy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Certainly recent signs are not encouraging Andy. why else would he be here..? seriously I could not careless the reasons for him being here..if we are in the prem in 4 seasons time..then, thank you very much.. even if he left when we are in the CCC, then again, thank you very much.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Cat Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 A few pages back someone asked about moving your seat when renewing. It is possible. I even moved my seat from Block 33 to 36 and paid £65 less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 why else would he be here..? seriously I could not careless the reasons for him being here..if we are in the prem in 4 seasons time..then, thank you very much.. even if he left when we are in the CCC, then again, thank you very much.. That's fine TDD but for others that is not the only thing they care about. Rumours of law suits is worrying, as is decisions being made with no explanation IMO. If there is a decision taken which negatively affects you then do you not think the least you deserve is an explanation? I imagine that it wouldn't bother you but you must concede that it bothers a great many saints fans, enough to make it a real problem I would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 That's fine TDD but for others that is not the only thing they care about. Rumours of law suits is worrying, as is decisions being made with no explanation IMO. If there is a decision taken which negatively affects you then do you not think the least you deserve is an explanation? I imagine that it wouldn't bother you but you must concede that it bothers a great many saints fans, enough to make it a real problem I would say. you are right..and I dont doubt all is not hunky dory all the time...but right now, with the state of the english game...with the massive changes coming from UEFA... would I swap the set up we have with anyone else..? apart from about, say 5 (max) clubs...NO FECKING WAY!!!!! I think we are pretty safe out of the 92 clubs in England.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 you are right..and I dont doubt all is not hunky dory all the time...but right now, with the state of the english game...with the massive changes coming from UEFA... would I swap the set up we have with anyone else..? apart from about, say 5 (max) clubs...NO FECKING WAY!!!!! I think we are pretty safe out of the 92 clubs in England.. But being the best of a bad bunch does not mean that we should not highlight problems and issues within the administration and that we should not press the club for answers and to improve its relationship with the fans wherever possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 But being the best of a bad bunch does not mean that we should not highlight problems and issues within the administration and that we should not press the club for answers and to improve its relationship with the fans wherever possible. best of a bad bunch... who is this bad bunch..? ok...what have you done to highlight it...seriously..apart from an email to the club..what have you done..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 That's fine TDD but for others that is not the only thing they care about. Rumours of law suits is worrying, as is decisions being made with no explanation IMO. If there is a decision taken which negatively affects you then do you not think the least you deserve is an explanation? I imagine that it wouldn't bother you but you must concede that it bothers a great many saints fans, enough to make it a real problem I would say. Yes I think you are right but what Law Suit Rumours - What have I missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 No they don't slick, this is the recognised attendances on matchdays including away fans. Are you telling me the skates (31,385 gate of 32,500) didn't have the full allocation they were entitled to in our cup game. ie 15% of what they are entitled to, 4,800? This shows the full attendance including away fans. Whats that got to do with this thread ? If we have a gate of 21000 against Plymouth and 10,000 are Plymouth fans, would you consider that NC's season ticket policy is working ? Think you have lost track of the debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Yes I think you are right but what Law Suit Rumours - What have I missed Sorry am not prepared to elaborate on here. There have been rumours of law suits against some fans and the Echo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Whats that got to do with this thread ? If we have a gate of 21000 against Plymouth and 10,000 are Plymouth fans, would you consider that NC's season ticket policy is working ? Think you have lost track of the debate. And your quote that only home fans count? I replied to you about fans we have, prove me wrong next season if this proves to be less than the last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 best of a bad bunch... who is this bad bunch..? ok...what have you done to highlight it...seriously..apart from an email to the club..what have you done..? The bad bunch being football club administrations/chairmans. It's irrelevent anyway, I could have just as easily have said, SFC may have a better administration in charge than most clubs, but that does not mean that there aren't big areas for improvement. If there is no fans forum then I shall be writing to both the club and the echo to highlight my concerns. I believe a group of fans (including mods on here) met last week to see if something could be sorted out. I am not sure of the conclusions. There is also rumours that Cortese