Cortese V Lowe

[NickG]

can you help me with that loan info

[StuRomseySaint]

can you help me with that loan info

 

6 months interest free I believe you 'tard.

[NickG]

 

After all... let's not forget, Southampton is in debt... all the money put in has been loaned from Liebherr, he expects it back.

 

this is very important point after what went wrong down the M27.

 

do you know how much he is loaning?

 

when does he want it back?

 

is it a secured loan?

[StuRomseySaint]

this is very important point after what went wrong down the M27.

 

do you know how much he is loaning?

 

when does he want it back?

 

is it a secured loan?

 

Yawn - Ignore list for you now.

[NickG]

so you lie and can't answer so you go running to hide. Pathetic.

[StuRomseySaint]

This message is hidden because NickG is on your ignore list.

[NickG]

lol

[Doctoroncall]

so you lie and can't answer so you go running to hide. Pathetic.

 

There you go Stu, it's not hidden anymore ;-)

[hughieslastminutegoal]

all these negative people are ruining the internet...ffs

 

 

Try this link, and maybe you'll review your opinion of negative (grumpy) people!

 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8339647.stm

[dune]

It's not as simple as Lowe v Cortese. It's Lowe v Cortese/Leibherr.

 

As a result there is simply no comparison.

 

I doubt very much whether Mr Liebherr places Nicola Cortese above SFC. Nicola Cortese has probably done some good things, but his PR record is a disaster on a par with Lowe.

[Thedelldays]

I doubt very much whether Mr Liebherr places Nicola Cortese above SFC. Nicola Cortese has probably done some good things, but his PR record is a disaster on a par with Lowe.

 

lol

 

you do realise that markus would only go into this if NC ran the show...

[hypochondriac]

Dune, you get very close to making the very valid points that I and others make invalid due to your idiocy. Please stop making ludicrous and extreme comparisons and try to stick to the sensible points. Thanks.

[NickG]

I doubt very much whether Mr Liebherr places Nicola Cortese above SFC. Nicola Cortese has probably done some good things, but his PR record is a disaster on a par with Lowe.

 

didn't even convince yourself! When he quotes startrek and starts talking about the mindless mob etc then compare!

[dune]

Dune, you get very close to making the very valid points that I and others make invalid due to your idiocy. Please stop making ludicrous and extreme comparisons and try to stick to the sensible points. Thanks.

 

Just ignore the points I make if you don't like them.

[dune]

lol

 

you do realise that markus would only go into this if NC ran the show...

 

So does this mean that ML would walk away if NC wasn't here?

[Thedelldays]

So does this mean that ML would walk away if NC wasn't here?

considering markus has never been a decision maker other than buy the club only if his mate would run it...then I would not like to bet that markus would stay long if NC up'd and left

[dune]

considering markus has never been a decision maker other than buy the club only if his mate would run it...then I would not like to bet that markus would stay long if NC up'd and left

 

I think this explains much of the indifference by some posters to the decisions NC has taken of late. In effect you and others will put up with the crap because you're **** scared of upsetting NC, NC leaving, and ML walking aswell. Is that a fair summary which explains why NC can get away with things that Lowe would've been crucified for doing?

[Thedelldays]

I think this explains much of the indifference by some posters to the decisions NC has taken of late. In effect you and others will put up with the crap because you're **** scared of upsetting NC, NC leaving, and ML walking aswell. Is that a fair summary which explains why NC can get away with things that Lowe would've been crucified for doing?

im not putting up with the "crap" as I dont think there has been much crap..

 

how are you not putting up with such crap then..?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

im not putting up with the "crap" as I dont think there has been much crap..

 

Because your an armchair fan and rarely buy a ticket/parking etc, dont have a season ticket etc etc

 

Thats why DullDays

[Ponty]

"Dave", if you laid off the insults you might get less from others. Just a thought.

[Thedelldays]

Because your an armchair fan and rarely buy a ticket/parking etc, dont have a season ticket etc etc

 

Thats why DullDays

 

 

so what..you dont run a multi million pound company and never have done so, yetyou seem to spout off about it hourly

 

what have you achieved so far stu...what has your crusade of business knowledge done for the good of the club..?

[Ponty]

so what..you dont run a multi million pound company and never have done so, yetyou seem to spout off about it hourly

 

what have you achieved so far stu...what has your crusade of business knowledge done for the good of the club..?

