Dyer to Sheffield United

[saintbob40]

Didn't the Skates try and sign Musampa's brother Kris ;-)

 

No but they're taking a long look at that Dutch international everybody is raving about...Salford Van-Hire.

 

Any more bad jokes.....?

[St Marco]

Not a bad thing IMO he doesnt want to be here and hasnt really showed any form of late, rather see an academy player be given a chance.

 

Indeed. It is a shame as Michal Dolinajec or Oscar Gobern could of been given the same chance.

 

I dislike Dyer, think he is a truely awful player that has 1 attribute and that is pace. BUT in this instance i wonder why we have swapped him for a striker. Scoring goals is not our problem, it is creating the chances to score from, especially clear cut ones. Adding a striker who from what i hear from my United friend is very injury prone and might be injured now does not make sense. In fact it reminds me of when Burley went striker loopy when we needed defenders badly.

 

Plus why did we give Dyer a rumoured new 8k-10k a week contract if he was not happy here? Or why did he accept it? As you mention the games he has played he has looked awful, a player with zero confidence and just doesnt look interested. Maybe a period away from the club might do him some good, get him away from the wana play gangster element he has found himself in and get his head down and re-find the player he was a season or 2 ago.

 

As for Jordan i appreciate JP's remarks but he is looking more and more like a puppet for Lowe with each passing day.

[VectisSaint]

Not sure why anyone is upset about Dyer leaving. I don't recall many that had anything good to say. I think JP gives a clue on the OS when he says we are geting someone who is motivated, read between the lines, Dyer is demotivated, as we could all see.

 

Agreed we would rather have got a CM or FB in, but on the face of it Dyer going is no loss at all, good riddance.

 

It could be of course that JP's plans will be to have no wide players, but to have the two advanced MFs playing narrower and putting balls to the striker(s) feet rather than crosses from the byline, which our forwards have proved they are not good at converting. I can see Surman and BWP or McG being played LM and RM.

[scooby]

Radio Solent reports Dyer off to Sheffield United on loan

 

Nice bit of business by Lowe. Dire player shipped off our wage book. There's no down side here.

[Window Cleaner]

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Plus why did we give Dyer a rumoured new 8k-10k a week contract puppet for Lowe with each passing day.

 

 

 

That is straight out of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, people like to bandy impressive sounding weekly wages about, it seems to boost their personal estimation of their personal kudos. Dyer would have been getting, on his new contract, say 4K tops, perhaps a bit more on goals and performances.

Lowe is known to have laughed seriously good players and managers out of the door because of their overated opinion of their worth.He wouldn't have given a little waster like Dyer the time of day at 8-10 k a week. Dyer signed because he had no other offers-probable fact.

[Scummer]

I think JP gives a clue on the OS when he says we are geting someone who is motivated, read between the lines, Dyer is demotivated, as we could all see.

 

So basically we have a manager who can't motivate people? That would explain why performances have tailed off so much I suppose.

[St Marco]

That is straight out of Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory, people like to bandy impressive sounding weekly wages about, it seems to boost their personal estimation of their personal kudos. Dyer would have been getting, on his new contract, say 4K tops, perhaps a bit more on goals and performances.

Lowe is known to have laughed seriously good players and managers out of the door because of their overated opinion of their worth.He wouldn't have given a little waster like Dyer the time of day at 8-10 k a week. Dyer signed because he had no other offers-probable fact.

 

Well i got my figure from the media when they went to court

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/03/10/why-are-our-footballers-so-stupid-89520-20346452/

 

Of course the media are wrong most of the time. But the point which clearly went above your head is not the actual figure of the contract but the fact a new contract was signed. It could be 50p a week and the point would remain the same. But just to bury your point of view a little more i actually know someone in the club and know for 100% fact he used to be on a 4k deal which he supposedly signed only 2 seasons ago (granted he was doin better then). Add to that it is common knowledge he rejected 2 "increased" offers from the club. After the second he was not allowed to train with the first team. Now ask yourself do you really really think they would of offered him the same 4k deal he was already on? And if they had would he have accepted it? Obviously not. Add to this fact other clubs were supposedly interested in him with the main one being Strachan at Celtic saying he was interested. Of course you probably already knew that.

