Saints Trust call for talks

[chrisobee]

Post of the day........nay.....week!

 

I am sick of the lack of solidarity between some sections of our fanbase and others.

 

Surely we should be sticking up for those who may struggle to watch Saints this season rather than sniping, mocking and proffering unwanted financial advice?

 

Completely agree, shame on you who can't see a simple point and instead resort to shouting people down on what is a perfectly valid point in that if the Instalment plan was going to be withdrawn it should have been announced much sooner. Really what is so contentious and hard to understand. Never seen such snobbery on this board TBH.

[Smirking_Saint]

Exactly, unfortunately there is half a dozen cyber warriors who get a kick from gobbing off from behind their PC.

 

I include Nick G, Smirking Saint, Matthew Le God, Once Bitterne as well as a few others in this category.

 

Generally people like this have been bullied at school and use the internet to give them a sense of belonging. From he safety of their PC they can happily gob off to people without getting punched in the face.

 

Without sounding like I am posturing for a fight, none of these would have the same opinions in the real world, and certainly would never spout off like they do now in the real world.

 

Let them have their moment though, bless them.

 

Complete sh*te really mate, i cannot speak for the others that you have apparantly 'ousted' however i would happily back my opinions up in real life.

 

But funnily all this comes from one of the most opinionated posters on the site, i mean really you walk around spouting the 'i'm well hard' crap in real life ??

 

The problem is Stu that you have now become so blind to the other arguements and can see only yours, what started off as debate has now turned to anger so please don't label me a cyber warrior whilst sitting behind your PC with all your posturing. I am not posting to be a WUM i am posting opinion and if you want yours to be respected unfortunately you need to respect others.

[Colinjb]

Completely agree, shame on you who can't see a simple point and instead resort to shouting people down on what is a perfectly valid point in that if the Instalment plan was going to be withdrawn it should have been announced much sooner. Really what is so contentious and hard to understand. Never seen such snobbery on this board TBH.

 

It's not snobbery, just two opposing ideals. Spending what you can in one go when you have the full amount, or pay 'on tick.'

 

Different ideals seem right to different people (just like in politics.) That in itself is not wrong, or bad if people hold different viewpoints, but it is wrong if people lose perspective with it. Perspective has certainly been lost here.

[Smirking_Saint]

It's not snobbery, just two opposing ideals. Spending what you can in one go when you have the full amount, or pay 'on tick.'

 

Different ideals seem right to different people (just like in politics.) That in itself is not wrong, or bad if people hold different viewpoints, but it is wrong if people lose perspective with it. Perspective has certainly been lost here.

 

This

[Matthew Le God]

Exactly, unfortunately there is half a dozen cyber warriors who get a kick from gobbing off from behind their PC.

 

I include Nick G, Smirking Saint, Matthew Le God, Once Bitterne as well as a few others in this category.

 

Generally people like this have been bullied at school and use the internet to give them a sense of belonging. From he safety of their PC they can happily gob off to people without getting punched in the face.

 

Without sounding like I am posturing for a fight, none of these would have the same opinions in the real world, and certainly would never spout off like they do now in the real world.

 

Let them have their moment though, bless them.

 

Why have you not included yourself in the list?

 

You do exactly what you accuse Nick G, Smirking Saint, Once Bitterne and myself of.

[John B]

SAINTS BUST would be a great name as they represent the past when they played fiddle to those that got the club BUST. I can confirm that STU is no friend of Saints Trust and has long campaigned for it's closure. Just how many paid up members do they actually claim.

 

55% to bring down the goverment, so how does 1% represent the supporters interests.

 

If you want the club to listen to fans concerns you need an organisation like the Trust if you are happy to let the club do whatever it wants then say so.

 

 

The Trust may not represent the fanbase but it consists of Saints fans who want the club to be fair and succeed

[chrisobee]

It's not snobbery, just two opposing ideals. Spending what you can in one go when you have the full amount, or pay 'on tick.'

 

Different ideals seem right to different people (just like in politics.) That in itself is not wrong, or bad if people hold different viewpoints, but it is wrong if people lose perspective with it. Perspective has certainly been lost here.

