Different Ownership and Managment, same old summer

[SaintDonkey]

We know from the last two windows that this administration likes to play things very close to their chests - the first thing any of us know about signings is pretty much when they're unveiled. It really wouldn't surprise me at all if we hadn't already lined up a couple of players but we're waiting until they come back from their hols before announcing.

 

Of course if pre-season traiing kicks off and we're still shy of right backs then we can start to worry. Before that.... meh

Edited 7 June, 2010 by SaintDonkey
typoo

[stevegrant]

I don't see what the fuss is all about, we're level with the league leaders at the moment...

[Winnersaint]

Yep, and I received the same abuse all summer long before we started the 2006/2007 season with no CBs.

And now doubt you will get similar all summer long this year. There really is something not right with you!

[stmusicdude]

Nothing but rumours, no solid transfer activity, gaps in the team to fill as usual (this case RB and CM).

 

Pre-season around the corner, and "gelling" until October ensuring no automatic promotion.

 

We need to start this season on our feet and already running, and the same old b*ll*cks is occuring.

 

We do .. not sure need to worry bout the RB just yet but want him in by time pre season starts please

 

you been quiet alps you been busy?

[trousers]

http://www.dailyecho.co.uk/sport/831640.Saints_closing_in_on_Skacel/

[Fergie]

Yeah, maybe a little early to start worrying about it.

However, huddersfield seem to be snapping up a few players, as do norwich and leeds too. i did expect someone i'd heard of to be headin our way though. calderon and that brentford left-ack re not exactly what i ha in mind.

Was thinking more of a name and a player who is proen at CCC level as our club is on the up.

BUT...in pardew i trust. Will see what develos after the WC.

 

Heard Fabregas was in ronhams services the other week, maybe on his way home after a medical!!

[FMPR]

I don't see what the fuss is all about, we're level with the league leaders at the moment...

 

Also joint bottom as well though Steve

[Colinjb]

Sorry Alpine, this thread is more about your insecurities then club policy.

 

Grab a beer, pull up a comfy chair and enjoy the world cup. There's a good chap.

[Pancake]

This has certainly made my Monday morning A LOT more enjoyable.

[Joensuu]

Exactly, and Alpine is premature with this thread, but we are usually amongst the last to sign what's left.

 

... under the former chairman. Thank goodness for Cortese.

[sambosa75]

It might actually be worth noting Alpine that the transfer window isnt even officially open yet. It opens at the start of July.

 

Alps, chill the f*ck out. The transfer window is still closed and pre-season training hasnt even started yet.

 

How many other clubs are signing players left right and centre at the moment? The only team to make a notable signing so far has been Man City with Boateng and thats because they have signed him on a pre-contract.

 

Just enjoy the World Cup and see where we are in a months time.

[alpine_saint]

No, I'm actually at the games... You ought to try it before you start ****ing slinging accusations around...

 

I must have imagined you calling me "insane" then

Edited 7 June, 2010 by alpine_saint

[alpine_saint]

Bailey Rumour

 

Dickson Rumour

 

Stock and Lines Rumour

 

Adu Rumour

 

Calderon Rumour

 

Talking rubbish as usual.

 

thanks, those articles prove my point..

[miserableoldgit]

Exactly, and Alpine is premature with this thread, but we are usually amongst the last to sign what's left.

Like Lambert, Fonte, Hammond, Waigo and Antonio etc? Yes they were just the dregs of what was left weren`t they?

[alpine_saint]

Like Lambert, Fonte, Hammond, Waigo and Antonio etc? Yes they were just the dregs of what was left weren`t they?

 

Wouldnt you like for once for SFC to do their dealing early in the summer and have a reasonably settled team with a full pre-season behind them raring to go from the first kick-off ?

 

I think we are 3-4 players short of what we need for a successful promotion campaign, a significant disturbance to the first 11.

[Super_Uwe]

Wouldnt you like for once for SFC to do their dealing early in the summer and have a reasonably settled team with a full pre-season behind them raring to go from the first kick-off ?