So if you look at it your see my comments had foundations that are common knowledge. But it will be interesting to hear where yours come from?

[Window Cleaner]

Well i got my figure from the media when they went to court

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/03/10/why-are-our-footballers-so-stupid-89520-20346452/

 

Of course the media are wrong most of the time. But the point which clearly went above your head is not the actual figure of the contract but the fact a new contract was signed. It could be 50p a week and the point would remain the same. But just to bury your point of view a little more i actually know someone in the club and know for 100% fact he used to be on a 4k deal which he supposedly signed only 2 seasons ago (granted he was doin better then). Add to that it is common knowledge he rejected 2 "increased" offers from the club. After the second he was not allowed to train with the first team. Now ask yourself do you really really think they would of offered him the same 4k deal he was already on? And if they had would he have accepted it? Obviously not. Add to this fact other clubs were supposedly interested in him with the main one being Strachan at Celtic saying he was interested. Of course you probably already knew that.

So if you look at it your see my comments had foundations that are common knowledge. But it will be interesting to hear where yours come from?

 

Have it your own way then.Nathan Dyer was never ever earning 8K a week with Southampton FC, doesn't matter what you, your friends or the Daily Mirror might say. You know you're right of course, what does reality have to do with it.

[Long Shot]

Nice bit of business by Lowe. Dire player shipped off our wage book. There's no down side here.

 

And yet it was Rupert who put him on our wage book in the first place. One week at Bammall Lane will be enough for Blackwell to realise he is crap.

[eelpie]

This is another piece of daft interfering by Lowe (if it was Lowe who was responsible as scooby says).

 

Dyer is no further away from being the perfect article than most of our squad. Whatever Dyer's faults, he gives the team pace and ENERGY, which is getting to be a scarce commodity. He should have been given a run. He very nearly scored the winner against Ipswich, which shows what he is capable of.

[St Marco]

Have it your own way then.Nathan Dyer was never ever earning 8K a week with Southampton FC, doesn't matter what you, your friends or the Daily Mirror might say. You know you're right of course, what does reality have to do with it.

 

Well the evidence thus far points to you talking ****. The fact of the matter is only he knows how much he is on and those he has told. You can't claim that he is not on 8k a week and preach everyone is wrong simply because you say so. That is hypocritical. Back it up with reasons as to why he isn't, don't just insult people you baby. Reality is i can assure you he will be earning a lot closer to 8k a week then your estimated 4k.

[qwertySFC]

No but they're taking a long look at that Dutch international everybody is raving about...Salford Van-Hire.

 

Any more bad jokes.....?

 

 

I thought that Jan was looking at these 2 short term prospects as they are available for loans...as they sort of predict his pending out come.....maybe Jan has read some thing in to their names .....

 

Arhavebin Fayed and Bybieeve Rhibodie

[eelpie]

So basically we have a manager who can't motivate people? That would explain why performances have tailed off so much I suppose.

 

Exactly.

 

Lowe's biggest mistake was in not renewing Pearson's contract. He was a great motivator here.

[trousers]

Nice bit of business by Lowe. Dire player shipped off our wage book. There's no down side here.

 

I hereby declare this the first ever post by Scooby not to get a bite.

 

It's official.

[Professor]

Exactly. Lowe's biggest mistake was in not renewing Pearson's contract. He was a great motivator here.

Rose-tinted glasses. Pearson motivated the team to bottom place in the table, motivated them to lose a crucial home game against Burnley and watched other team's results save us on the last afternoonh. Not that good a record, really, and no evidence about JP's motivational skill's - afterall he may be trying to motivate a team that has too many players who are just not good enough.

[JohnnyFartPants]

I hereby declare this the first ever post by Scooby not to get a bite.

 

It's official.

 

There seems no point in really biting directly to his comments any more. Everything he writes seems to be about congratulating Lowe regardless of facts. If Lowe took a dump he would see it as positive for SFC.

[Scummer]

If Lowe took a dump he would see it as positive for SFC.

 

It would be a positive. We save up all our staff effluent, and use it as fertiliser. Cost saving at it's most basic.