 

No, some of the posters ( not necessarily you) clearly adopt an "I'm Ok so why worry about those who aren't " attitude which rates as snobbery in my book. And just to be clear I never have needed to pay by Instalments but that doesn't mean I can't see the point of those for whom it's a great help in supporting the team they love.

[dune]

Nick G, Smirking Saint, Once Bitterne.

 

What a trio.

[Colinjb]

No, some of the posters ( not necessarily you) clearly adopt an "I'm Ok so why worry about those who aren't " attitude which rates as snobbery in my book. And just to be clear I never have needed to pay by Instalments but that doesn't mean I can't see the point of those for whom it's a great help in supporting the team they love.

 

And to those who have had this taken from them I can sympathise, but to go all millitant on the issue is utterly daft. That kind of reaction is bringing out the worst in a lot of people. But hey, i'm just a "cyber c*nt," what do I know!

[chrisobee]

And to those who have had this taken from them I can sympathise, but to go all millitant on the issue is utterly daft. That kind of reaction is bringing out the worst in a lot of people.

 

That I agree with Colin but is that a surprise on here !?

[ottery st mary]

This forum has really become a roughouse lately.......I am going to wade through the sawdust and sit in the corner and sup my babycham and think of the good times ahead..

 

For a moment there ..I was back in the Southerners amongst the salt of the earth..

 

More new signings coming..........For The Trust ... that is...numbers back up to 6 and a half..

 

 

COYRs..

[Colinjb]

That I agree with Colin but is that a surprise on here !?

 

No. Like in all things though, the ones who shout loudest are often very few in number. The 'If you are not with me you are against me' attitude that can be so rediculous.

[chrisobee]

And to those who have had this taken from them I can sympathise, but to go all millitant on the issue is utterly daft. That kind of reaction is bringing out the worst in a lot of people. But hey, i'm just a "cyber c*nt," what do I know!

 

You edited it ! Indeed what do you know aside from many trivial things about Saints that means last I checked you were leading the way on your own "boredom relieving " thread. Just trying to be a smart arse I reckon

[Colinjb]

You edited it ! Indeed what do you know aside from many trivial things about Saints that means last I checked you were leading the way on your own "boredom relieving " thread. Just trying to be a smart arse I reckon

 

Says the guy who started asking ungradable questions thus ruining the whole thing.

 

Anyhow, back on topic?

[chrisobee]

Says the guy who started asking ungradable questions thus ruining the whole thing.

 

Anyhow, back on topic?

 

It relieved the boredom didn't it :smt102

[landford.saint]

Please could someone telle how many members the Trust has, and explain it's make up as I for one don't much about it...... I know N.I. Is happy to give his opinion when the Echo asks. But if I was asked I would be happy to give my opinion. I believe there is a place for some sort of fans group to liase with the Club over issues that has caused some concern amongst the

fans. Is the trust a sizable group to do this? Are they usually representative of the fans?Do people think some kind of representative fans group is deirable?

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[benjii]

I hope Cortese tells them to get stuffed.

 

The prices are reasonable. If you can't afford one, buy a ticket as and when you want to go. If you can't afford to pay up front but want one then use a credit card or some other form of personal finance. The club doesn't owe you a finance package or any other type of installment package. We are not "other clubs" - there are very few in our position.

 

The timing and handling of the announcement could have been better but that alone is hardly reason for an "outcry".

 

In short, shut up please Saints Trust.

[StuRomseySaint]

Why have you not included yourself in the list?

 

You do exactly what you accuse Nick G, Smirking Saint, Once Bitterne and myself of.

 

Do I?

 

I standby 100% everything I said.

 

Once Bitterne is the ultimate in cyber thug. I offered him the chance to get my contact details off Steve Grant, funnily enough he declined.

 

Same goes for you, Nick G or anyone else. If you have so much of an issue with me or what I say, then be the man and sit down and talk about it in the real world, I will bring along all the paperwork etc on the information I have found out.

 

Somehow I don't think you will accept this invitation, and instead will continue sniping from the safety of your PC.

[StuRomseySaint]

Complete sh*te really mate, i cannot speak for the others that you have apparantly 'ousted' however i would happily back my opinions up in real life.

