ABE's

[dubai_phil]

Down here we are plagued with these obnoxious stereotyped Bstds.

 

The local papers are full of letters from Angry Jocks & Paddies (their own words) saying how Drunken English Hooligans annoy them.

 

When you go out to watch a game they turn round red faced and spitting bile that their team (ie whoever we are playing) were fantastic and that England were sh*t.

 

The Anyone But England brigade hack me off - many of them haven't been to a World Class Tournament for decades, they haven't seen the changes that have come over England's away support thanks to the efforts of banning orders and ticketing policies and are still locked away in some weird "inferiority complex" world of their own. And yet of course they'll be there extolling the virtues of Gareth Barry, Frank Lampard et al while they cheer on their "adopted PL Team".

 

Down here it gets worse when we see our friends from Lebanon with their Lebansese passports wearing German or Italian shirts and face paint and pledging their undying allegiance to their "Team", which miraculaous becomes USA or Algeria or Slovenia in the next two weeks.

 

They hack me off, and no doubt many on here will have had the abusive text messages from ABE's lolling at Green and not beating a bunch of Baseball players.

 

Anyone else finding these w*nkers around while they try and watch the games?

[doubleonothing]

I know what you mean. However I did get a number of txt's from people who are normally ABE's (welsh, Scottish and Irish) who were supporting us last night as they hate the yanks even more than us! Suspect they'll

be Algerian or slovenian over the next 2 games though.

[saints_is_the_south]

I've got a few Scottish mates on facebook who were giving it the large one yesterday. My simple response to them is if they actually got over their inferiority complex over England then they might actually join us at a major tournament one day. C*nts.

[Huffton]

Same here. Had some Welsh dickhead take the **** last night. I just asked him when their first game was, soon shut him up.

[farawaysaint]

TBH England don't really help themselves by claiming every world cup that they should have won if only (insert escuse of the tournament here) hadn't happened.

[RedAndWhite91]

Same here. Had some Welsh dickhead take the **** last night. I just asked him when their first game was, soon shut him up.

 

Had some Welsh dickhead take the **** out of Saints last week. Last night after the England match he went mental at me whilst he was playing my mate at pool, he managed to punch the back of my head, and he got barred from the pub. Result.

 

To be fair he was supporting England last night, but was still a nutter.

Edited 13 June, 2010 by RedAndWhite91

[gonzo]

Remember Andy Murray said he was supporting ABE then changed his tune when he realised he'd lost his English support as a result. Tw*t.

[Thedelldays]

I was is glasgow for parts of the last world cup..

 

I kid you not, it is borderline racism up there

 

one kid in a wheel chair was beaten up for daring to wear an england top in the city center

 

oh, how I laughed when Henry handled the ball against ireland

[alpine_saint]

I was is glasgow for parts of the last world cup..

 

I kid you not, it is borderline racism up there

 

one kid in a wheel chair was beaten up for daring to wear an england top in the city center

 

oh, how I laughed when Henry handled the ball against ireland

 

No, no, it was a capital offence not to feel outrage on their behalf, didnt you know ?

 

I heard the story about the kid in Glasgow; as far as I am concerned we should use the Navy's two new carriers (partly build in Sh*tland) to tow that sh*tty little country away from us to the middle of the Atlantic when they are complete.

[hutch]

I was is glasgow for parts of the last world cup..

 

I kid you not, it is borderline racism up there

 

one kid in a wheel chair was beaten up for daring to wear an england top in the city center

 

oh, how I laughed when Henry handled the ball against ireland

 

 

No, no, it was a capital offence not to feel outrage on their behalf, didnt you know ?

 

I heard the story about the kid in Glasgow; as far as I am concerned we should use the Navy's two new carriers (partly build in Sh*tland) to tow that sh*tty little country away from us to the middle of the Atlantic when they are complete.

A uniquely Scottish trait, apparently.

[SNSUN]

We have an ABE at work, but he's a giant Scottish co ckle, so we ignore him.

[Mao Cap]

Me and some friends were being ABFs in a bar near Piccadilly Circus filled with French fans for their match against Uruguay on Friday, and they were lapping it up and giving as good as they got. All in good fun and never a hint of any real malice. People need to chill, only noobs and ******s get all arsey over internationals even if it is the World Cup.

[Barney Trubble]

I was is glasgow for parts of the last world cup..