was influenced to backtrack somewhat over sacking Pardew (you will no doubt dismiss this point but whatever.) Having fans be aware of what is going on and expressing displeasure at certain decisions means that the club are less likely to continually try their luck to see what they can get away with. The alternative is just sitting back, doing nothing and accepting whatever the club decides to do and I'm not prepared to do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kraken Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 The bad bunch being football club administrations/chairmans. It's irrelevent anyway, I could have just as easily have said, SFC may have a better administration in charge than most clubs, but that does not mean that there aren't big areas for improvement. If there is no fans forum then I shall be writing to both the club and the echo to highlight my concerns. I believe a group of fans (including mods on here) met last week to see if something could be sorted out. I am not sure of the conclusions. There is also rumours that Cortese was influenced to backtrack somewhat over sacking Pardew (you will no doubt dismiss this point but whatever.) Having fans be aware of what is going on and expressing displeasure at certain decisions means that the club are less likely to continually try their luck to see what they can get away with. The alternative is just sitting back, doing nothing and accepting whatever the club decides to do and I'm not prepared to do that. The sad fact is hypo that the fans' forum is really the only way of getting the club to engage with the customers. Contacting the club directly has had no impact (I have first hand experience of this), and it could be argued that discussions on here have prompted the Echo to run with the stories and directly question the club, which again hasn't had the desired impact. Short of the fans forum, which I have severe doubts will be as open as last year(if indeed they actually have one) I'm afraid it's very much like it or lump it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 I think the attendances will probably be as high if not higher than last season at the start of the season. I think the hard times will come during the winter, especially if we have a couple of good cup runs and end up with a **** load of Tuesday games again. I think the real balls up has been alienating fans and losing some of the feel good factor. Personally I don't have a problem with the booking fee or taking away the installment plan, I just think it's bang out of order how they handled it and didn't give any sort of pre-warning that if might happen. I'm now at the point where I rightly or wrongly think Cortese is here simply for the money. Despite them saving Saints both NC and ML are here for the money. They saw us as a prudent investment and a way to make a return on their investment over a given time. To think otherwise would be very naive. What is even more naive is NC's strange attitude to us fans, his customers. His outlook seems almost gung ho and based on the fact that we drew fairly good crowds all season and amassed c.50K fans at Wembley. NC needs to realise that the JPT was a one off. If the product at SMS, or the ability to afford going there regularly, is poor then there will be a drop in attendances. In a business you need a bond of loyalty between the business and the customers. NC has, for a good few, stretched that bond to breaking point. Make it difficult to shop and your customers will find other ways of spending their money. Times are hard, they will get harder. What will go first? A season ticket or the once a year family holiday? Make it easy to commit to the club and most fans will be able to still afford both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 (edited) And your quote that only home fans count? I replied to you about fans we have, prove me wrong next season if this proves to be less than the last season. But its home fans the debate is about. Mods: How do you get the smiley thing with him banging his head against a brick wall ? Edited 20 June, 2010 by slickmick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyinthesky Posted 20 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 20 June, 2010 It is not only the 'real' fans but the corporate side too. Now many will say why bother with them but businesses filling the corporate boxes and hospitality rooms bring in decent revenue and Rupes and his gang did well on this side albeit with Prem games to sell. Last season Andy Oldknow set up a meet prior to the Bristol Rovs game for NC to explain how important it was for SFC to work with local businesses. NC never turned up and since then seems to have alienated a number of loyal local businesses which is a shame as they all want to support him and the club generally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 oh sod it cortese out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 well..th truth will come out for the club if after the last home game of the season...the total number of home fans is lower than the season just gone and/or the gate receipts are down... No... because without the -10 and having a real chance of winning the league, the club SHOULD have had significantly higher gates than last season and significantly more season tickets, when let's be honest, we never really had a chance of league success. Anything more than a significant rise in gates will be a massive fail on Cortese's part... and look to the Dagenham and Redbridge game on a cold November night, which could well be our lowest league attendance for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 No... because without the -10 and having a real chance of winning the league, the club SHOULD have had significantly higher gates than last season and significantly more season tickets, when let's be honest, we never really had a chance of league success. Anything more than a significant rise in gates will be a massive fail on Cortese's part... and look to the Dagenham and Redbridge game on a cold November night, which could well be our lowest league attendance for years. so the feel good factor last season had nothing to do with it..? the mad rush to get ST (12k in a matter of weeks) due to the billionaire rolling into town..new manager and signing a league 1 star player..??? see stu, that is why no one will debate this really with you..you are not prepared to listen and you have to be right.. if it is up, then you may well be wrong about all this and NC right.. if MORE saints fans walk through the gates at SMS next season...the the club (sadly) got it right.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 No... because without the -10 and having a real chance of winning the league, the club SHOULD have had significantly higher gates than last season and significantly more season tickets, when let's be honest, we never really had a chance of league success. Anything more than a significant rise in gates will be a massive fail on Cortese's part... and look to the Dagenham and Redbridge game on a cold November night, which could well be our lowest league attendance for years. Ultimately everything boils down to supply and demand. Once demand exceeds supply the I predict the WUM's on here will change their tune when it's £50 a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tractor_Saint Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 I predict the WUM's on here Now I'm really confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 (edited) if MORE saints fans walk through the gates at SMS next season...the the club (sadly) got it right.. I'll except that. Only on the basis of the 1st 5 games, because as we all know, a flying start will bump the crowds as much as a poor one will diminish them. Edited 20 June, 2010 by slickmick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 I'll except that. when you look at the numbers..what was it...10% used the installment plan.. when we take 50k to wembley..I bet markus..more so cortese could see nothing buy ££££ signs....it is CLEAR that the potential is there.. 1300 out of 50,000 saints fans..looks like (sadly) small beans on the balance sheet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 TDD I can see the thinking of Cortese, I just don't like the way it has been implemented and how fans have been shown so little respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 when you look at the numbers..what was it...10% used the installment plan.. when we take 50k to wembley..I bet markus..more so cortese could see nothing buy ££££ signs....it is CLEAR that the potential is there.. 1300 out of 50,000 saints fans..looks like (sadly) small beans on the balance sheet Which is where Cortese is deluded. The 50,000 won't come back whilst we are in League 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Which is where Cortese is deluded. The 50,000 won't come back whilst we are in League 1. no, they wont..maybe (rightly or wrongly) he wants to change the busniess model and doing it this way will updet the least amount of fans at any time he will be here.. fuk knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Which is where Cortese is deluded. The 50,000 won't come back whilst we are in League 1. I would say 8,000 of those at Wembley probably didn't support Saints in the first place.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 no, they wont..maybe (rightly or wrongly) he wants to change the busniess model and doing it this way will updet the least amount of fans at any time he will be here.. fuk knows The customers you never upset are those that provide your core business. The way that NC has handled the season ticket issue has lacked thought IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Sorry, but that makes very little sense to me. If the club were going to advertise externallly for season tickets then they would have started when they first went on sale. Why is there "no point" in advertising until 30th June? Season tickets have been on sale to both existing and new customers from 1st June. It would have made much more sense to advertise before now, as you can target new and existing customers in one advertising campaign. Waiting a month to target new customers and thereby ignoring dismissing existing customers makes no business sense at all as you are missing the majority of your target market. Perhaps we could get a comment about this from Mr Luker ...... to us FANS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 Perhaps we could get a comment about this from Mr Luker ...... to us FANS I don't think it is fair to challenge Luker, I think it's pretty obvious for all to see that he had no say in the ticketing structure, shown by the schoolboy error with regards to the booking fees and surcharges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 20 June, 2010 Share Posted 20 June, 2010 But its home fans the debate is about. Mods: How do you get the smiley thing with him banging his head against a brick wall ? Ha ha have to laugh at this, I suggest you read all of this thread to realise what we are debating and all I did is give an answer to a question asked, I suggest you bang your head if you cannot except an answer which doesn't fit your liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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