 

But funnily all this comes from one of the most opinionated posters on the site, i mean really you walk around spouting the 'i'm well hard' crap in real life ??

 

The problem is Stu that you have now become so blind to the other arguements and can see only yours, what started off as debate has now turned to anger so please don't label me a cyber warrior whilst sitting behind your PC with all your posturing. I am not posting to be a WUM i am posting opinion and if you want yours to be respected unfortunately you need to respect others.

 

I am not blind to other arguments.

 

People have said it's because of cost - I have proved that to be wrong.

 

People have said it's because not many other clubs have one - I have proved that to be wrong.

 

People say it's because of credit history - I have proved that to be wrong.

 

People have said it's due to defaulters - I have proved that to be wrong.

 

etc etc etc

 

Every argument on the other side I have proven to be wrong, not by *****ing, not by ranting off... but by going away and getting the FACTS.

 

Now the dozen or so people intent on dissagreeing have NO argument other than to say " if you can't afford it, you shouldn't have it "

[StuRomseySaint]

At least everyone is now fully prepared for no installment plan in 2011/12 and beyond.

 

Wrong. They will have an installment plan next season, I am willing to bet money on it.

 

The reasons won't be because it is fan friendly though... it will be because they cannot guarantee success so need to get the season ticket revenue.

[alehouseboys]

The prices are reasonable. If you can't afford one, buy a ticket as and when you want to go. If you can't afford to pay up front but want one then use a credit card or some other form of personal finance. The club doesn't owe you a finance package or any other type of installment package.

 

I'm sure a lot of us would agree but...I put this on another thread,

 

I don't think there would have been so much angst if, in March when everyone was anticipating the 'Early Bird' as usual, the club made a statement saying something simple like...

 

"SFC will no longer be releasing ST prices until June and the club have decided to do away with our now expected instalment plan, please make other arrangements. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause...thank you for your continued support...the future's bright...COYR...and whites....and slashes....etc, etc."

 

Could have cut out 3 months of speculation/confusion.

 

I don't think there's an "outcry" as such (by the majority) just questions being asked as to why couldn't they have simply said all this in March/April?

[HurleyBurley]

Nick hasn't got time to talk to you, he's got a brand new Ugly and it's sweet!

[trousers]

I'm sure a lot of us would agree but...I put this on another thread,

 

I don't think there would have been so much angst if, in March when everyone was anticipating the 'Early Bird' as usual, the club made a statement saying something simple like...

 

"SFC will no longer be releasing ST prices until June and the club have decided to do away with our now expected instalment plan, please make other arrangements. Sorry for any inconvenience this may cause...thank you for your continued support...the future's bright...COYR...and whites....and slashes....etc, etc."

 

Could have cut out 3 months of speculation/confusion.

 

I don't think there's an "outcry" as such (by the majority) just questions being asked as to why couldn't they have simply said all this in March/April?

 

Maybe in March/April they were still intending running an installment scheme, thus no call for a pre-emptive announcement, but the arrangements they were making fell through at the last minute? (the reasons for which aren't clear other than the 'cost' factor which, as we know, is up for debate)

[StuRomseySaint]

Maybe in March/April they were still intending running an installment scheme, thus no call for a pre-emptive announcement, but the arrangements they were making fell through at the last minute? (the reasons for which aren't clear other than the 'cost' factor which, as we know, is up for debate)

 

The cost factor is not up for debate though.

 

There is no cost to the club AND the club have not approached Premium Credit or Zebra Finance.

 

Out of all the debate, the above are two FACTS

[trousers]

The cost factor is not up for debate though.

 

There is no cost to the club AND the club have not approached Premium Credit or Zebra Finance.

 

Out of all the debate, the above are two FACTS

 

Fair dos, but the point of my reply was addressing the query as to why there wasn't a pre-emptive announcement in March/April. For whatever reason, maybe (just maybe) there was still an intention to run a scheme at that point in time. Yes, the reasons for dropping it late in the day may well turn out to be spurious but that doesn't rule out the possibility/probablilty that intent was there in March/April.

 

Who knows.

