Charlie Wayman Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 The Saints Trust has called for a meeting with chairman Nicola Cortese over the club's controversial new season ticket announcement. Trust chairman Nick Illingsworth gave the Echo a statement reading: "Perhaps the reason why there has been so much outcry in the past week is not just because of the removal of the repayment plan, but by the way this announcement has been delivered. It's been a bit like dumping your girlfriend by text". ..................................."To coin a phrase, when there is a storm the captain of the ship should be on the bridge and in charge. But where is Cortese?".......................... Much more to the statement in todays Echo. Ridiculous fuss about EFF all as usual! Let Cortese get on and manage the club the way he wants. Fans have two choices as always, accept their outcomes or sod off to support another club. This is not about loyalty or principle it's about interference. If fans want a surefire way of ****ing off Cortese it'll be by constant Effing nitpicking at every thing he seeks to do. Then we'll end up back at square one or is that what sh*t-stirrers like Illingworth wants, you do wonder sometimes? As I said if people don't like the way Cortese runs the show then they can Eff off. Illingworth & Co certainly don't speak for me!
Joensuu Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 What's the problem anyway? Get a bank loan, get a credit card, or if you really can't afford it, don't buy one! There are plenty of things I want and can't afford. This
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 **** off Illingsworth. You do not speak for any official body as the Saints Trust has no members so the Saints Trust is nothing but a made up name. I can't believe I agree with Dune about something.
trousers Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 What a Tw*t of a remark I sincerely hope that you want but can't afford a ST The LAST thing anyone should do if they are short of money is to take out a Credit Card That is the philosophy which has made the UK a Third World Country, with massive debts:cool: "Credit" isn't a problem per se. The problem comes when it is abused. Tarring everyone with the same brush isn't an accurate assessment of credit facilities. Some of us use credit facilities wisely.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Ridiculous fuss about EFF all as usual! Let Cortese get on and manage the club the way he wants. Fans have two choices as always, accept their outcomes or sod off to support another club. This is not about loyalty or principle it's about interference. If fans want a surefire way of ****ing off Cortese it'll be by constant Effing nitpicking at every thing he seeks to do. Then we'll end up back at square one or is that what sh*t-stirrers like Illingworth wants, you do wonder sometimes? As I said if people don't like the way Cortese runs the show then they can Eff off. Illingworth & Co certainly don't speak for me! Having a facility removed, deliberately at short notice meaning hundreds, if not thousands of people cannot get a season ticket that they and their children/family have had for years is not f*ck all though is it? It might not affect you, congratulations, I am happy for you. It does affect alot of SOUTHAMPTON FANS, Cortese can do pretty much whatever the f*ck he wants as far as I am concerned, but I will kick off if I feel he is directly ripping me off.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Why don't you take Danny up on his offer and you can be the "Voice of the People". I don't think any Saints fan should be the "voice of the people", unless democratically elected from a large proportion of the fanbase. Yes, Nick is entitled to his views and if he has a problem with the ticketing he should contact the club privately. Not gain press attention claiming the Saints Trust is something it isn't - the voice of large numbers of Saints fans. I'm guessing you are in the Saints Trust? Can you or Nick answer the 8 questions I have laid out in this thread? 1) How many "active" members does the Saints trust claim to have? 2) How many elected officials does the Saints Trust have? 3) What makes them think they are the "voice of the fans" and are of significant importance to demand a meeting with Cortese? 4) Why does the Daily Echo persist in giving them an outlet to express their views and use them as a focal point for entire stories? 5 Does the Saints trust have a democratically elected leader/spokesperson? 6 How many people voted? 7 Who were the candidates in the election? 8 When did they vote? day/month/year
Give it to Ron Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 I don't think any Saints fan should be the "voice of the people", unless democratically elected from a large proportion of the fanbase. Yes, Nick is entitled to his views and if he has a problem with the ticketing he should contact the club privately. Not gain press attention claiming the Saints Trust is something it isn't - the voice of large numbers of Saints fans. I'm guessing you are in the Saints Trust? Can you or Nick answer the 8 questions I have laid out in this thread? 1) How many "active" members does the Saints trust claim to have? 2) How many elected officials does the Saints Trust have? 3) What makes them think they are the "voice of the fans" and are of significant importance to demand a meeting with Cortese? 4) Why does the Daily Echo persist in giving them an outlet to express their views and use them as a focal point for entire stories? 5 Does the Saints trust have a democratically elected leader/spokesperson? 6 How many people voted? 7 Who were the candidates in the election? 8 When did they vote? day/month/year I refer you to post #10 on this thread. http://www.theuglyinside.net Contact him on there and discuss it. I am not a member of any fans group and never will be. I have always dealt with any small problems I have direct with the club but understand that sometimes strength in numbers can work. If you can get past all the internal fighting and people that stand on the sidelines just having a pop. Just for info I have known Nick for over 40+ years and don't agree on many things with Saints he posts or says but get p1ssed off with people that hide away on here and don't have the guts to say it to him personally.
