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alpine_saint

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Oh God no I hope he doesn't drop Lampard - that would leave Gerrard & Barry in CM and mean he has to pick SWP again on the left if Milner is still unfit.

 

Today showed the dangers of his original selection. 5 CB's and not enough proper midfielders. Two wide men chasing an open game is fine but to play them for 70 minutes - Lampard was dead on his feet at the end trying to cover the gaps left by them. Lennon showed some promise but he has to play Lampard & Barry in CM with Gerrard doing what he did in the qualifiers, coming in from the left

 

Come on, Lampards free-kick into Row ZZ was about as bad as his last two penos.

 

The bloke isnt interested if there isnt a bird to **** afterwards or 100K finding its way into his back pocket.

 

At least Cole and Terry rose to the occasion.

TijuanaTim

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.....and realisation finally hits home for the deluded England fans! Compared to the likes of Italy, Spain, Brazil, Argentina etc, England haven't got enough quality in their squad to be able to be seen as serious contenders. When you look past the better players in the team (Rooney, A.Cole, Lampard, Gerrard), there is no backup, whereas teams like Argentina have quality spilling out of their ears. The likes of Cambiasso didn't even make the WC squad for them ffs!

 

Based on that, England won't get past the 1/4 Finals.

 

 

Wait a tic SM...you said 3-1 England earlier mate...I guess the US did derserve some respect after all huh.

saint_jas

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Oh God no I hope he doesn't drop Lampard - that would leave Gerrard & Barry in CM and mean he has to pick SWP again on the left if Milner is still unfit.

 

Today showed the dangers of his original selection. 5 CB's and not enough proper midfielders. Two wide men chasing an open game is fine but to play them for 70 minutes - Lampard was dead on his feet at the end trying to cover the gaps left by them. Lennon showed some promise but he has to play Lampard & Barry in CM with Gerrard doing what he did in the qualifiers, coming in from the left

 

Nah would have prefered Joe Cole instead of swp. Pace isn't everything, especially as most of the time he lost the ball.

SuperMikey

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Wait a tic SM...you said 3-1 England earlier mate...I guess the US did derserve some respect after all huh.

 

I said 2-1 USA didn't I? :confused:

 

2-1 to USA unfortunately, England will be overconfident after they go ahead early through Rooney, but Donovan and Cherundulo will pull 2 goals back midway through the second half to disappoint the throngs of England fans in the stadium and in the various city centres around the country.

 

Yours,

Mystic Meg

TijuanaTim

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60 years without a win in a competitive match .v. the US and counting. Ouch...in FACT, maybe you say 'never' and counting.

 

Ah, well when we calm down England may marmalize Algie and Slovenly

Pugwash

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Absolute pony! Watched with an unbiased Greek commentary in a bar full of Brits. All agreed Heskey and Lampard were absolute sh1te. Lampard and Gerrard are not team players, which is why the yanks dominated midfield and our back four were doing 40yd passes all the time. Easy to blame Green for the slip up but there were a lot of other players who had worse games.

On this form we'll be lucky to make the last 16.

TijuanaTim

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I said 2-1 USA didn't I? :confused:

 

In FACT, I stand corrected and so should you..."Especially as England have played pretty unconvincingly in their warm-up games against lesser sides, whereas the USA have been really impressive. Not many teams can boast that they've beaten Spain over the last couple of years. I think there will almost certainly be a shock win for USA, 2-0 by HT, 3-1 at FT. "

 

Sorry mush........

SuperMikey

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In FACT, I stand corrected and so should you..."Especially as England have played pretty unconvincingly in their warm-up games against lesser sides, whereas the USA have been really impressive. Not many teams can boast that they've beaten Spain over the last couple of years. I think there will almost certainly be a shock win for USA, 2-0 by HT, 3-1 at FT. "

 

Sorry mush........

 

That's a prediction for USA to beat England 3-1...

alpine_saint

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I had this down as our banana skin group game, so I am reasonably laid back about it.

 

I reckon England will come good, but I reckon Joe Cole should play and Lamapard should be dropped. He has never delivered for England when it counts, just like John Barnes never did either.

hackedoff

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That,s what you get from playing " crab football ".

Can anyone post what Heskey,s goal record is, because it must be dire. How the hell does that bloke still get picked for International football.

dubai_phil

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Come on, Lampards free-kick into Row ZZ was about as bad as his last two penos.

 

The bloke isnt interested if there isnt a bird to **** afterwards or 100K finding its way into his back pocket.

 

At least Cole and Terry rose to the occasion.

