Dyer to Sheffield United

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Yes but you have to take that attitude that if he's not good enough for Ipswich he's not good enough for us.There is a difference between the CCC and League 1. I'd rather have young and learning than old and fading.

 

Someone like Wotten then.

 

From what i saw on tuesday there didn't seem to be alot of difference between the championship and div 2.

[Window Cleaner]

Pathetic.

 

You'd sooner have a player farmed out around the lower leagues that an expericenced player in one of the positions that we are in most need.

 

Well yes. The Ipswich guy has been on loan at Brighton a few times, he's sort of a permanent loan I think. It is my opinion (which you are certainly not going to agree with) that we need a really sharp striker. I've no time for Dyer so why not get what we can for him.Brighton seem to be taking a lot of players on loan. If Crouch had appointed Micky Adams instead of Pearson perhaps we'd be getting some of them, right here,right now.I wouldn't want to hasard a guess at whether Lowe would have kept Adams on, but Pearson-tapped up by Milan, probably on serious money we couldn't even think about affording, he has a track record of it does Milan..

[Guest Hacienda]

Well yes. The Ipswich guy has been on loan at Brighton a few times, he's sort of a permanent loan I think. It is my opinion (which you are certainly not going to agree with) that we need a really sharp striker. I've no time for Dyer so why not get what we can for him.Brighton seem to be taking a lot of players on loan. If Crouch had appointed Micky Adams instead of Pearson perhaps we'd be getting some of them, right here,right now.I wouldn't want to hasard a guess at whether Lowe would have kept Adams on, but Pearson-tapped up by Milan, probably on serious money we couldn't even think about affording, he has a track record of it does Milan..

 

So Stern didn't score a hatfull last season but DM starts because Lowe told him he was first choice?

 

We don't need a striker, we already have one but he doesn't get played.

 

What we need, which has been obvious since preseason, is full backs.

[AndyNorthernSaints]

So Stern didn't score a hatfull last season but DM starts because Lowe told him he was first choice?

 

We don't need a striker, we already have one but he doesn't get played.

 

What we need, which has been obvious since preseason, is full backs.

 

Nail on head. I wish we had someone running the club who knew something about football :-(

[JustMike]

dont understand this one. Ok loan out Dyer if you must but why not try and loan a more experienced player, ideally a defender?

[Window Cleaner]

dont understand this one. Ok loan out Dyer if you must but why not try and loan a more experienced player, ideally a defender?

 

Perhaps that's in the pipe-line.:smt063

[SaintRobbie]

OK... we have about 7 players who could be ok at CCC level, the rest are League 1 or 2 at best....

 

Skacel

John

Killer

Perry

Schniederlin

Lalana

Dyer

 

.... so if you're Lowe what would you do if your team were in the relegation zone and showing signs of getting worse rather than better...

 

yes!

 

You put out Dyer on loan!!

 

Genius Lowe...our very own on the cheap Director of Football and business legend.

 

Also... of course... while you're at it:

 

1. You insist on Your Cloggy-Cliffordesque bluffer coach plays David McNopace instead of Stern John.

 

2. Disallow Skacel's inclusion due to appearance fees.

 

3. Allow your clueless coach to play Killer in an unimportant match thus potentially ruling him out until January.

 

4. Allow your clueless coach to only play sneiderlin for 70 mins at most when he's clearly a decent player... mind you, you wouldnt want to burn him out before selling him to Arsenal afterall.

 

5. Let your clueless coach leave Perry on the bench and play more children who get themselves sent off.

 

6. Wait for a better bid before selling Lalanna.

 

...and people think RedKrapp was a plant? Agent Lowe come back to Pompey, job almost complete.

 

I wonder what Armstrong and Miller would have to say about Wilde, Lowe and JP....?

 

"KILL THEM!"

[CHAPEL END CHARLIE]

He is utter garbage, why are people so bothered about him?

 

He is and I'm not .

