Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 This argument has more holes in it than 2pac's vest. For a start Lambert was hardly ever negated by defenders. There were times when he was playing as the lone striker and had bugger all service, but that wasn't his fault. Schneiderlin did have bad games. I'm pretty sure he played in both Swindon games and our midfield was terrible in both of them. We've also had games where we've played brilliantly but Schneiderlin wasn't on the pitch, such as the JPT final. Didn't think we played particularly well in JPT TBH, even though we easily beat Carlisle. And yes Lambert has been dominated, not often, but he was a few times. That was my point really mate, when Schneiderlin has a poor game/doesn't play we don't look any where near the same side as when he is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilchards Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 IMHO he is not worth 1m and I also find it funny how the sun report it. Who told them? The player to bump up his wages? The French team? (bad idea as it creates a bidding war) His agent? means he is unhappy then? If he wanted to go then anything near a million will get us something like Danns and Stock which leaves the extra money set by for a good player to come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 The rumour I most feared this summer has started today in The Sun. This is from the BBC Gossip section. Hopefully nothing in it. Southampton midfielder Morgan Schneiderlin, 19, is a £1m target for French team St Etienne. (The Sun) I was down at Guichard the other day,helping with the younger players, didn't hear any rumours about Morgan though.Still could have been some sort of informal approach when he was down in Toulon I suppose.It's no secret that the FFF want him playing at what they consider to be a higher level, St Etienne doesn't fit that description though,not really.What is more it's all very political down there just now the sporting director has just quit after a row ith the president and Galtier (the coach) is under review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I'm amazed at those that don't realise what a good player Schneiderlin is! Along with Lallana they have by far the best chance of making it in a top flight side. He certainly wouldn't leave for £1m so this story is clearly rubbish to start with. With his contract not ending until 2012 they can turn down any offer they don't like. Of course if he wants to move he wil move but 2 years on a contract and a big financhial backer means Saints can turn down offers until it reaches an acceptable level. £1m is no where near high enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints foreva Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If Morgan goes, we will not win the league. We might be luck to reach the play offs. I cannot remember us having one fantastic performance while he wasn't in the team last season. It was like there was no midfield, just defence to strikers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painswick Saint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If the story is true (it is the Sun, after all) - St Etienne are Ligue 1, and the draw of that vs. another season in English League 1 may be too strong, especially in view of the comments made by the French under 21 manager about him playnig in English League 1 I doubt we would let him go for a million pounds, though. Didn't we pay Strasbourg 1.5 million Euros for him ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If the story is true (it is the Sun, after all) - St Etienne are Ligue 1, and the draw of that vs. another season in English League 1 may be too strong, especially in view of the comments made by the French under 21 manager about him playnig in English League 1 I doubt we would let him go for a million pounds, though. Didn't we pay Strasbourg 1.5 million Euros for him ? Probably not yet, it was an "up to"sum. Trouble is playing in League 1 isn't good for any talented player, gives them bad habits and they lose value. I watched most of the Toulon Festival games and the same comment kept recurring on the Franch commentaries "League 1 that's like playing in the National (french semi pro third division)isn't it, that's a strange choice he made there" they didn't seem to know anything about our relegation or troubles last year.Playing for Saints is damaging his standing and will continue to do so, so he might well accept a lower Ligue 1 club to get out of it if enough pressure is put on him to do s. Don't mind myself, I watch StE about 15 games a season so I'd certainly gain in the exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I expect he will be off .and for a darn sight more than a measly £1 million ......!:smt093 especially if mentioned in the same breath as Man.U and Arsenal ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david in sweden Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 wasnt Napoleon Italian ? born and raised in Corsica was he not maybe im wrong ? .NO your not wrong, think I read the same history book...........:smt038. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomer Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Every player has his price and if we were to get an offer for Morgan that was to good to turn down, I would say good luck to the lad and thats. LBH there are other midfield players out there that are as good as him that we could attract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If Morgan goes, we will not win the league. We might be luck to reach the play offs. I cannot remember us having one fantastic performance while he wasn't in the team last season. It was like there was no midfield, just defence to strikers. This, and i echo MLG in saying it baffles me that people miss his obvious talents !