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saint1977

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Wilde and Lowe out! What was the point of the new contract? If he can't get into this Saints side, the worst in living memory and certainly post-WW2, his wages don't justify a £200k or so transfer fee. That money could have been used elsewhere, not to mention the waste on Forecast as well.

 

I've thought about this long and hard but I don't think I can go to SMS any more whilst Askham, Lowe and Wilde have a stake in SFC. I'm sorry if there's been any criticism from me in any way of those that have boycotted so far but I just feel that administration would even be a better option than these clowns and I never thought I'd say that. I won't support or watch anyone else but I just don't enjoy going to SMS anymore and the instability and infighting behind the scenes has got too much at last. I have enough of that at work! I think that a sub-10,000 gate for the Norwich gate would send a clear message to Wilde and co. that they need to go.

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Let him go and if we end up getting money its a bonus.

If by some miracle it improves his game and he comes back and does the business its a bonus.

In the meantime my choice would be Thomson, White or a loan like Teale.

 

Don't disagree with putting Thomson but my point is, why was Dyer given a new contract and why have Rupert Lowe and Wilde wasted valuable money (again)? Isn't time that they took responsiblity, particularly Wilde, and resigned?

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More likely and if it is, we are heading for administration v.shortly IMO.

 

Not convinced of that. If we're able to stick to the programme they dictate the bank are unlikely to pull the plug and risk a write off. Same goes for the mortgage on the stadium. Why take a %age of what they're owed when they can keep us breathing and get a %age every year.

 

It might even be that the bank wanted Dyer contracted to make the then wataway player a saleable asset. A good loan spell might even get us a fee for his registration as well as loan fee and wages out of the picture.

 

Or it might even be that getting him off the premises means we can afford a few appearance fees for some of the big earners.

 

Dunno, all speculation from me of course (until my euro-millions win tonight buys me a place on the board - and loses me a lot fo friends on here no doubt)

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Crap. If so, why did Wilde and Lowe waste £8k p/wk when we are skint on a new 3 year contract? Not to mention Forecast as well. Just admit Rupert has fouled up yet again.

 

Dyer on 8k a week, tell me you jest sir. We HAD to offer him a contract of some sort I think, otherwise he just walks away for free, no "formation compensation" no nothing.We probably offered him about 4K a week and as he couldn't get anything better he grudgingly accepted it.

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Don't disagree with putting Thomson but my point is, why was Dyer given a new contract and why have Rupert Lowe and Wilde wasted valuable money (again)? Isn't time that they took responsiblity, particularly Wilde, and resigned?

 

Maybe there wasnt the interest in him in the window and rather than letting him go for bugger all they signed him for a few more years. Thinking behind it may have been his tallent will come good and he will be worth more money. He was meant to be a hotter prospect than walcott when they were younger.

 

He obviously hasnt come good yet and maybe going out on loan will sort him out. e will either get back a better player or get a better fee for him or get him back as is and will have saved some money in the process.

 

Seems like a good idea to me based on the above but not such a good idea based on skacel not playing and holmes injured. Maybe Skacel will get a game or 2 if he goes?

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ottery st mary

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Don't disagree with putting Thomson but my point is, why was Dyer given a new contract and why have Rupert Lowe and Wilde wasted valuable money (again)? Isn't time that they took responsiblity, particularly Wilde, and resigned?

 

At one time he deseved to go to prison..My own opinion, even for a short time.

Given second chance and still a possible transfer fee on the horizon, therefore

contract that shows if he did play well any interested party would give a good fee for the bank.

Failing that there was always the hope that his potential may have been realised for our team benefit.. For me he has always flattered to deceive..

Roughly how the wife describes my anual performance on my birthday. She has just renewed my contract and taken me on for another year which goes to show senior management make some strange decisions regarding contracts.

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Not convinced of that. If we're able to stick to the programme they dictate the bank are unlikely to pull the plug and risk a write off. Same goes for the mortgage on the stadium. Why take a %age of what they're owed when they can keep us breathing and get a %age every year.

 

It might even be that the bank wanted Dyer contracted to make the then wataway player a saleable asset. A good loan spell might even get us a fee for his registration as well as loan fee and wages out of the picture.

 

Or it might even be that getting him off the premises means we can afford a few appearance fees for some of the big earners.

 

Dunno, all speculation from me of course (until my euro-millions win tonight buys me a place on the board - and loses me a lot fo friends on here no doubt)

 

I was wondering that too. If I win tonight and buy the club I still wouldnt be able to throw enough money at the club to get us where we want (due to the wife not letting me spend the lot) so would I be deemed as a saviour or another wannabe like we have had for the last decade?

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At one time he deseved to go to prison..My own opinion, even for a short time.