 

I think we are 3-4 players short of what we need for a successful promotion campaign, a significant disturbance to the first 11.

 

Where do you feel those 3-4 positions are?

[ottery st mary]

Wouldnt you like for once for SFC to do their dealing early in the summer and have a reasonably settled team with a full pre-season behind them raring to go from the first kick-off ?

 

I think we are 3-4 players short of what we need for a successful promotion campaign, a significant disturbance to the first 11.

 

 

If I was to tell you we are about to sign four new players any day now would you cheer up?:smt035

 

They would have anounced it last week but waited on your return from your hols:smt102

 

....AND they were waiting for your final decision on the new shirt design.

 

Sorry..Forgot ...they were also waiting on your thoughts for the new style season ticket ..before release.:smt069

 

Other than that they are about to tell you of our wonderful new signings:smt041

 

 

Cheer up Old boy.

[View From The Top]

Wouldnt you like for once for SFC to do their dealing early in the summer and have a reasonably settled team with a full pre-season behind them raring to go from the first kick-off ?

 

I think we are 3-4 players short of what we need for a successful promotion campaign, a significant disturbance to the first 11.

 

Mad as a bag of frogs.

[Guided Missile]

Where do you feel those 3-4 positions are?

How would alpine know what positions we are deficient in? He doesn't go to games. You might as well ask a blind man to judge a beauty contest.

[Gemmel]

thanks, those articles prove my point..

 

Alpine you dont have a point. We are 6 days into the transfer window, most players are on holiday, the world cup is about to start and historically this is the quietest time of the transfer window. The whole thread is totally stupid.

 

The best you can do is stop digging.

[Block 5]

Nothing but rumours, no solid transfer activity, gaps in the team to fill as usual (this case RB and CM).

 

Pre-season around the corner, and "gelling" until October ensuring no automatic promotion.

 

We need to start this season on our feet and already running, and the same old b*ll*cks is occuring.

 

Chill out Alps.

 

Why not go for a nice walk instead of getting all worked up?

 

Try walking from the bottom of the Ahorn cable car in Mayrhofen up to the Stillup reservoir.

Gorgeous views.......and so relaxing.

[ottery st mary]

How would alpine know what positions we are deficient in? He doesn't go to games. You might as well ask a blind man to judge a beauty contest.

 

It's good to feel with certain subjects.

[alpine_saint]

Where do you feel those 3-4 positions are?

 

In order of priority :

 

RB - obvious

CM - to make things happen in the absence of Schneiderlin

Up front - Cant see Connolly doing a large part of the season, too dependent upon Lambert

CB - too dependent upon Fonte and Jaidi

[bungle]

alpine totally wrong again? Surely not?!

[alpine_saint]

Alpine you dont have a point. We are 6 days into the transfer window, most players are on holiday, the world cup is about to start and historically this is the quietest time of the transfer window. The whole thread is totally stupid.

 

 

And all of that is stopping the other teams ? Huddersfield have already secured three players.

[Guided Missile]

And all of that is stopping the other teams ? Huddersfield have already secured three players.

They need to, after our sh 1t squad tonked them 5:0. You remember that one, alps. You had f*** all to post ...

[sir_fred]

Ok, the manangement is on a well deserved holiday. My suggestion is that all moaners and those who are moaning about moaners(including me) go on holiday as well. See you in the end of June when the important stuff before next season will start happen.

[The9]

alpine totally wrong again? Surely not?!

 

I think the issue is that as usual he's not TOTALLY wrong, he's just miles ahead of the time where he's got a valid point.

 

Getting his complaint in first so he can say "I told you so" if nothing happens when it should have happened (in about 2 months' time). The only other alternative is that he's mental and ridiculously impatient.

 

Also, if we ARE going to slag him off, can we stick to the facts ? The summer Transfer Window opens at the end of the season in England : http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/WhoWeAre/ContactUs/NewsAndFeatures/2004/27097.aspx (link is from 2004 but it hasn't changed).