 

I kid you not, it is borderline racism up there

 

one kid in a wheel chair was beaten up for daring to wear an england top in the city center

 

oh, how I laughed when Henry handled the ball against ireland

 

It's sad isn't it when you reflect upon it all. I'm sure there are lot's of Jocks that don't mind England but when they get together then the real bigotry reveals it's ugly self - there is a real ferocity in their hatred.

 

A friend was in an hotel in Glasgow last night and text me that the locals were going wild in the hotel bar when the USA scored. I remember too when another mate fell in love with a girl from Aberdeen, he put the England flag up at the last world cup and was threatened with a good kicking unless he took it down.

 

I wonder where this inferiority complex has it's roots....I really do find it sad and embarrassing as I used to always cheer them on.....strange.

[1576]

No, no, it was a capital offence not to feel outrage on their behalf, didnt you know ?

 

I heard the story about the kid in Glasgow; as far as I am concerned we should use the Navy's two new carriers (partly build in Sh*tland) to tow that sh*tty little country away from us to the middle of the Atlantic when they are complete.

 

Portsea?

[alpine_saint]

A uniquely Scottish trait, apparently.

 

Where have I been racist ? I havent inferred that the Scottish are inferior, I just hate them and want them as far away as possible.

[hutch]

Where have I been racist ? I havent inferred that the Scottish are inferior, I just hate them and want them as far away as possible.

You hate them why? Because they're, um .......... Scottish?

 

BTW, to avoid any doubt, I am very firmly in the ABUSA camp. Call me racist if you like.

[alpine_saint]

I hate them because of their pathetic chip on their shoulder which allows them to beat up kids in wheelchairs for wearing an England shirt.

[Nellie]

I wonder where this inferiority complex has it's roots....I really do find it sad and embarrassing as I used to always cheer them on.....strange.

Really?

 

Maybe it has something to do with seven hundred years of giving them a kicking at every opportunity? The same goes for Wales and Ireland; also oppressed in a similar fashion. Some English people don't really like the French, but the Scots do. Why do you think that is?

 

I just hate them and want them as far away as possible.

How the hell would it make any difference to you?

[Under Weststand]

Has to be said there does seem to be a bit more hated towards us now, seems to have come with the nationalistic way that Wales, Scotland have been going in the last 10/20 years. Wales re-introduced their language & the both having their own governments etc. I always used to support the home nations but the way they come across supporting ABE has made me want to hate them back, but when you have mates who are Scottish I just can't hate them would make me as bad as them. I just take the p**s back, because lets face it they always mess up & give us plenty of opportunity. The likes of Andy Murray has compounded it & shown what a bell-end he is.

[sperm_john]

well lets face it, if you live in scotland or wales, your going to walk round a bit ****ed off all the time ...

[JoeShmoe]

I live in Edinburgh and for the most part its just banter. Tiresome but banter. They know their team is ****e and they just don't support the English footy team (same as we wouldnt support Portsmuff). The whole ABE stuff is just their way of trying to add some fizz to the tournament cos they aint in it. Most of the lads I know give it large but its no more than chat. Saying that get a load of em in pub boozing and it can get nasty (but name me a bunch of footy supporters where that doesn't happen)

 

To some degree it must be a pain the arse tho. Imagine turning on your telly and seeing nowt but pompey adverts, pompey on the news and pompey in the middle of every WC game. Thats where they get hacked off

 

A large %age of Scots couldn't give a **** mind. Theyre just enjoying the tourny

[Frank's cousin]

Uhm... I live up in Scotland now and my wife is Scottish... spent 5 years up here in the 90s and really looked forward to moving back as I had a lot of (Scottish) mates back from my University days who all now live close by. What some have described re the Glasgow incident, I would add a couple of things:

 

1. People who do that are not football fans but run of the mill thugs - and lets be fair, we have our own contingent of vile xenophobic fu**wits who often go out to England games and cause their own ignorant and embarrasing sh*testorm

 

2. 99% of it is just banter - but it has become more politicised - mainly growing in the 80s, when Scotland was shat on by Thatcher's experiments etc and this fuelled the SNPs own Zenophobia and other nationalistic ******. It carries on today whenever that knob Salmond can refer to 'London' or 'Westminster' politics rather than talking about the BRITISH Government that includes a fair chunk of Scottish MPs.... he is clever in his propoganda.