 

I wasn't actually defending Lampard, he also had a shocker but at least he didn't lose the ball as much as SWP, what worries me more is what options we have IF he gets dropped.

 

Milner on the left would work, but he clearly wasn't fit so why the hell was he picked - he was slow to the two tackles that led to him getting booked and looked like death when he came off after 20 something minutes leaving us with nothing in midfield except Lampard & Gerrard. Yes Lampard was bad BUT we played that game with 2 in midfield IMHO

 

Oh and Tim - we still thrashed US 1-1 - we had a 15 minute spell when we didn't really threaten but we had them on the rack...

 

TBH Fabio has more questions to answer after that game than I did at HT in the Forum match

Pugwash

Pugwash

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Joe Hart to start next time or even put the Skate in goal. But no more Robert Green please!!! Hash but true ;)

 

Is that why he dropped the ball?

suewhistle

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We were the better team but we weren't good, just a leetle bit better than an average US team. I was sat in an Italian bar saying to a local that England wouldn't win 3-0 (his prediction) and that we would certainly concede a goal. I also gave the bar a lesson in English cursing: I am quite capable of doing it in Italian (and French) but obviously could get away with it more! I see Man City's Wright-Phillips has the same faults as ours used to... As for Heskey; he's big and strong and did a decent layoff to Gerrard but his shot was straight at the keeper - is he really the best we can do for that position? For all the silly talk about Lambert for England I can't help thinking he'd have done better in that situation. And the goalkeeping error I wouldn't expect from the young lass who plays for my team.

 

Che palle. B******s.

EastleighSoulBoy

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60 years without a win in a competitive match .v. the US and counting. Ouch...in FACT, maybe you say 'never' and counting.

 

Ah, well when we calm down England may marmalize Algie and Slovenly

 

Or maybe they'll sense the opportunities to be taken after watching this game?

 

It's just possible we could come home on 24th June with our collective tails between our legs.

dune

dune

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The problem with England is the closed shop mentality where players pick thyemselves ( a nonsense term i use that isn't nonsense to me). I've long opined that with the increase in foreign players in the Prem Engalnd should look at Championship club players with hunger and desire.

dune

dune

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Or maybe they'll sense the opportunities to be taken after watching this game?

 

It's just possible we could come home on 24th June with our collective tails between our legs.

 

We'll play a lot more urgently next time. The conditions ae mild/cool so we can affprd to run about a bit. I reckon the altitude may have made Capelo worry about over exertion, but this is our strength and if you play at pace they have to to.

suewhistle

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or battle into one of the massive tents filled with aggressive locals having mental breakdowns having to support America because they hate us.

 

Hmmm

 

Bloomin 'eck, supporting the US - they hate us that much? Why's that then. I can think of one or two possible reasons but I'm not sure reason counts for much in the Middle East.

dubai_phil

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Bloomin 'eck, supporting the US - they hate us that much? Why's that then. I can think of one or two possible reasons but I'm not sure reason counts for much in the Middle East.

 

Google The Trucial States, Harold Wilson, East of Suez withdrawal.

 

Who created Saudi Arabia by uniting the Tribes? Who drew up all the lines in the Sand that became the borders...

 

The elders are fine, but the kids carry a big chip

benjii

benjii

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Wait a tic SM...you said 3-1 England earlier mate...I guess the US did derserve some respect after all huh.

 

The US were gash and on another day England would have scored three or four.

 

That said, England are not in the top 8 or so countries either so I don't think they will do very well. Slovenia will be a tough final match.

benjii

benjii

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Joe Cole should have been brought on instead of SWP.

 

I cannot believe Capello doesn't start him.

 

He is easily our best current international player, apart from perhaps Ashley Cole. I have will have serious misgivings about Capello if persists with SWP or Milner ahead of Cole.

 

Let's face it folks, we have a much worse squad this year than we did in 98, 02 and 06 and we fecked it up those times. I've said all along that we will go out in the second round.

Arizona

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I cannot believe Capello doesn't start him.

 

He is easily our best current international player, apart from perhaps Ashley Cole. I have will have serious misgivings about Capello if persists with SWP or Milner ahead of Cole.

 

Let's face it folks, we have a much worse squad this year than we did in 98, 02 and 06 and we fecked it up those times. I've said all along that we will go out in the second round.

 

WTF?

 

IN 1998 we had Batty, Anderton and Merson in the squad. In '02 we had Vassell, Keown and Sinclair. Not as good as the options we had on the bench tonight.

benjii

benjii

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WTF?