Given second chance and still a possible transfer fee on the horizon, therefore

contract that shows if he did play well any interested party would give a good fee for the bank.

Failing that there was always the hope that his potential may have been realised for our team benefit.. For me he has always flattered to deceive..

Roughly how the wife describes my anual performance on my birthday. She has just renewed my contract and taken me on for another year which goes to show senior management make some strange decisions regarding contracts.

 

A one year rolling marriage contract, I'd patent that idea OSM before it catches on.O:)O:)

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Ladysaint

 

I have only watched him a couple of times and IMO not yet. Oscar to me is more a central midfielder - breaking up play and getting us going forward.

To throw him in now would be a big mistake as we have too many kids in now and one more could see them all ruined for good confidence wise.

I would stick with Jake who I think is better than Dyer anyway - just needs experience and his end product is far better than Dyer 'the headless chicken'.

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Ladysaint

 

I have only watched him a couple of times and IMO not yet. Oscar to me is more a central midfielder - breaking up play and getting us going forward.

To throw him in now would be a big mistake as we have too many kids in now and one more could see them all ruined for good confidence wise.

I would stick with Jake who I think is better than Dyer anyway - just needs experience and his end product is far better than Dyer 'the headless chicken'.

 

Can Jake play the 1-2 pass?

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ottery st mary

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Oscar Gobern impressed pre season is he ready to step up yet, where's Navyred when you need him.

 

Very good prospect who then got injured at a bad time. I believe now recovered/recovering nothing serious and I am sure will push for first team squad sooner than later.

Maybe him and Thomson will show Dyer will be no loss.

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Wilde and Lowe out! What was the point of the new contract? If he can't get into this Saints side, the worst in living memory and certainly post-WW2, his wages don't justify a £200k or so transfer fee. That money could have been used elsewhere, not to mention the waste on Forecast as well.

 

I've thought about this long and hard but I don't think I can go to SMS any more whilst Askham, Lowe and Wilde have a stake in SFC. I'm sorry if there's been any criticism from me in any way of those that have boycotted so far but I just feel that administration would even be a better option than these clowns and I never thought I'd say that. I won't support or watch anyone else but I just don't enjoy going to SMS anymore and the instability and infighting behind the scenes has got too much at last. I have enough of that at work! I think that a sub-10,000 gate for the Norwich gate would send a clear message to Wilde and co. that they need to go.

 

I feel for you.....:rolleyes:

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Wilde and Lowe out! What was the point of the new contract? If he can't get into this Saints side, the worst in living memory and certainly post-WW2, his wages don't justify a £200k or so transfer fee. That money could have been used elsewhere, not to mention the waste on Forecast as well.

 

I've thought about this long and hard but I don't think I can go to SMS any more whilst Askham, Lowe and Wilde have a stake in SFC. I'm sorry if there's been any criticism from me in any way of those that have boycotted so far but I just feel that administration would even be a better option than these clowns and I never thought I'd say that. I won't support or watch anyone else but I just don't enjoy going to SMS anymore and the instability and infighting behind the scenes has got too much at last. I have enough of that at work! I think that a sub-10,000 gate for the Norwich gate would send a clear message to Wilde and co. that they need to go.

 

I think it is clear enough already, but the facts remain that short of asking a random stranger walking by in the supermarket, nobody is wanting to do the job.

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Here's an idea. Why don't we actually start managing our players? If a player has an attitude problem, work with them to improve it.

 

That's what a decent manager would do. Even Burley managed to get Dyer playing well last season, he was our best player before he got injured.

 

Saints seem far too keen to offload players rather than putting some effort into gettiing the best from them.

 

There were stories when Jan came here that he wasn't good at dealing with egos, hence why he played lots of kids. Now it seems that he can't even get the respect of young players who have barely achieved anything in the game.

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Let's face it, with Holmes injured, Lallana is wasted on the wing, DMG/Dyer/BWP really don't cut it as wingers and our formation is not suited to the players we have.

So IF this is one out one in before the window shuts then that's great.

I would expect Dyer gone, cheaper replacement but better suited to the gaos in the squad and maybe we could play Skacel IF he wants to play footie ever again or is he retired and just doing a world cruise?

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I think it is clear enough already, but the facts remain that short of asking a random stranger walking by in the supermarket, nobody is wanting to do the job.

 

Agreed JFP but whilst the "amigos" hold out for some mythical share price which no-one is going to pay for a bankrupt club, we remain in limbo and the club slowly dies as the board haven't got the (or any) clout to get the club some oxygen. I just feel that the club needs to hit the crunch point sooner rather than later and something has to give. Clearly, the vast majority of supporters do not have any confidence in the board and judging by the appointment of JP, the wasted money on Forecast and the closing of the Itchen corner (I could understand the other 3), we are right. Not that Crouch was much better and would also have had to cut costs but there doesn't seem to be a strategy (the youth strategy is a short-term fix despite the PR ********, the academy will be slashed in size later in the season) and I just have a feeling if we lose @ Donny that Rupert's axe will come out again.