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If Morgan goes, we will not win the league. We might be luck to reach the play offs. I cannot remember us having one fantastic performance while he wasn't in the team last season. It was like there was no midfield, just defence to strikers. behave with the money we will no doubt spend and the players we have..we should go up with or without morgan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulwantsapint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Morgan makes us tick & his good games coincide with saints best games BUT if we could get 2m-2.5m for him in cash could AP buy someone as good if not better with the money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 .NO your not wrong, think I read the same history book...........:smt038. not much of a history book then, Corsica was ceded to France by the Kingdom of Genoa in 1768, ie one year before Napoleon's birth. He was born in Corsica after it became part of France.Before unification in about 1860 Italy as we know it was just a mishmash of kingdoms, duchies and papal states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If Morgan goes, we will not win the league. We might be luck to reach the play offs. I cannot remember us having one fantastic performance while he wasn't in the team last season. It was like there was no midfield, just defence to strikers. Didn't realise Schneiderlin played for Norwich last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Window Cleaner Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Morgan makes us tick & his good games coincide with saints best games BUT if we could get 2m-2.5m for him in cash could AP buy someone as good if not better with the money? AP could probably buy someone more suited to League 1 yes, but it would take a lot of money to buy someone as good as Morgan who will never be a real force at this level.THe lads talents are by far superior to our league, those of players around him are detrimental to them.It's a strange situation but not unknown, if you drop say Giggs or Lampard to this level they would probably be far less effective than they actually are, it's football, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faz Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Morgan makes us tick & his good games coincide with saints best games BUT if we could get 2m-2.5m for him in cash could AP buy someone as good if not better with the money? He could buy a whole L1 side for £2.5m! One player, at that valuation, is unlikely to want to play in L1. If he wants a midefield general, that boy at Exeter who came form Weston Super mud really impressed me at SMS. He made them play - and they played football even with 10 men. £0.5m. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpsaint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I hope we don't sell him, but if he does move on I have every faith in Pardew finding a decent replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If we could get £2.5m for him I would take it. He is good but not that good and does have a mental problem when his petulance shines threw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 So he is not going to Arsenal, as per the original arrangement when he signed for us then?? Ah, yes I remember that particularly cunning plan hatched up by Lowe and Wenger! Back in the real world... didn't we pay something like €1.2m for him? He must be worth more than that now so if there is interest and he wants to go I would certainly expect to see some hardball from Cortese if €1m is all that is on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benjii Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If we could get £2.5m for him I would take it. He is good but not that good and does have a mental problem when his petulance shines threw. Exactly (apart from the "threw" bit ). He's decent but certainly not irreplaceable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 "League 1 that's like playing in the National (french semi pro third division)isn't it, that's a strange choice he made there" they didn't seem to know anything about our relegation or troubles last year. Nor do they realise he's playing in front of average of 20,000 crowds which I suspect is pretty respectable compared with St. Etienne's? Morgan's Facebook page, written by some French guy, comments on the amazing crowd at Wembley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano6 Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Nor do they realise he's playing in front of average of 20,000 crowds which I suspect is pretty respectable compared with St. Etienne's? Morgan's Facebook page, written by some French guy, comments on the amazing crowd at Wembley. Morgan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Munster Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Can't agree with that - Lambert\Connolly\Fonte are better and several others in the team are at least as good IMO. He's a decent midfielder at this level and may go on to become decent at a higher level but I won't be losing any sleep if he goes. I've seen much better players than Schneiderlin go and we survived OK. OK .... apart from getting relegated twice, going into administration, and almost going out of existence. But yes, we did survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Can't agree with that - Lambert\Connolly\Fonte are better and several others in the team are at least as good IMO. He's a decent midfielder at this level and may go on to become decent at a higher level but I won't be losing any sleep if he goes. I've seen much better players than Schneiderlin go and we survived OK. Connolly did a fraction of Schneiderlins contribution this season. I feel he was the most important player to how we performed as a team this season, bar none. Lambert player of season due to doing his bit so well but he disappeared at times (then to pop up and score) whereas MS was central to much of saints good play this season imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Connolly did a fraction of Schneiderlins contribution this season. I feel he was the most important player to how we performed as a team this season, bar none. Lambert player of season due to doing his bit so well but he disappeared at times (then to pop up and score) whereas MS was central to much of saints good play this season imho. you are joking ffs...we played some hoofball alot of the time..or at least very direct play even simple throw ins down the line (in their half) are ALL aimed towards ricky....we simply would not have been no where near the top without lambert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 "...Lambert player of season" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Connolly did a fraction of Schneiderlins contribution this season. I feel he was