John B Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Not sure myself as his confidence must be low. All goalies make mistakes but I felt sorry for him as nobody went to give him encouragement after his error and nobody also seemed to want to make up for his error and score another goal
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 There is no point keeping him in South Africa. I would arrange some sort of 'training incident', and seek to have him flown home and replaced.
dubai_phil Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 The head and heart all scream NO. I wouldn't have picked him in the first place. Then logic kicks in. the tournament lasts one month. Disasters and injuries may happen and suddenly having dumped him to not be even on the bench suddenly we need to bring him back for a Semi-Final with his confidence shot to hell. Tough call, perhaps he should be given one game and then dropped? Personally I'd drop him
markr27 Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Sending him home would be suicide for his career. You have... a) A keeper with perhaps no confidence with a little man on his shoulder saying 'will you catch this?, will you stop that?' in his ear. (Green) b) A keeper that is not match fit, is getting old and prone to at least one gaffe or nervous moment per game. (James) c) A keeper that is on form, played most of the season but is vastly inexperienced. (Hart). To me, Hart would be the No.1 choice, but his lack of experience may hold him back and earn Green another shot (boom boom).
saint_bert Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Seemed to me that even in the second half there were a couple of occasions where Terry didnt feel confident about laying the ball back to Green and rushed a clearence instead. That says to me, that theres no confidence from the CB's for Green so io he has to be dropped.
swannymere Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Keep him, he 'manned up' and took responsibility for his mistake straight after the match and faced the press, that takes alot of courage and shows strong character IMHO.
John B Posted 13 June, 2010 Author Posted 13 June, 2010 Seemed to me that even in the second half there were a couple of occasions where Terry didnt feel confident about laying the ball back to Green and rushed a clearence instead. That says to me, that theres no confidence from the CB's for Green so io he has to be dropped. I must admit I have more confidence in Green than Terry who I think is pretty slow. Apparently the reason Green played was that the back four felt more confident with him
S-Clarke Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Keep him, he 'manned up' and took responsibility for his mistake straight after the match and faced the press, that takes alot of courage and shows strong character IMHO. I think it would have been different if he'd made that mistake in a knockout game though, and we'd lost because of it. I doubt he'd have come out and spoken then. Luckily this result shouldn't mean a great deal once we get maximum points in our next 2. Would i drop him? i don't really know - is there anyone better than him? the 2 keepers that would replace him also carry worries for me (fitness/inexperience). Our GK situation is awful, we literally have no European/international quality keepers at all.
EastleighSoulBoy Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 I must admit I have more confidence in Green than Terry who I think is pretty slow. Apparently the reason Green played was that the back four felt more confident with him So who is picking the team then?
Whitey Grandad Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 He'll be ok. I'd still prefer James though. I think it's a mistake for Capello to wait until only a couple of hours before the game to name the team. There's no time to get in the right frame of mind.
John B Posted 13 June, 2010 Author Posted 13 June, 2010 So who is picking the team then? Cappello of course but one of the factors in his decision to pick green. Hart inexperienced James injured other factors
skintsaint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Hart should play - give him the experiance he needs and let him claim the no1 jersey. Based on last season he was the best keeper out the three taken to SA. Wont get experiance sitting on the bench.
Cestrian Saint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 They should have just picked Hart at the start of the tournament. It's obvious that he's the future England keeper, so why not put him in now? That way he can make the place his own for the next 10-15 years. All this swapping keepers every game is no good for anybody.
Colinjb Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 He must not play the next game. He has hardly had a glittering season anyway so his start v the States was a mystery to me. The mistake there and the resulting effects (conscious or otherwise) just compound the problem. Joe Hart should play with the Skate as experienced backup. His inexperience can be tempered by the fact the next two oponents we'll play are not to the USA's standard.
Smirking_Saint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Yes If you send him home his confidence will plummet.