 

3. We dont do ourselves any favours either, with our triumphalism and bigotry whether its 'Achtung Surrender' in the Mirror (before getting beat by the German's on Penalties), or the usual tripe about expecting to be better than everybody else - the media hype has a lot to answer for really and it winds many folk up..... like on TV (ITV being the worst culprits) when someone else is playing, they go off on tangents about England and some other ****** that should wait until the match is over at least if not at least when England are actually playing.

 

4. Sure we tend not to see the Scots or Irish as rivals because we assume we are so much better then they are, and therefore our rivalry tends to be focussed on Argentina, Germany etc - teams we seem to think we are ona par with... and there is obviously a natural tendency to be a bit bitter about those who have more success than we do....

 

5. Has to be said: when we finally shut the feck up about '66, and realise that because we won it once nearly 50 years ago, does not mean we should be assuming we are so much better than everyone else - again the media plays a big part in this continual dredging up because we have had feck all success since... the Germans dont on about 54 or even 74 and 90 as for them its all bout today and winnning today... we need to get that attitude as well, that what we did 50 years ago is history and means nothing if we cant do something as good today.

[JoeShmoe]

Uhm... I live up in Scotland now and my wife is Scottish... spent 5 years up here in the 90s and really looked forward to moving back as I had a lot of (Scottish) mates back from my University days who all now live close by. What some have described re the Glasgow incident, I would add a couple of things:

 

1. People who do that are not football fans but run of the mill thugs - and lets be fair, we have our own contingent of vile xenophobic fu**wits who often go out to England games and cause their own ignorant and embarrasing sh*testorm

 

2. 99% of it is just banter - but it has become more politicised - mainly growing in the 80s, when Scotland was shat on by Thatcher's experiments etc and this fuelled the SNPs own Zenophobia and other nationalistic ******. It carries on today whenever that knob Salmond can refer to 'London' or 'Westminster' politics rather than talking about the BRITISH Government that includes a fair chunk of Scottish MPs.... he is clever in his propoganda.

 

3. We dont do ourselves any favours either, with our triumphalism and bigotry whether its 'Achtung Surrender' in the Mirror (before getting beat by the German's on Penalties), or the usual tripe about expecting to be better than everybody else - the media hype has a lot to answer for really and it winds many folk up..... like on TV (ITV being the worst culprits) when someone else is playing, they go off on tangents about England and some other ****** that should wait until the match is over at least if not at least when England are actually playing.

 

4. Sure we tend not to see the Scots or Irish as rivals because we assume we are so much better then they are, and therefore our rivalry tends to be focussed on Argentina, Germany etc - teams we seem to think we are ona par with... and there is obviously a natural tendency to be a bit bitter about those who have more success than we do....

 

5. Has to be said: when we finally shut the feck up about '66, and realise that because we won it once nearly 50 years ago, does not mean we should be assuming we are so much better than everyone else - again the media plays a big part in this continual dredging up because we have had feck all success since... the Germans dont on about 54 or even 74 and 90 as for them its all bout today and winnning today... we need to get that attitude as well, that what we did 50 years ago is history and means nothing if we cant do something as good today.

 

This

 

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has been saying we should stop harping on about 66 (1766 as he calls it). The fact we haven't won ****e for 45 years tells its own story (and looking at the carp weve got out there now you can make that 49)

 

Mind you tell a staunch ABE that you don't think we've got much of a hope but we'll support em anyway is like telling em there's no santa claus :-)

[OttawaSaint]

In fairness those bleating about ABE are probably ABP (anyone but Portsmouth) during the season. ow many cheered Chelsea's cup final goal? Last season Portsmouth = England (a team playing at the big stage, not really bothered about lowly Saints concentrating on trying to beat big teams), Saints = Scotland (not playing with the big boys, trying hard to wind up Portsmouth who don't care as Saints are not on their radar). Saints fans feel agrieved as all the hear is Portsmouths great fans and Cup winners Portsmouth. Saints fans feel Pompey fans are arrogant as they wax lyrical about being with the big boys. I am pretty sure most on here are ABP. So why so mad about ABE when the shoe is on the other foot?

[Thedelldays]

This

 

Mickey Quinn on Talksport has been saying we should stop harping on about 66 (1766 as he calls it). The fact we haven't won ****e for 45 years tells its own story (and looking at the carp weve got out there now you can make that 49)

 

Mind you tell a staunch ABE that you don't think we've got much of a hope but we'll support em anyway is like telling em there's no santa claus :-)

 

to be fair, we do go on loads, probably too much about 66...I remember one time in glasgow an irate celtic fan was getting worked up (during some exchanges of banter) about 1966 and how we keep going on abou it...

