dubai_phil Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 Should make for interesting viewing. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup-2010/teams/england/7815134/World-Cup-2010-Alan-Smith-says-bounce-of-the-Jabulani-ball-is-sure-to-baffle-all.html Clearly this was the ball used in the Forum Match, which would explain why some of the Away team looked like such lemons trying to control it. But more to the point, WHY do FIFA keep coming up with things that turn a sport based on skill, technique and concentration into a Lottery? Nuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skintsaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 posted this is another thread....but played a game a couple of weeks back, any long goal kicks coming down field it was comical watching it move all over the place...watch a few centre backs getting caught out by it. Although didnt have much trouble controlling it...maybe Alan Smith is just **** these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 I'm as much a fan of football technology as anyone, but has it occurred to anyone at adidas, Nike et al, that players don't want a lightweight ball that pings about the place and "stays round", they want a solid ball that goes thunk and does pretty much what you'd expect it to? The trouble with the ball being "rounder than ever" and "maintaining its shape" is that the rapid re-formation of the natural spheroid and the differing air movement around opposite sides of the ball causes it to veer more in the air (especially as the ball's valve interferes with the "pure sphere" and causes movement as well). Some of the goals at altitude this year could be insane, though I suspect the "thinner air" also means less swerve, if less friction to slow the ball down. Quite looking forward to seeing how our Meon Valley League opposition cope with the 3 Serie A pro-quality balls from 2008/9 I've got us for next season. Probably be like watching table tennis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 Interesting to note that while Julio Cesar calls it "a ball you'd buy in the supermarket", the reporter notes that the ball momentarily bends the wrong way sometimes. Every ball I've ever bought from a supermarket does that - the old plastic black panelled Division One team balls with the team names stencilled on them were great for "bending the wrong way" - if you clipped the right side of the ball right footed and caused it to spin anti-clockwise on it's axis the mental thing would bend to right eventually. I guess this is where we're going to end up with ball technology, 99p balls from the garage - and the only way to make that fair will be "rush goalie". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 I'm as much a fan of football technology as anyone, but has it occurred to anyone at adidas, Nike et al, that players don't want a lightweight ball that pings about the place and "stays round", they want a solid ball that goes thunk and does pretty much what you'd expect it to? The trouble with the ball being "rounder than ever" and "maintaining its shape" is that the rapid re-formation of the natural spheroid and the differing air movement around opposite sides of the ball causes it to veer more in the air (especially as the ball's valve interferes with the "pure sphere" and causes movement as well). Some of the goals at altitude this year could be insane, though I suspect the "thinner air" also means less swerve, if less friction to slow the ball down. Quite looking forward to seeing how our Meon Valley League opposition cope with the 3 Serie A pro-quality balls from 2008/9 I've got us for next season. Probably be like watching table tennis. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 I'm as much a fan of football technology as anyone, but has it occurred to anyone at adidas, Nike et al, that players don't want a lightweight ball that pings about the place and "stays round", they want a solid ball that goes thunk and does pretty much what you'd expect it to? The trouble with the ball being "rounder than ever" and "maintaining its shape" is that the rapid re-formation of the natural spheroid and the differing air movement around opposite sides of the ball causes it to veer more in the air (especially as the ball's valve interferes with the "pure sphere" and causes movement as well). Some of the goals at altitude this year could be insane, though I suspect the "thinner air" also means less swerve, if less friction to slow the ball down. You forgot to mention suface roughness which has a considerable effect on the behaviour of the boundary layer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 10 June, 2010 You forgot to mention suface roughness which has a considerable effect on the behaviour of the boundary layer Not to mention the Approximate Airspeed Velocity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 Too much science. I kick it at the goal and it usually goes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Landrew Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 Interesting to note that while Julio Cesar calls it "a ball you'd buy in the supermarket", the reporter notes that the ball momentarily bends the wrong way sometimes. Every ball I've ever bought from a supermarket does that - the old plastic black panelled Division One team balls with the team names stencilled on them were great for "bending the wrong way" - if you clipped the right side of the ball right footed and caused it to spin anti-clockwise on it's axis the mental thing would bend to right eventually. I guess this is where we're going to end up with ball technology, 99p balls from the garage - and the only way to make that fair will be "rush goalie". Exactly what I picked up on. We can all remember the cheap football that