OldNick Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Green has always been a suspect keeper. Hart looks to have a confidence and arrogance that is what top keepers need. Sky put up a statitic today that Robert Green made more mistakes that led to goals than any other keeper in the league. Always looked on him as a hick, ever since his Norwich days. We cant worry if his confidence goes if he is dropped, it is a chance for the WC and so these things have to be acted upon. I would not have taken SWP or Cole over Walcott but that is utlimately Capellos call and he must live with it.
saintjinksie Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 if Capello picks players on current form and not reputation then surely joe hart would be playing as he has had the best season by far
saints_is_the_south Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Said all last week that Joe Hart should have played. Kept getting the response of "he's not experienced enough". As my mate said this morning, neither David James or Robert Green have played in World Cup before either so the experience excuse is a myth. Hart is the best out of the 3 keepers, I'd play him against Algeria.
gonzo Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Paul Robinson had a good season. Why wasn't he considered for a spot?
Andy_Porter Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Get rid of him, no point in him ever wearing the three lions again. Play David James for the rest of the tournament and then make Hart the number one for the qualifiers.
Saints Warrior Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Green = NO The Skate keeper = NO The other one = maybe One of the fans = YES. Mind you 4 of the out field players should not be in the team anyway...they know who they are....can Heskey qualify to play for Algeria..god they need him
alpine_saint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 There is no point keeping him in South Africa. I would arrange some sort of 'training incident', and seek to have him flown home and replaced. We'd only get permission to replace him if another of our GKs was also ruled out by injury, I reckon. What's KD doing at the moment ?
Under Weststand Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Do we drop him? Everyone makes mistakes, & it never seems to effect Heskey??? removing him may well destroy him like Robinson who is only just coming through it now. But can we afford another costly blunder like that. I think that Capello was in a quandary over his No:-1 & probably will make a change. I'd have to say I'd make a change. Capello will probably go for the experience of James but I'd like to see Hart given the backing as he's been by far the best keeper this season, & can make this his position for many years to come.
Thedelldays Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 IMO Hart should have been No.1.. odd really, Hart - the best keeper in the division yet he was on loan
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 David James should play as experience counts alot in these pressure games.
krissyboy31 Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 I wouldn't have played Green in the first place because I don't rate him. IMO the only international class keeper we have is Joe Hart and although he isn't that experienced at this level, should be number one. Iker Casillas has been playing for Spain since he was 19, a perfect example of if you're good enough, you're old enough!
Saint J 77 Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 To be honest I don't think he should be there. I think Paul Robinson should have been given another chance. I the Capello was being stubborn about "his man" He has made him an England regular and is determined to make it work for him as England's number 1. According to Opta statistics, Green made more errors leading to goals than any other player in the Premier League last season. You'd think that the England manager would look at a statistic like that when choosing his team. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/world_cup_2010/8737289.stm I would Give Joe Hart a game in the next match, but I get the feeling Stubborn Capello will stick with his man Green
Winchester_Saint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 I wouldn't have started with Green anyway, but no I wouldn't drop him - everyone makes mistakes and he has nothing to lose from now on! Only way is up. I think Hart is the best goalie in terms of ability but lacks experience which the Pompey bloke makes up for therefore I'd have picked him, despite his bad taste in clubs
ottery st mary Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Hart straight in and remain as no1 the other two are injured or suspect. Fly Gordon Banks out...even he would have saved the blooooody shot that rollled and bounced . COYWS
anothersaintinsouthsea Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Can those saying that a problem for Hart is that he lacks experience please explain why that puts him behind Green? I always assumed that the "he's inexperienced" line is meant to suggest that he's more susceptible to making errors and yet Green made a massive howler anyway. Hart has innate high confidence and unlike Green has been the main man in international tournament football with the u-21s where he was prominant in getting them to the finals - he scored a penalty in a shootout too.