[itchen]

Well i got my figure from the media when they went to court

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2008/03/10/why-are-our-footballers-so-stupid-89520-20346452/

 

Of course the media are wrong most of the time. But the point which clearly went above your head is not the actual figure of the contract but the fact a new contract was signed. It could be 50p a week and the point would remain the same. But just to bury your point of view a little more i actually know someone in the club and know for 100% fact he used to be on a 4k deal which he supposedly signed only 2 seasons ago (granted he was doin better then). Add to that it is common knowledge he rejected 2 "increased" offers from the club. After the second he was not allowed to train with the first team. Now ask yourself do you really really think they would of offered him the same 4k deal he was already on? And if they had would he have accepted it? Obviously not. Add to this fact other clubs were supposedly interested in him with the main one being Strachan at Celtic saying he was interested. Of course you probably already knew that.

So if you look at it your see my comments had foundations that are common knowledge. But it will be interesting to hear where yours come from?

 

I have no idea what Dyer is/was earning but I find it hard to believe that, if Strachan was interested, Dyer would have signed a new contract wth us. He was a free agent and could have gone for a fairly small compensation amount. The fact that he didn't indicates there were no takers. We signed him so that if there ever were any takers we'd get a fee or on the off chance that he would turn into a decent player.

[Stu Man Do]

Not a bad thing IMO he doesnt want to be here and hasnt really showed any form of late, rather see an academy player be given a chance.

 

Although I agree he hasnt set the world on fire this season he has looked the next best option to Holmes whilst we persist with not playing Skacel. I've seen nothing from any other player played on the wing this season to suggest there is anyone else deserving of a chance in the team. This has been compounded by the seemingly stupid move of loaning in an untried and hardly prolific striker in return ( 3 goals in 15 games for Northampton). The management are again showing a complete lack of long term thought. Seeing as JP has said we currently dont have enough wingers at least good ones, to play his system I should hope this finally leads to him having a go with a different system that our players will be happy with, 1 up front is just crappage!

 

Any chance of a decent CB or CM in now? oh whilst we're at it a LB and RB would be nice too!

[Saint_clark]

St Marco - just because they were in court at the time doesn't make that article any more reliable re. salaries etc.

[lumpofshipperley]

I justed wanted to say that there is no fricking way that Dyer is on 8-10k. No fricking way. Unless we're including the money he makes from his dirty thievery. Then maybe...

[DT]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Hasn't anyone in Sheffield seen him play? They must be out of their minds or just eager to spend some of that lovely Hammers lolly. Maybe he just was attracted to 'Blades', given his crim leanings...

[DT]

It would be a positive. We save up all our staff effluent, and use it as fertiliser. Cost saving at it's most basic.

I think it would drastically affect his bottom line.

[Saint_clark]

Good riddance to bad rubbish. Hasn't anyone in Sheffield seen him play? They must be out of their minds or just eager to spend some of that lovely Hammers lolly. Maybe he just was attracted to 'Blades', given his crim leanings...

 

I'd forgotten about that, hopefully they're already agreed a fee for around £1.5million.

[Rod Le Shearer]

Yep. More inspiration from Lowe and Poortvillet.

 

agreed. Portvliet complains he hasnt got enough fit wide players,and now he loans out the the one with the best potential..? madness. our style depends on fast wingers,and Nathan fits that bill even though he hasnt shown very much so far this season.

[VectisSaint]

So basically we have a manager who can't motivate people? That would explain why performances have tailed off so much I suppose.

Well that may be true, but I think Dyer was demotivated before JP, and there are some people who cannot be motivated. I wouldn't necessarily slag JP off on the basis that he cannot motivate the little turd. You could probably justifiably slag him off for other things but unable to motivate Dyer is a little harsh I think.

[Mole1]

Mick Channon always said so long as you score goals you've got a chance. We need goals so it's a good move imo.

[hughieslastminutegoal]

There seems no point in really biting directly to his comments any more. Everything he writes seems to be about congratulating Lowe regardless of facts. If Lowe took a dump he would see it as positive for SFC.

 

And having inspected it carefully, Scooby would be reporting his finding of gold nuggets therein.