[St Marco]

I have no idea what Dyer is/was earning but I find it hard to believe that, if Strachan was interested, Dyer would have signed a new contract wth us. He was a free agent and could have gone for a fairly small compensation amount. The fact that he didn't indicates there were no takers. We signed him so that if there ever were any takers we'd get a fee or on the off chance that he would turn into a decent player.

 

Naturally some of the clubs he was linked to is ********, it is something that happens daily. However in this instance i fail to believe a single club was not interested in him. I could be wrong here but i would guess another reason better clubs didn't come in for him was because they might have had to pay compensation. If Leon Best comp was set at £650k then i could imagine Dyer's would be simmilar. And it was widely reported Strachan was interested in him, the question is was it just rumour like so much these days or fact? Guess were never know.

[um pahars]

Don't have a problem with Dyer going as I have never rated him. I'm not even convinced we should have wasted a few months wages on him.

 

Not overly enamoured by this new guy.

 

Firstly I'm not sure we need another forward (we have quite a good one in Stern John not getting a start) as other areas are in need of strengthening.

 

Secondly, I think we should be looking for experience, not another youngster.

 

As for quality, I suppose we shouldn't be that concerned if he's not that good, after all he's a swap for Dire (sorry, Dyer), but the fact that Jan was looking at bringing him over to play in the Dutch Second Division probably says enough.

[Andy_Porter]

Why on earth do we need another striker? If I was Pekhart of John I'd be really ****ed off right now.

[Ponty]

Good God. Reading some of this thread it's like the last few months never happened!

 

I remember:

 

"If he's found guilty he should never play for the club again!"

"I'll never support a criminal playing for my club!"

"The club should make them stand on the pitch with a microphone and apologise!"

"He's crap!"

"There's no end product!"

"He can't cross!"

"He can't get past anyone!"

"He always cuts on the inside!"

"He's predictable!"

"He's rubbish!"

"He wanted to leave, let him rot in the reserves!"

etc....

 

Now he's the best thing since sliced bread. Word to you all, he's shyte. He's not another Theo. The best thing all round is if David McGoaldrought follows him out the door.

 

IMO

[rocknrollman no2]

Im glad Dyer is out on loan.

IMO hes done nothing since scoring against Watford last season.

Hopefully he will learn to curb his attitude and maybe even how not to get pushed off the ball so easily.

[simo]

Imo the biggest reason hes gone on loan is "Option to buy in january"!

[alpine_saint]

I find it hard to understand after your posts of a few days ago that Dyer was no good and should not play again now that SFC have loaned him out it does not meet with your approval.

 

Or are all decisions made by Lowe and Wilde wrong.?

 

To be honest, its a toughie. I dont feel like enough was done to bring him back in line on one hand (our manager should be able to motivate), and I dont like loans to fellow CCC teams, but on the other hand, he has been truly shiite. I've only ever seen one good game from Dyer, and that was the monsoon game against Leicester nearly two years ago (and he went off injured).

 

What tipped the balance for me was knowing a player was coming the other way.

 

Though I've no doubt it is a make-weight to some degree and JP hasnt got a clue about him because Lowe agreed to it..

[Greenridge]

 

The best thing all round is if David McGoaldrought follows him out the door.

 

IMO

 

I hope not Ponty. Plenty of posters have assured us he will bag 20+ goals this season.

[dubai_phil]

Why on earth do we need another striker? If I was Pekhart of John I'd be really ****ed off right now.

 

Watch the revolving door mate

 

IMHO

 

Sheff U had a striker

 

Wonder who has a winger? and wants an expensive proven goalscorer

 

next

[Amesbury Saint]

with so many players in and out over the last 2 seasons I cannot get excited about any Saints transfer / loan news

[stknowle]

Really cannot believe this one. Not in the least bit bothered about Dyer going away, never rated him. BUT WTF is going on with a club that (re)signs a player on a full time contract (thereby indicating they want him at the club) then loans him out to a team in the same division barely 2 months later? It's either bizarre management (chairmanship?) or our financial situation is deteriorating so rapidly that the modest plans that were deamed affordable at the start of the season are now unaffordable.