 

anyway, when the discussions about football moved onto club level, the said celtic fan could not stop going on about the "lisbon lions".....

 

hmmmmmmmmm

[dubai_phil]

In fairness those bleating about ABE are probably ABP (anyone but Portsmouth) during the season. ow many cheered Chelsea's cup final goal? Last season Portsmouth = England (a team playing at the big stage, not really bothered about lowly Saints concentrating on trying to beat big teams), Saints = Scotland (not playing with the big boys, trying hard to wind up Portsmouth who don't care as Saints are not on their radar). Saints fans feel agrieved as all the hear is Portsmouths great fans and Cup winners Portsmouth. Saints fans feel Pompey fans are arrogant as they wax lyrical about being with the big boys. I am pretty sure most on here are ABP. So why so mad about ABE when the shoe is on the other foot?

 

Perhaps you don't see it how we do in Canada, or even in the UK.

 

What we have here is not just the Colonials - yes, here we have to add the fecking Aussies & Yarpies to the list, but the biggest problem down here are "Nationals of a certain country" who think wearing an Argentina shirt whenever we play and stand up spit in your face insult your Girlfriend or otherwise try and antagonise you into a "1980's English Hooligan Stereotypical" reaction whilst calling their mate in the local CID on speed dial.

 

The ABE's in UK are just a bunch of football wanabees and easily dispatched with a witty or barbed retort. Your ABP comparison is different, no Saints fan would wear the shirt of another team in a pub and then try and deliberately start at best an argument or at worst a pub brawl while watching Poorsmuff v Wigan in a pub like we see down here.

[Psycrow]

As an Irish football supporter I can wholeheartedly say that 99% of Irish people who don't want to see England win simply don't want to put up with the media bull**** it will cause.

 

I wanted England to win on saturday night. I want them to go as far as possible in the tournament. Without Ireland in there it makes it a whole lot more interesting to see the players playing for England that I watch week in and week out (though I know this is somewhat redundant now with the amount of foreigners in the premier league). All my mates that I watched the match with in the pub feel the same way.

 

However I simply can't abide the amount of tripe your tabloid media spouts. The expectation of winning, the hypocrisy of "getting behind the boys" and then ripping apart the culprit that "cost England the Cup" much like the reaction to Green's mistake. Its not the only thing your media does though. Very often (Andy Murray included) the english media will portray a scottish/irish/welsh sportsman/actor/celebrity as english if he's doing well, but as soon as he ****s up he reverts to his other nationality. Take for instance Darren Clarke. Northern Irish and British by birth, but as soon as he is playing badly, losing a Ryder Cup point or putting a foot wrong in his personal life he is "Ireland's Darren Clarke" according to the English media. Its infuriating.

 

Here's a transcript from another example... not a sports man but still http://www.ryanmcbain.com/forums/showthread.php?t=515

[Gorgiesaint]

to be fair, we do go on loads, probably too much about 66...I remember one time in glasgow an irate celtic fan was getting worked up (during some exchanges of banter) about 1966 and how we keep going on abou it...

 

anyway, when the discussions about football moved onto club level, the said celtic fan could not stop going on about the "lisbon lions".....

 

hmmmmmmmmm

 

Exactly - I moved to Edinburgh about 6 years ago. One of the first week's I was up here, one of the local lads had bought 5-6 copies of the Scotman on Sunday paper just because they have out a free DVD of Scotlands 2-1 win at Wembley (which made them the world champions according to most jocks!). I (and all the other English guys in the office) came in to free DVD on our desks! I have to say its mostly good natured banter though - if you're realistic about England then they tend to leave you alone.

 

Did watch the England v USA game in town at the Walkabout and have to say it was packed with about a 50/50 split in support and lots of good natured banter flying about - must confess, I feel happier out an about in Edinburgh than Glasgow but despite that I wouldn't wear a shirt out in town although there were plenty who did.

[dubai_phil]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/7840230/World-Cup-2010-HMV-withdraws-racist-anti-England-posters-from-Scottish-stores.html

 

Lol

 

HMV forced to remove racist products from sale in Scotland.