[Mole1]

Rose-tinted glasses. Pearson motivated the team to bottom place in the table, motivated them to lose a crucial home game against Burnley and watched other team's results save us on the last afternoonh. Not that good a record, really, and no evidence about JP's motivational skill's - afterall he may be trying to motivate a team that has too many players who are just not good enough.

 

You're full of ****. Pearson was our third manager of the season. Remember what happened last time we did this stunt?

 

Turning round a team without passion and in freefall is never easy and it was always going to be touch and go. Pearson did the business.

[John B]

Yep. More inspiration from Lowe and Poortvillet.

 

I find it hard to understand after your posts of a few days ago that Dyer was no good and should not play again now that SFC have loaned him out it does not meet with your approval.

 

Or are all decisions made by Lowe and Wilde wrong.?

[Wade Garrett]

This is an appalling decision. Then again, so are most of the boardroom decisions made by Lowe and Wilde.

 

I honestly think that if Rupert Lowe ate babies, some on here would still defend him. Maybe justify his actions by saying the poulation is too high etc etc.

 

Just admit, he's no good.

[Window Cleaner]

This is an appalling decision. Then again, so are most of the boardroom decisions made by Lowe and Wilde.

 

I honestly think that if Rupert Lowe ate babies, some on here would still defend him. Maybe justify his actions by saying the poulation is too high etc etc.

 

Just admit, he's no good.

 

What getting shot of Dyer (albeit temporarily-he'll be back)?

How's that terrible then, he's not performing ,hence crap.

I don't doubt he was given 10 matches into the season to buckle down and now his come-uppance has arrived.I just hope that Sheff U are at least paying all of his salary, wouldn't doubt that they aren't-even if it is peanuts.

[Wade Garrett]

What getting shot of Dyer (albeit temporarily-he'll be back)?

How's that terrible then, he's not performing ,hence crap.

I don't doubt he was given 10 matches into the season to buckle down and now his come-uppance has arrived.I just hope that Sheff U are at least paying all of his salary, wouldn't doubt that they aren't-even if it is peanuts.

 

He's a winger. We haven't got many, less now Holmes is injured. He needs a run in the side. He would be better on the right than BWP or McGoldrick. He needs JP to be as patient with him as he has with Gillet, McGoldrick and James.

 

If he isn't rated at the club why did they give him a new contract?

[Give it to Ron]

I think most of us can understand getting shot of Dyer...its what he has been replaced with that baffles most of us I believe.

[egreog]

He is overrated and underperforming.....best rid of for good!

[Window Cleaner]

He's a winger. We haven't got many, less now Holmes is injured. He needs a run in the side. He would be better on the right than BWP or McGoldrick. He needs JP to be as patient with him as he has with Gillet, McGoldrick and James.

 

If he isn't rated at the club why did they give him a new contract?

 

Because they had to, doubt if they even wanted to. Probably made an offer when they thought he was worth something and he eventually accepted it after a few weeks of being ostracised.As I say elsewhere it's probably a very poor deal for him and he might have ASKED to be loaned out. We'll probably never know.Perhaps he has "attitude problems",some say he hasn't looked very interested. Perhaps Jan (or Rupert) called him in for his apparent lack of effort on Tuesday and it boiled up and loan deals were arranged very quickly. Happens in football.

[Wade Garrett]

Because they had to, doubt if they even wanted to. Probably made an offer when they thought he was worth something and he eventually accepted it after a few weeks of being ostracised.As I say elsewhere it's probably a very poor deal for him and he might have ASKED to be loaned out. We'll probably never know.Perhaps he has "attitude problems",some say he hasn't looked very interested. Perhaps Jan (or Rupert) called him in for his apparent lack of effort on Tuesday and it boiled up and loan deals were arranged very quickly. Happens in football.

 

Lots of perhaps in there.

 

Perhaps Lowe is clueless. Perhaps Lowe thinks we need another centre-forward.

[saintjay77]

I can understand Dyer going out on Loan as out of the 3 main possible situations that can come of it, 2 of them would benifit us but im as confused as everyone else as to why we have brought in a striker that Jan wanted to sign for his dutch 2nd division team and 1 that cant get into SU's team. We have 1 strikers position, Our midfield cant keep the ball, our full backs lack defensive qualities and our CB's lack speed.