 

Either way our club is a total and utter mess.

[dubai_phil]

Really cannot believe this one. Not in the least bit bothered about Dyer going away, never rated him. BUT WTF is going on with a club that (re)signs a player on a full time contract (thereby indicating they want him at the club) then loans him out to a team in the same division barely 2 months later? It's either bizarre management (chairmanship?) or our financial situation is deteriorating so rapidly that the modest plans that were deamed affordable at the start of the season are now unaffordable.

 

Either way our club is a total and utter mess.

 

Simple maths and finance. If he had not signed a contract he was a free agent and could go anywhere for next to nothing.

 

This way he has gone to Sheff Utd for

 

oh

 

next to nothing

 

Although we have gained a squad player so you could say we got value, also there is the possibility that IF he does ok up there they will want to buy him for real money = after all this is a classic Rupe's deal - Dyer goes there just as they are about to come into 30million quid.....

 

Wait for Scooby to tell us how clever the maestro is

[stknowle]

Simple maths and finance. If he had not signed a contract he was a free agent and could go anywhere for next to nothing.

 

This way he has gone to Sheff Utd for

 

oh

 

next to nothing

 

Although we have gained a squad player so you could say we got value, also there is the possibility that IF he does ok up there they will want to buy him for real money = after all this is a classic Rupe's deal - Dyer goes there just as they are about to come into 30million quid.....

 

Wait for Scooby to tell us how clever the maestro is

 

All valid points DP. Too ****ed to contribute a credible response but I can't believe it was a plan to sign him then loan him to the first enquirer, especially one from the same division as us. Also why didn't SU sign him him for nothing 2 months ago when he was out of contract?

[L1Minus10]

the fact that Jan was looking at bringing him over to play in the Dutch Second Division probably says enough.

 

Do you think that's a fact. I think that's complete BS. "Here you go Jan, say this so it makes it look like your signing". Maybe I'm being over cynical but I bet I'm not.

[Mole]

Do you think that's a fact. I think that's complete BS. "Here you go Jan, say this so it makes it look like your signing". Maybe I'm being over cynical but I bet I'm not.

 

Just what i was thinking. How convenient is it that Sheff Utd want Dyer and just happen to have a player to swop that Portvliet watched whilst he was manager of some Dutch mickey mouse club. Quite frankly i don't believe a word that comes out of St Marys.

[a1ex2001]

I love the saints, but I dsiapare at how far we've fallen. I remember not so long ago being pround to be a saints fan now I'm just shocked and bemused. I log on looking for a pre-view of this weekends game and discover yet another bizare transfer, we need a nother striker like we need a hole in the head.

 

Portaloo out!! it's time for a real manager if he's not making the decisons surely a real man would have jacked it in already, if we don't show some balls soon this club will disapear without trace.

[aintforever]

Just what i was thinking. How convenient is it that Sheff Utd want Dyer and just happen to have a player to swop that Portvliet watched whilst he was manager of some Dutch mickey mouse club. Quite frankly i don't believe a word that comes out of St Marys.

 

About as believable as this ****e that was on the OS about a month ago...

 

Nathan Dyer has revealed the club's new coaching set-up was the key factor in his decision to sign a new contract.

The England Under 19 international had been stalling on a new deal while he waited to assess the recent changes at the club.

 

But the pacy winger is delighted with what he has seen from Jan Poortvliet and his coaching team and he is hugely excited about the new campaign.

He said: "I never wanted to leave the club but I had to make sure it was right to stay.

 

"I am only 20 but already I have had a lot of managers and a lot of chairmen and I wanted to make sure the set-up was right.

"Rupert Lowe has come back as chairman and I like what he has had to say about the club and the way he wants to take it forward.

