SaintsWeb Offline from approx 7pm - now back online!

[Ponty]

if the site can't keep with me -its slow!

 

Seriously though, I was having the same trouble on Sunday night but it seems alright tonight. I have no explanation for this though.

[Thedelldays]

Ponty...what does this new format/setup offer that it is so different it is worth making people not like it..?

[Ponty]

Ponty...what does this new format/setup offer that it is so different it is worth making people not like it..?

 

The links are arguably more intuitive but that's quite subjective. It's really Steve's baby but I believe that if we wanted to take advantage of the latest vBulletin software then we had to change the skin too as the previous one was no longer compatible. There are dozens of reasons why upgrading to the latest version was desirable from an administrative point of view but I can accept that at the point of use these are less tangible.

 

One thing I have no doubt of is that the niggles will be resolved as they come to light and ultimately we will be left with something that is more obviously far superior to what we had before.

[RonManager]

I don't know if this helps you, RM, but clicking "What's New?" on the banner (under Keegan on my screen) brings up a list solely of threads with posts you haven't read, defaulted to newest at the top. It's what I do to save me clicking in and out of the main page to see where I need to go and read posts for moderation purposes.

 

Yes, I've used that - it appears to do the same job as the 'New Posts' button. Both are fine. What I would like is either of those buttons to be available at the base of the page as they do not appear in the 'Quick Navigation' drop down menu. It just saves going back to the top to use them.

[dune]

There's nothing wrong with the basic format/set up that a few tweeks won't put right. Essentially it's the same as the old forum and there's very little to do to improve the aesthetic look.

[Dark Munster]

Try 'one-finger' typing.

 

[brmbrm]

Too white, too much space, heavy on the eyes.

 

Meh. Just one more "change for change's sake" that makes things just a little bit worse.

 

Far too much white. No contrast.

[Whitey Grandad]

Too white, too much space, heavy on the eyes.

 

Meh. Just one more "change for change's sake" that makes things just a little bit worse.

 

Far too much white. No contrast.

Yup. Too much white, painful to read.

[SPJUK]

Yup. Too much white, painful to read.

Agree, too much white, hurts the eyes after a short time

[Saint_Donovan]

Any news on the Tapatalk issues mods?

[saint_stevo]

any news on the 'doesn't see i have logged in already until i go into a forum and come back out' issue?

 

On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being total disaster and 10 being total success, where do the admin team place this upgrade? Why upgrade in the first place? What is this added functionality? Blogs? Just make The9 register on blogspot...........

 

Upgrade for upgrade's sake?

 

The white is vile and stands out more than before. A bloke in my office who has sat next to me for 9 months or so asked what this was for the first time today.......and i am a fairly frequent visitor....

[Bristol_Benji]

Agree, too much white, hurts the eyes after a short time

 

Definately too much white - have to change my monitor to another preset mode to dull the screen. Agree that the old colour scheme was much better.

[silversaint]

Guys, if it wasn't for Steve, Baj etc. we wouldn't have this forum to spend all our time on! Get off their backs and get behind the forum and the club ffs!

[saint_stevo]

Guys, if it wasn't for Steve, Baj etc. we wouldn't have this forum to spend all our time on! Get off their backs and get behind the forum and the club ffs!

 

If we hadn't all paid a £5er i would see your point. None of this is personal, i like Steve (apart from when he played his part in my horrific knee injury) and have in the past spent time with him socially so its nothing to do with them personally, just that the site was 'upgraded' and now x amount of people either have problems or dislike the new style/interface

[Thedelldays]

any news on the 'doesn't see i have logged in already until i go into a forum and come back out' issue?

 

On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being total disaster and 10 being total success, where do the admin team place this upgrade? Why upgrade in the first place? What is this added functionality? Blogs? Just make The9 register on blogspot...........

 

Upgrade for upgrade's sake?

 

The white is vile and stands out more than before. A bloke in my office who has sat next to me for 9 months or so asked what this was for the first time today.......and i am a fairly frequent visitor....

 

I would say I would score it about 3....with the last format about 9..

 

why the change..? this is a message board not a blog site...you will find that the same 3 or so posters will post blogs...and it will become dull as fuk...this place is losing the feel of what made it so bloody good..

 

the colours in this format are awful, it is slow, and has peed off alot of people who would not normally say..

 

however, I get the impression that the admin team will stick with this regardless now to prove a point..?

I hope the few new features are worth peeing off those who would normally pay up..

 

like I have said, I wont be renewing my £5...I paid £5 for the last site but this is far far worse...it even seems quieter on here

Edited 17 June, 2010 by Thedelldays

[NickG]

think it goes down as thanks for trying but seems worse than before in performance, appearance and ease of use.

[Scudamore]

I would say I would score it about 3....with the last format about 9..

 

why the change..? this is a message board not a blog site...you will find that the same 3 or so posters will post blogs...and it will become dull as fuk...this place is losing the feel of what made it so bloody good..

 

the colours in this format are awful, it is slow, and has peed off alot of people who would not normally say..

 

however, I get the impression that the admin team will stick with this regardless now to prove a point..?