I think you'll find it's Dave, not Stu.

[dune]

so what..you dont run a multi million pound company and never have done so, yetyou seem to spout off about it hourly

 

what have you achieved so far stu...what has your crusade of business knowledge done for the good of the club..?

 

To be fair to "Dave" (lol) he's done more for other fans than most.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

so what..you dont run a multi million pound company and never have done so, yetyou seem to spout off about it hourly

 

what have you achieved so far stu...what has your crusade of business knowledge done for the good of the club..?

 

Are you ready to say sorry for telling me I was lieing about going on the pre-season tour yet?

 

As I stated in another thread, I have enough experience and skills to have been offered a job by the club previously... so evidently more qualified to talk about it than you.

 

Oh... and I know more about submarines and child porn than you too... so there.

[Smirking_Saint]

Because your an armchair fan and rarely buy a ticket/parking etc, dont have a season ticket etc etc

 

Thats why DullDays

 

Its hardly unbearable is it ??

 

What job did you get offered anyways ?

[Dave Benson Phillips]

Its hardly unbearable is it ??

 

What job did you get offered anyways ?

 

It was a sales job, that's all I am saying. ( A full-time 9-5 and matchdays one , not a burger bar or programme seller )

[Smirking_Saint]

It was a sales job, that's all I am saying. ( A full-time 9-5 and matchdays one , not a burger bar or programme seller )

 

Doesn't really mean that you in essance would be able to run a multi million pound football company though does it ?

 

However it does make you a tad more qualified than me in sales and marketing etc. F*ck that sh*t.

[dune]

The original and the best.

 

But what the new thread clearly shows is that Cortese is losing support by the day as fans wake up to the fact that Cortese is cold and uncaring. Don't get me wrong it's nice to have Markus's money, hell it can even be argued that it's nice to have a club, but that still doesn't mean it isn't disapointing to have a chairman that has very little emotion towards supporters. For Cortese it's all about getting from A to B.

[trousers]

The original and the best.

 

But what the new thread clearly shows is that Cortese is losing support by the day as fans wake up to the fact that Cortese is cold and uncaring. Don't get me wrong it's nice to have Markus's money, hell it can even be argued that it's nice to have a club, but that still doesn't mean it isn't disapointing to have a chairman that has very little emotion towards supporters. For Cortese it's all about getting from A to B.

 

Sir. Would you replace Cortese with Lowe tomorrow?

[dune]

Sir. Would you replace Cortese with Lowe tomorrow?

 

No, but there's little to pick and choose.

[Thedelldays]

No, but there's little to pick and choose.

 

yes or no

 

go on.. I would love the mods to have a poll

 

Cortese or Lowe in charge for the coming season..

[dune]

yes or no

 

go on.. I would love the mods to have a poll

 

Cortese or Lowe in charge for the coming season..

 

I clearly stated No Janine.

[miserableoldgit]

The original and the best.

 

But what the new thread clearly shows is that Cortese is losing support by the day as fans wake up to the fact that Cortese is cold and uncaring. Don't get me wrong it's nice to have Markus's money, hell it can even be argued that it's nice to have a club, but that still doesn't mean it isn't disapointing to have a chairman that has very little emotion towards supporters. For Cortese it's all about getting from A to B.

If we get off to a flying start and have a fantastic season all of this "negative" stuff will be forgotten. For us it has been a very quiet close-season so all of the"anti-Cortese" stuff has been blown out of all proportion. I accept that the biggest "crime" that has been committed is the lack of communication, and I find it both mystfying and annoying, but the vast majority of fans probably want just to go to games and watch a successful team.

[Foxstone]

The original and the best.

 

But what the new thread clearly shows is that Cortese is losing support by the day as fans wake up to the fact that Cortese is cold and uncaring. Don't get me wrong it's nice to have Markus's money, hell it can even be argued that it's nice to have a club, but that still doesn't mean it isn't disapointing to have a chairman that has very little emotion towards supporters. For Cortese it's all about getting from A to B.

 

Strongly disagree!

 

If he appears cold and uncaring as opposed to warm/cuddly fan friendly "lets go Wilde" and others, then thats fine by me.

 

It means his decision making is dis-passionate and not based on emotion and is therefore likely to be spot on.

[Chez]

Strongly disagree!