 

"The philosophy of exciting attacking football with young players will suit me and I am really looking forward to being involved.

"I needed to see what the new manager was all about and what style he wanted to play and I have been very impressed by what I have seen.

 

"It all looks very exciting. He wants to play with wingers and with young players and he wants to play fast, exciting and attacking football.

"That is ideal for me and the future is really bright so I am delighted to be part of it.

 

"I never said I did not want to stay here but with so many changes I had to be sure it was right and that is why it has taken a while to get it all sorted.

"But I am delighted it has all been done and now I can focus on preparing for the new season and trying to win back my place.

 

"That won't be easy because there is a lot of competition with Lee Holmes coming in and Bradley doing well on the right and other young players coming through too.

"But that can only be good for the club and I am very excited about the way things are shaping up."

[stknowle]

'I never wanted to leave, and simply could not wait to sign a new contract (once it became clear that nobody else wanted me, and I therfore had no other option)'

[Secret Site Agent]

Nice bit of business by Lowe. Dire player shipped off our wage book. There's no down side here.

 

Nothing to do with Lowe in any way shape or form

[ottery st mary]

Just what i was thinking. How convenient is it that Sheff Utd want Dyer and just happen to have a player to swop that Portvliet watched whilst he was manager of some Dutch mickey mouse club. Quite frankly i don't believe a word that comes out of St Marys.

 

Has he mentioned any others he looked at on behalf of Helmond or any other club he was connected with in Holland?

Why would he be looking at this particular player? Did the clubs he coached have any agreement with English clubs...swop/loan arrangements?

What had he achieved to bring to the attention of JP...England youth u16/u18

or similar? Why has he not mentioned him pre season or attempted to bring him before. Now would appear to be a strange time.

 

JP is this true or has Lowey put this on you again? Where is there any evidence...ie Dutch local paper in Helmond or wherever quoting his interest in this player or any other English youth player? WHERE IS saint Martini when you need him.

I wait to be convinced.. I look forward to seeing Robertson, Gasmi and Pulis regularly play in the team. One out of three will even be acceptable if that one enhances the team...Or we are further up the garden path than JP and us supporters realised.

[saint_ed]

Pretty concerned about this if I'm honest. While Dyer hasn't played well so far this season, I see this loan as getting him out the club until such time as we can sell him. He is the only player in our squad with proper pace and Jake Thomson is just not ready for first team football yet.

[sun of spain]

Like the way Kevin Blackwell said he expects him to make an immediate impact! Must be going clubbing tonight!

 

The only impact he will make is when he runs into the fullback,or hits the corner flag !!

[sun of spain]

About as believable as this ****e that was on the OS about a month ago...

 

Nathan Dyer has revealed the club's new coaching set-up was the key factor in his decision to sign a new contract. The England Under 19 international had been stalling on a new deal while he waited to assess the recent changes at the club.

 

But the pacy winger is delighted with what he has seen from Jan Poortvliet and his coaching team and he is hugely excited about the new campaign.

He said: "I never wanted to leave the club but I had to make sure it was right to stay.

"I am only 20 but already I have had a lot of managers and a lot of chairmen and I wanted to make sure the set-up was right.

"Rupert Lowe has come back as chairman and I like what he has had to say about the club and the way he wants to take it forward.

"The philosophy of exciting attacking football with young players will suit me and I am really looking forward to being involved.

"I needed to see what the new manager was all about and what style he wanted to play and I have been very impressed by what I have seen.

"It all looks very exciting. He wants to play with wingers and with young players and he wants to play fast, exciting and attacking football.

"That is ideal for me and the future is really bright so I am delighted to be part of it."I never said I did not want to stay here but with so many changes I had to be sure it was right and that is why it has taken a while to get it all sorted.

"But I am delighted it has all been done and now I can focus on preparing for the new season and trying to win back my place.

 

"That won't be easy because there is a lot of competition with Lee Holmes coming in and Bradley doing well on the right and other young players coming through too.