I hope the few new features are worth peeing off those who would normally pay up..

 

like I have said, I wont be renewing my £5...I paid £5 for the last site but this is far far worse...it even seems quieter on here

 

1) Of course they'll stick with it. You think Steve's put loads of work into getting this together just to return to the old version?The reasons why it's better obviously outweigh the reasons why it's worse. So you'll just need to get through this.

 

2) It's quiet on here because there's f::ck all to talk about as it's close season.

 

3) You'll renew. You can't get enough of it.

[scotty]

 

 

has he typed any shakespeare yet?

[Wiltshire Saint]

Guys, if it wasn't for Steve, Baj etc. we wouldn't have this forum to spend all our time on! Get off their backs and get behind the forum and the club ffs!

 

Exactly! I see Steve and Boj like Markus and Nicola. Without ML and NC we would have no Saints and without Steve and Boj we would have no forum. People shouldn't question either pair, they are both here to save us and make things good. Everyone should stop their moaning and get behind whoever is helping Saints.....be it through saving us from administration or providing a fantastic, if not a little white, forum. Granted (no pun intended Steve!! LOL) my eyes are hurting, but that's partly from the white and partly from reading so many pointless posts from pointless human beings.

[stevegrant]

Right, I've made some changes on the server (which I foolishly believed were already in place) so most of the content will now be compressed, which should make page loads much quicker

[RonManager]

Right, I've made some changes on the server (which I foolishly believed were already in place) so most of the content will now be compressed, which should make page loads much quicker

 

Bl**dy hell, that's better!!

 

Weirdly I was just a bout to post that i was now waiting up to 10 seconds to change pages!!

 

Well done.

 

[stevegrant]

You'll find that pages you view for the first time (since the server change) will still take a little while to load - one of the JavaScript libraries used by this style is 400kb - but once they've been loaded once, they'll be pretty much instant from then onwards as they'll be cached by your browser. The only thing that will take any time will be content you've not seen and the actual text from posts that is retrieved from the database.

[Saints67]

Hi,

Dunno if this is just me but I rarely go on any other part of the forum other than 'The Saints' bit so how do I just 'jump' to it rather than having to click Quick navigation then scroll down the list and select 'The Saints'. I'm sure I could this in the old stylee set-up. Cheers Steve

[Thedelldays]

1) Of course they'll stick with it. You think Steve's put loads of work into getting this together just to return to the old version?The reasons why it's better obviously outweigh the reasons why it's worse. So you'll just need to get through this.

 

2) It's quiet on here because there's f::ck all to talk about as it's close season.

 

3) You'll renew. You can't get enough of it.

ok..what can this place now do that was simply impossible with the old site..?

[Scudamore]

ok..what can this place now do that was simply impossible with the old site..?

 

Evolution not revolution.

 

The times they are a changing Dulldays.

 

This is progress.

 

If your standing still your moving backwards.

 

And other such b::ll::ks.

 

Still you'll be pleased to see that vBulletin are planning a "Style Generator" on the next release.

 

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/entry.php?2422-vBulletin-4.0.4-Style-Generator

 

By my reckoning this would make changing the styling a sh:tload easier and save my main problem with the site at present. The colour scheme.

[Thedelldays]

Evolution not revolution.

 

The times they are a changing Dulldays.

 

This is progress.

 

If your standing still your moving backwards.

 

And other such b::ll::ks.

 

Still you'll be pleased to see that vBulletin are planning a "Style Generator" on the next release.

 

http://www.vbulletin.com/forum/entry.php?2422-vBulletin-4.0.4-Style-Generator

 

By my reckoning this would make changing the styling a sh:tload easier and save my main problem with the site at present. The colour scheme.

 

thanks for the insult..I was asking a genuine question

 

I guess the answer is..there is nothing this horrid format does really that the other could not have done

[Scudamore]

thanks for the insult..I was asking a genuine question

 

I guess the answer is..there is nothing this horrid format does really that the other could not have done

 

 

Dulldays is an endearing term...don't get all upset. And if you're so sensitive yourself maybe you shouldn't dispense with the relentless criticism of something that someone else has worked pretty hard on for your enjoyment. Your wife may just stab you in the chest over the dinner table one of these days if you're not careful.

 

The improvement as i see it is integration.

 

Bringing all the elements under one banner. Instead of having a website with a forum tacked on we now have full integration of forum with the website. Now admittedly most people are much more interested in the forum than the rest of the site. But that's not the point. It's another step in the evolution of the site. In order to do this we've had to move onto vBulletin Version 4. This is what Version 4 looks like and how it navigates. Obviously the people at vBulletin who make a good living out of the software have decided that this is an improvement on previous versions. For me the forum is much the same except for the colour scheme which as i've mentioned before really doesnt float my boat. It's something i can live with though.

 

Just my opinion though. Obviously Steve and Bajer are the people to really speak to. But i get the feeling they're a bit bored of your unconstructives moaning to reply.

[Thedelldays]

to. But i get the feeling they're a bit bored of your unconstructives moaning to reply.

 

I have said nothing that other posters (paying posters) have not also said...