the most important player to how we performed as a team this season, bar none. Lambert player of season due to doing his bit so well but he disappeared at times (then to pop up and score) whereas MS was central to much of saints good play this season imho. I can kind of see where you are coming from, but Lambo was absolutely pivotal, without him it wouldn't have done much at all - he contributed to to 58 of our 85 league goals! (scoring 36 - assisting 22) (i'd say 50% of those were hoofed, rather than passing moves as well) Morgon did well for us last season and i stand by the fact that i believe we'll be weaker without him, but i still don't put Morgan above rickie in-terms of his overall contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Every player has his price and if we were to get an offer for Morgan that was to good to turn down, I would say good luck to the lad and thats. LBH there are other midfield players out there that are as good as him that we could attract. Like who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Ties in with what I heard (and posted on the HCDAJFU thread) the other day, that a number of French clubs are looking at him. Couldn't see him going for £1m though, that's a paltry sum considering we paid £1.2m for him and he's a key, key player in our side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I'm amazed at those that don't realise what a good player Schneiderlin is! Along with Lallana they have by far the best chance of making it in a top flight side. He certainly wouldn't leave for £1m so this story is clearly rubbish to start with. With his contract not ending until 2012 they can turn down any offer they don't like. Of course if he wants to move he wil move but 2 years on a contract and a big financhial backer means Saints can turn down offers until it reaches an acceptable level. £1m is no where near high enough. The voice of reason, those who think other players are better how do you judge them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatlesaint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 If Morgan goes, we will not win the league. We might be luck to reach the play offs. I cannot remember us having one fantastic performance while he wasn't in the team last season. It was like there was no midfield, just defence to strikers. I see what you are saying BUT you are basing that on what we currently have or had last season. If AP goes out and gets a couple of good central midfield players then who knows what may happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I can't see us replacing Schneiderlin, we'd just end up with another player in the Hammond mould which would force us to play a far more direct style like in the JPT final. If we're going to progress we need to keep hold of our best young players and Schneiderlin is one of those players. Offer him a pay rise so he's at a similar level to Davis, Fonte and Lambert. Should probably do the same with Lallana, securing the future of those two should be our main priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintwarwick Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Be absolutely gutted if he left, just loved watching him play, expect him to move on at some time but just give us one more season Morgan please. I love watching him play as well but I think mine is for his footballing skills rather than your reasons :smile: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I can't see us replacing Schneiderlin, we'd just end up with another player in the Hammond mould which would force us to play a far more direct style like in the JPT final. If we're going to progress we need to keep hold of our best young players and Schneiderlin is one of those players. Offer him a pay rise so he's at a similar level to Davis, Fonte and Lambert. Should probably do the same with Lallana, securing the future of those two should be our main priority. Agreed, i'm not sure who people think we can replace him with?? Some fans just seem too relaxed that he'll be easy-peasy to replace and we'll be fine. In the league we're in no one can replace him. So you're spot on, I'd offer him a new contract ASAP, as it was an original lowe contract he was on with relegation clauses he's probably only on around 1k p/w! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 anybody with an example of him dominating a game? I haven't seen any examples yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 anybody with an example of him dominating a game? I haven't seen any examples yet Milwall at home - easily our best player that day. Southend away - Probably his best performance. Huddersfield home Wallsall away Just off the top of my head, plenty of other MOTM performances along the way. Basically does a lot more than Hammond and he's six years younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 I expect he is getting a lot of dosh with us - whereas only the top teams in france can afford top wages and St Etienne are not one of those. I will believe it when it is reported in L'Equipe not the Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 anybody with an example of him dominating a game? I haven't seen any examples yet Do you go to games or have you ever played football at any level? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Do you go to games or have you ever played football at any level? Don't! Don't ask him that question, you'll set him off again! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Milwall at home - easily our best player that day. Southend away - Probably his best performance. Huddersfield home Wallsall away Just off the top of my head, plenty of other MOTM performances along the way. Basically does a lot more than Hammond and he's six years younger. He was very good in those games, but I wouldn't say he was THE stand out player. Only 20% of people seem to agree with you regarding the Millwall game: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15678 My oppinion of Schneiderlin is: Good player - Definitely One of our best - Definitely The Best player - No Irreplaceable - Definitely not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scotty Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Of course, if the owners have enough money not to care about taking a hit then they can play hard ball... Kick up a fuss son and you can spend the next 2 years training alone without a game. From what we've seen of Cortese so far, it wouldn't suprise me. either that, or the old "waking up next to a horse's head" ploy........