[Secret Site Agent]

I'd be more than happy for all of us to set up a group and then vote on who we want to speak on our behalf.

The Trust is long dead.

 

Here, Here.

 

There is no trust, I have no faith in an unelected, unaccountable person speaking on MY behalf. I would prefer my own figurehead, from this board.

 

Would I do it?: YES

Should I do it?: NO. I would not put myself in the running as I couldn't give it the attention it deserves, basically because I do a demanding job, (steady now, all you construction types.) but beacuse mostly I don't work in the county, let alone the city.

 

But I will support whoever we chooes

[StuRomseySaint]

Here, Here.

 

There is no trust, I have no faith in an unelected, unaccountable person speaking on MY behalf. I would prefer my own figurehead, from this board.

 

Would I do it?: YES

Should I do it?: NO. I would not put myself in the running as I couldn't give it the attention it deserves, basically because I do a demanding job, (steady now, all you construction types.) but beacuse mostly I don't work in the county, let alone the city.

 

But I will support whoever we chooes

 

See you are on to something there.

 

If there was a fans representative from this board then actually that would work well... I understand that 3,500 people logged in to TSW in the last month. So from that, there is 3,500 active members.

 

Poll functions to ballot members etc as well as group email facility to communicate...

 

Much more representative than Saints Trust will ever be.

 

The problem you have is that there are so many retarded Saints fans that will oppose things just for the hell of it from behind their PC.

 

The installment plan is a great example. Who other than a wind-up merchant of pig-ignorant tosser would actually stand in the way of people trying to get an installment plan re-instated for people less fortunate themselves?

 

I don't believe these people genuinely think " tough sh!t " and if they do they need to have a long hard look at themselves.

Edited 10 June, 2010 by StuRomseySaint

[Channon's Sideburns]

Hell, let's have a Saints Web Forum rep.

 

Personally I have nothing against Illingsworth, never met the bloke, but to be honest, he doesn't speak for me.

 

I joined the Saints Trust when it started, was never asked to renew, so I guess I'm in their totals.

 

The Echo adds weight to the 'Trust' by giving them paper space. THAT needs to be sorted.

[INFLUENCED.COM]

If there was a fans representative from this board then actually that would work well... I understand that 3,500 people logged in to TSW in the last month. So from that, there is 3,500 active members.

 

Hell' date=' let's have a Saints Web Forum rep.[/quote']

 

This board is no less representative than the trust so why not ?

Selecting the representative would be difficult because some do not talk as they type and may simply become a stuttering fool when a mic or camera is put in front of them, it isn't always goin to be a phone call asking them to quote on a topical event, whoever is elected will have their detractors from the off, thats the nature of it.

 

Due to the content of these threads and the reply to articles in the Echo I will assume many people as individuals have contacted the club, would the club dismiss them because they are not associated to any group ? or are they considering their position due to the reaction ?

[once_bitterne]

What a trio.

 

Want to be in our gang Tris?

[StuRomseySaint]

It's different when it's something essential. Many people need a car for work etc., and insurance is part of that. Season tickets have to count as luxury items, it's just something you want, not need. It doesn't stop you going to half the home games over the season anyway.

 

The very fact we have to pay in installments for so many essentials is a pretty good case against doing the same on luxury items.

 

B*llocks you lazy c*nt.

 

You never heard of a bus or a train? Or a bike or your feet?

 

I have a car... it's a luxury item... I don't NEED it.

[Huntingdon]

I'm not going to slag off Illingsworth on a personal level - he's passionate about Saints, so we can all relate to that

 

What annoys me though is his inflated ego and general feelings of self importance

 

Most Saints fans I speak to are embarrassed by him

[once_bitterne]

B*llocks you lazy c*nt.

 

You never heard of a bus or a train? Or a bike or your feet?

 

I have a car... it's a luxury item... I don't NEED it.

 

A car is not a luxury item (well apart from a Rolls Royce....).

 

For by far the majority of people a car is needed to get to work as taking public transport would take hours to complete a 15 minute journey.

 

 

Obviously this is not the case for yourself, living in the 1970s, as you can easily walk or bus it to the factory to do your shift and return home in time to watch Nationwide.