you had for just mucking about with. It used to bend the wrong way, and change direction in mid-air. It was pathetic, and it usually cost about 99p. Fine for playing on a beach, but nowhere else. Anyone who wanted to play a good game of football, left them well alone. If this football has similar characteristics, then a lot of skill is to go unnoticed in this World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 I thought this thread was about the Labour Leadership Contest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 Not to mention the Approximate Airspeed Velocity That is, of course, normally accounted for in the Reynold's number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 10 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 10 June, 2010 That is, of course, normally accounted for in the Reynold's number. Yes, but this year more than any other the African Swallow will have an impact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 Yes, but this year more than any other the African Swallow will have an impact For one African Swallow does not make an impact, nor does one day; and so too one day, or a short time, does not make a man blessed or happy. Or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teamsaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Share Posted 10 June, 2010 A slightly over inflated "wembley trainer" would make for a good world cup. Like kicking a piece of concrete . On the subject of balls, I hope to hear a multi language announcement before every game along the lines of "FIFA have given the match officials permission to use the multiball system today..............." etc. And to consequent looks of bemusement from players and fans from parts of the world not so used to this terrific addition to the modern game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted 11 June, 2010 Share Posted 11 June, 2010 Quite looking forward to seeing how our Meon Valley League opposition cope with the 3 Serie A pro-quality balls from 2008/9 I've got us for next season. I doubt you'll get to find out, as they'll probably all have been hoofed over hedges and lost by the end of pre-season. 8-[ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 11 June, 2010 Share Posted 11 June, 2010 Yes, but this year more than any other the African Swallow will have an impact Is that a type of bird, or a technique? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minty Posted 11 June, 2010 Share Posted 11 June, 2010 Mitre Delta's, and their modern day replacements, have always been the best footballs. You hit them, they stay hit, straight and true (if you can kick straight), or they bend where you want them to (if you can bend a ball). Leave the ball alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 14 June, 2010 Share Posted 14 June, 2010 Heard on the radio this morning that the Bundeliga have been using the new ball since December so all the Germans have got used to it. Why the hell didn't the EPL do this or have they flogged the rights for 30 pieces of silver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 June, 2010 Author Share Posted 14 June, 2010 Is that a type of bird, or a technique? It's either a Yorke Hotel or a Monty Python joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Duckhunter Posted 15 June, 2010 Share Posted 15 June, 2010 Heard on the radio this morning that the Bundeliga have been using the new ball since December so all the Germans have got used to it. Why the hell didn't the EPL do this or have they flogged the rights for 30 pieces of silver. On talksport it was said that the makers of the ball offered it to the Premier League, but they had a commercial agreement to use another ball. Obviously the league needs the money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The9 Posted 15 June, 2010 Share Posted 15 June, 2010 On talksport it was said that the makers of the ball offered it to the Premier League, but they had a commercial agreement to use another ball. Obviously the league needs the money Is it really news to anyone that the Premier League uses a Nike ball, they've been doing it since we were in the division ? There are contracts involved, and anyway, it would benefit pretty much every other country as much as England given the breakdown of player nationalities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 16 June, 2010 Share Posted 16 June, 2010 Why a new ball every World Cup. It's bloody ridiculous. Why not experiment by having players wear football boots made out of blancmange and have rubber goalposts as well? You can shove the 2010 World Cup up your arse FIFA, the football is defensive and crap, the players are neing made to look like pub footballers and the imbeciles with the horns make for a total farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 16 June, 2010 Share Posted 16 June, 2010 Why a new ball every World Cup. It's bloody ridiculous. Why not experiment by having players wear football boots made out of blancmange and have rubber goalposts as well? You can shove the 2010 World Cup up your arse FIFA, the football is defensive and crap, the players are neing made to look like pub footballers and the imbeciles with the horns make for a total farce. I agree 100% (if not more). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2010 Share Posted 16 June, 2010 well...another world class team with real world class players are spooning the ball over if they shoot from anything outside the 6 yard box.. the ball HAS to be a factor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 16 June, 2010 Share Posted 16 June, 2010 Heard on the radio this morning that the Bundeliga have been using the new ball since December so all the Germans have got used to it. Why the hell didn't the EPL do this or have they flogged the rights for 30 pieces of silver. you say the prem has flogged the rights for 30 pieces of silver...but what have FIFA done/do?..you really think FIFA have got this ball in as it has a funky sounding name..? FIFA love to make money more than anyone..blatter and co have just given each head of confederation a £250k gift...why is that you reckon..elections coming round..