 

If he appears cold and uncaring as opposed to warm/cuddly fan friendly "lets go Wilde" and others, then thats fine by me.

 

It means his decision making is dis-passionate and not based on emotion and is therefore likely to be spot on.

 

on the other hand he could be cold and uncaring whilst making poor decisions.

[Foxstone]

on the other hand he could be cold and uncaring whilst making poor decisions.

 

His record so far suggests that it is not likely.

[once_bitterne]

No, but there's little to pick and choose.

 

Well I can think of a billion or two reasons.

 

I love the naivety of out fanbase in thinking the chairman of a football club which is a multi-million pound business should be a nice cuddly, fan friendly person. If you really are hankering after someone who does little but constantly blows smoke up the collective ring pieces of fans then best bet is to dust off the Saints Fans Go Wilde t-shirts.

 

As I've said a few times, I would assume that Cortese thinks a high % of our fanbase are utter morons. Just like Lowe did. And no doubt just as Glazer, Abramovich, Levy and the rest do of their club's fans.

 

The fact that Cortese is annoying the sort of fans that he is seems to be, could well be indicative that he is doing all the right things.

[Thedelldays]

 

As I've said a few times, I would assume that Cortese thinks a high % of our fanbase are utter morons. Just like Lowe did. And no doubt just as Glazer, Abramovich, Levy and the rest do of their club's fans.

.

 

 

lets be honest...we are..we sit here, say things like "we got to the JPT final therefor, we could not have been making a loss last year"

 

is utterly, laughable...

you could see from rooneys reaction in the world cup..even the players think we are mongs

[dune]

Strongly disagree!

 

If he appears cold and uncaring as opposed to warm/cuddly fan friendly "lets go Wilde" and others, then thats fine by me.

 

It means his decision making is dis-passionate and not based on emotion and is therefore likely to be spot on.

 

I was one of the first to see through "Mike". It may suit your spin to compare Cortese to this clown, but you are simply using the worst case scenario to excuse Cortese's decisions.

[Chez]

His record so far suggests that it is not likely.

depends if you think having childish spats with the Echo, removing Season Ticket payment plans at last minute, charging fans booking fees to buy tickets, increasing parking prices by 65%, not communicating with fans, ignoring his own Fans Charter are part of this `track record' you speak of.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

lets be honest...we are..we sit here, say things like "we got to the JPT final therefor, we could not have been making a loss last year"

 

is utterly, laughable...

you could see from rooneys reaction in the world cup..even the players think we are mongs

 

Our JPT run would have earnt us AT LEAST an extra £2million - Covering all of the summer transfers. Add the extra £500k from the skates game... there's the transfers almost paid for.

 

The training ground has been delayed due to Corteses arrogance, no money has been passed that I am aware.

 

Anyone who thinks we have been bankrolled this year are the ones that are laughable.

[dune]

The fact that Cortese is annoying the sort of fans that he is seems to be, could well be indicative that he is doing all the right things.

 

What a weird view to take.

[saintjay77]

There are clearly some similarity's between the 2 but does that make NC as bad as Lowe or was Lowe just not that bad?

 

Lowe was trying to run the business within its means while venturing out to generate its own funds to move it forward. (failed)

NC is trying to run the business within its own means but with financial backing he will be trying to make the club big enough to generate its own funds enough to support it at the highest level.

 

That means ultimatly 30,000 saints fans will have to pay more to support such a team or the club will need to find another 30,000 or so fans to increase the cash coming in. (if he really does want to take the club to THE highest level)

 

Dont think Lowe ever tried to take the club forward based on a nice fat wad in the bank and dont think he would be the best option in that situation. NC would be my choice in the current climate based on the little we know of him so far.

 

If we had a choice of NC or Lowe in the previous climate with no financial backing then what is there to suggest he could have done any better? He may have been as useful as Wilde!!!

[Foxstone]

I was one of the first to see through "Mike". It may suit your spin to compare Cortese to this clown, but you are simply using the worst case scenario to excuse Cortese's decisions.

 

Not at all !

I too saw through that blithering idiot early on !

But thousands were swept up by his "fan friendly rhetoric and bull" only to be thoroughly let down when it had all the substance of an empty crisp packet.

 

At least with Cortese we know what to expect - Professional decision making to meet the strategy set. Not compromise and appeasement that puts us off course.