[StuRomseySaint]

This message is hidden because once_bitterne is on your ignore list.

[Give it to Ron]

B*llocks you lazy c*nt.

 

You never heard of a bus or a train? Or a bike or your feet?

 

I have a car... it's a luxury item... I don't NEED it.

 

Have you been on the Blue Star number 4 lately through Baddesley...they don't have conductors anymore they have a financial advisor on how best to pay the fare.

[trousers]

 

B*llocks you lazy c*nt.

 

You never heard of a bus or a train? Or a bike or your feet?

 

I have a car... it's a luxury item... I don't NEED it.

I think what some posters are alluding to is that there are varying degrees of 'need'.

 

I'm pretty sure that if you took away cars for one week and football matches another the country would suffer more with the car embargo than with the football match embargo.

 

Ultimately we only 'need' food, water and shelter but I don't think that's the level that the 'essential vs non-essential' contributers are pitching their argument at.

[trousers]

 

A car is not a luxury item (well apart from a Rolls Royce....).

 

For by far the majority of people a car is needed to get to work as taking public transport would take hours to complete a 15 minute journey.

 

 

Obviously this is not the case for yourself, living in the 1970s, as you can easily walk or bus it to the factory to do your shift and return home in time to watch Nationwide.

...

[Smirking_Saint]

I'd be more than happy for all of us to set up a group and then vote on who we want to speak on our behalf.

The Trust is long dead.

 

I thoroughly agree with this

[Turkish]

I though Jason Mcfeat was chairman of the Saints trust? The echo is now saying it Nick Illingsworth, when we he voted back in and by whom?

[Smirking_Saint]

See you are on to something there.

 

If there was a fans representative from this board then actually that would work well... I understand that 3,500 people logged in to TSW in the last month. So from that, there is 3,500 active members.

 

Poll functions to ballot members etc as well as group email facility to communicate...

 

Much more representative than Saints Trust will ever be.

 

 

This i wholeheartedly agree with.

 

I deleted the last bit of your post because there really was no point writing it and i can't be arsed to get into the arguement again.

 

I am not against the instalment plan, and not against helping saints fans, but i have an opinion on things. Not trolling, not being a WUM and not being snobbish or selfish.

 

Thats the last i am offering on the subject

[Colinjb]

This i wholeheartedly agree with.

 

I deleted the last bit of your post because there really was no point writing it and i can't be arsed to get into the arguement again.

 

I am not against the instalment plan, and not against helping saints fans, but i have an opinion on things. Not trolling, not being a WUM and not being snobbish or selfish.

 

Thats the last i am offering on the subject

 

Agreed. 3,500 logged on last month, on top of that, how many paid members are there on here? Could we be part of the largest independant 'paid membership' Southampton FC fans group?

 

If so, it renders the Saints trust null and void as the voice for the fans, it would be this forum.

[Smirking_Saint]

Agreed. 3,500 logged on last month, on top of that, how many paid members are there on here? Could we be part of the largest independant 'paid membership' Southampton FC fans group?

 

If so, it renders the Saints trust null and void as the voice for the fans, it would be this forum.

 

Exactly,

 

and tbf i would imagine we could run a much better democracy (even though there are a few loons) than that shower manages.

 

IMO NI gets involved in far too many issues and represents absolutely nobody when he spouts his crap.

[stevegrant]

I though Jason Mcfeat was chairman of the Saints trust? The echo is now saying it Nick Illingsworth, when we he voted back in and by whom?

As far as I'm aware, Jason's the vice-chairman.

[StuRomseySaint]

I think what some posters are alluding to is that there are varying degrees of 'need'.

 

I'm pretty sure that if you took away cars for one week and football matches another the country would suffer more with the car embargo than with the football match embargo.

 

Ultimately we only 'need' food, water and shelter but I don't think that's the level that the 'essential vs non-essential' contributers are pitching their argument at.

 

The fact is that people are now only left with the 'if you can't pay for it in full, you can't afford it' argument.

 

Seriously what a bunch of complete retarded mongs we have following our club.

 

Why on earth would some people actively try and obstruct and shout down someone who is trying to get the club to reconsider it's decision to remove an installment plan?