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 What a Tw*t of a remark I sincerely hope that you want but can't afford a ST The LAST thing anyone should do if they are short of money is to take out a Credit Card That is the philosophy which has made the UK a Third World Country, with massive debts:cool: lol, but they should still buy a ST ?? Hypocrisy at it's finest
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 I refer you to post #10 on this thread. http://www.theuglyinside.net What post 10? That is just a link to the homepage? Why is it referred to as the Saints Trust when it is clearly a Saints fan called Nick a few of mates? I think I'm going to start a fans group... "MLG's People's Front of Saints"
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 The LAST thing anyone should do if they are short of money is to take out a Credit Card No, the last thing people that are short of money should do is fork out hundreds of pounds on luxury items like season tickets for football clubs. Instead they should use that money to deal with improving their financial problems and instead of going to all 23 home games ration it out over a season and maybe goto 5 games for example. If you can't afford to pay upfront, then a season ticket isn't in your long term best interest. Learn to save!
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 lol, but they should still buy a ST ?? Hypocrisy at it's finest So now you are comparing having a Season Ticket to having a Credit Card? Answer me this question: What is your obsession with trying to shout down Saints fans trying to get a better deal for other Saints fans? Same question to all the others that stick up for Cortese and the removal of the payment plan. Why can you just not let the people affected get on with their complaints and trying to get something done about it, rather than commenting on every post about it? Would your opinion be the same in the pub talking to your mates / people affected and unable to renew? I doubt it.
stevegrant Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 If you can't afford to pay upfront, then a season ticket isn't in your long term best interest. Learn to save! Who are you to comment on other peoples' financial situations? Seriously, who the **** do you think you are?
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 (edited) So now you are comparing having a Season Ticket to having a Credit Card? Answer me this question: What is your obsession with trying to shout down Saints fans trying to get a better deal for other Saints fans? I am not doing that at all. And i still stick with my fact that the MAJORITY are not bothered Same question to all the others that stick up for Cortese and the removal of the payment plan. I am not sticking up for cortese, just this is being made out to be more than it is. Why can you just not let the people affected get on with their complaints and trying to get something done about it, rather than commenting on every post about it? Because it is tedious and the points being made on the whole are nonsense. Would your opinion be the same in the pub talking to your mates / people affected and unable to renew? I doubt it. Yes i would Answer me a question, and it is not about personal finances etc, i couldn't give a toss about that, but if you can't afford something surely you can't justify its purchase ? Edited 10 June, 2010 by Smirking_Saint
dune Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 I'm more bothered about the £3 rip off booking fee, but clearly Illingsworth and his mates aren't.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 (edited) Seriously, who the **** do you think you are? Someone that knows luxury items like season tickets for football clubs shouldn't be a priority if you have pressing money problems and buying one will only exacerbate the issues you have. I'm going to renew my season ticket shortly, but unlike some, I have been putting money aside over the last year ready to pay for it. It is really not hard to plan for. Yes, you may need to sacrifice other things in order to pay for it, but you need to prioritise. Edited 10 June, 2010 by Matthew Le God
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Answer me a question, and it is not about personal finances etc, i couldn't give a toss about that, but if you can't afford something surely you can't justify its purchase ? How about you answer my questions first... then I will come back to your question.
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 How about you answer my questions first... then I will come back to your question. I have
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 I have It is being made out to be more of an issue than it is? It's not an issue for you because it does not affect you... for the people that it does affect, it's a MASSIVE issue, are you too pig ignorant to not notice this? Are you showing off? And you are commenting on status's because you think they are tedious? How retarded is that? Seriously. The majority might not be that bothered... correct, there is still a vocal minority that are though, and I don't understand why people such as yourself would go to so much effort to shout down those that need the installment plan apart from being a complete and utter c*nt, as whether there is an installment plan or not does not affect you in any way.
dune Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Someone that knows luxury items like season tickets for football clubs shouldn't be a priority if you have pressing money problems and buying one will only exacerbate the issues you have. I'm going to renew my season ticket shortly, but unlike some, I have been putting money aside over the last year ready to pay for it. It is really not hard to plan for. You're a knob. Others would have put money aside if they'd been given notice that the long running installment scheme was to be stopped.