 

Dish Chotall Footchball ish crayzsy.

[Guest Hacienda]

I think most of us can understand getting shot of Dyer...its what he has been replaced with that baffles most of us I believe.

 

Yep.

[ALWAYS_SFC]

With Holmes injured thats a wery strange move ..... Perhaps Skacel will play this weekend then ?

 

Nope it will be so the Blue eyed boy McGoldrick can play there,

because he`s a wide player isn`t he....

[Window Cleaner]

Lots of perhaps in there.

 

Perhaps Lowe is clueless. Perhaps Lowe thinks we need another centre-forward.

 

I say perhaps to intimate that these are my personal theories which may or may not be in tune with reality.Perhaps it's as stated, Jan is in charge of football, at least he's seen the lad (and that's reassuring).

[beatlesaint]

Dire player shipped off our wage book. There's no down side here.

 

Bloody hell, I had better lie down in a darkened room. This is the first time i have ever agreed with anything you have said !!! : - )

[AndyNorthernSaints]

Dyer has started one game this season.

 

Dyer was one of our best attacking players last season before injury.

 

If Skacel is not allowed to play and Holmes is injured Saints have no wingers apart from unproven youngsters.

 

Saints have 5 or 6 strikers now but only play one striker up front?

 

Saints will play 2 strikers out of position in wide positions again tomorrow resulting in no width and no crosses into the box.

 

Brighton can afford to get Ipswich's experienced left back Matt Richards on loan but Saints have no recognised fullbacks in the squad and no cover for central midfield.

[Guest Hacienda]

Dyer has started one game this season.

 

Dyer was one of our best attacking players last season before injury.

 

If Skacel is not allowed to play and Holmes is injured Saints have no wingers apart from unproven youngsters.

 

Saints have 5 or 6 strikers now but only play one striker up front?

 

Saints will play 2 strikers out of position in wide positions again tomorrow resulting in no width and no crosses into the box.

 

Brighton can afford to get Ipswich's experienced left back Matt Richards on loan but Saints have no recognised fullbacks in the squad and no cover for central midfield.

 

Don't worry, Lowe's revolution will prevail.

[Window Cleaner]

Dyer has started one game this season.

 

Dyer was one of our best attacking players last season before injury.

 

If Skacel is not allowed to play and Holmes is injured Saints have no wingers apart from unproven youngsters.

 

Saints have 5 or 6 strikers now but only play one striker up front?

 

Saints will play 2 strikers out of position in wide positions again tomorrow resulting in no width and no crosses into the box.

 

Brighton can afford to get Ipswich's experienced left back Matt Richards on loan but Saints have no recognised fullbacks in the squad and no cover for central midfield.

 

 

Yes but you have to take that attitude that if he's not good enough for Ipswich he's not good enough for us.There is a difference between the CCC and League 1. I'd rather have young and learning than old and fading.

[Wade Garrett]

I say perhaps to intimate that these are my personal theories which may or may not be in tune with reality.Perhaps it's as stated, Jan is in charge of football, at least he's seen the lad (and that's reassuring).

 

Perhaps not.

[Window Cleaner]

Perhaps not.

 

Toss a coin?

[offix]

Many on this board have taken to spelling Dyer's name as "Dire" so why be upset? he has the wrong attitude, so good it's nice to lighten the wages bill..

[Window Cleaner]

Many on this board have taken to spelling Dyer's name as "Dire" so why be upset? he has the wrong attitude, so good it's nice to lighten the wages bill..

 

Some cannot agree with that,whilst he's trying to play or is caught nicking stuff he is a kint, when we try to get rid of him, he's god (in waiting)

[Guest Hacienda]

Yes but you have to take that attitude that if he's not good enough for Ipswich he's not good enough for us.There is a difference between the CCC and League 1. I'd rather have young and learning than old and fading.

 

Pathetic.

 

You'd sooner have a player farmed out around the lower leagues that an expericenced player in one of the positions that we are in most need.