"But that can only be good for the club and I am very excited about the way things are shaping up."

 

 

 

All just total bull...t and spin by the OS,are they using the Labour Party's Spin Doctors to pull the wool over our eyes ?

[Johnny Shearer]

Anyone else notice that Dyer went downhill when we signed up BWP? I think the lad got his head turned by him.

 

Or is that just me coming up with pap?

[OldNick]

Well im told they have the option to purchase.His head has gone as the abuse from fans and so he has been allowed to go out on loan with a view to leave. Whether we as fans were right its hard to say, he had been dealt with by the courts (I notice Carlton Cole got a good reception saturday) but a lot of fans gave him a rough time.

Had it been Lallana would we have had the same morals? I doubt it, and hope we dont have to find out.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

Watch the revolving door mate

 

IMHO

 

Sheff U had a striker

 

Wonder who has a winger? and wants an expensive proven goalscorer

 

next

 

 

I had you down as one who was supportive of the experiment with youth.

Have you become as cynical about it as this post suggests?

[Saint Martini]

OK... we have about 7 players who could be ok at CCC level, the rest are League 1 or 2 at best....

 

Skacel

John

Killer

Perry

Schniederlin

Lalana

Dyer

 

.... so if you're Lowe what would you do if your team were in the relegation zone and showing signs of getting worse rather than better...

 

yes!

 

You put out Dyer on loan!!

 

Genius Lowe...our very own on the cheap Director of Football and business legend.

 

Also... of course... while you're at it:

 

1. You insist on Your Cloggy-Cliffordesque bluffer coach plays David McNopace instead of Stern John.

 

2. Disallow Skacel's inclusion due to appearance fees.

 

3. Allow your clueless coach to play Killer in an unimportant match thus potentially ruling him out until January.

 

4. Allow your clueless coach to only play sneiderlin for 70 mins at most when he's clearly a decent player... mind you, you wouldnt want to burn him out before selling him to Arsenal afterall.

 

5. Let your clueless coach leave Perry on the bench and play more children who get themselves sent off.

 

6. Wait for a better bid before selling Lalanna.

 

...and people think RedKrapp was a plant? Agent Lowe come back to Pompey, job almost complete.

 

I wonder what Armstrong and Miller would have to say about Wilde, Lowe and JP....?

 

 

"KILL THEM!"

 

First of all, Surman and Holmes (to name two) are not CCC material and Dyer is? Dyer hasn't played a decent match all season.

 

1. Maybe DMG hasn't been performing as he should have but neither has John in the (limited) chances he's had. Maybe John should play, maybe Pekhart, maybe that new guy or maybe DMG but to say that John has to start is a bit OTT. That would just be based on last season in a different formation.

 

2. Skacel's exclusion is bewildering but I doubt if its down to the appearance fees, the club have even gone out and denied that allegation.

 

3. Maybe he wanted to test Killer before giving him another runout in the CCC. Especially after his dissapointing performance against Blackpool. Besides that I believe Killer said he could play, what's a coach supposed to do then? Not believe the player?

 

4. Scheiderlin has been injured and it looked like he went off with a knock again. Seems sensible to me to take him of at 2-0 to make sure he doesn't aggravate any injury he might have.

 

5. A bit of pace at CB (and height) doesn't hurt anyone. Lancashire made a stupid mistake against QPR but he played well against Doncaster. But he is a better partner for Wotton then Perry IMHO.

 

6. So what exactely are you blaming Lowe here for? Not selling Lallana? Because in my opinion he was right to reject the bid. If he's sold later for more money we'll have to wait and see but lets just wait until that happens before we start blaming him for doing that.

 

All in all, although you raise some valid points about team selection your arguments are not very well thought through in my opinion. Any choice that turns out wrong is a blunder and even if the right choice is made (taking Scheiderlin off for instance) you still manage to twist it to fir your argument.