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 What's the problem anyway? Get a bank loan, get a credit card, or if you really can't afford it, don't buy one! There are plenty of things I want and can't afford. +1. If you can't afford it, don't get it. It's what I had to do until last Xmas.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 +1. If you can't afford it, don't get it. It's what I had to do until last Xmas. Have you ever paid for your Car Insurance on installments?
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Have you ever paid for your Car Insurance on installments? No, I saved up for it then spent the money in one go. Saved a bit doing it that way too.
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You're a knob. Others would have put money aside if they'd been given notice that the long running installment scheme was to be stopped. If you are "that" close to the limits of your bank account, a luxury item like a season ticket shouldn't be a priority - installment plan or not! You don't HAVE to goto every game. Just ration yourself with for example 8 home games per season until you are in the position to be able to afford the luxury of 23 games so it doesn't effect your financial health.
dune Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 If you are "that" close to the limits of your bank account, a luxury item like a season ticket shouldn't be a priority - installment plan or not! You don't HAVE to goto every game. Just ration yourself until you are in the position to be able to afford the luxury of 23 games so it doesn't effect your financial health. You're still a knob.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 No, I saved up for it then spent the money in one go. Saved a bit doing it that way too. Course you did. Knew I would get the answer off you and I guess I have no way of proving otherwise. So from what you are saying, anyone who pays for their car insurance by monthly premiums, shouldn't get a car, as they can't afford it? That is exactly what you are saying.
stevegrant Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Someone that knows luxury items like season tickets for football clubs shouldn't be a priority if you have pressing money problems and buying one will only exacerbate the issues you have. I'd be careful with the "you" usage, really... I'm going to renew my season ticket shortly, but unlike some, I have been putting money aside over the last year ready to pay for it. It is really not hard to plan for. Are you too thick or ignorant or just on a plain windup (my most likely belief at the moment, given your particularly irritating and patronising smiley faces at the end of every single post) to realise that many people will have budgeted sensibly, perhaps even for the entire year, on the belief that a payment plan was going to be available for the months of, say, May through to November? It isn't even a case of people "not being able to afford it". I know people who are fairly well-off by most people's standards, and had budgeted for £200 per month over 4 months during the summer/autumn to pay for their two season tickets, as it's more convenient to them, and it allowed them to have a family holiday. Maybe the saying "assumption is the mother of all ****ups" rings true here, but having had a payment plan in place every year for as long as anyone can remember, it was perfectly reasonable planning to assume there was going to be a continuation of the scheme which allowed them a bit of money left over to spend on something else.
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 (edited) Course you did. Knew I would get the answer off you and I guess I have no way of proving otherwise. So from what you are saying, anyone who pays for their car insurance by monthly premiums, shouldn't get a car, as they can't afford it? That is exactly what you are saying. I am saying if you need to bust your arse so much to afford something for a leisure activity that you need to pay it in installments, you really need to review your priorities. I respect your frustrations, but seriously believe you've lost perspective. (And incidentally, I really did have to save up, saving £1,500 to insure a 1.5 Diesel metro was a *****, but utterly worth it. Everything else I earnt that year could then be used elsewhere.) Edited 10 June, 2010 by Colinjb
Al de Man Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Perry McMillan, of the Southampton Independent Supporters Association http://www.hampshirechronicle.co.uk/sport/sotonsport/8184847.Lower_ticket_prices__would_pack_out_St_Mary_s____claim/ So it's a completely different person and the article happens to quote them them but isn't based on their quote?
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Course you did. Knew I would get the answer off you and I guess I have no way of proving otherwise. So from what you are saying, anyone who pays for their car insurance by monthly premiums, shouldn't get a car, as they can't afford it? That is exactly what you are saying. You can't compare the two! - A car for most is required in every day life. - A season ticket for a football club is a luxury item and is not "needed" especially if you aren't in a healthy financial position. Just goto fewer games, you don't HAVE to goto all 23.