 

IN 1998 we had Batty, Anderton and Merson in the squad. In '02 we had Vassell, Keown and Sinclair. Not as good as the options we had on the bench tonight.

 

The team was better IMO. I probably should have said "team" rather than "squad". In terms of shape and play as well as make-up. We were let down in '06 by Ericson's over conservatism and Rooney's red card. In '02 and '98 we were bloody unlucky.

 

In any case, Anderton had a good world cup in 98. Keown is better than Carragher or Upson. Sinclair came on against the Argies after someone got injured and played a blinder.

 

Our best option from the becnh didn't come on. Mental.

benjii

benjii

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Anderton was a decent player for England TBF, much though it pains me to say it.

 

I was at the Argentina game in St. Etienne in 98 and he was immense that nght.

 

Thanks +1! I'm sure I remember him being good in '98!

Gorgiesaint

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The team was better IMO. I probably should have said "team" rather than "squad". In terms of shape and play as well as make-up. We were let down in '06 by Ericson's over conservatism and Rooney's red card. In '02 and '98 we were bloody unlucky.

 

In any case, Anderton had a good world cup in 98. Keown is better than Carragher or Upson. Sinclair came on against the Argies after someone got injured and played a blinder.

 

Our best option from the becnh didn't come on. Mental.

 

Yep agreed - still should win the last 2 & hopefully qualify top of group on either goal diff or USA drawing another game. If we can top the group the we still have a decent route to the SF IMO, but need to do a whole lot better. Still the Italians are past masters at drwing group games & getting the final so maybe Fabio knows something. & Remember Argentina in 1990 finished 3rd in the group & got to the final.

 

No one wins the WC in the group stages, only lose it. Slovenia & Algeria are beatable, even by us!!

TijuanaTim

TijuanaTim

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The US were gash and on another day England would have scored three or four.

 

That said, England are not in the top 8 or so countries either so I don't think they will do very well. Slovenia will be a tough final match.

 

 

LOL...who in particular was 'gash' mate (besides Findley)?...er, I know who was for England, where would you like me to start??? Green maybe, Lamps and Milner were effective also huh? What about Hesk...and wasn't 'World Class' Rooney terrific too. King and Carragher, what is the phrase we are so desperately groping for here, that's right 'underwhelmingly moderate'.

 

Like I said even tho' it was a draw, it was still almost a victory for a team over individuals...and, just asking, but did you see Altidore make Carragher (amongst others) his b!tch and come within millimeters of making a 'gash' team humiliate England in the WC once again??

JackFrost

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WTF?

 

IN 1998 we had Batty, Anderton and Merson in the squad. In '02 we had Vassell, Keown and Sinclair. Not as good as the options we had on the bench tonight.

 

difference is they gave a sod

dune

dune

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It's been a few years now but i notice Anderton was mentioned so i'd like to rekindled my passionate hatred for Michael Owen. Short arsed little **** was never good enough for England - Shearer when he played made two of him.

buctootim

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I thought both sides did okay. First matches arealways a bit tentative - both sides desperate not to lose. It really is true that England have the better individuals and the play above themselves as a team. I can see both going through.

benjii

benjii

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LOL...who in particular was 'gash' mate (besides Findley)?...er, I know who was for England, where would you like me to start??? Green maybe, Lamps and Milner were effective also huh? What about Hesk...and wasn't 'World Class' Rooney terrific too. King and Carragher, what is the phrase we are so desperately groping for here, that's right 'underwhelmingly moderate'.

 

Like I said even tho' it was a draw, it was still almost a victory for a team over individuals...and, just asking, but did you see Altidore make Carragher (amongst others) his b!tch and come within millimeters of making a 'gash' team humiliate England in the WC once again??

 

I said the USA were gash. I mean as a team. No one in particular. Just their aggregate effectiveness and team ability. They would be a bottom third Prem team. Pretty gash for a country that's playing in its fifth consecutive World Cup. They were dominated throughout the seond half by a poor England side and only got a point due to a massive individual error. Yes, I saw Altidore's bustling run. Pretty swell, huh, making a b!tch of the UKland's fourth choice centre defenceman? What a stand-up kinda guy. I remember it clearly as it was the only time in the match they managed a decent attack. They defended ok. None of the better teams will be the least bit concerned about playing them though.

 

I realise my opinion on the England team was in a different post to my "gash" verdict on the USandA (yeehaa) but if you've seen that post you'll realise that I am of the opinion that England are also pretty gash, just a fair bit less gash.

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