Nexstar Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 IMO Hart should have been No.1.. odd really, Hart - the best keeper in the division yet he was on loan Well City had Shay Given, who I'd say is the best keeper out of the home nations.
saints_is_the_south Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Well City had Shay Given, who I'd say is the best keeper out of the home nations. Hate to be pedantic but the Republic of Ireland aren't part of the home nations!
bpsaint Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 Get rid of him, no point in him ever w earing the three lions again. Play David James for the rest of the tournament and then make Hart the number one for the qualifiers. This. I know James has made his mistakes in the past but he has been solid for a good few years now. Having him between the sticks would inspire confidence amongst the defence which is what we need in a major tournament. Once the world cup is over though I expect Hart to be made number 1,and remain there for a very long time. I know we all make mistakes,but it's the World Cup finals,and we can't to keep Green in the team knowing there's always going to be that doubt in his mind. Couldn't understand the commentators creaming themselves over the shot he 'tipped' onto the post in the second half. At that angle a decent keeper should have pushed it round the post,and it's sheer luck the ball rebounded onto the post and didn't go in.
SNSUN Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 I've never wanted Robert Green as England keeper - he's far too error prone for his club, let alone for his country. James is my number one, but as he's not fit, I'd play Hart in the next game - I think Hart is the future of England's goalkeepers anyway. Dropping Green will reck his confidence, but if it's best for the team, then Capello simply has to sacrifice the player, but will have to be a good man manager about it. All that said, he won't be dropped - he'll start against Algeria if James isn't fit.
aintforever Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 I think putting Joe Hart in goal now would be a complete disaster, if James is not fit I would stick with Green. In my opinion people underestimate the importance of experience in these games. Green didn't mess up because of lack of talent, it was because he was under the sort of pressure he had never experienced before and lost his concentration. Sticking Hart into that environment would be suicide.
saint_bert Posted 13 June, 2010 Posted 13 June, 2010 IMO Hart should have been No.1.. odd really, Hart - the best keeper in the division yet he was on loan Better than Reina?!
saintwarwick Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 This. I know James has made his mistakes in the past but he has been solid for a good few years now. Having him between the sticks would inspire confidence amongst the defence which is what we need in a major tournament. Once the world cup is over though I expect Hart to be made number 1,and remain there for a very long time. I know we all make mistakes,but it's the World Cup finals,and we can't to keep Green in the team knowing there's always going to be that doubt in his mind. Couldn't understand the commentators creaming themselves over the shot he 'tipped' onto the post in the second half. At that angle a decent keeper should have pushed it round the post,and it's sheer luck the ball rebounded onto the post and didn't go in. Are you for real? Fair enough moan because of the howler he made but to moan because he made a save ffs, I can just see the Algerian message board now moaning at the soft goal thay let in
Marsdinho Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 Should have been Joe Hart from the start. Look at Casillas, he was young and untried and was given the spanish number 1 shirt, same with the german 'keeper Neuer.
Eastcowzer Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 If Green hangs around for a wee he can then fly home with the rest of the misfits, stopping off at Milan to drop off the Italian.
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 If Green hangs around for a wee he can then fly home with the rest of the misfits, stopping off at Milan to drop off the Italian. Why? Does he need to do a drugs test?
Appy Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 Hart should play, the experience argument is a joke, the other 2 are more experienced but Green made a massive error and David James is an accident waiting to happen.
toofarnorth Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 I would have played Hart on Saturday, but now I think he has no choice but to continue with Green.
Junior Mullet Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 Would have played Hart in the first place. Quality player and bang on form. Green is not mentally tough enough to play for England at a world cup. Unfortunately I think because of all the hype about it, I think Capello will have no choice but to play James because he's probably mentally the toughest as a result of his experience.
Whitey Grandad Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 I think we may be in danger of concentrating on the goalkeeper and overlooking the fact that for over an hour the rest of the team were gash.
CB Saint Posted 14 June, 2010 Posted 14 June, 2010 Just how important is this experience thing. All three goalies face world class strikers week in week out. Play Joe Hart and stick by him.
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