 

Also, page 150 of this pdf for the Premier League rules http://www.premierleague.com/staticFiles/7a/20/0,,12306~139386,00.pdf states

 

The first Transfer Window in any year shall commence at midnight on the last day of the

Season and shall end on 31st August next if aWorking Day or, if not, on the firstWorking Day

thereafter, at a time to be determined by the Board.

Edited 7 June, 2010 by The9

[dubai_phil]

I don't see what the fuss is all about, we're level with the league leaders at the moment...

 

Been a while since that last happened.

[shurlock]

How the hell are we going to know whether to buy Xavi or Messi (or both) if haven't had a full world cup to watch them?

[martel]

:smt050:smt050

Same old b*ll*cks coming from you.

 

LOL

[shurlock]

IMO the season only finished last weekend - after the playoff finals were completed. Is it any wonder that season ticket prices were released straight after Dagenham were promoted to complete the set of 24 teams for the 2010/11 L1 season?

 

While that result didn't really materially affect anything in terms of STs, I can imagine how knowing who was going up from L2 and more importantly L1 would affect our transfer activity.

 

Maybe we've bee targeting players from playoff teams (after all, don't they have the best players) - and is someone likely to move if they've just been promoted? Hence Paynter has just f**ked off to Leeds. Would Bailey be a realistic target had Charlton gone up. Alternatively maybe playoff teams have been looking at similar players as us - so players were waiting and seeing who came up - in theory any given player is now much more likely to go to Millwall than before last weekend (coincidentally remember how last season Trotman turned Millwall down and came to us). The permutations are endless.

 

Point is it makes no sense for players and teams to make decisions against a background of incomplete information. And the picture has only started to become clearer in the last week, not month....

Edited 7 June, 2010 by shurlock
nonsense

[The Kraken]

In order of priority :

 

RB - obvious

CM - to make things happen in the absence of Schneiderlin

Up front - Cant see Connolly doing a large part of the season, too dependent upon Lambert

CB - too dependent upon Fonte and Jaidi

 

So hang on; you're assuming the rumours that Schneiderlin will be sold are true, yet the rumours that Lines/Stock etc have been identified to replace him are incorrect?

 

Up front; do we not have Barnard? He seemed to score a few goals last season, I recall.

 

CB; Seabourne played quite a few games last season in place of Jaidi; Aaron Martin also started the last 2 games with some very good reviews of his performances.

 

So at the moment we need a right back. That's it.

 

Then again, I do note that you like to create ill-informed threads full of reactionary assumptions. I remember too well your campaign throughout the start of last season to inform everyone that Schneiderlin and Lallana weren't up to the job and should be replaced; how did that one work out?

[alpine_saint]

So hang on; you're assuming the rumours that Schneiderlin will be sold are true, yet the rumours that Lines/Stock etc have been identified to replace him are incorrect?

 

Up front; do we not have Barnard? He seemed to score a few goals last season, I recall.

 

CB; Seabourne played quite a few games last season in place of Jaidi; Aaron Martin also started the last 2 games with some very good reviews of his performances.

 

So at the moment we need a right back. That's it.

 

Then again, I do note that you like to create ill-informed threads full of reactionary assumptions. I remember too well your campaign throughout the start of last season to inform everyone that Schneiderlin and Lallana weren't up to the job and should be replaced; how did that one work out?

 

We need back-up for Schnedierlin whether he goes or stays. My comment was based on him staying, so that blows sneer 1 of yours out of the water. He gets injured and has a small disciplinary issue.

 

Yes, we have Barnard, and if Rickie gets injured that's about it because Connolly cannot be depended upon. I think (and I its my opinion that I am entitled to) we need another forward.

 

I dont rate Seaborne or consider him first-choice. I would like to see another CB, again my right to think so.