 

thanks for the remarks though...completely irrelevant but hey ho...if it helps, this will be my last on the matter..enough posters (more than the usual "moaners") have displayed their dislike for this format now...so it cant just be me

Edited 17 June, 2010 by Thedelldays

[dune]

I have said nothing that other posters (paying posters) have not also said...

 

thanks for the remarks though...completely irrelevant but hey ho...if it helps, this will be my last on the matter..enough posters (more than the usual "moaners") have displayed their dislike for this format now...so it cant just be me

 

With respect Dulldays you don't come accross as being very bright. When Steve Grant says that this is not the finnished forum everyone else is prepared to give it time.

[saint lard]

On an upside for me,this is now so much better to access,easier to navigate and posts are more legible via my N900.

Don't have to scroll left and right to see a complete post if it is lengthy.

Via my laptop however, it still looks a tad cack.

[saintjay77]

You'll find that pages you view for the first time (since the server change) will still take a little while to load - one of the JavaScript libraries used by this style is 400kb - but once they've been loaded once, they'll be pretty much instant from then onwards as they'll be cached by your browser. The only thing that will take any time will be content you've not seen and the actual text from posts that is retrieved from the database.

 

Cheers Steve. It does seem quicker although the type is still delayed. Did you see my previous post on the colour scemes? Just wondered if they made sense or not?

[Saint_Donovan]

Please update the servers tapatalk plugin and I'll be a happy bunny again!!!!

[RonManager]

Cheers Steve. It does seem quicker although the type is still delayed. Did you see my previous post on the colour scemes? Just wondered if they made sense or not?

 

After yesterdays server tweak by Steve, page migration really sped up. But today it's back to taking up to 10 seconds to migrate from page to page I'm afraid. I've checked it against other sites and it is the only one taking anywhere near this long.

The typing delay is intermittent now.

[stevegrant]

The typing delay is a strange one, I tried it in loads of different browsers and it seems to be a problem specific to Internet Explorer. I'll have a hunt around to see if anyone's found a fix for it.

 

On the page load speed, there are a few more tweaks that I can do, so I'll try those out a bit later today if I get time.

[SO16_Saint]

any news on tapatalk, Steve?

[RonManager]

The typing delay is a strange one, I tried it in loads of different browsers and it seems to be a problem specific to Internet Explorer. I'll have a hunt around to see if anyone's found a fix for it.

 

On the page load speed, there are a few more tweaks that I can do, so I'll try those out a bit later today if I get time.

 

Cheers Steve. The page loading is a funny one as every now and again it becomes lightening quick but only for a few minutes.

[stevegrant]

any news on tapatalk, Steve?

Judging by what Baj has posted in the "Forum Suggestions" forum, it's fixed, but you have to remove SaintsWeb from your list of favourites and then re-add it.

[trousers]

Judging by what Baj has posted in the "Forum Suggestions" forum, it's fixed, but you have to remove SaintsWeb from your list of favourites and then re-add it.

 

http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?23244-Tapatalk-plugin..&p=761029#post761029

 

Yep, works a treat. Thanks all.

[SO16_Saint]

Brilliant stuff....using tapatalk to reply now!!

[InvictaSaint]

Yay!! Tapatalk is back!! Thanks guys.

[saintjay77]

Any news on the slow type issue? Its driving me Nuts!

[saintds]

can see this cheeky little fella been quite popular

 

 

Where can I find a list of all the new smilies then?

[Big Bad Bob]

Where can I find a list of all the new smilies then?

 

When replying, click on the [Go Advanced] button, list of emoticons on the left

 

I personally like this one

[saintjay77]

When replying, click on the [Go Advanced] button, list of emoticons on the left

 

I personally like this one

 

I get nothing on the left but I can see at the bottom that Smileys are on. Not that I use them much anyway but there we go.

[Big Bad Bob]

I get nothing on the left but I can see at the bottom that Smileys are on. Not that I use them much anyway but there we go.

 

Did I say left?? I of course meant the right, right!!

 

But still you know what I meant, if you can't see them then have you tried changing your editor settings in your Control Panel??

 

Try using the 'Full WYSYWIG' one

[Gorgiesaint]

Any news on the slow type issue? Its driving me Nuts!

 

Yep seems to be worse than ever!! (Got the Ye up from the last sentance before it gave up)

[saintjay77]

Did I say left?? I of course meant the right, right!!

 

But still you know what I meant, if you can't see them then have you tried changing your editor settings in your Control Panel??

 

Try using the 'Full WYSYWIG' one

 

Nothing on the right either but on route to CP to see if that helps.

 

)

[saintjay77]

Aha smileys are now there. Also when in advanced mode my text is coming up instantly which is nice.

 

[saintjay77]

Text seems pretty quick on quick reply now too.

 

Slow text must only be in the standard mode.

[saintds]

Did I say left?? I of course meant the right, right!!

 

But still you know what I meant, if you can't see them then have you tried changing your editor settings in your Control Panel??

 

Try using the 'Full WYSYWIG' one

 

Have a :badger:for your troubles.