 

The Worm is slowly turning, the Racially Oppressed monority is starting to fight for their rights....

 

Tee hee

[hamster]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/7840230/World-Cup-2010-HMV-withdraws-racist-anti-England-posters-from-Scottish-stores.html

 

Lol

 

HMV forced to remove racist products from sale in Scotland.

 

I liked the closing sentence:

 

"Scotland failed to reach the finals after a dismal qualifying campaign."

[norwaysaint]

I agree with the sentiments on this thread.

 

That's why I always support our local rivals in any football match.

[Saint_clark]

Just the idea of "Anyone but England" is extremely pathetic and could be viewed as racist.

I might make some t-shirts with "Anyone but Africa" on, and see how long they last.

[norwaysaint]

Yup, Scotland fans should get behind England and Saints fans should get behind Portsmouth.

 

Very silly to hope your local rivals do badly.

[jawillwill]

Just the idea of "Anyone but England" is extremely pathetic and could be viewed as racist.

I might make some t-shirts with "Anyone but Africa" on, and see how long they last.

 

This is a good idea. But why stop at just saying anyone but Africa? I say we should go as far as saying "anyone but the Southern Hemisphere". Or better still, "Nobody except England" although this could easily be misconstrued by the evil anti-english Scottish Hitlers as saying "Nobody accept England", and I think its fair to say that would do us no favours in the world popularity contest. No favours at all!

[Psycrow]

Just the idea of "Anyone but England" is extremely pathetic and could be viewed as racist.

I might make some t-shirts with "Anyone but Africa" on, and see how long they last.

 

That's an excellent point in some ways. It would be seen as racist and you would be castigated for wearing an "Anyone but Africa" tshirt.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world

Look at the MOBO awards... for black artists only. There would be uproar if someone setup MOWO awards.

[skintsaint]

Look at the MOBO awards... for black artists only.

 

Technically not true....

[Psycrow]

Technically not true....

 

whys that?

[Whitey Grandad]

It could be worse. At least we're not French.

[Hatch]

. There would be uproar if someone setup MOWO awards.

 

I bet there is one, just that we have never heard of it because it is shyte and therefore no-one is interested.

[bungle]

whys that?

 

It's for music with black origins.

 

Therefore, you can be of any ethnic background, but if you perform music which has a black origin, then you qualify. I'm sure there is a recent example of this someone can point out.

[Psycrow]

It's for music with black origins.

 

Therefore, you can be of any ethnic background, but if you perform music which has a black origin, then you qualify. I'm sure there is a recent example of this someone can point out.

 

Fair enough, I didn't know that. But can you imagine awards for music with only white origins?

[dubai_phil]

It could be worse. At least we're not French.

 

Or Italian

 

:vuvu:

[dubai_phil]

Sweet.

 

Today is Friday - takeover day historically on here but down here is our Saturday so off to the pub for family brunch.

 

The pub will be full of ABE's, but this morning Oh wow, what a tough choice.

 

What to wear?

 

The England Cricket T-Shirt? The England Rugby T-Shirt? The England Football Polo Shirt? or the Bruce Willis "I love that bit in Armaggeddon when Paris gets Nuked" T-Shirt?

 

Tough call, only have a few days left to antagonise the local masses, HAVE to make the most of it.

 

Hmmm

 

OK have got GF in the kids old England Footie Shirt and I have the Cricket one on just in case there are any Aussies.

 

What a great morning, walloped the Aussies at Rugby & Cricket and watched the French & Italians fly home and....

 

 

AFTER ALL THOSE HOLIDAYS - How lovely to see the Spanish get a dose of what we always get when we go down there - Squeaky Bums

[Psycrow]

Its not the only thing your media does though. Very often (Andy Murray included) the english media will portray a scottish/irish/welsh sportsman/actor/celebrity as english if he's doing well, but as soon as he ****s up he reverts to his other nationality. Take for instance Darren Clarke. Northern Irish and British by birth, but as soon as he is playing badly, losing a Ryder Cup point or putting a foot wrong in his personal life he is "Ireland's Darren Clarke" according to the English media. Its infuriating.

 

Here's a transcript from another example... not a sports man but still http://www.ryanmcbain.com/forums/showthread.php?t=515

 

I see Sky Sports took this to a whole new level this morning....

 

".....after they announced it was time for the prediction of 'British born' Paul the psychic octopus."