 

I dont consider myself ill-informed, and I still think my concerns about Lallana and Schneiderlin were valid. Certainly, I reviewed my opinion at the end of the season (unlike some of you, I am capable of this) and definitely think Schneiderlin should stay, Lallana leaving would still not destroy me.

[saint_stevo]

Alps, i do my best to stand up for you, but hysterical threads like these do not help

[Kingsbridge Saint]

A bit early to raise this as a concern. I don't see gelling as an issue this season because a high proportion of our squad is already in place and ready to roll. Pardew knows what he is doing, and I'm sure he is well aware of the consequences of screwing it up. He will make the signings he needs, when he needs to make them.

[The Kraken]

We need back-up for Schnedierlin whether he goes or stays. My comment was based on him staying, so that blows sneer 1 of yours out of the water. He gets injured and has a small disciplinary issue.

 

Yes, we have Barnard, and if Rickie gets injured that's about it because Connolly cannot be depended upon. I think (and I its my opinion that I am entitled to) we need another forward.

 

I dont rate Seaborne or consider him first-choice. I would like to see another CB, again my right to think so.

 

I dont consider myself ill-informed, and I still think my concerns about Lallana and Schneiderlin were valid. Certainly, I reviewed my opinion at the end of the season (unlike some of you, I am capable of this) and definitely think Schneiderlin should stay, Lallana leaving would still not destroy me.

 

First of all I never said you're not entitled to your views, and never would. I'm just entitled to not agree with them.

 

Without getting in to the points above, how about this. Since October 1st last year, our points per game average over a whole season would have given us the same amount of points an Noriwch finished with (who went up as champions). AP has said that he intends on improving the side from last year, clearly we need a right back to plug that hole but any other signings will be improvements on what we already have.

 

With that being the case, why do you think the team will perform worse than last year? Is it just potential injuries?

[saint_stevo]

to gauge performance I will be going to Swindon away this year to see if it is an improvement on last year.................

[JibMcdo]

We need back-up for Schnedierlin whether he goes or stays. My comment was based on him staying, so that blows sneer 1 of yours out of the water. He gets injured and has a small disciplinary issue.

 

Yes, we have Barnard, and if Rickie gets injured that's about it because Connolly cannot be depended upon. I think (and I its my opinion that I am entitled to) we need another forward.

 

I dont rate Seaborne or consider him first-choice. I would like to see another CB, again my right to think so.

 

I dont consider myself ill-informed, and I still think my concerns about Lallana and Schneiderlin were valid. Certainly, I reviewed my opinion at the end of the season (unlike some of you, I am capable of this) and definitely think Schneiderlin should stay, Lallana leaving would still not destroy me.

 

Nobody disagrees with who we should be buying over the summer, but the summer has hardly bloody began!

[SFKA South Woodford]

Whilst I agree that Alps is a bit premature with this thread, he does have a point about us needing to hit the ground running.

 

If we are unable to secure the services of a midfield general of sufficient quality in the next six weeks, then Pards is going to have to have a gelled and prepared squad ready for August 7th, as we need to pick up those valuable away victories whilst the oppo pitches are still in a good enough state for us to get the three points where we only managed one or none last season with our superior football ability getting those extra points.

 

With the squad due in for a week of training this week or next, we may well see some signings announced and see pictures of them wearing the new kits.

[chrisobee]

Nobody disagrees with who we should be buying over the summer, but the summer has hardly bloody began!

 

As the rain gets set to hit Southampton and scupper the cricket !

[Matthew Le God]

I dont rate Seaborne or consider him first-choice. I would like to see another CB, again my right to think so.

 

What is that based on? Seen him play much Alpine?

 

I don't think Seaborne is good enough, but at least that judgement is from actually watching games.

[SaintDonkey]

It might actually be worth noting Alpine that the transfer window isnt even officially open yet. It opens at the start of July.

 

 

He's right you know. So relax people - nothing can happen for another three weeks so just relax and enjoy the world cup.