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Heard on the radio this morning that the Bundeliga have been using the new ball since December so all the Germans have got used to it. Why the hell didn't the EPL do this or have they flogged the rights for 30 pieces of silver. And I bet the Germans have been practising penalties with them, day in day out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB Saint Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 you say the prem has flogged the rights for 30 pieces of silver...but what have FIFA done/do?..you really think FIFA have got this ball in as it has a funky sounding name..? FIFA love to make money more than anyone..blatter and co have just given each head of confederation a £250k gift...why is that you reckon..elections coming round..? You are right about Fifa being greedy barstewards, however it's their train set. Why EPL couldn't have written into the ball contract that before each world cup we will use the match ball for the last six months to give us (and admittedly half the rest of the world) a helping hand. But then I forget, the EPL doesn't give a monkies about the national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank's cousin Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Argentina looked alright with it... The Germans... seems to be the lsides not playing well taht are adding the equation... more likely the altitude is effecting things more in terms of how over hit crosses are etc. As for changing it every world cup... its not like its just been introduced... thes ethings take years to develop and test and then they are made available to ALL countries at the same time. Its then that countries choice how its used when in what leagues etc ... sure there are contracts in place but if you know the next world cup ball is due in 2013 for Brazil 2014, then there is time... its not like its the first time.. Cant believe this is being made out to be such an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Argentina looked alright with it... The Germans... seems to be the lsides not playing well taht are adding the equation... more likely the altitude is effecting things more in terms of how over hit crosses are etc. As for changing it every world cup... its not like its just been introduced... thes ethings take years to develop and test and then they are made available to ALL countries at the same time. Its then that countries choice how its used when in what leagues etc ... sure there are contracts in place but if you know the next world cup ball is due in 2013 for Brazil 2014, then there is time... its not like its the first time.. Cant believe this is being made out to be such an issue Argentina were over-hitting quite a few balls too. There's certainly something different about this World Cup and a lot of 'world-class' players are ballooning free-kicks into the crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 You are right about Fifa being greedy barstewards, however it's their train set. Why EPL couldn't have written into the ball contract that before each world cup we will use the match ball for the last six months to give us (and admittedly half the rest of the world) a helping hand. But then I forget, the EPL doesn't give a monkies about the national team. and the premier league, which is on every single year in the same country...that is its own train set... I would have thought the World Cup being put on would be a chance to show the world, a collection of the greatest players in the greatest competition and give those players every chance of showing off their skills.....call it a celebration of the greatest game in the world.. instead, FIFA show they are no different to every other organisation, in that they could not give a monkeys about anyone else but their own pockets.. remember, if it was not for the players/spectacle, football would never be as big as it is.....start to hamper that.......... It will take something special for this world cup not to be remembered as dull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Remid me again... why do we have a new ball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 Remid me again... why do we have a new ball? because they offered FIFA the most money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitey Grandad Posted 18 June, 2010 Share Posted 18 June, 2010 because they offered FIFA the most money Ok, that's worth ruining a tournament for, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 19 June, 2010 Share Posted 19 June, 2010 And I bet the Germans have been practising penalties with them, day in day out. ooops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miffy Posted 21 June, 2010 Share Posted 21 June, 2010 (edited) because they offered FIFA the most money FIFA has become a complete wh*** selling itself out to sponsorship at every possible opportunity. Sponsor the ball - end up with a crappy supermarket ball which has not improved the quality of games. Has there been a decent free-kick yet? Corporate Hospitality Seats - grounds end up half empty and ticket prices too high for locals Authorised Beer Sponsor - FIFA takes a bunch of hired models to court for 'Ambush Advertising'! Obsession with money = ruined world cup. don't get me started on Vuvuthingys Edited 21 June, 2010 by Miffy typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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