 

Why would you not want as many fellow Saints fans as possible in the ground as possible? There is about a dozen or so posters which are obsessed with disagreeing with it, for a number of reasons... one because they want to have a pop at me and another reason because they want to let everyone know that they had the money to pay up front. *clap clap*

 

I go back to, once again, the last game of the season.

 

The whole of the second half the vast majority of the Saints fans started chanting "On the pitch, on the pitch, on the pitch" , at one point the whole stadium was drowning out the PA announcements regarding pitch invasions, many people had made their way to the front of the stand with the intention of getting on to the pitch... chants of " On the pitch, on the pitch " where ringing round the stadium...

 

... then, in almost an instant, people changed the words and were chanting w@nkers and 'off,off,off' as a few dozen fans made their way on to the pitch... I could not believe it, looking on the Southend forums, they were absolutely wetting themselves at how stupid and fickle our support was.

 

A number of people on here ( including yourself ) seem to have no other agenda than disagreeing. Football used to be about being as one, looking out for each other, the fact that some of you are genuinely trying to discredit efforts to make the club reinstate an installment plan that will allow hundreds, if not thousands of extra fans get Season tickets for next season shows just what an embarrasing support we have.

 

I don't expect all/any of you who have season tickets to be that bothered about the installment plans if you don't rely on it and are lucky enough to have the funds to pay upfront... but wouldn't expect any Saints fan actively oppose other Saints fans having a facility to allow them to go to every game next season.

 

I have backed everything up with figures, it won't affect you... so why get involved? Some of you have posted upwards of 50 posts in direct opposition to having an installment plan, even though I have proven that it will not cost the club any money to have the installments.

 

The only reason I can think some of you will go to such an effort is because you are complete and utter c*nts. So for the trolls, feel free to PM me, even feel free to come and argue your point to my face... ( I doubt any of you will, not because you are scared, but because you don't actually feel like that in the real world ) but I will leave the installment plan subject alone now until I hear back from the club.

[Turkish]

As far as I'm aware, Jason's the vice-chairman.

 

I stand corrected Mr Grant indeed he is. I particularly enjoyed the quote in the article 'the saints trust-who have about 1,000 members of their co-operative, though not all of them are current members'- lol!!! I make that 998 who are not current members then, with only Nick and mr Mcfeat as current.

[shurlock]

Illingsworth and other washed up muppets from the Saints Trust have demonstrated quite literally they cannot organise a ****-up in a brewery.

 

Sour grapes that they have been sidelined and they've had their trough snatched away. and the cr*p on here from usual suspects preaching fan unity - is unilaterally going over our heads on account of some dubious grassroots legitimacy any way to treat the rest of us who might happen to disagree but at least are respectful enough not to put words in other fans mouths.

[Turkish]

The fact is that people are now only left with the 'if you can't pay for it in full, you can't afford it' argument.

 

Seriously what a bunch of complete retarded mongs we have following our club.

 

Why on earth would some people actively try and obstruct and shout down someone who is trying to get the club to reconsider it's decision to remove an installment plan?

 

Why would you not want as many fellow Saints fans as possible in the ground as possible? There is about a dozen or so posters which are obsessed with disagreeing with it, for a number of reasons... one because they want to have a pop at me and another reason because they want to let everyone know that they had the money to pay up front. *clap clap*

 

I go back to, once again, the last game of the season.

 

The whole of the second half the vast majority of the Saints fans started chanting "On the pitch, on the pitch, on the pitch" , at one point the whole stadium was drowning out the PA announcements regarding pitch invasions, many people had made their way to the front of the stand with the intention of getting on to the pitch... chants of " On the pitch, on the pitch " where ringing round the stadium...

 

... then, in almost an instant, people changed the words and were chanting w@nkers and 'off,off,off' as a few dozen fans made their way on to the pitch... I could not believe it, looking on the Southend forums, they were absolutely wetting themselves at how stupid and fickle our support was.

 

A number of people on here ( including yourself ) seem to have no other agenda than disagreeing. Football used to be about being as one, looking out for each other, the fact that some of you are genuinely trying to discredit efforts to make the club reinstate an installment plan that will allow hundreds, if not thousands of extra fans get Season tickets for next season shows just what an embarrasing support we have.