[Thedelldays]

Our JPT run would have earnt us AT LEAST an extra £2million - Covering all of the summer transfers. Add the extra £500k from the skates game... there's the transfers almost paid for.

 

The training ground has been delayed due to Corteses arrogance, no money has been passed that I am aware.

 

Anyone who thinks we have been bankrolled this year are the ones that are laughable.

 

 

I just love these "back of fag packet" sums

 

how much is the salaries of...

 

Cortese

Pardew

lambert

Fonte

Wilkins

downes

davis

harding

lallana

gimpel

morgan

puncheon

barnard

 

how mush was VAT last season..the police bill

 

how much did commercial revenue drop..????

 

how much did it cost to have Ajax here..?

 

how mush did the lighting bill cost

the gas bill

player and staff bonuses

 

stewarding

 

how much did this all cost stu

[Foxstone]

depends if you think having childish spats with the Echo, removing Season Ticket payment plans at last minute, charging fans booking fees to buy tickets, increasing parking prices by 65%, not communicating with fans, ignoring his own Fans Charter are part of this `track record' you speak of.

 

No problem with any of the business decisions made.

 

As for communicating with fans, it depends on your own individual view. Cortese likes to do so in a measured manner at a time and place of his choosing. Fine we know that and many of us accept that.

[once_bitterne]

What a weird view to take.

 

Is it tho?

 

I pointed out last week that we have different types of fans. Dave Benson Phillips was kind enough to post numerous times since then supporting this view.

 

As a football club we have many fans who are, funnily enough, fans of football. What that fan wants is to see the team winning football games (stick with me, I know this is breathtaking stuff). Football fans want to see the team do well and get promoted back to the Prem. For this section of fans Cortese has been an amazing success. From a team managed by the Dutch duo and comprised of kids and poor journeymen, look what he has done. Top striker in the league the season before last, signed him. Top striker at Xmas in the L1, signed him. One of the top CBs from a division above us, signed him. Premier League calibre manager who was managing in an FA Cup final only a few years back, signed him.

 

We went to Wembley, won a Cup and have to be regarded as one of the favs to go up this season. For football fans Cortese gets an A+.

 

However.... there are also what I called the social fans. The arrive late (drunk) and leave early brigade who love an afternoon drinking with their mates but couldn't identify a decent LB if kicked up the a rse by one. For this group of fans Cortese has done very little in fact he could be seen to be actively discouraging them from attending. Most Socials aren't of the highest income so the removal of the payment plan hit them hard. Also the short notice of the pre-season tour really hit their plans for a Summer's drinking in Switzerland. To be honest, I can see little that Cortese has done for our Social fans.

 

So, as I said, the fact the concentrating on the football side of things and less on placating the Socials could

[dune]

[saintjay77]

I just love these "back of fag packet" sums

 

how much is the salaries of...

 

Cortese

Pardew

lambert

Fonte

Wilkins

downes

davis

harding

lallana

gimpel

morgan

puncheon

barnard

 

how mush was VAT last season..the police bill

 

how much did commercial revenue drop..????

 

how much did it cost to have Ajax here..?

 

how mush did the lighting bill cost

the gas bill

player and staff bonuses

 

stewarding

 

how much did this all cost stu

 

I doubt we are running the wage bill out of control like some other clubs and I doubt we are far off from breaking even on all turnover.

 

But I also would have thought that we are running at cost of a team trying to make it in the NPC (CCC) and will continue to do so while being helped along where needed by ML until we are at a level where we can generate the money to pay for it and not rely on ML anymore.

 

So the aim is probably to live within our means but to get there ML will need to dip in to help out.

[Dave Benson Phillips]

I just love these "back of fag packet" sums

 

how much is the salaries of...

 

Cortese

Pardew

lambert

Fonte

Wilkins

downes

davis

harding

lallana

gimpel

morgan

puncheon

barnard

 

how mush was VAT last season..the police bill

 

how much did commercial revenue drop..????

 

how much did it cost to have Ajax here..?

 

how mush did the lighting bill cost

the gas bill

player and staff bonuses

 

stewarding

 

how much did this all cost stu

 

I will answer this nice and simple for you Dulldays.

 

Championship wages.

 

The thing you fail to grasp is last season we had a top 8 Championship revenue as well. We might be in League 1 by name, but our revenue is a decent Championship one.