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Not a bad thing IMO he doesnt want to be here and hasnt really showed any form of late, rather see an academy player be given a chance.

 

Ladysaint, IMHO I think it would not be a good move for Nathan and he should stay at Saints and really give it a go - he is an outstanding player and could be a big success here. If he does go then Jake Thomson is his natural successor - Jake when committed 100% to a game is brilliant and a match winner.

 

Disappointed that we are not talking about defenders coming in, that is where we are lacking. We still have young Hatch to make his debut and I am sure he will be a success.

 

Up front I was very happy to see young Paterson on the bench at Rotherham - if we do go 2 up front at any time I would have no hesitation of throwing him on - he will score goals for Saints.

 

Young Whitey I think took a battering after his first couple of games - but I am convinced that he will be a future star.

 

With Fish now nailing down left back, Olllie getting his chance, and Paterson, Thomson, Hatch and White just about there, our Academy players are really coming through. It is going to be a very difficult time for them but I keep my fingers crossed that they will all rise to the challenge over the coming months.

 

Truthfully I have not posted much recently as I have watched the scathing debates on this site from afar, and feel that anyone posting a 'positive' article is looked down up!

 

COYR

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get rid of the ***** his attitude isnt right , but not on loan!!! how do we benefit from that apart from not paying his wages, just sell the baastard in january

 

I think we benefit because not only are we not paying his wages but that he is in the shop window and if he plays for a new contract the team he is loaned out to or indeed another may bid for him. Sitting in our reserves will not get that happening!!

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Here's an idea. Why don't we actually start managing our players? If a player has an attitude problem, work with them to improve it.

 

That's what a decent manager would do. Even Burley managed to get Dyer playing well last season, he was our best player before he got injured.

 

Saints seem far too keen to offload players rather than putting some effort into gettiing the best from them.

 

There were stories when Jan came here that he wasn't good at dealing with egos, hence why he played lots of kids. Now it seems that he can't even get the respect of young players who have barely achieved anything in the game.

 

Agreed, it always used to be our strength and how we could succeed where bigger clubs failed - by getting the best of what we had and shrewd dealings in talented players that had gone slightly sour. How else could we have survived at the Dell on 15k gates for the best part of a decade? Poor manager, poor chairman, poor board.

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I've read thread after thread on here of people criticising Dyer for his poor play and worse attitude. Yet now we're apparently thinking of loaning him out this is a bad thing? Honestly, he has been poor for us this season and if going out on loan either makes him a better player when he comes back or gets his wages off our books then I'm all for it. It could allow us to get a more useful player in on loan to strengthen the defence or provide another attacking option.

 

We gave him a new contract so that either he shaped up and played as well for us as he's shown he's capable of or so that we could get a fee for him when he moves on. This is not difficult to understand.

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Agreed JFP but whilst the "amigos" hold out for some mythical share price which no-one is going to pay for a bankrupt club, we remain in limbo and the club slowly dies as the board haven't got the (or any) clout to get the club some oxygen. I just feel that the club needs to hit the crunch point sooner rather than later and something has to give. Clearly, the vast majority of supporters do not have any confidence in the board and judging by the appointment of JP, the wasted money on Forecast and the closing of the Itchen corner (I could understand the other 3), we are right. Not that Crouch was much better and would also have had to cut costs but there doesn't seem to be a strategy (the youth strategy is a short-term fix despite the PR ********, the academy will be slashed in size later in the season) and I just have a feeling if we lose @ Donny that Rupert's axe will come out again.

 

I suppose he is just acting in exactly the same way any of us would if we were skint and hanging on to our houses. If and when he lets go it will be the very last thing he does and not before he exhausts all avenues. If you missed a payment on your mortgage you wouldn't just hand your keys over to the building society. The thing none of us really know is just how far from having to do that, he really is.

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I've read thread after thread on here of people criticising Dyer for his poor play and worse attitude. Yet now we're apparently thinking of loaning him out this is a bad thing? Honestly, he has been poor for us this season and if going out on loan either makes him a better player when he comes back or gets his wages off our books then I'm all for it. It could allow us to get a more useful player in on loan to strengthen the defence or provide another attacking option.

 

We gave him a new contract so that either he shaped up and played as well for us as he's shown he's capable of or so that we could get a fee for him when he moves on. This is not difficult to understand.

 

Agreed. Remember how much he grew in stature after going out on loan to Burnley? Hopefully the same will happen here...

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