 

I don't expect all/any of you who have season tickets to be that bothered about the installment plans if you don't rely on it and are lucky enough to have the funds to pay upfront... but wouldn't expect any Saints fan actively oppose other Saints fans having a facility to allow them to go to every game next season.

 

I have backed everything up with figures, it won't affect you... so why get involved? Some of you have posted upwards of 50 posts in direct opposition to having an installment plan, even though I have proven that it will not cost the club any money to have the installments.

 

The only reason I can think some of you will go to such an effort is because you are complete and utter c*nts. So for the trolls, feel free to PM me, even feel free to come and argue your point to my face... ( I doubt any of you will, not because you are scared, but because you don't actually feel like that in the real world ) but I will leave the installment plan subject alone now until I hear back from the club.

 

Do you ever do any work? If you spent a bit more time selling stuff, which i believe is your job, instead of arsing about on here and collecting data on championship seasonticket prices then you might not have to worry so much about installment plans. :yawinkle:

[stevegrant]

I stand corrected Mr Grant indeed he is. I particularly enjoyed the quote in the article 'the saints trust-who have about 1,000 members of their co-operative, though not all of them are current members'- lol!!! I make that 998 who are not current members then, with only Nick and mr Mcfeat as current.

Did it genuinely say that?! F'king hell...

[shurlock]

I have backed everything up with figures, it won't affect you... so why get involved? Some of you have posted upwards of 50 posts in direct opposition to having an installment plan, even though I have proven that it will not cost the club any money to have the installments.

 

QUOTE]

 

Can you give me the telephone number to Zebra Loans as you've actually spoken to them. Want to do the same.

[shurlock]

The fact is that people are now only left with the 'if you can't pay for it in full, you can't afford it' argument.

 

Seriously what a bunch of complete retarded mongs we have following our club.

 

Why on earth would some people actively try and obstruct and shout down someone who is trying to get the club to reconsider it's decision to remove an installment plan?

 

Why would you not want as many fellow Saints fans as possible in the ground as possible? There is about a dozen or so posters which are obsessed with disagreeing with it, for a number of reasons... one because they want to have a pop at me and another reason because they want to let everyone know that they had the money to pay up front. *clap clap*

 

I go back to, once again, the last game of the season.

 

The whole of the second half the vast majority of the Saints fans started chanting "On the pitch, on the pitch, on the pitch" , at one point the whole stadium was drowning out the PA announcements regarding pitch invasions, many people had made their way to the front of the stand with the intention of getting on to the pitch... chants of " On the pitch, on the pitch " where ringing round the stadium...

 

... then, in almost an instant, people changed the words and were chanting w@nkers and 'off,off,off' as a few dozen fans made their way on to the pitch... I could not believe it, looking on the Southend forums, they were absolutely wetting themselves at how stupid and fickle our support was.

 

A number of people on here ( including yourself ) seem to have no other agenda than disagreeing. Football used to be about being as one, looking out for each other, the fact that some of you are genuinely trying to discredit efforts to make the club reinstate an installment plan that will allow hundreds, if not thousands of extra fans get Season tickets for next season shows just what an embarrasing support we have.

 

I don't expect all/any of you who have season tickets to be that bothered about the installment plans if you don't rely on it and are lucky enough to have the funds to pay upfront... but wouldn't expect any Saints fan actively oppose other Saints fans having a facility to allow them to go to every game next season.

 

I have backed everything up with figures, it won't affect you... so why get involved? Some of you have posted upwards of 50 posts in direct opposition to having an installment plan, even though I have proven that it will not cost the club any money to have the installments.

 

The only reason I can think some of you will go to such an effort is because you are complete and utter c*nts. So for the trolls, feel free to PM me, even feel free to come and argue your point to my face... ( I doubt any of you will, not because you are scared, but because you don't actually feel like that in the real world ) but I will leave the installment plan subject alone now until I hear back from the club.

 

Can you give me the telephone number to Zebra Loans as you've actually spoken to them. Want to do the same.