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 (edited) It is being made out to be more of an issue than it is? It's not an issue for you because it does not affect you... for the people that it does affect, it's a MASSIVE issue, are you too pig ignorant to not notice this? Are you showing off? And you are commenting on status's because you think they are tedious? How retarded is that? Seriously. The majority might not be that bothered... correct, there is still a vocal minority that are though, and I don't understand why people such as yourself would go to so much effort to shout down those that need the installment plan apart from being a complete and utter c*nt, as whether there is an installment plan or not does not affect you in any way. F*ck off Stueey, If we are going to start biting about it and getting all f*cking arsey, as far as i am concerend it was an arguement that we were both debating but clearly your head is too far inside your own ars* to see both sides of the problem and so you are actually unable to make a reasoned and well thought out arguement. You moan about NI being the voice of sod all then come on here preaching that you are the voice of the payment plan minority however cannot actually pose a decent counter arguement. You are also doing exactly what you are p*ssing and moaning about which is shouting down any other poster with an opinion other than yours. Secondly you have no idea whether or not the instalment plan affects me or not FFS, you have no idea of my finances either. The fact of the matter is in life, if you cannot afford something you cannot purchase it. And that is what it is. I did have a modicum of respect for you before and thought fair play for the fact that you went away and did some research but your pure blindness towards any counter arguement or indeed the other sides of the problem pretty much negates any opinion and arguement that you made. Edited 10 June, 2010 by Smirking_Saint Got a bit carried away
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 I am saying if you need to bust your arse so much to afford something for a leisure activity that you need to pay it in installments, you really need to review your priorities. I respect your frustrations, but seriously believe you've lost perspective. Answer the question. Are you saying that if people pay their by insurance premiums by installments, then they shouldn't have a car because they can't afford one. Come on... they are one and the same. If someone has been paying on installments for the last several years, every other similar club in the country runs one and they set aside £70 a month, then they can afford it. What is so hard to understand about that?
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Answer the question. Are you saying that if people pay their by insurance premiums by installments, then they shouldn't have a car because they can't afford one. Come on... they are one and the same. If someone has been paying on installments for the last several years, every other similar club in the country runs one and they set aside £70 a month, then they can afford it. What is so hard to understand about that? Answer me this, is a season ticket necessary to your life/business activities? If yes, then the comparison is valid. Otherwise, it is not, is that so hard to understand? Get a grip.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You can't compare the two! - A car for most is required in every day life. - A season ticket for a football club is a luxury item and is not "needed" especially if you aren't in a healthy financial position. Just goto fewer games, you don't HAVE to goto all 23. A car is a luxury item you lazy c*nt. Never heard of buses, trains, feet?
dune Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Secondly you have no idea whether or not the instalment plan affects me or not FFS, you have no idea of my finances either. The fact of the matter is in life, if you cannot afford something you cannot purchase it. And that is what it is. You and some of the others are unfortunately now coming across as spoilt brats and are in serious need of picking up your toys. You come accross as a jumped up teenager smugsaint. Are you really so dense that you can't see that the problem isn't the withdrawal of the scheme, it's the way it's been withdrawn with no notice.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Answer me this, is a season ticket necessary to your life/business activities? If yes, then the comparison is valid. Otherwise, get a grip. Don't answer a question with a question. ( you are a student aren't you? Studying politics by any chance? )
trousers Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You can't compare the two! - A car for most is required in every day life. - A season ticket for a football club is a luxury item and is not "needed" especially if you aren't in a healthy financial position. Just goto fewer games, you don't HAVE to goto all 23. I tend to agree with your 'luxuries vs essentials' sentiment, but also accept the criticism of others in that telling people how they should spend their money, no matter how well meaning, can be seen as 'lecturing'
Block 5 Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Who are you to comment on other peoples' financial situations? Seriously, who the **** do you think you are? Post of the day........nay.....week! I am sick of the lack of solidarity between some sections of our fanbase and others. Surely we should be sticking up for those who may struggle to watch Saints this season rather than sniping, mocking and proffering unwanted financial advice?
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Don't answer a question with a question. ( you are a student aren't you? Studying politics by any chance? ) No, I am a consultant engineer. I'm going to stop now, as you are quite clearly fixated on this issue beyond reason. If you really need a payment plan THAT badly, for something that is a luxury item, for leisure purposes, then my word, I pity you. Cut your cloth accordingly for a year... like many of us have HAD to do before even considering getting a season ticket and then, only then, buy one in.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Post of the day........nay.....week! I am sick of the lack of solidarity between some sections of our fanbase and others. Surely we should be sticking up for those who may struggle to watch Saints this season rather than sniping, mocking and proffering unwanted financial advice? Exactly, unfortunately there is half a dozen cyber warriors who get a kick from gobbing off from behind their PC. I include Nick G, Smirking Saint, Matthew Le God, Once Bitterne as well as a few others in this category. Generally people like this have been bullied at school and use the internet to give them a sense of belonging. From he safety of their PC they can happily gob off to people without getting punched in the face. Without sounding like I am posturing for a fight, none of these would have the same opinions in the real world, and certainly would never spout off like they do now in the real world. Let them have their moment though, bless them.