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 He was very good in those games, but I wouldn't say he was THE stand out player. Only 20% of people seem to agree with you regarding the Millwall game: http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?t=15678 My oppinion of Schneiderlin is: Good player - Definitely One of our best - Definitely The Best player - No Irreplaceable - Definitely not. I think that poll is flawed - I meant voting Murty, Thomas etc is just ridiculous. Southend especially he was top draw, very unlucky not to win a penalty and even in the terrible conditions he really bossed the game. I do agree with the part in bold, but I would add an extra line. Player with the most potential - Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chez Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 (edited) Milwall at home - easily our best player that day. Southend away - Probably his best performance. Huddersfield home Wallsall away Just off the top of my head, plenty of other MOTM performances along the way. Basically does a lot more than Hammond and he's six years younger. add MK Dons away to that list, a game in which he was nigh on perfect. Anyone that thinks it would be easy to find an as good replacement, even with the £2.5m, is kidding themselves. There are very few players of Morgans quality in this league and we have two of them in the squad already. There maybe better players out there but how many if any are willing to drop a division? Centre midfield is critical and if he goes it will leave a gaping hole in our midfield. Edited 31 May, 2010 by Chez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 add MK Dons away to that list, a game in which he was nigh on perfect. Anyone that thinks it would be easy to find an as good replacement, even with the £2.5m, is kidding themselves. There are very few players of Morgans quality in this league and we have two of them in the squad already. There maybe better players out there but how many if any are willing to drop a division? Centre midfield is critical and if he goes it will leave a gaping hole in our midfield. I would disagree with that too. That was a sh*t game really, which was only three oportunistic goals (one of which was brilliant) different from the trip to Wycombe a couple of weeks before. Thought Morgan was pretty average and the only mention I could find of him in the match report was when he got booked. I'm not saying he had a bad game, but I don't see how anyone can call that performance perfect. One of his best performances I can remeber was the 2-2 league draw, against Norwich I think. It was the game Connolly scored a cracker anyway. Millwall was a good performance, but he made that dodgy pass to give away a penalty and seemed to lose it after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Anyone who thinks that Schneiderlin wouldn't be a big loss is clearly mental - watch Southend away and then watch a game when we didn't have him, the difference will be astounding. The way that we turned over Huddersfield at home (5-0) was mostly down to his play, being able to pick out a pass and create chances out of nothing. Without him, in say, the Yeovil away game (1-0, 93rd minute goal), we struggled for most of the game and were outplayed for a solid 45 minutes in the second half. Some might say that was down to the pitch, but that's not really an excuse as it was one of the last games of the season and we'd played on pitches like that already at Stockport, Exeter, Wycombe etc. Morgan gives us creativity in midfield, his game has been vastly improved this season compared to last and he's now an absolutely vital part of our team. Without the likes of Harding, Lallana, Schneiderlin and Lambert, we would be nowhere near L1 title challengers. I can't think of any players that are as good as him that would a) Drop to L1 level and b) Be as affordable as he is, as he's on far less than Lambert and Connolly for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFC Forever Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 Ties in with what I heard (and posted on the HCDAJFU thread) the other day, that a number of French clubs are looking at him. Couldn't see him going for £1m though, that's a paltry sum considering we paid £1.2m for him and he's a key, key player in our side. He is good but not irreplaceable. He is though at least twice the player that we bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musesaint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 We are a poorer team when he's not on the field and I can't see any price we are likely to get being worth selling him on ..I was there when Morgan scored .....and I expect to see more goals from him next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smirking_Saint Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 add MK Dons away to that list, a game in which he was nigh on perfect. Anyone that thinks it would be easy to find an as good replacement, even with the £2.5m, is kidding themselves. There are very few players of Morgans quality in this league and we have two of them in the squad already. There maybe better players out there but how many if any are willing to drop a division? Centre midfield is critical and if he goes it will leave a gaping hole in our midfield. This again. Anyone who doesn't see him as our best and most influential player is missing something IMO. I honestly think that putting him in a team of better players will also make him much better aswell. I watched the Toulouse tournament ?? I think it was that one. He was phenominal and easily France's under 20's best player in the game i watched and scored a cracker. He is 20, is argueably more influential then Lambert and we won't replace him at this level. End of story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperMikey Posted 31 May, 2010 Share Posted 31 May, 2010 He is good but not irreplaceable. He is though at least twice the player that we bought. He's irreplaceable at this level. If we were in the Prem, it would be a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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