[lettuce]

I assumed this was an old thread from the Wilde-era that had been bumped... sadly, it isn't

[alpine_saint]

What is that based on? Seen him play much Alpine?

 

I don't think Seaborne is good enough, but at least that judgement is from actually watching games.

 

So basically you are agreeing with me, but couldnt resist the chance for a dig ?

 

Riiight

[Doctoroncall]

And all of that is stopping the other teams ? Huddersfield have already secured three players.

 

There are only 13 confirmed transfers for League One clubs (in and outs):

 

4 June

 

Stephen Dawson [bury - Leyton Orient] Free

David Fox [Colchester - Norwich] Undisclosed

Gary Naysmith [sheffield United - Huddersfield Town] Free

 

3 June

 

Dean Cox [brighton - Leyton Orient] Free

Gareth Gwillim [Histon - Dagenham & Redbridge]

Stuart Lewis [Gillingham - Dagenham & Redbridge]

 

 

2 June

 

Joey Gudjonsson [unattached - Huddersfield]

Elliot Omozusi [Fulham - Leyton Orient] Free

Billy Paynter [swindon - Leeds] Free

 

 

1 June

 

Lewis Gobern [MK Dons - Grimsby] Free

Richard Lee [Watford - Brentford] Free

David Martin [Millwall - Derby] Undisclosed

James Wesolowski [Leicester - Peterborough] Undisclosed

[S-Clarke]

 

I dont rate Seaborne or consider him first-choice. I would like to see another CB, again my right to think so.

 

.

 

How the hell are you in a position to say that? How have you worked that out?

 

He's actually done ok, a few pieces of misjudgment but that will go as he gets experience.. One massive bonus is that he's left footed and quick. he's going to be a very useful player for us next year.

[alpine_saint]

First of all I never said you're not entitled to your views, and never would. I'm just entitled to not agree with them.

 

Without getting in to the points above, how about this. Since October 1st last year, our points per game average over a whole season would have given us the same amount of points an Noriwch finished with (who went up as champions). AP has said that he intends on improving the side from last year, clearly we need a right back to plug that hole but any other signings will be improvements on what we already have.

 

With that being the case, why do you think the team will perform worse than last year? Is it just potential injuries?

 

I dont recall saying the team will perform worse. However, if they dont perform better, especially in the first 2 months (always been a weakness of us), we will not be in contention for auto promotion at the end of the season, a goal which I think is pretty much taken for granted in these parts.

[alpine_saint]

There are only 13 confirmed transfers for League One clubs (in and outs):

 

4 June

 

Stephen Dawson [bury - Leyton Orient] Free

David Fox [Colchester - Norwich] Undisclosed

Gary Naysmith [sheffield United - Huddersfield Town] Free

 

3 June

 

Dean Cox [brighton - Leyton Orient] Free

Gareth Gwillim [Histon - Dagenham & Redbridge]

Stuart Lewis [Gillingham - Dagenham & Redbridge]

 

 

2 June

 

Joey Gudjonsson [unattached - Huddersfield]

Elliot Omozusi [Fulham - Leyton Orient] Free

Billy Paynter [swindon - Leeds] Free

 

 

1 June

 

Lewis Gobern [MK Dons - Grimsby] Free

Richard Lee [Watford - Brentford] Free

David Martin [Millwall - Derby] Undisclosed

James Wesolowski [Leicester - Peterborough] Undisclosed

 

During a closed transfer market ???

[alpine_saint]

Why have 2 pages worth of people bothered to reply to this? It's June, we have a very good squad, we're title favourites, the 3 biggest rivals all got promoted and were replaced by far weaker teams, we have plenty of money and plenty of time to make the couple of signings we need. In the meantime, we have a world cup to concentrate on.

 

We have lost both Papa and Antonio, who contributed a lot in my opinion. Vultures are circling Schneiderlin, and we have released 13 other players, significantly reducing squad depth.

 

If you think this an optimal position to be in, so be it. I think you are being complaicent.