StuRomseySaint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 No, I am a consultant engineer. I'm going to stop now, as you are quite clearly fixated on this issue beyond reason. If you really need a payment plan THAT badly, for something that is a luxury item, for leisure purposes, then my word, I pity you. Cut your cloth accordingly for a year... like many of us have HAD to do before even considering getting a season ticket and then, only then, buy one in. You 'pity' people that need payment plans. What a complete ignorant cyber c*nt you are.
Smirking_Saint Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You come accross as a jumped up teenager smugsaint. Are you really so dense that you can't see that the problem isn't the withdrawal of the scheme, it's the way it's been withdrawn with no notice. Not being smug at all Stan, and its a bit pot kettle calling me a teenager, we all remember your pretending to be drunk threads, don't you have a forum to save ? I fully understand that issue, i genuinely do and believe NC has made a massive f*ck up that he didn't pre warn people, however saying that the payment plan is not the biggest issue being discussed is nonsense, you only have to have a look at what everyone is posting. Also, if it was pre-warned are you saying we wouldn't be having all this crap ??
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You 'pity' people that need payment plans. What a complete ignorant cyber c*nt you are. No, I pity the fact it means so much to you. Not the necessity for a payment plan. I believe you have lost perspective and this proves it, you are focusing on incediary words and taking them as sweeping insults rather then the actual meaning of them. Calm down.
chrisobee Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You can't compare the two! - A car for most is required in every day life. - A season ticket for a football club is a luxury item and is not "needed" especially if you aren't in a healthy financial position. Just goto fewer games, you don't HAVE to goto all 23. Don't have a car, don't want a car, don't need a car so there is no comparison as far as I'm concerned. I may not have a ST, I may not NEED a ST but I may want one even if location restricts my attendance. Trains and coaches get me down to Southampton very nicely thank you.
John B Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 You come accross as a jumped up teenager smugsaint. Are you really so dense that you can't see that the problem isn't the withdrawal of the scheme, it's the way it's been withdrawn with no notice. I find it strange that so many posters fail to agree with you. It is no wonder the club can do what it wants without bothering to inform the public
Matthew Le God Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 At least everyone is now fully prepared for no installment plan in 2011/12 and beyond.
100%Red&White Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 +1. If you can't afford it, don't get it. It's what I had to do until last Xmas. You wont have an opportunity to buy one at Christmas this year. I don't think many are contesting the price rise - although SRS's list of CCC clubs STs look better value for a better standard of football - it would just have been nice for the club to explain why they: 1: Waited so late to announce ST details and why they were withdrawing the instalment plan. 2: In light of that decision only given us a month to find the money before the price goes up significantly. 3: Why you can't buy a ST at all after a date in August (can't remember) and no Half-Year STs - many people like to buy them as Christmas presents and we sold another 2000 last season this way. ? Things could have been handled differently.
dune Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Not being smug at all Stan, and its a bit pot kettle calling me a teenager, we all remember your pretending to be drunk threads, don't you have a forum to save ? I fully understand that issue, i genuinely do and believe NC has made a massive f*ck up that he didn't pre warn people, however saying that the payment plan is not the biggest issue being discussed is nonsense, you only have to have a look at what everyone is posting. Also, if it was pre-warned are you saying we wouldn't be having all this crap ?? I've never pretended to be drunk, i was off my head at the time.
Colinjb Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 Things could have been handled differently. Absolutely, in more ways then one.
ART Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 SIST? A new name for that Trust needs to be found and soon.... SAINTS BUST would be a great name as they represent the past when they played fiddle to those that got the club BUST. I can confirm that STU is no friend of Saints Trust and has long campaigned for it's closure. Just how many paid up members do they actually claim. 55% to bring down the goverment, so how does 1% represent the supporters interests.
dune Posted 10 June, 2010 Posted 10 June, 2010 SAINTS BUST would be a great name as they represent the past when they played fiddle to those that got the club BUST. I can confirm that STU is no friend of Saints Trust and has long campaigned for it's closure. Just how many paid up members do they actually claim. 55% to bring down the goverment, so how does 1% represent the supporters interests. Hello ART, long time no see.
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